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Jack Barsky, former Russian spy who ran from both the FBI and KGB in the 1980s, joined Glenn in studio Thursday to discuss his new book Deep Undercover: My Secret Life and Tangled Allegiances as a KGB Spy in America. Barsky included details about his incredible life as a spy inside the United States, including what happened when he received the secret signal to return to Russia --- and why he ignored it.
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GLENN: Jack, it is a thrill to meet you. Just a thrill.
JACK: The thrill is mine.
GLENN: So you have been living in the United States, since when?
JACK: Since 1978.
GLENN: Okay. And you were an undercover -- you were sent here to the United States to pose as an American.
JACK: Correct.
GLENN: And you worked in what industry? Because you're a chemist.
JACK: Yeah, I studied chemistry. But I never used any of that. You know, I taught chemistry and math for about a year as an assistant professor in Germany. And then I signed with the KGB. And my chemistry knowledge was gone. I never used it.
GLENN: Yeah. And you came here to do, what?
JACK: Well, to pretty much help destroy the United States. It didn't quite work that way.
GLENN: Right. Yeah. And I want to come back to this. I'm so glad we have two hours. But let me jump ahead a bit to 1988. You're walking down into the subway. And you see on the handle a splash of red paint.
JACK: Yeah, there was a pre-defined signal spot that was on my way to work, which I found and described to my -- the center, where they could put a signal. And that day was a great time, December morning. You know, I'm going off to work half asleep. And there's that red dot, the size of a fist. That was a clear signal. It was a danger signal. This was the most urgent signal that I could have ever read. And that meant, get out.
GLENN: It meant they're on to you.
JACK: That meant, get out. It's an emergency. Don't ask any questions. Just go -- don't go any place else. Get your reserve documents and make a beeline to Canada. And from there, we'll take you home. That was the plan.
STU: And you have to worry that they would -- they hopefully don't unrelated paint the wall red.
GLENN: Right.
JACK: It wasn't a wall. It was one of those -- you know, an elevated subway.
STU: Oh, okay.
JACK: Supporting beams. Steel beams.
STU: Okay.
GLENN: So when you saw that, your heart --
JACK: You're good. You're actually -- you're good material for working in the field.
GLENN: Your heart -- your heart must have leapt into your throat.
JACK: You know, I -- that's a question that I get a lot. For certain situations that I was in. And actually, it never happened like that. You know, what overcame me in situations like that, similarly to when I first entered the country, certain psychological numbness. All right? I became sort of a robot. And at that point, the robot made a decision. I'm not doing it. And I went on to work.
And funny thing is nobody noticed. Nobody noticed that something was wrong with me. Neither my wife at home nor the colleagues. And it was for three months afterwards when I was like -- I had some concern that somebody might be after me. Nobody ever noticed. So it's what I call numbness. I can't explain it.
GLENN: Did the KGB then contact you and then like, dude?
JACK: Yes.
STU: I doubt they said that.
JACK: The dude thing happened. And this is one of the moments that I can relive in my memory. So I'm standing on the subway platform, very close to where the first car would come in. And there were about a couple of dozen people on the platform. It was still -- it was another morning -- early morning. And this -- this figure comes from the right in a dark coat. And pretty short guy. And he whispered so it would be audible to only me that you got to come home, or else you're dead.
That was another moment where numbness overcame me.
GLENN: What did you say?
JACK: Nothing. He walked away. That was it.
JEFFY: Oh, you didn't push him in front of the subway or --
PAT: And was the threat that they were going to kill you, the KGB? Or was --
JACK: Well, think about -- you know, this was spoken with a pretty heavy accent. So this could have easily also been sort of, you know, dead meaning that your cover is blown. Right? You know, you're dead.
So you can interpret it either way.
JEFFY: Either way.
JACK: You have to take -- I had to take seriously the real threat because even then I knew the KGB was coming after folks, after defectors.
However, I've been told by somebody who should know -- I met him about six weeks ago, Mr. Oleg Kalugin, who was the head of counterintelligence for the KGB -- he now lives in the United States. And he stated that they never did -- they never -- they never killed anybody on the United States territory.
So take it for what it is. You know, we will never know.
GLENN: I don't believe that. But do you have ever watch the TV show -- I don't want to get into this, but do you ever watch the TV show The Americans?
JACK: I do. Because, you know, I'm friends with the producers now.
JEFFY: I bet.
GLENN: Right. I was wondering, have you consulted or if you thought that was pretty --
JACK: No. You know, they should have me as a consultant because I was on the set and I found a bunch of things that were -- they're very much focused on being authentic.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
JACK: I mean, and they're going through great lengths to find the right cars, the right buses.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah. It's quite amazing.
JACK: And the decorations on the set. But I found a few things that were wrong just by...
(chuckling)
GLENN: Yeah.
JACK: But, yeah, it's -- it's a very entertaining show. But with regard to intelligence work -- they know it -- it's -- it's all nonsense.
(laughter)
STU: This is not a way to get hired, you realize that.
JACK: No, they know it. They know it. It's entertainment.
JEFFY: Yeah, it's got to be a show.
STU: Okay.
JACK: But let me tell you one thing, what they are doing really well is how they cover the psychology of being undercover.
There's a -- there was a possibility at one point that I would actually -- that they would have sent me to the US with a wife.
GLENN: Because they arranged a wife for you in Germany, right?
JACK: No, they didn't arrange it. You know, they allowed me to get married to the one that I fell in love with. They -- they screened her. And she was, quote, unquote, clean. And there was some sort of actually sending her over here with me.
GLENN: Knowingly. Her knowingly being involved?
JACK: Knowingly. Except she psychologically, she was not capable of handling that kind of pressure. So they kept us separate.
But, anyway, getting back to The Americans, this is the best part of their show is how --
GLENN: The situation.
JACK: -- how those folks deal with being in another country, becoming another person. And God forbid, now you have children.
GLENN: Right.
JACK: One of my favorite episodes is when the kid is bringing the pastor to dinner.
GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you grew up that way. As I read your book and as I know your story, you know, you grew up -- and in The Americans, they keep going back to what their life was like back in Russia.
And a couple thoughts come up on like, why wouldn't you come here and just see the plenty and go, man, I'm on the wrong side? You grew up in a time in Germany when it was being rebuilt. And the underwear that you wore for a long time was actually parachute silk, right?
JACK: Yeah, because there wasn't much of anything that could be bought. And so you had to really -- you know, you had to scramble. But, you know, when you're talking about The Americans and going back to where you came from, ideology, as it's fed to you, from childhood on, is a very, very strong foundation.
GLENN: Because that's what happened to you. Just like in The Americans.
JACK: That's exactly right.
GLENN: Your family said, Christianity is fairytale.
JACK: That's right. I mean, not the family -- the entire society, the school systems, the teachers, friends. Everybody. Christianity wasn't even mentioned. I mean, we had Christmas, and there was no Christ in Christmas.
We didn't -- you know, I opened a Bible once because I found one, and I read it from, you know, Genesis chapter one -- you know, that's not how you should read the Bible as a child.
GLENN: Right.
JACK: But the bottom line is -- so people ask me that question all the time. So when you came over here and you saw all this wealth, didn't that make you waver? Uh-uh. Not at all.
As I said, and that applies to any kind of ideology. If you're being fed a certain belief system from childhood on, it sticks with you. It's very difficult to overcome. And, as a matter of fact, I have some good friends back in Germany, with whom I reconnected. They got screwed over by East Germany, one way or another, and they're still communist. It's very difficult to shed what you're being fed.
PAT: Living here though, did you eventually gain some like sympathy to America? Did you fall in love with America?
GLENN: Yeah, when did that pivot happen with you? Why did you decided -- when you saw that red dot -- I'm not leaving?
JACK: Well, that was not because of the country. That was because of Chelsea my daughter, who is now 29 years old. She was 18 at the time.
And that was for the first time -- you know, I don't want to go back. My book is actually, if I want -- if I have to describe it in very few words, it's a love story.
GLENN: Uh-huh.
JACK: It's about love denied. It's about not being able to love the right way.
GLENN: Yeah. Having two families and being torn apart. You had one in Germany and one here.
JACK: Right. But in this situation, this was the first time that I felt the pull of unconditional love. And as you -- I bet you guys know that, that is stronger than anything else.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
JACK: And so, you know, it sounds like -- trite: Love conquers all. But this one did.
GLENN: In The Americans, you see that -- what's it called? Control. Not control. What's the --
JACK: Oh, the center?
GLENN: The center.
JACK: Control.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah, no. That's Get Smart.
(laughter)
PAT: Which is really accurate.
GLENN: Right.
PAT: Unlike The Americans. Get Smart was totally accurate.
GLENN: Right. Right. The center starts to get concerned because of the kids.
JACK: Yeah.
GLENN: They know that now that the kids -- the kids are becoming American. And it's not easy to rip them back to Russia. And they're starting to think and know that that could change the agents.
JACK: But there's also this other train of thought, which was actually real, not as far as I'm concerned, but I've heard folks talk about it, to, you know, create this second generation of undercover agents that are even more deeply buried, that could one day become the Manchurian candidate. Right?
GLENN: Yeah. Right.
JACK: Those dreams were dreamed by certain KGB folks.
GLENN: You think it happened?
PAT: And we had that in Barack Obama.
(laughter)
New polling reveals a shocking truth: young Americans aren’t just open to socialism... they overwhelmingly want a socialist president in 2028. Glenn Beck and Justin Haskins break down five alarming surveys showing massive ideological shifts among voters ages 18-39, including young Republicans. Why is socialism exploding in popularity, and what does this mean for the future of America? Are we on the brink of a political transformation or potentially even a national crisis?
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Texas Governor Greg Abbott joins Glenn Beck to expose why Texans are being crushed by skyrocketing property taxes — and how local governments, not the state, keep driving homeowners deeper into financial distress. Gov. Abbott breaks down his five-point plan to impose strict spending limits, force voter approval for tax hikes, reform out-of-control appraisals, empower citizens to slash taxes themselves, and eliminate school district property taxes for homeowners altogether. Glenn argues that property tax is morally wrong because it prevents Texans from ever truly owning their land, and Abbott lays out his strategy to fight both parties in the legislature to finally deliver lasting relief.
Joe Rogan recently warned that we may have gotten to Step 7 of 9 in the lead-up to civil war. Glenn reviews the 9 Steps and explains why he believes Rogan nailed this one. But Glenn also lays out what Americans MUST do to reverse this trend...
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: So if you take what Fetterman said yesterday about how people are cheering for him to die on the left, and then you couple it with something that was on the Joe Rogan show on Tuesday. He was saying that the reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk makes him think that the US is closer to Civil War than -- than he thought.
Now, let me quote him. He said, after the Charlie Kirk thing. I'm like, oh, my.
We might be at seven. This might be he step seven on the way to a bona fide Civil War. Charlie Kirk gets shot, and people are celebrating.
Like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
You want people to die that you disagree with?
Where are we now on the scale of Civil War?
Well, let me go over the scale of Civil War, because it's sobering.
Now, none of this has to be true. If we wake up and decide, I don't want to do this anymore!
Okay?
Here's step one.
Step one. Loss of civic trust.
Every civil conflict begins when people stop believing that the system is fair. Are we there?
We're so far -- we're so far past the doorway, we are comfortably asleep on the couch on this one. Gallup and Pew both show trust in Congress, the media courts, and the FBI government are now at record lows.
The Edelman Trust Barometer classifies the US now as severely polarized. Majority of Republicans distrust federal elections. Majority of Democrats don't trust the Supreme Court.
Americans are really united on one thing, and that is the other side is corrupt!
When faith in the rules collapses, the republic begins to wobble. But that's step one. Step two, polarization hardens into identity!
Political disagreement is normal!
Identity conflict is fatal!
But that's what Marxists push. Identity politics. This is when politics stopped being about policy, and started being about who you are as a person.
Have we crossed this one into step two?
I mean, we're neck deep into this. A study on this, from PRRI.
It's a survey, found 23 percent of Americans believe political violence may be necessary to save the that I guess.
I think that's an old study. Americans now sort themselves by ZIP code into ideological enclaves. The big sort: Universities, activists, corporations. Everybody is promoting oppressor versus oppressed.
And that -- does what?
It puts us into incompatible tribes. Opponents aren't wrong anymore. The opponent is dangerous!
If I go back and you look at civil wars, Lebanon, before 1975. Yugoslavia, before 1991. That's -- we're doing that. Okay?
Step three. Breakdown of the gatekeepers. The gatekeepers are kind of like the referees of society. It's the media, political parties, churches, civic leaders.
When they fail, extremism fills the vacuum. Okay. Where are we on this? Have our gatekeepers failed us?
Yeah. I think both parties, especially the left, you know, everything I predicted that the left was going to be eaten by the extreme left, and then the communists and the socialists is now happening.
They've lost control of the fringe of each party. Media transformed, you know, from referees into team coaches. Tech platforms. It's outrage for profit. Universities are not there to cool things down. They heat them up.
Churches. Churches are useless. Useless.
When the referees leave the field, the game devolves into a brawl. And the refs are gone off the field. So there are only nine steps. We're at step four. Here's step four.
Are you ready for this one?
Parallel information realities.
Civil wars don't require different opinions. They require different realities.
I remember reading about Germany, at the beginning of, you know, the Nazi era. How the two new newspapers. One was propaganda for the government.
And the other one, it was the last one that was kind of the holdout.
And they said, you could read them, and they would cover the same thing.
But they had almost no information was the same. Except, that happened yesterday.
Here's what they said. And then everything else was different. That's exactly -- I mean, step four is complete!
We can't agree on facts, right?
Crime rates. Border numbers. Inflation. Election security.
Two Americans can watch the same video. And see opposite truths.
Social media algorithms are creating customized political universes.
Digital echo chambers. Deepfakes. We're just at the beginning of that. And both sides accuse the other of running disinformation machines.
Why? Because we don't have a shared reality. So if you don't have a shared reality. How do you settle any dispute?
On the nine steps, we're up to number five. Coming in at number five.
Loss of neutral rule of law.
This out of the nine steps with, five is the pivot point.
It's not corruption, it's the belief that the law is no longer neutral.
Are we there yet?
Let me tell you the CBS you.gov poll. 67 percent say the justice system is used for political purposes.
I think that's low. January 6 defendants given years in prison, 2020 rioters were released. High profile political figures, prosecuted or shielded based on party.
FBI whistle-blowers alleging pressure to inflate domestic extremism numbers. States like Texas, directly defying federal directives, on border enforcement.
And now, leading the way, with the federal government.
History is really cold and unforgiving on this point.
Once the people believe justice is political! Remember, this is the turning point.
The republic stands on borrowed time. Once you no longer believe that justice is achievable. Step six.
Are we there?
I think we are.
Step six. Normalization of political violence!
This is where violence stops shocking the system. Are we there?
Remember, where violence stops shocking the system. Look at evidence just from Virginia. What they just voted for.
He was calling for the death of a -- a political opposition.
Calling for his children to be killed.
Was called on it, never apologized.
Never said anything other than, yeah. I know. He dug it deeper.
Was anyone shocked by it? Apparently not. They elected him. Here's the evidence. 2020 riots.
574 events. $2 billion in damage. Was anybody outraged by that? Or was it downplayed and excused?
Assassination attempts. Assassination attempts against the president. Supreme Court justice.
Fistfights. And mob actions on college campuses. To silence speakers. Rising to do for punching a fascist or stopping genocide. Depending on the ideology. Online chatter discussing Civil War, national divorce, and revolution.
When violence becomes part of the political language, a nation crosses an invisible line. We're now up to step seven out of nine.
This is where Joe Rogan said, are we at step seven?
The rise of militias and parallel forces.
When a state loses he is monopoly on force.
Countdown accelerates. So where are we on this one?
I think we're seeing, maybe early signs of this.
You're starting to see the -- the states kind of organize these mobs, you know, to go after ICE.
Right?
Armed groups, right-wing, left-wing radical secessionists. Anyone.
Once they start forming their own police forces. Or their own option forces, then you have -- then you have everything really falling apart.
Entirely!
I don't think we're there, yet!
But we're starting to see the beginnings of this.
Step eight. The trigger event.
Civil Wars don't begin with a plan. They begin with a spark.
So where are we?
We're not here yet. The conditions are right. Potential triggers, disputed election in '26 or '28.
Political assassination or major attack.
Supreme Court decision that ignites mass unrest.
Financial crisis or dollar crisis.
A state federal standoff turning violent!
Nothing is ignited yet, but the room is soaked in gasoline. So we don't have seven. We're on the verge of eight, at any time. And here's nine.
This is the point of no return.
When police, military, or federal agencies split, even if no one calls it that, well, where are we?
Well, I just read a story about how with the Mamdani election in New York, a good number of the police force is going to leave. And they're going to go join police forces elsewhere. You also have the tension between the state National Guard, and the federal directives, the state guard and the state directives. Law enforcement recruitment is at crisis lows. The distrust of the FBI, DOJ, CIA. Tens of millions of Americans. I always really respected those institutions. I have no respect for them now. If you have states openly defying federal rules on immigration, drug laws, sanctuary policies.
Whistle-blower claims of internal politicization.
All of these things are in play for the first time in 150 years, people can imagine!
So I give this to you, not to be fearful of, but to know where you are. As a map!
Know where you are.
And hopefully, it might wake some people up, if you chart America on, on the nine step model of Civil War. Steps one through four, completed!
Step five, happening!
Step six, happening! Step seven, beginning! Step eight, just waiting for it. And step nine, avoidable, only if step eight, never happens. Again, I'm not telling you for doom purposes, this is diagnosis. This is a doctor going, I want you to look at the chart.
And this is a doctor saying, I want you to look at -- do you see what's happening to your body?
If you don't stop this habit, you are going to die. You don't have to die. You can stop smoking and drinking right now. You can start exercising. But if you don't, you are going to die.
The question is, are we the nation that says, nah, that's not going to happen to me. Or are we the nation that wakes up and sees our chart and says, good heavens, it's way far more gone than I thought it was. But I feel something in the air.
I'm going to change my behavior. The nation that refuses to look and wake up and stop calling their neighbors enemies, is the nation that fails!
We have to strengthen these things that have already fallen. And, you know what, the easiest one to do is?
Church. Where are you ministers and pastors priests and rabbis?
Where the hell are you?
I think there's going to be a special section for you, when you cross over to the -- because you're doing things in the name of God!
So when you get to the other side, I think there's going to be a special section for those who remained silent. While his rights were being taken away.
You don't own that right.
I don't own that right.
The Lord gave us those rights, and said, protect them!
By you, being the representative, the voice box, if you will, of the Lord, to shepherd his people. By you not standing up and saying, hey, by the way, we have -- we have a moral responsibility to protect these rights for the next generation! By you refusing because you're afraid. Because I think, there's no politics in the Bible! There's no politics in the Bible. Really?
The whole thing is about politics. Is about the moral way you have to live your life.
Calling things as you see them. Calling them back to eternal principles.
He didn't tell anybody how to vote. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's.
But there are certain principles that you have to have, or you lose not only this citizenship, but the next citizenship. The one that really matters. And, boy, if you are doing it because you're a coward, you are in the wrong business!
Get out of the pulpit, and go to work at Jack in the Box.
The House Oversight Democrats recently released "new" emails allegedly proving President Trump lied about his knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. However, Glenn points out a glaring issue with these emails that destroys their entire narrative...
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GLENN: Well, let's dive right into the Epstein Maxwell emails. My gosh, Stu!
Why are they trying to cover up that Donald Trump had sex with children!
STU: I mean, it's just clear, as -- as day, in the emails!
GLENN: Yeah. No.
STU: He spent hours with one of the victims. What else could have possibly have occurred in that arrangement? We don't know!
GLENN: And it's -- it's one of the victims, Stu. One of the victims!
STU: One of the victims, that's all we know. One of the victims.
GLENN: Let me read what Jeffrey Epstein wrote. I want you to realize that the dog who hasn't barked is Trump. Victim redacted. Victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, et cetera.
Okay. New information, just released. Or is it?
Because in 2011, 2011, that was released and everybody knew it. It's been out floating around. Here's the change: In 2011, this is what it read.
I want you to realize that the dog hasn't barked is Trump. Virginia spent hours at my house with him.
Why would you redact a name that is already out in the public square!
It's already out!
The memo is already out. The email is already out. It's been out for years. Why would you redact that name now?
Well, because it makes it all of a sudden, new and shiny. Shiny and new. If you don't know who said it, you see victim, and you're like, oh, you see victim. Who is the victim?
I don't know. But when you know it's Virginia, you know this has already gone to court. This is -- she already testified about this!
He didn't partake in any of this, any sex with any of it. It's true. He didn't partake in any sex with us, and I'm quoting, this is from the testimony. But it's not true, that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me. Have you ever met him?
Yes, at Mar-a-Lago, my dad and him. I wouldn't say they were friends, but my dad knew him, and they would talk. Have you ever been in Donald Trump or Jeffrey Epstein's presence with one another? No!
What's the basis of your statement that Donald Trump is a good friend of Jeffrey? Jeffrey has told me that Donald Trump is a good friend of his.
He didn't partake in any of -- any of the sex with any of it. He flirted with me.
It's true, that he didn't partake in any sex with us. But it's not true that he flirted with me.
So I don't understand that. But she goes on. Donald Trump never flirted with me!
Okay. So what -- what's new about this?
This is the same girl, this is the same person that -- didn't she work at Mar-a-Lago?
Or she was going to get a job at Mar-a-Lago.
STU: Yeah. I believe she did at one point.
GLENN: Yeah. So we know they know each other. We know they know each other.
We know that at Mar-a-Lago, Jeffrey Epstein would come, and he was poaching the employees. The girls there. To go work for him.
And Donald Trump went to him. And said, "Hey, man. Stop it. Stop poaching people from me. That's not cool. Don't do it." And then he said, "Oh, yeah. All right." And then he did it a second time. And he's like, "You know what, you're out. I don't want you here anymore. I asked you not to do it, and you did it." Now, that doesn't mean that he knew what was happening to the girls or what was happening or anything else.
And even if it did mean something was happening with the girls, he was saying, "Hey. Stop it! Don't take any of the girls or the women here.
Don't do it." I don't believe he knew anything about any of this. But God only knows! And really, God only knows!
This is not new news. Donald Trump, he might end up beating Bezos as the richest man on the planet! When all is said and done!
Because, again, the -- they're presenting this as new fact, a giant scandal. Stu, I don't know if you know this. This is -- this breaking news is a giant scandal.
STU: Yeah. I've heard democratic representatives saying that over the past 24 hours. Yeah. We need to investigate this.
This is shocking stuff. It's a massive scandal. Even ABC News, I heard, pushed back against this. And said, well, what scandal? What are you implying occurred here?
We know who the victim was. We know the victim. Like why. Why did you even redact that name?
And they're like we always redact name of victims.
Do you really? When they're already out publicly?
Not to mention, this particular victim is not even alive.
You know, she sadly died. I mean, it's a terrible, terrible story.
GLENN: Terrible story.
STU: Yeah. She passed away.
A suicide. It was at least the report I believe. But she has a posthumous book coming out. But like a terrible, terrible story.
But, you know, to act as if you have to protect her identity when, number one, she's dead.
GLENN: Is ridiculous.
STU: Number two, everybody already knows who she was, including the news sources, who also have a policy, you would think.
And ABC has a policy. They redact, that was in this type of situation. But it's already been out. We already knew who it was.
So they redacted to make it look like he's with other people who have not already told us nothing bad occurred! You know, and it is an absolutely awful tactic. And at least --
GLENN: I think litigation should follow again. I think he should sue them again. Anyone who is presenting this as new information.
ABC did their job. Congratulations for ABC. They did their job.
They pointed out, this is not new information.
Why would you redact. Why are you releasing this now? And you're redacting a name this -- this email is already out!
You're presenting this as a new scandal.
And you redacted that name. This is completely dishonest. The news media shouldn't even run with it. They shouldn't even run with it. They should have said, old news. Old news. And if you did run with it, you should have handle it had like ABC handle it had. Wait a minute. Why did you redact name.
What do you mean that there's a new scandal. She already testified exactly opposite of what you're believing Jeffrey Epstein over the victim right now. I just want to make sure you understand the Democrats right here. You're taking the name of Epstein, over the victim.
Oh, okay. All right.
STU: And Epstein doesn't even say that anything occurred.
GLENN: No.
STU: There's not -- it's just -- it would be something you would have to jump to a conclusion, to accuse Donald Trump of something like this.
And we know what happened, because the victim said nothing!
Said, it was nothing!
GLENN: Right.
STU: In fact, it wasn't even a flirtation. Which, by the way, even that, you might have thought was creepy. It wasn't even a crime.
It wasn't even flirtation. So it's a disgrace in every single way.
GLENN: All right. So let me take you here. Let me take you here.
If you remember when the shutdown first started, what did the Democrats say, the reason why they did the shutdown?
Not them! Why Mike Johnson and everybody else wouldn't negotiate!
Why wouldn't -- why wouldn't the Republicans negotiate?
Because the heat was on, to release the Epstein files.
And they didn't want to have to do that. So they shut the government down!
Okay?
They wouldn't negotiate. You didn't hear any of this? Oh, it's so arrogant.
STU: It doesn't make any sense at all. That's probably what they said.
GLENN: I know. I know. So the government is open, and what does Mike Johnson do yesterday?
He said the House is going to vote on a bill to release all of the files related to the late financier, convicted child sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein next week. He said on Wednesday that a discharge position to bypass leadership and force a vote on the bill, hit the benchmark for needed signatures. It's been decided by him to expedite the vote for the bill, which under the current rules could have been delayed until at least early September.
So he says, as soon as that petition hit, the needed 218 signatures, I brought it up. Unanimous consent. Let's go! Release it.
So he's pushing this forward. Good, Mike!
Release all of it. Thank you!
Get it out. Lance this boil.
I mean, if anybody thinks that you're ever going to get the truth on this in the first place, it's madness. It's madness. Everybody -- I mean, so many important people were involved in this, and it was in the hands of the Democrats for the longest time. Okay?
So they had all of this information. You don't think it was all picked through? And if there was anything about Donald Trump, you don't think that would have come up between 2020 and 2024?
There's nothing in there about Donald Trump. These people are so stupid. This time, we've got him, boys. This time, we've got him.
No, you don't. This time, it's like Wile E. Coyote. This time, we've got the Roadrunner!
No. You're never going to catch him on this. It doesn't work. The guy was the most investigated person in the history of the world, and you've got nothing! Now, it's good to come out.
But if you think you're going to catch a bunch of people on the left, you're not going to. Because they had it, you know, in their possession.
You don't think all of the names were taken out? You don't think things were destroyed, if there was anything? I believe there was something. But I don't believe there's any names in it anymore. You're not going to get the truth on this one. You're just not going to get the truth, but release everything that we have. Everything!
Oh. Oh, by the way, also in the Epstein emails. How come nobody is talking about this one, Stu?
This one is from Michael Wolff, to Jeffrey Epstein. And then Jeffrey Epstein responds.
So Michael Wolff writes, "What's the thumbnail on Nes Baum (phonetic) Foster?"
And Jeffrey Epstein writes back, "Nes Baum White House Counsel, dot, dot, dot, Hillary doing naughties with Vince."
Now, Vince Foster killed himself, you know, and then killed himself at the White House. And then drug himself across the street to the park.
I mean, I don't know -- the Vince Foster thing is so old. And it doesn't -- but why is nobody talking about that one?
Why is no one talking about that?
Also, this the Jeffrey Epstein email bundle, ABC, you don't feel that's necessary to bring that one up?
Huh. Interesting.
