GLENNApril 04, 2017

We Have More Important Issues Than Who Dines With Mike Pence

The debate over Mike Pence and his personal policy of not eating dinner alone with a member of the opposite sex has created quite a stir in America.

"Because, you know, we don't have anything important going on, right? I mean, this is the most important thing we could argue about," Glenn scoffed on radio.

It turns out Mike Pence didn't create the policy. Billy Graham did --- back in the 1940s. The renowned evangelist followed the same standard in his own life and ministry as part of a four-pronged moral approach to uphold the highest standard of Biblical morality and integrity.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: All right. The debate over Mike Pence and his personal policy of not eating dinner alone with a member of the opposite sex has created quite a stir in America because, you know, we don't have anything important going on, right? I mean, this is the most important thing we could argue about. Let's keep things into perspective. The thing we have to argue about is Mike Pence.

Mike Pence is not the guy who created the policy. It was crafted back in the 1940s. And it's known as the Billy Graham rule. Named after Billy Graham, the evangelist who followed the same standard in his own life and ministry. Graham is said to have drafted the rule in 1948, as part of a four-pronged moral approach to ministry. It was important to uphold the highest standard of Biblical morality and integrity, according to Billy Graham in 1948. The rules of the Billy Graham rule in his book Just As I Am.

We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise and suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet, or eat alone with any woman other than my wife.

Let's just start on that one. Why is that one so bad? Listen to this.

What did he say? We all know of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel.

STU: So trying to take a step to solve that problem.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Not only that, wanting to -- we pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise or suspicion.

We all know that because of what happened in the '80s and '90s with Jim Baker and all of that stuff, that evangelists started to look like scumbags. All of them were dirtbags. Back in the '90s, it felt like every single guy who was a priest or a pastor was a dirtbag.

STU: Yeah, the documentary Fletch really covered that thing pretty well.

GLENN: No, that's not really a documentary.

So what is he doing? Now, he's saying this in 1948, when apparently they were having problems with it too. And he said, let's just to avoid all appearance.

Well, that's to restore the honor and integrity of the people of the cloth. Is there anything wrong with that?

STU: I mean, I can tell you obviously the left has lots of problems with this.

GLENN: Of course they do.

STU: And, you know, you can make an argument. Right? And his standard is actually tougher than the Pence standard. Because it was not even meet or eat. The Graham standard was not even meet.

GLENN: Yeah, meet or eat alone with any woman other than my wife.

STU: Uh-huh. I mean, that's even more strict than what Pence was saying.

PAT: And there's this snarky about how insulting that is -- an insulting view of men and a limiting role for women. We're either there to entice or domesticate. That's not the point.

GLENN: No, it's the appearance.

PAT: It's to avoid the appearance. Avoid the temptation. Avoid any of those things.

GLENN: And it's also to avoid the situation that someone can say something happened in a meeting that didn't happen.

PAT: Right. Right.

STU: Yeah, there's certainly an understandable thing to protect yourself from. We've seen obviously many high profile people have been in situations where they've been accused of things, which they say. I mean, who knows what the truth is? But they say they didn't do. Certainly some of those stories are true.

GLENN: Take it this way.

Did Roger Ailes go after these women at Fox?

PAT: I don't know.

STU: We don't know. It seems --

GLENN: Well, it seems what?

STU: We don't know. There's a lot of people accusing him of doing that. And the company made him millions and millions of dollars.

GLENN: Okay. Next level. Is there a possible that he did do some of these and he didn't do others?

STU: Yes. Of course.

GLENN: So if he had this standard, would that have happened?

PAT: No, because he wouldn't have been alone with them.

STU: I mean, it could have happened. But there would have been less evidence. Less people would have probably believed it. You know, we have no idea. Like I have no personal knowledge of him ever having a personal meeting with either one of these women.

GLENN: No, neither do I.

STU: So they could obviously say that happened anyway. But you're right. If he was known for having a lot of these private meetings, it would be more believable in the company that these things occurred. Sure.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, I think there's a line there. First of all, with the idea of doing it for appearance's sake, which is, you know -- it's not -- that's on you.

JEFFY: Right.

STU: If you have an inaccurate belief of what's happening in my life and you decide to judge it that way, that's not on me. Now, I have to deal with the consequences if everyone believes some lie, right?

But it's not my fault -- it's not my responsibility to craft what your opinion is of me. It is not -- that is on you. If you decide to believe something that is not true for whatever reason, because you think I'm having dinner with somebody, that's really not my fault. So I can understand that being, you know, an argument. And I'm -- from the left side, I make this as a little bit of a devil's advocate point, the left is saying, look, we all know -- and this is true -- that if you're a guy and you get a chance to be alone with a boss and make your case, you have a good chance -- a chance of improving. Also, by the way, blowing your career up. Sometimes -- I mean, those meetings happen too. Where you have this nice big meeting and you come up with this great idea. And they're like, that's the dumbest idea in the world.

But that moment is important, especially as you're coming up in a company. If you're able to impress a boss in a one-on-one situation, that could be big for your career. And what women are arguing are, wait a minute. Guys can do that with you, but I can't.

PAT: You don't have to go to dinner to do that. You can do that at the office.

STU: Although that can't happen, with Billy Graham's rule. You wouldn't be able to do it at the office.

JEFFY: Yeah.

STU: But Pence's rule, he did just say it was dinner. However, business gets done in this country over dinner and drinks all the time. That's very common. So if the guy can go out with you -- now, it's one thing if you say, I'm never meeting with anyone one on one. But if you say, I'm going to meet with guys one on one, and I'm not going to meet with women one on one.

GLENN: No, I think that's wrong.

STU: They can say --

GLENN: Yeah, I think you can't say, as a -- as a boss, "Hey, you know what, Phil, we've got some work to do. Let's just go grab a beer. Let's do this after dinner." And not do that with women. I don't think -- I think that sets an unfair balance because there is bonding. Hey, you know what, let's just go play a round of golf. Just the two of us. Let's play a round of golf.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: If you won't play golf with everybody, then you shouldn't play golf with anyone.

STU: That's interesting. Because I don't think that's the -- I don't think that's the Pence standard or what most people were defending the Pence standard were arguing.

GLENN: But I can see how that's perceived as unfair.

JEFFY: Right.

GLENN: Look, you're going to go out and bond with somebody.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And you're not giving me the chance to bond with you. And when it comes to executive level positions, it really is about who you can bond with and who you can trust.

Now, I don't need to play a round of golf. I don't need to have a private dinner with somebody.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: I mean, is there a guy that you know of that has hired more women as executives than me?

STU: No. Many. And you obviously have met with all of them.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: At one time or another. Especially when you're hiring someone to a big position that you trust, you want to have a one-on-one conversation to get to know them.

But, for instance, I would never travel -- for instance, my assistant, Misheal, I wouldn't travel alone with Misheal, just the two of us going out for -- hey, I got to go to San Francisco. Misheal, just the two of us go --

STU: Right.

PAT: Nor would you invite a woman out to dinner, just the two of you? I can't imagine that. Would you do that?

GLENN: No. Well, I don't do that with anybody anyway because my wife is --

PAT: Yeah. There's nothing wrong with taking your wife on this trip with you, with another woman, and giving her a promotion then.

STU: But you're saying to the woman, we have to have a chaperone. I can't have a moment with you.

You know, there are moments in one on one where -- yes, there are moments where one on one also creates sex, which is obviously the point here.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: However, there are a lot of moments where one on one might create a real trust in a business relationship. And the fact that you have somebody else at the dinner --

PAT: You can do that at the office. You can always do that at the office. You don't have to do that at dinner. I would never do it. I wouldn't do it.

GLENN: I started watching a movie. We have Mark Duplass on today, who is great. He's an independent filmmaker. But he also --

STU: You'd probably know him from The League, if you ever watch The League on FX. He's like the main character on that show.

GLENN: Okay. So he's brilliant. He did a movie called Blue Jay. Now, he's just done a three-movie deal with Netflix, where I don't even think they asked him -- I don't even think they asked him for the movies. They're just like, here's money. Go make three movies.

He's really brilliant. Watched his movie Blue Jay, started watching it last night. And it's brilliant. Really brilliant. And it's about two people that were teenage, you know, love story. And have just loved each other -- they're in their '40s now and they still love each other. But hadn't seen each other for 25 years. And there's some tension between them. Something happened. And that's what broke them up. And so it chronicles their 24 hours together of meeting again. And the whole time you're thinking, "Okay. All right. She's married. He's not. This isn't good." You want to come back to the house? You're thinking, don't do that.

And she is really, really strong. She's like -- he tries to kiss her. And she says no. Blah, blah. And it's really -- it's -- but at the end, because there is something between them, they do -- they do start to fool around. Now, she stops, but they do start to fool around. Who couldn't see that coming?

Now, I'm not saying that every man and woman have that attraction to each other. I mean, ladies, I know --

STU: Obviously. With you, they do.

GLENN: With me, they do. It's not a question.

STU: Your physique. There's so many different reasons.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. The abs.

STU: The abs -- even if they don't see your face, they're going to see your abs.

GLENN: Seriously, you can see my abs through my shirt. And I don't mean to --

STU: No. You don't mean to do that. It just happens.

GLENN: It's just, they're so big, they're pushing out and kind of stretching the buttons. Anyway --

STU: Yes, it's weird. That's -- I didn't know that was an ab. But it's one ab.

GLENN: I have one ab. I have one big ab.

STU: Yeah, one giant ab. That's interesting.

GLENN: And a bellybutton in the middle of it.

So, you know, not everybody has that. But that is part of life. That there is the attraction.

STU: Of course. Of course.

GLENN: Especially when you're going down the same path. You're on the same kind of career course. You know, et cetera, et cetera. That stuff does happen.

STU: And you should obviously be careful with that.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: Especially with a person in that area. But, I mean, like having dinner with some business associate one on one, you know, talking about an important business deal, I mean, that should -- like, I -- just you guys. I mean, you guys are not doing it.

And I think the criticism of this idea is ridiculous. Right? It's a typical stupid, blown-up in the media left-wing story. So I'm not giving it any credence. But if you went out with a female executive for dinner, nothing is going to happen. Because you don't want it to happen. It's about you making the choice and her making the choice, whoever she is.

Right. She's disgusted. So she's out. But even if you wanted to be in, you would still stop yourself because that's what your gig is.

GLENN: Right. Right.

STU: You take your marriage seriously.

GLENN: If somehow or another she fell and her eyes started to see something that looked appetizing in me, she still would be out.

STU: Right. But that's on you.

GLENN: But -- yeah. But here's the thing. The appearance. The appearance.

STU: But that's on me. You're doing it for other eyes.

GLENN: No, it's on society.

STU: Now, you as a celebrity, I understand that. Right? Because people might take pictures of you. Who is this person Glenn Beck is with? I get that at some level. But for the average person, I don't think --

GLENN: No. Wait. I take this back to -- because this is not just about women. I take this back to drinks. I'm an alcoholic. I never go to a cocktail party and ask for a glass of water. I ask for a bottle of water. If they don't have a bottle of water, I won't have water. I don't want a glass with ice in it and clear liquid. I want a bottle of water.

Now, what's the problem with that

STU: There's no problem with that. However, two things. A, you are a celebrity. And if someone saw you with a clear glass of liquid, they might accuse you. And probably would. You would be on Breitbart in about ten minutes.

JEFFY: Oh, in a heartbeat.

GLENN: Tell me the difference between a celebrity -- where someone is going to take a picture of me and put it out there and blah, blah, and me as just an average Joe.

STU: Because nobody cares.

GLENN: Who is -- no, that's not true. You've never been around gossipy people in church. You've never been around gossipy people in the office.

STU: The ramifications are a completely different scale. You know, people --

GLENN: But so is your life on a different scale. It's still your life.

STU: Yes. What was it? A million retweets when someone saw you in a scarf.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah.

STU: Woke Glenn Beck. And all of a sudden, you were like then number one trending thing on Twitter because you wore a stupid scarf one day or an ascot. Whatever the heck it was.

GLENN: It wasn't an ascot.

STU: I only say ascot because I know you hate it.

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Former U.S. Army Special Forces Sniper Tim Kennedy joins Glenn to warn that “real instability” is coming across many parts of the world, including the Middle East, Haiti, Congo, and other parts of Africa. And one of the main signs of this is “the killing of Christians” at high levels in those regions. With a civil war brewing in Afghanistan, “genocide” level attacks in regions of Africa, and more trouble on the horizon, predictive models have found that things could very likely boil over soon. But Kennedy details how the Trump administration, especially Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, and Pam Bondi, are working overtime to “get ahead of what we know is coming” and keep Americans safe.

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GLENN: We're talking to Tim Kennedy. Talking to the president about the border, and what's going on with the border this week. And I said, you know, if I were, you know, a Mexican citizen. And knowing that my government was in bed with the cartels. I would be hoping that some special forces just showed up in the middle of the night. And started killing people. In these cartels. And I said, well, that would be news breaking if I said that was a good idea.

You know, I hope it doesn't come to that. It was clear, that that is on the table. I mean, that really has to happen. Does it not?

I mean, that is a collapsed narco state in Mexico. Isn't it?

MATT: Yeah, we -- the rules of war that we'll be experiencing for the next five to ten years are not the traditional maneuver warfare that people remember from Korea and from Vietnam, and from even -- you know, we know who our enemy is. These are going to be businesses.

These are syndicated criminal organizations, that do not fight fair, and the cartel owns both the businesses, the corporations, and the criminal networks that are involved in that.

So, yes. It's absolutely on the table. And a group of people that are sitting on like the go button, are absolute savages, Mr. Beck.

GLENN: They are. I know some of them. I know some of them.

And they're just like -- and they're just -- they're just champing at the bit to go, I know. I know.

TIM: That's the truth.

We're in conversation with the cartels right now. And the cartels are saying, hey, we don't want to die. We don't want to be wiped off the face of the planet, which we know is not going to happen. So, you know, are there other options. Hey, what if we stopped human trafficking?

What if we stopped fentanyl production entirely?

What if -- what if all of that just goes away. What if we stop and seal the border on the south side. What are you -- will we maybe be allowed to transport some cocaine and some marijuana?

I'm totally fine with this. If we stop fentanyl. Human trafficking. Gun smuggling. And we stop the invasion of our border, I'll -- and we don't have to do a while bunch of killing.

You know, whatever.

But they know they're on the brink of --

GLENN: I hope they do.

TIM: Of existence.

GLENN: I hope they do.

You know, when you look at what's happening here.

And what they're bringing over here.

I mean, it has to stop, dead in its tracks.

It has to stop.

And it has to stop soon. The president is dealing with these courts. Which I just think is judicial insurrection as Mike Lee puts it. And it has to stop.

The president has to protect our borders, and has to protect our cities. This is -- you know, this is the opium wars, done to China by the English.

You know, 200 years ago. 150 years ago. And now they're doing it to us.

That's what -- that's what is happening.

TIM: Yeah.

GLENN: Tell me about the Christians and genocide, that you believe is on the horizon.

TIM: Just yesterday.

Back at the White House yesterday.

Listening to some brief about -- there's some brilliant companies that are able to do predictive modeling.

Using literally every public and classified source of information.

And there's these events that are pretty predictable.

You know, they predicted what would happen in Afghanistan. Predicted what would happen in Ukraine.

They see regionally that on the very near horizon, as soon as like late summer.

We are going to see real instability throughout CENTCOM and the Endo-Pacific region.
And some of those things -- some of the catalysts that are -- the data points are what are the killing of Christians.

And it's happening all over CENTCOM.

And --

GLENN: Explain CENTCOM. Explain CENTCOM for anybody who doesn't what CENTCOM means. Explain that.

TIM: Just imagine the Middle East starting kind of in north Africa.

And western Asia. And everything that has lots of deserts. And lots of Muslim countries -- just -- by coincidence, there's also Israel. That's in CENTCOM.

One of the few non-Muslim democracies, in that whole entire region.

Ask, you know, the Houthis and Hamas. And Hezbollah.

And then in former countries, like in Syria and Iraq, Afghanistan, those places, it's just a massacre of Christians, right now.

GLENN: So let me take a one-minute break.

Come back, because I want to talk to you more about that. Because you've been involved. We've been with you with Mercury One, and trying to help. And I know what we're gearing up for.

And I want to see if there's anything that you need and you would recommend, besides told prayers for Christians.

And I want to go deeper into what this predictive model is showing in just a second.

First, let me tell you about Preborn.

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What would you say?

If a scared young woman looked you in the eye and said, I don't think I could do this.

I'm alone. I don't know if it's really a baby yet.

What would you do?

Would you yell at her? Would you say, you can't do that! You'll go to hell.

Or would you tell her, you're strong enough. You are. Show her pictures of your kids maybe. Talk about miracles?

Talk about God? Talk about anything?

Anything. We're here for you. Would you just wait.

None of us would show her pictures of an aborted baby. None of us would yell at her.

Okay? The truth is, we'll never be in that room. Most of us. But Preborn will not be in that room. They don't argue or shame.

They do something really simple. It turns out, it's very persuasive. Just offer her a free ultrasound. And when she hears that tiny heartbeat. When she sees the image on the screen, everything changes. More than half the time the mom chooses life, the rest of the time, she's like, I -- I just -- I'm alone. I can't afford.

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GLENN: So, Tim, maybe we'll have you on -- we're doing a big benefit for the Nazarene Fund.

This fall.

I don't even have details on it. I just heard about it yesterday.

What that is, we go and rescue Christians. Or we pay and help people like you, go rescue Christians.

We just empower people like you, to help.

I would love to invite to that. When we get closer, I will.

Tell me about this predictive model. Why is it saying that it's going to get so bad? What's coming our way?

TIM: Yeah.

The Nazarene Fund, and Mercury One, just for -- love you guys.

I don't -- you know, we publicly can't say a lot of the things that we do at save our allies.

But none of it is possible without you, quite frankly.

Like if you look at me, and our team in Afghanistan. Or in Ukraine. Providing humanitarian aid. And pulling people out of the war zones.

Although to the Far East, as far as I possibly can get in far Russia.

Every place that we have been, has been because of you, quite frankly. Mr. Beck.

GLENN: Please. Stop calling me Mr. Beck.

Give credit. This audience is so gracious. They are so gracious.

TIM: Yeah. They just have an understanding.

Samaritan purse. Mercury One. Nazarene Fund.

We see you guys every single place, in the worst, most dire condition. So, you know, Glenn, thank you so much.

To your question, you know, we are -- if you just look in the past month, you know, you can look to Syria. You can look to the -- next to our bill.

You can look to the Congo.

Where you see thousands of Christians being killed.

You see Muslim converts, that were being specifically targeted. Down in Congo just last week.
Another 29 Christians were killed. In 2025, in like the region in Syria. There was like this region of violence. Another thousand were killed.

And so if you take -- if we're going to look for similar areas in the region, and try to predict the instability of a particular administration or government.

There's a whole bunch of -- and we can take historical data from the past 50 years. And start looking at, okay.

Economically, what is happening for instability?

What is happening culturally?

What is happening on -- in the markets?

What's happening in like -- really clear data points. And we have this bell curve of what's normal. And then you have these outliers that are -- that then keep occurring, every time there's a coup. Or every time there's genocide.

Or every time -- and there's enough data now, where we -- especially with AI. And we can scrape all of history.

We can then very accurately start, you know -- all the special operations side. I'm trying to find somebody in space and time.

It's -- that's -- used to be a difficult thing, to predict where a human is going to be.

So I could maybe bring them to justice, and if we look at the first 95 days of the president in office, and our intelligence community specifically, that told them they're going to work. With, you know, Kash Patel, enabling them. Pam Bondi.
45 Americans that have been illegally detained abroad brought home.

You know, we're knocking on the door of 100 radical terrorists, want to do harm to Americans. Dead.

And we are trying to get ahead of what we know is coming. Which is, complete near Civil War in Afghanistan.

Trying to get stability in Congo -- obviously, we see what's happening in Haiti.

And every time one of these places starts becoming less secure and stable, that is the breeding ground for radical adversarial groups, that are funded by our adversaries, like and mine Iran.

To then conduct attacks on Americans.

But they're not doing it direct.

It's like via proxy.

But Haiti, if we don't pay attention to it, China will use it.

Congo will --

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

TIM: And it just keeps happening.

GLENN: Tim, I can't thank you enough for what you do. You're really a remarkable man. It was such an honor to see you at the White House.

And as usual, see you at the White House and you're serving. Serving veterans.

So thank you for everything, Tim.

God bless you.

TIM: Yeah, you're amazing. Always in your corner. Let me know what you need.

GLENN: You've got it. Thank you, Tim Kennedy. US Army Special Forces. He's a sniper. Former UFC fighter, and really a servant to our vets.

Next year, it's going to be a tough year. All the way around us the world.

It's going to be very tough. What he's saying, is coming.

I -- you know, people say, I think Donald Trump will say for a reason, to save the republic. I'm not sure, that we understand God's mind.

It may have just been to postpone and give us more time to prepare. I'm not sure.

I hope we save the republic. But it might be time to prepare. Because things are very, very dicey in the world, and we just need to be prayerful.

Thoughtful. Jesus-like people.

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A Wisconsin judge allegedly blocked federal agents from arresting an illegal in her own courtroom. Another judge in New Mexico allegedly brought an illegal alien gang member into his home. This isn’t justice, Glenn says. It’s judicial insurrection, as Senator Mike Lee said. And if they truly broke the law, Glenn believes these judges need to go to jail. But no matter how angry we get, he warns, we cannot abandon the Constitution. If we toss it aside, we become what we’re fighting against, and then it’s all gone.

Transcript

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STU: There is a new development in the -- we were talking a little bit off the air recently about the courts and what the president needs to do, because there's a real battle going on with the courts.

And --

GLENN: I have an open letter, I will publish for a little while for the president. It's time he takes actions against the court.

You know, constitutional actions against the court. He needs to stop this.

STU: Yeah. Some people are saying now, there's a constitutional crisis. Based on. No, I'm serious.

The left is saying -- Mike Lee is saying this too.

STU: Both sides are saying.

GLENN: They're saying the opposite directions. Mike Lee is saying, this is judicial insurrection. Mike Lee does not use that language.

If you know Mike Lee, he's like, well, I don't know.

That could be a little harsh.

You said the guy was a wiener.

I know. And I regret that.

You know, he doesn't use that kind of language. For him to say, judicial insurrection. Is big.

STU: Yeah. It is. And he knows the courts. He knows the story really well.

The story is today.

This is coming sort of from Kash Patel.

Put an asterisk on that.

It says, federal agents on Friday, arrested a judge in Wisconsin on obstruction charges after she allegedly helped an undocumented immigrant evade arrest. That's according to Kash Patel sort of.

And the reason I say sort of is because Patel made the announcement in an ex-post, which was then quickly deleted. So it's a little bit murky here.

But the FBI did not immediately respond to request to CNBC for comment on why the Post was removed. Patel wrote that the FBI believes that Milwaukee Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan was intentionally misdirecting federal agents away from Eduardo Flores Ruiz as agents were attempting to arrest him at her courthouse next week.

Thankfully her agents chased down the perp on foot. He's been in custody since, but the judge's obstruction created increased danger to the public Patel said in the post.

GLENN: She needs to be arrested. She needs to be arrested, just like everybody else.

You know, did you see that the New Mexico judge and his wife, arrested? Did you hear about this?

These guys. A judge and his wife. They see at Home Depot or something.

Some guy who is looking for a job. And they say, hey. You're great.

Why don't you come over and help us work at our Royce.

They put him up. He's an illegal gang member.

I think he's MS-13.

And they know it. And he's leaving at the house.

No. Nothing is going on here. Well, turn over the gang member. What gang member. What are you talking about?

These guys are going to jail. They should. That's a judge and his wife harboring a fugitive. They should go to jail

STU: Yeah. You're not supposed to do this. And judges, my understanding on it, and the left has told me over and over again, that no one is above the law. I understand the judges would fit into that. They deserve to be prosecuted.

GLENN: Right. And that's the thing.

You know, people say, they will throw -- no. I don't want people thrown in jail. Just to throw in jail. I want justice to be served.

I want them to have fair representation.

I want the truth mattering.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: You know, I want the truth told. You have to provide, you know, witnesses and evidence.

But if you're founds guilty by a jury of your peers. Not one of your cozy buddy judges. Yeah, you go to jail! Period.

I'm so sick and tired of us having to do everything, and we'll go to jail. I'm sick of tired of paying my taxes.

I really am. I'm sick and tired of paying my taxes.

I pay my taxes. I live within the rules.

I don't cheat.

I don't steal. I don't do any of that stuff.

And neither does probably 99.9 percent of everybody listening.

I'm sure there's a Democrat in here someplace. Everybody who is listening, you play by the rules, every day! Every day you play by the rules. You pay your student loan.

You didn't go to college. I didn't go to college. Because I couldn't afford to go to college. Okay?

I knew I was raised at a time where you had to earn it. You didn't take out loans.

You weren't going to repay. You earned it. You worked hard.

So I went one semester.

One semester. That's all I could afford.
I couldn't afford any more.

I stopped going. Okay?

I pay my bills. I play by the rules.

And everybody else who doesn't -- did you see that Stacey Abrams is actually thinking about running for governor again?

STU: Yes.

GLENN: She just got $2 billion, given by the -- by the Biden administration of our tax dollars. To her little sham of an operation.

He doesn't know she see.

I don't know what it was supposed to do.

You can't tell me that something that raised, what $100? $100,000?

STU: It was $100. Maybe 200. But it was nowhere near 100,000.

GLENN: Yeah. Okay. Let's just be kind.

Let's say, raise ten thousand dollars. I think it was in the hundreds. $10,000, on her own. Then all of a sudden, gets a grant from the government of $2 billion?

STU: Happens all the time.

GLENN: All the time.

I would be walked out of this building in handcuffs. If that would have happened in Mercury One.

And I should be. If that happened, everybody who was involved with it should go to jail.

She's thinking about running again. I'm sick of it. I'm just sick of it.

STU: Do you think, now, take what you just said. That frustration. I'm sick of it.

The taxes. Nothing is ever fair. Et cetera, et cetera.

GLENN: Life is not fair. I'm not looking for fair.

STU: I'm summarizing.

GLENN: Yeah. Get off my back.

STU: You know what I'm saying. My point is not to attack you on that point. It's the point that tons of people are feeling. Probably also on the left. But definitely on the right. Are you concerned at all, about the outcome of that feeling?

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Yes!

STU: Well, I agree that you should do what you can in the Constitution.

Within the Constitution. To -- to hold people responsible for their actions. Totally agree there.

And I feel like we all agree on that. There is, I believe, a little bit of an appetite brewing.

Which is more like, screw what the Constitution says. We need to -- and if we keep looking at the Constitution. We will continue to lose. We've tried that before.

Blah, blah, blah. Can you just abandon the Constitution?

GLENN: No, you cannot.

You cannot. We must not.

We will become everything we despise.

We will become petty little dictators.

We will become a -- a horrid nightmare of a nation, if we abandon the Constitution.

I can't tell you how many times, I and the president used the word Constitution in our conversations this week.

So what are the Constitutional remedies, Mr. President?

What can you do constitutionally?

The minute you get off the Constitution, it's over!

It's over.

We cannot -- we lose everything, if we get off the Constitution.

And anybody who says. Well, we'll just get off -- you never go back. You never go back.

You know how you give -- you give the government a little bit of leeway. Yeah. I will give them a little bit of power.

And they never get them back. They just keep hogging more and more. They never give it back. Well, this time, we won't use the Constitution. You never get it back. Never. And we will not be part of that -- and this is the really scary thing. People feel they have done their job.

70 percent of the American people agree with Donald Trump on the deporting of -- of illegals.

70 percent. What happens, you're seeing this in Europe.

What happens when the elites force their way down the throats of the people, and say, no!

In this republic, 70 percent are saying, send them home!

Send them home now. And the left, which is just cratering in popularity. You have the left cratering. You have the elite media making this whole thing.

What? Whose story are they telling? The Deep State?

The deep, deep left?

The anti-American people?

The what? MS-13?

Whose side are you on right now?

And when 70 percent of the American people feel they've done the right thing, they've played by the rules. They went to the polls. They expressed their point of view.

They went and they'll talk to a stupid pollster now, and still say, I'm for that.

And that number is still 70 percent.

If you don't listen to the people, you're in trouble.

And in this nation, hopefully that means that Donald Trump wins more in the midterms.

But I don't know. Bit if -- if the Republicans, the Democrats, the media, and everybody else, doesn't start listening to the people, it will end the way it always ends, and that is really bad, and I don't recommend it!

Humble yourself, and start listening to the people!

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