Straight Shooting From Rep. Mark Sanford: We're Not Repealing Obamacare

Rep. Mark Sanford (R-SC) joined Glenn on radio today with a refreshing and much-needed approach: telling the truth, even if it's bad news. Sanford explained the reason behind the Freedom Caucus endorsing the latest version of Obamacare.

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GLENN: So there was a disturbing news out of the White House yesterday. Yesterday, the Senate came and was briefed at the White House on North Korea. Some of the senators walked out and rolled their eyes. And they were quoted as saying, well, that was interesting. And not in a positive way.

No real word on -- on what happened, what the plan is. And couple that with another story that's coming out from the White House on how the president is briefed. And this is coming from an ally of Donald Trump inside the White House. And I have to tell you, Pat, your blood runs cold when you hear how he's briefed?

PAT: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

GLENN: I mean, this is one of the most disturbing things I've read. We'll get into that.

Also, a guy who is turning out to be somebody that we can really seemingly count on to tell the truth and to stand up to the weasels in Washington is congressman Mark Sanford of South Carolina. I don't believe he's ever been on the show before. We welcome him, beginning right now.


GLENN: Congressman Mark Sanford from South Carolina. How are you, sir?

MARK: I'm good. Good to hear your voice.

GLENN: It's good to have you on. Let me just get this uncomfortable moment out from me. Out into the open.

I saw you quickly in the hallway a few years back. And at the time, I was still kind of mad at you for the stuff that, you know, we all went through and you went through. But I have to tell you, you have -- you have taken a situation that could have just destroyed anybody, and you have -- you have a real success and redemption story. And it's really nice to have you on.

MARK: Well, you're very, very kind.

Without going into it, I have been on a journey that involves both the grace of man and the grace of God.

GLENN: Yeah.

MARK: And it's a pretty good journey.

GLENN: Well, we're glad to have you on.

I want to talk about a couple of things. Because you're a free market Libertarian-minded congressman, which are getting harder and harder to find, at least it seems out here in the wild as we're looking in. You saw the tax plan. And you've heard more now, I'm sure, you know, on the Trumpcare plan. How are you feeling about things?

MARK: You know, I think from a conservative or Libertarian standpoint, a lot of us are concerned about where things go next.

A number of us have sort of stuck our finger in the dike trying to hold back the health care bill based on a belief from a process standpoint. Not being ready for prime time. There's a value to the back and forth that -- that may not be comfortable or fun. But there's a real value to that.

And, frankly, some of the consequent results that would have come with that bill in its original form. And on the tax bill, I think a number of us are concerned about its ramifications with regard to the deficit. I think we need to -- I mean, this is a huge opportunity, the idea of reforming taxes, but we need to do it within the context of not simultaneously blowing up the debt and the deficit, which is no longer talked about in Washington, DC.

GLENN: I think this is so frightening. We don't even have a budget. And in the period we haven't had a budget, we've increased the debt by $10 trillion.

You're right. Nobody is talking about it. And I'm sorry to say that the -- the whole economic principle of cutting taxes only really works when you put it in the context of Calvin Coolidge. You must cut spending first. That's the only thing that's going to give all of us confidence that we can relax and spend a little bit and create jobs.

MARK: You're absolutely right. Because what's really interesting, as we both know, a deficit is simply a delayed tax. You're just stacking the bill. But the idea of saying, we'll cut taxes on one hand. But we'll run bigger deficits on the other. The two wash each other out from an economic standpoint. And so the only-fashioned notion of saying, "Wait a minute. Let's begin with the beginning." It was actually Milton Friedman who once said, "The ultimate measure of government is what it spends." Now, it's not the only measure, but it's a pretty important measure because it's from there that we raise taxes to pay for -- deficits may come as a result between the two.

But what it spends is something that's not looked at in Washington, but I think it's still looked at very closely by folks across this country.

GLENN: Well, I will tell you this, as a small business man, we were talking about this yesterday. And everybody on the team said, "Well, you know, that will increase job creation, et cetera, et cetera." And as the guy who actually pays the bills and runs the business, I said, "Not as much, quite honestly, as you might think because I'm still going to hold an awful lot back from for a rainy day because I know the center won't hold. This is a game." The only ones that are really going to spend it are the ones that I think will take those taxes and pour it into the stock market or whatever they can pour it into, that will have short-term paper guns to make more money, but not to necessarily create more jobs, because they know at some point the music will stop.

MARK: Uh-huh.

We're in the fourth longest economic recovery in the history of our nation right now. And if you believe in, I guess what the statisticians call regression to the mean or what everyday folks call the law of averages, to your point, it won't go on forever. I think, again, it could be very helpful in terms of competitiveness of this country.

GLENN: Yeah.

MARK: I think it's an incredible opportunity. These opportunities don't roll around often.

And this is the fourth time in the history of our republic that Republicans have held the House, Senate, and White House. But I think we need to do it within the context of making sure we're watching on the spending front. And our budgets become more and more unrealistic as each year goes by. And they get harder and harder to -- to, in essence, bring to ballot over a 10-year time frame.

And it's important that, again, we do talk at some level about this old-fashioned notion of accumulating debt and deficit.

It is amazing right now -- it's almost like the three monkeys about hear no evil, I speak no evil, I think no evil, with regard to debt and deficit. It is something that is just not focused on in DC right now, but I think has real implications in terms of value of the dollar, in terms of future inflation, and ultimately our way of life.

GLENN: So let me ask you a couple of things on, the Freedom Caucus stood against -- and you stood against Obamacare. I'm sorry. Obamacare and Trumpcare.

MARK: Yeah.

GLENN: When Trumpcare was being pushed, you were actually threatened by Team Trump. They said that, if you didn't sign up, they would challenge you in the primary of 2018. And from what I understand, you said, "Go ahead." Now they're saying that the Freedom Caucus is starting to come on board. Is there something that we can actually look at, that is possibly decent?

MARK: Yeah. It's represented in this MacArthur Amendment whether or not that will ultimately get us up and over the top, I'm not sure. But I think that the Freedom Caucus -- well, I know the Freedom Caucus has come on board based on the belief of, one, let's tell the truth to the American public. The truth is we're not repealing the Affordable Care Act. Even though there had been a lot of fanfare when we had a Democratic president and it couldn't go into effect, you know, 60 votes to that effect in the House of Representatives, the bill that made its way all the way to the president, a lot of chest-beating saying, "We've got to repeal. We've got to repeal. We've got to repeal." When push comes to shove, now that we have the chance, they were not willing -- the conference was not willing to bring that bill forward.

And I think that the allies that I deal with in the Freedom Caucus pushed awfully hard on that, saying, wait. This is something that is clear consensus in the House, the Senate. We've done it multiple times. But for whatever reason, that isn't where we were. This other bill moved forward. It wasn't, as I say, ready for prime time. It had a number of different deficiencies that I think would have hurt people who rely on the individual marketplace for their insurance.

And in essence, this MacArthur Amendment was an experiment in federalism. Getting it was called title one. And title one is really the central nervous system of what drives up cost in the individual marketplace and what, frankly, drives the Affordable Care Act. And our fight in --

GLENN: What is title one?

MARK: Title one basically deals with insurance being insurance. So if I said to you, we're going to -- you know, I'm going to give you great insurance. You know, great insurance. You have a 200,000-dollar house. But you've got to buy a million and a half dollar policy. You would say, that ain't great insurance for me. It might be great insurance, but it's not great insurance for me. Great insurance is the insurance that fits for me and for my family and those that I love.

And so what title one gets at is, all the different provisions that prevented insurance from being insurance. Insurance is not being able to buy your homeowner's policy when the house is on fire. You have to buy your homeowner's policy ahead of time to be covered.

And what the Affordable Care Act did is it said, you could wait until your house was on fire to buy a homeowner's policy. So title one was, again, letting -- preventing insurance from being insurance. And it was our belief that if you were ever going to, again, affect the cost of insurance for that small business person out there struggling to make it and struggling with fewer choices and rising premiums, you had to let insurance be insurance.

And so that's what the fight has been about. And what this MacArthur Amendment did was it said, okay. We'll split the baby. And we'll do a federalism experiment. States that want to let insurance be insurance, they can do that. States that don't, won't. If Vermont wants to go to a single-payer system, they may. If South Carolina wants to go to a more market-based system, they may. And that I think is the most you'll be able to get out of the conference. And at that point, the Freedom Caucus folded the cards and said, I guess, as of yesterday to be exact, we'll sign off on that particular measure. And that's where things are right now.

GLENN: Mark -- we're talking to Congressman Mark Sanford from South Carolina who is showing some real spine and some backbone and standing up for some real true conservative principles. I'd love to talk to you about the future of the party and where you think this is going and the -- and where Trump is going. But one of the pressing issues that I think we need to talk about is North Korea.

What is the temperature in Washington for North Korea? We, for the life of us, cannot come up with a way that this ends without at least a million dead.

MARK: Yeah. You can draw some really bad doomsday scenarios. There was actually a closed door Intel briefing yesterday afternoon on the Hill for members of Congress on this particular topic. And without going into that, I would just say that -- I -- I think we want to be careful about rattling this particular saber --

GLENN: No, I know.

MARK: At this point, North Korea does not have the capacity to bring harm to domestic US. And I think we need to put things within that particular framework as we look at and access threat.

GLENN: Do you believe this administration is looking at it like that?

MARK: I -- I think that they are most worried about what might happen there. And I think that they're thinking about preemptive -- preemptive steps to prevent something from happening.

GLENN: That doesn't sound good.

What is -- with everything, Mark, that is going on, the economy -- I have a woman on who was inside the Dallas fed. She wrote a great book. I don't know if you've seen it, called Fed Up. She was in Wall Street. And then she was one of the chief researchers for the head of the Dallas fed here in -- and saw, you know, 2008 coming a mile away. And she was laughed at until it happened. And then she was promoted.

And what she sees coming now is an absolute disaster financially. With that -- with the world on the edge, with -- with Russia and with a press that is no longer trusted, a government that is no longer trusted, what -- what keeps you up at night? And what keeps you optimistic?

MARK: What keeps me up at night is exactly -- I will make it a point to find this book Fed Up. It's fascinating.

But, you know, I would just presuppose that her philosophical alignment is to the right.


MARK: But whether you're right or left on this issue -- I mean, it was interesting that Erskine Bowles, who was, you know, Clinton's former chief of staff at the time of the Bowles/Simpson commission, remarked that, you know, look, we're looking at the most predictable financial crisis in the history of man.

If you think about Admiral Mike Mullen, former chairman and joint of chief, his observation was -- when asked, what's the biggest threat to the United States? Not the Chinese. Excuse me -- not the Chinese, not the Taliban. But his answer was the American debt.

And so whether it's somebody who is a firsthand participant in the way that the fed works, with the right position, somebody from a military position, somebody from the left, the thing that we're not talking about right now is indeed the build-up of the debt. There's an interesting book if you have insomnia called At This Time, It's Different.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

MARK: And it was written by a professor from Harvard and a professor from Maryland, writer, and wrote often. Some of their methodologies have been questioned. But their largest premise is accurate. And they look at the last 800 years of financial history, as it relates to governments, and what they found is that in every instance, civilization has got to a tipping point where -- and they had to decide, do we go back to what made us competitive and perhaps a world power in the first place, or do we stay on this happy, but ultimately unsustainable cycle of upward government spending and consumption? And nine times out of ten, they chose the easy path. They said, well, this time it's different. Of course, it never was. Gravity always works. And it was the seeds of that civilization's undoing.

And so the thing that keeps me up at night is the way in which there's not a focus on the implications of the debt and the deficit for every working American.

GLENN: So I will tell you, I am working on a book based on history, on that very thing.

MARK: Hmm.

GLENN: And I will tell you that -- I found it very hard to stay optimistic once you know history. But I have found what keeps me -- helps me back to sleep at night, what have you found that puts you back to sleep at night?

MARK: Engagement. You know, I think that people aren't dumb. At times in politics, we can fuse -- and I think even the president -- I say this most respectfully confuses -- they think it's about us. It's not about us. We're simply receptacles for people's ideas and ideals and the advancement of those ideas. And I would say that this election back in November was less about Donald Trump than it was about people's absolute mind-numbing frustration with the way that Washington was working for them.


MARK: And so if we just simply separate ourselves just a touch -- it's not about me. It's about these ideas that people are ginned up on.

GLENN: Yeah.

MARK: What I will say is that we all ought -- right now, you walk into a restaurant, many times it used to be the sports channel that was up.

GLENN: Yeah.

MARK: Nowadays it's a news channel because people are focused on politics. And I think to that degree, engagement is exciting.

GLENN: Yeah. Congressman Mark Sanford from South Carolina. Thank you very much. And, by the way, thank you for holding out for Nikki Haley. If we wouldn't have had you, we wouldn't have had her. She's doing a great job in the UN. But thank you for everything. We'll talk again soon.

MARK: Looking forward to it.

GLENN: Congressman Mark Sanford.


This dad LOST CUSTODY thanks to today’s GENDER WAR

Jeff Younger’s son, James, began learning from his mother at age two that he actually is a girl. And that’s when Jeff’s battle to save his sons — James and his twin brother, Jude — began. The boys are now ten, living with their mother in California, and Jeff hasn’t been able to see them in over a year. He joins Glenn to share his entire story, and then Glenn asks a panel of legal experts how other parents could prevent similar nightmares moving forward.


4 possible reasons Trump is running & 1 Glenn thinks is true

Why is President Donald Trump running for the White House in 2024? In this clip, Glenn reads from a Politico article which tells about 4 former presidents who made new attempts at the presidency before. Those four were motivated by four different reasons: power, boredom, regret, and spite. But Glenn believes there’s a fifth motivation that’s more likely the one for Donald Trump. Listen to the clip to find out what that motivation may be…


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: I want to tell you the story, from the four presidents, who have tried this before.

Politico has a great article by Joshua Zeitz. And he writes about these four presidents, who have run, only one has won.

And they all have really good lessons in them. I'll share that with you, coming up in just a second.

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Okay. There are people that have made multiple -- multiple attempts, multiple tries, at the presidency.

And have failed. Then there's people like Joe Biden who have been running for president, I think since 1916, maybe.

STU: It was not the 1916 race. But he got into 1916, for a later race. 1924. I think he was running for eight good years for that one. Which he then lost. And then he plagiarized someone else's speech.

GLENN: But it was Calvin Coolidge. Didn't have the internet then.

Anyway, Politico writes, whatever -- whether Trump succeeds may depend on his own motivation in running. Will he do it for power?
Out of boredom or regret? Or simply despite the naysayers? The wounded president egos of the past might be a window into the mind of the most polarizing politician of our time. So they go into these four presidents.

And it's important to remember, is he going to do it out of power. Out of boredom. Out of regret.

Or spite.

So 1840. Presidential bid with Martin Van Buren. He ran again in 1848.

He lost the election. He was -- I think it was Jackson's vice president. And then he went on, after Jackson. Jackson said. You should be the president.

And he won the president. And then he lost his reelection bid. And it's interesting, because he was not -- he was a Democrat. And he was clearly for slavery.

And when he got into office, in 1837, there was a once in a lifetime financial panic.

And it triggered a really deep recession. He was now wildly unpopular. So he lost his bid. And then in 1844. Van Buren attempted a comeback. But listen to this. A fiercely contested Democratic Convention, instead nominated James Polk of Tennessee.

An ardent expansionist and proponent of slavery. Remember, it's just the Democratic Party.

Many Van Buren supporters would nurse a long grudge against Southern Democrats for thwarting his comeback. So he's going in, and he loses the bid for the Democrats. So he decides, that he is going to go with his son, who started a third party.

The barn burners. He was indifferent about slavery. And he didn't expect to win. What he was trying to do, was reorder the party. He was trying to use his power, to shift the party and still be the guy who is you know the power player.

He didn't -- he didn't -- he didn't win. In fact, the election went to Zachary Taylor. Because there was a third party.

And so the Wigs took it. And then we never heard from him again.

STU: Not a lot of people were indifferent on slavery, I feel like.

I feel like, that's one you take a position on, either way.

GLENN: I feel like that's a lot of people on abortion. I don't know.

STU: That's true. People look back, you didn't take a position of baby's dying.

GLENN: Wait. They were chopping them up. And you were fine with that.

STU: It was neutral.

Well, Switzerland on that one, huh?

GLENN: So Grover Cleveland was the next one. This is 1888. He's already been president. He's running for reelection.

But he's kind of. He doesn't really care.

STU: He's indifferent on his own presidency.

GLENN: He's indifferent on his own presidency. And so Benjamin Harrison won, and this -- this particular election is very much like what we're facing now. It was very, very close.

And you know you didn't have a lot of swing going one way or another.

So he retires and he goes to New York City. And he plays cribbage with his friends.

He goes to the theater, and he goes out to eat. And then goes out to eat some more. Eventually, he wastes 300 pounds.

STU: I like this guy. Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Then he would take fishing trips to Cape Cod. They would have a hard time with the boat.

Anyway, he has his first child. And he says, anyway, I feel like I just started to live.

So he goes, and starts to get nominated again.

Then he kind of loses interest again. I guess if we would just have put food at the end, he would have.

But he did win.

But he won, because of the tight electoral map. So during his -- the next one is Theodore Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt decides he's only going to run two terms. He really regrets that.

And he's like, yeah. Did I say -- I don't think I said that? What did I say?

STU: A lot of people get into power. They really regret that decision, don't they?

GLENN: Right. So he comes back from a year in Africa. You know just shooting animals. What a bastard.

And he's upset, that the conservative Republicans had taken back over.

They were like, yeah, I don't think this administrative state, is really what we should be for. And so he gets very upset about that, and tries to reverse the tide, to be a party of, you know, more like Mitch McConnell. And so the -- the Republicans decide, no, we're against the administrative state.

So he decides to start his own party. Bull Moose Party. He loses. But, again, he lets the progressive Democrat, Woodrow Wilson get in.

So what do we have here?

The last one is Hoover. And Hoover was a big progressive.

Huge progressive. You notice anything about these things?

He fought to win the Republican nomination after he left office.

He starts to come back. And he wants to come back, I don't know. 1940. And the -- the Republicans, this time. Decide, they want an even more progressive Republican. And so they get Wendell Wilke. And neither one of them win.

So the lesson here is Martin Van Buren's second run.

It was about regaining or retaining power. Not just the power of the presidency. But the lasting control of a movement and party that renders Trump, a defining on the world stage. I personally think he already has that. If he's like Grover Cleveland. And how many games of golf can I play?

And there's not enough all you can eat buffets, because I don't want to weigh 300 pounds.

Then it's his for the taking. Like 1892.

It probably, according to politico, has to do with regret. We know from recent reporting, that Trump and those in his orbit fault themselves for letting the judicial civil service at political class, thwart many of their ambitions.

They relish a second crack at it. And he might be you know a little upset, so -- or might be a little spite. But he won't win.

If it's spite.

I personally think, that it's none of these things.

Because I've talked to him. And in talking to him, he said something that was off camera. But very, very humble. Shockingly so.

And very heartfelt. When I talked to him. He said, I can't believe what they're doing to the country. I can't -- I mean, we had this. We had this. They were on the right track. And they have just destroyed it in less than two years. And he said with be this is the part that I think this is why he's running.

I can't live with myself. Seeing all the millions of faces that I have talked to. And I promised. I would fix it. And stand up for them. After they stood up for me. How am I going to sit down, and watch the country burn to the ground? When I know, I can help them.

When he said, last night, the most important line, this is not my campaign. This is our campaign. I think that's why he's running.


Glenn: 6 leftist stories that may MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!

What better way to kick-off Glenn’s Thanksgiving vacation than with six stories that may make you HEAD EXPLODE?! In this clip, Glenn shares 6 recent, news stories — like the teacher union’s new pronoun guide, the UN complaining about Nigerians, and a new California program that pays people for being transgender — as part of a ‘clown news alert.’ Which one is the most absurd to YOU?!


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: We have a full-fledged clown alert. Clown alert going on. Stu, we don't have time for -- okay. So let's look at some of the stories today, that would have made my head explode, but I'm so far beyond that.

Here's a headline from Fox News. MSNBC anchor slammed for complaining House Democrats never investigating the Trump family.

I'm just saying. Well, look at the cute little car, and all the MSNBC people coming out. The, I guess it's maybe Hassan Show. Didn't do this. They didn't do this for the Trump family. Meti, which is -- I'm going to say ze, zer, which could be her or him.

I don't know. Nobody watches MSNBC. Isn't that weird? It's like this weird experiment. If we put all this money into producing something, and nobody watches it, how long can we do that?

It's a neat experience. CNN has been doing that one for a while. And that experiment is about to come to a conclusion. Anyway, be as mad as you like about House Republicans kicking off any day, one day after winning the House with a massive investigation to the Biden family. But ask yourself why Democrats didn't do this for the Trump family. Yeah.

Oh. Ask yourself on the day that Pelosi is retiring, by the way. Oh. Okay.

I've got a note from the teacher's union. It is a pronoun guide.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: This is why I knew about the pronouns for MSNBC. The national -- the National Education Association's pronoun guide, reviewed by the Washington Examiner, directs members on how to use various preferred pronouns to grow accustomed to include one's pronouns and name tags, while introducing one's self to colleagues. The pronoun guide says it's been made available for members of the teacher's union. And it is made to have staff better understand the use of pronouns, in a respectful way for all NEA meetings and communications. In English, this is according to the guide, in English, we have two sets of generated pronouns. She/her/hers. He/him/his. Oh, that is great. They're still teaching this stuff.

However, those are attached to a particular gender. Now, I didn't know that. Did you know that?

STU: A particular gender? Wow. No. I didn't know that.

GLENN: Like she/her/hers would go to somebody that would self-identify she's a woman.

STU: Right. That's the only way you would know she was a woman.

GLENN: Only way you would know. We all likely, this is according to the teachers union, all likely assume we knew someone's pronouns just by looking at them.

STU: Oh, that's so silly. What a silly concept.

GLENN: Okay. Knowing their gender. But that isn't the case. In an effort to be more affirming to all. It's important as teachers to get out of the habit of assuming pronouns. So they have a table graphic, that separates different pronouns from their respective case, to inform the reader how to use them in a sentence properly. The first three lines from the graphic provide a guide for he/she/they pronouns, but the final line is a guide for using ze/zim/zir/zirself.

STU: Zirself. I did not --

GLENN: Uh-huh, yeah. Which doesn't help identify anyone.

STU: No.

GLENN: You have absolutely.

STU: Does no good for communication whatsoever, which is what the language is supposed to do.

GLENN: Here's another headline for you.

The UN complains the world has too many Nigerians. And who doesn't think that there are too many Nigerians. I don't know. That sounds a little racist. But, no. No. The UN fits entirely in that one clown car.

Which is very nice. Here's a Democrat, that has said, well, she's a scientist. It's Sheila Jackson Lee.

STU: Oh, gosh. Brilliant.

GLENN: Yeah. She said, there's a direct connection to slavery and the pandemic. No, that's -- no, there's no clown horn there. This is serious. I'm sorry. I don't know how this got into the stack of clown news. This is a serious thing.

I believe -- and I can prove it to you. I believe there's a direct -- you know, the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

It's like, except with slavery, it's only 1 degree. Give me anything. Give me anything.

STU: Water faucets.

GLENN: Water faucets. Easy. Did slaves drink water?

Direct link to slavery. Every water faucet company should be paying reparations. Next.

STU: Oatmeal.

GLENN: Please. Who is on the front of the oatmeal box?

The old lady man, Bush looking person. Colonial. Oppression. Slavery. Boom. And don't even get me started about breakfast cereals, foods. Pancakes.

Please. I think, you know. Next.

STU: Oh.

French baguette.

French baguette. You would think this one is hard. You would think that one would struggle to connect a French baguette.

STU: That's exactly what I was thinking. I was trying to come up with something specifically that was difficult to tie to slavery.

GLENN: No. This is very easy.

I told you earlier, that what his name? Pepé LePew. The guy who was on Hogan's Heroes. The French guy in the slave camp. I could take this apart 600 ways to Sunday.

First of all, what did white people do?

They built concentration camps. Then they did shows about concentration camps, with Hogan's Heroes.

Hogan's Heroes, they had one token black in that camp. One. Okay?

Token. Just like slaves. That man, in that show, who was on the show with a Frenchman. Who liked baguettes. Slavery.

STU: I -- I don't want to come up with another example.

GLENN: Because you don't want to be shown up.

STU: Sure. That's exactly what it is.

GLENN: Let me give you this one. Los Angeles county sheriff says the crash that injured 25 law enforcement recruits in southern Whittier, Wednesday morning, was not an accident.

Now, wait a minute. This is hard to believe in the first place. Someone would drive their car, intentionally, into a crowd of police recruits? In California?

No way. Well, shockingly, investigators went through an exhaustive interview process with everyone involved, with the video surveillance statements from the recruits. The physical evidence that they had, like I've got a broken leg. And what they got from the suspect themself. And they were able to form the opinion, that this was a deliberate act.

Now, they have no idea why. The driver was Nicholas Joseph Gutierrez. He's 22. He's charged with attempted murder of a peace officer. And other charges are pending.

But they gave him a bond of a ridiculous $2 million. And so he is -- well, he was also -- he had marijuana in the SUV. And he was intoxicated.

You know, but he drove directly into a group of 75 recruits.

And five of them are critically injured. Twenty-five of them were injured.

But they still have no motive. They still don't have any idea. And, of course, it was not politically or racially motivated.

Just want you to know that.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: We'll wait for details. I hope they figure that out.

STU: It's never -- it's never motivated that way.

GLENN: Well, the California police are on it. Okay?

STU: That's good to hear. California is on to a lot of things though. They have a great new program, we talked about it briefly yesterday, in San Francisco.

GLENN: Oh. Where you can -- if your gender --

STU: If you're transgendered, you can get on some sort of payroll with them --

STU: Yeah. And they'll pay you for being transgender.

$1,200 a month.

GLENN: My name is Betty, Stu! My name is now Betty.

STU: And if you happen to be a Glenn into a Betty, then you can get $1,200 a month, for the next 18 months.

GLENN: And you must admit, I'm the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

STU: And you are, believe me. You sure are.

GLENN: Oh. You haven't seen me all dolled up.

STU: Now, it might seem like a ridiculous program to some. But I decided to go through the actual application, because I was interested.

GLENN: Right, and that's when you see how really serious and well thought out it is. Right?

STU: Right. Uh-huh. Now, there are some options. You have to go through the application.

Let me -- this is pronouns. Glenn, I'll go through these with you. You just have to check all that apply. So you might have eight or ten of these.

GLENN: All that apply. Okay. All that apply, not just one. Got it.

STU: She/her/hers. He/him/his/, they/them/theirs, it/it/its. Co/co/cos.


STU: Co/co/cos.

GLENN: Hmm? Well, yeah. Of course.

STU: Zi, zim, zis.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Ze, zer, zers. He/him/hirs. Hy/hym/hyrs.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. The ear one, I didn't -- and I feel a little bad. Because that makes me think of my ears, which I think are really bad. They're big. The earlobes are growing. It's the only part of the face and the nose that continue to grow. And thank you for pointing that out.

Now I'm really offended! I wish I had that power. You know in the Disney film? What was the one? Hercules?

I wish I -- remember when the guy could set his hair on fire. I wish I could do that.

Wouldn't that be great? Just -- so when you would say something like zirs, I would think ears. And you would know I'm pissed.

STU: By the way, I should point out, it's not ears. E-A-R-S, it's e --

GLENN: I didn't say it was. I said, it made me think of that. That's my truth, Stu.

STU: I'm sorry. That is your truth.

Or ma'am, or she. I don't know which one to say.

How about per/per/pers?


STU: Fey/fair/fairs. Ay/ay/ayrs. Tay/tare/tares.

GLENN: I like the way you say that.

STU: Va/var/vars. No pronouns.

GLENN: Oh, no. That one doesn't apply to me.

STU: That one doesn't apply to you.
So this is the guaranteed income for the transgendered people program.

GLENN: Okay. So if I identify as any or all of those, do I get more money from the state, if I identify as all of those?

STU: That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that.

GLENN: Do they investigate to see if I'm really --

STU: Definitely not.

Because how would you? These words don't mean anything?

GLENN: Do I have to live in California to get their taxpayer money?

STU: Yes. San Francisco. This is from the city of San Francisco. The guaranteed income for transgendered people, or gift, which is interesting.

Because it doesn't spell. It's gift. In reality it's GIFTP.

GLENN: Guaranteed income for transgender people. Okay.

STU: And they call it GIFTP. The GIFTP program, here are some things -- now, it goes to gender. There are several genders available, Glenn. For you to choose. I guess you could choose any or all of these. Let me give you some example. Gender creative.

GLENN: Well, that's me. I'm very creative.

STU: Gender outlaw.

GLENN: Yes. I live in the West.

STU: How about gray gender.

GLENN: Well, look at my hair.

STU: I don't know it means you're older. That guy kind of -- it's a gray area.

GLENN: Either works for me, works for me, Your Honor.

STU: Brother boy. Is that your gender, or would you consider yourself a brother boy?

GLENN: I would say, because we're in a transition as a society.

STU: Right.

GLENN: I would still say there's a chance brother boy might be misinterpreted. So I'm going to say no.

STU: That's a good point, considering the context of earlier conversation today.

Sister girl.

GLENN: Sister girl. I am absolutely -- look at me. Betty, I'm a sister girl.

STU: Now, when I look at you, what I see, mavericke.

Mavericke. It's like a fancy Tom Cruise. A mavericke.

GLENN: Oh, I like that.

STU: That's kind of you.

GLENN: I am. I'm a maverick. No, I'm a mavericke.

STU: I like that. How about this one. These are all real genders on the checklist. I'm not making these up.

GLENN: Okay. So if I identify as a mavericke. And you would say, yes, sir. You are a mavericke. And I would say, you bet. Give me my cash. Okay.

STU: How about stud?


STU: That's the one gender you're not.

GLENN: No. No.

STU: How about -- this is a real gender.

GLENN: Of course, it is.

STU: FTX. You can now identify as a failed cryptocurrency exchange. Which is --

GLENN: I think that one is an important gender that you mock right now. And now where is my horn. Thank you. Now you can do the other.

STU: She already did the other.

GLENN: No. Do it now.

STU: She already did it.

GLENN: We can edit it in post production. Do the damn -- that wasn't the same one. That's not the one I wanted.


Why the far-left entered the Taylor Swift/Ticketmaster MESS

You'd think U.S. politicians have better things to worry about than the Taylor Swift/TicketMaster fiasco. Yet, it seems some of our far-left favorites already are trying to use the whole mess to their advantage. Sen. Amy Klobuchar even called for a federal investigation into TicketMaster. WHAT?! In this clip, Glenn and Stu explain why this likely will be just another attack on capitalism, why the whining MUST end, and why you don't have a constitutional right to attend a Tay Tay concert (so just shut up about it!).


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

STU: You mocked the Taylor swift story earlier.

GLENN: Did you I?

STU: You said, I can't believe the CNN story is covering this.

GLENN: The coverage is, this is a big deal. That this is the biggest selling ticket day in all of history. It's amazing. But what really caught my attention, the reason why I did it, is because Amy Klobuchar got involved?

STU: Yeah. And AOC as well. AOC was big on this. Saying, it's a monopoly. We must break it up. Can we -- you don't have a constitutional right to see TayTay. That's not a thing. It's not in the document anywhere. They don't mention Taylor Swift once. Nowhere in the document, do they say, you're able to go hear her stupid songs in person. That's not a thing.

GLENN: I think I could twist the Third Amendment.

STU: The Third Amendment? The one about not quartering soldiers?

I don't know --

GLENN: Yeah, they quarter the soldiers, I'm going to see TayTay.

STU: Okay. That may be true. They may have to update. It's a living document.

GLENN: I think it's a living, breathing document, and everybody knows what they were meaning. It's the comma.

STU: But like, there are people absolutely freaking out over this, that they couldn't get their Taylor Swift tickets yesterday.

We have multiple government officials who are saying, oh, look how evil this is, this evil giant corporation, that could only sell 2 million tickets in a day.

GLENN: Oh, shut up.

STU: To a bunch of concerts around the country. I'm so, so sorry. Now, of course, a lot of this goes back to the typical artist, who says, I want to make sure that the real fans can get in. That's why I'm charging 1 dollar for all these tickets. And then, of course, people buy them and resell them on the secondary market. If you just charge what they were worth, then you wouldn't have this problem. But no one wants to do that. Because they make it -- they sound mean if they do that, Glenn. They sound mean to their fans. If they charge too much for these tickets. Now, look, you want to get some tickets, you'll give away to some of your fans, that are dedicated. You can find a way to do that. But these are price controls. You are artificially lowering the price of these tickets, to give to people for $49. Does anyone believe a Taylor swift ticket in the year 2022, or 2023 I guess, is actually only worth on the market, $49? Of course not. She's charging these ridiculously low prices for a select small tiny group of the tickets she's selling.

GLENN: Of 3.6 million.

STU: Right. She has a lot of them out there. Now, of course, she could find a way to just give them away. She's making plenty of money here. Charge the normal price for the other tickets. Then give some away to your hard-core fans.

GLENN: Okay. I so care very little about this story. I mean, the only reason why I brought this story up is, they're concerned in the Senate and the House?

STU: Oh, I know.

GLENN: They're concerned? What about Arizona?

STU: They want to go attack you know some giant corporation.

And they want to attack capitalism. I mean, that's why I care about it.

GLENN: They also want to start talking about the failures of everything else.

STU: That's true. But think about this for a second. There was a time, most of human history. That if you wanted to hear music, what you needed to do was get in in front of someone who was playing it. Right? All throughout history. Then through capitalism, innovation, we were able to record the music. And it was very difficult. You had to distribute it.

It got hard. Then we came up with record stores. And we were able to record the music.

So there were tons and tons of people, who could access this. Any person who had, I don't know. Ten bucks. Could go buy first a record. And an eight-track. And a cassette. And a CD.

STU: And in some cases, all of those.

And you would go and you would buy them from the store. And I remember going around from record store to record store to record store, to try to find this.

GLENN: To try to find it.

STU: And concerts were hard to get into, and they were expensive, and I didn't have the money to it.

GLENN: And you had to go stand in line.

STU: And you had to go stand in line to get the tickets.

GLENN: I paid $19 for floor tickets to see Michael Jackson and the Jackson V.

STU: You're kidding me.

GLENN: Nineteen dollars. And it was an outrage.

STU: People were pissed off. And that's the thing. People are always pissed off. Now we come to the point. You know I don't want -- I didn't want to pay for the money. They're too expensive. They're too expensive for the tickets. Then we're to the point now where capitalism has brought us every single piece of music ever reported for $0.


STU: And they're still bitching. They're still complaining.

GLENN: I know. I know.

STU: The same people who were like, I don't want to pay $19 for Michael Jackson.

GLENN: Then don't go.

STU: Then don't go. You don't have a right to go -- and, by the way, you can get tickets to every other artist on the planet, with no problems right now. There's essentially one artist that it's difficult to get tickets for. And this artist, they still sold 2 million tickets in a day. And everyone is talking about breaking the company up. And it's not about Ticketmaster. No one likes. Everybody complains about Ticketmaster all the time. It's not about Ticketmaster. They're going after freaking capitalism. They're always targeting the same thing. Every time anyone has a bad -- how can you look at this entire picture, Glenn, from performing music and having no way for anyone else to hear it. To every song being free, and still complain about it.

GLENN: I only brought this up, to say Congress and the Senate are more concerned about a Taylor Swift ticket, than the vote! In Arizona!

Shouldn't they maybe be a little bit more concerned about the stuff that's in their wheelhouse!

STU: That's the problem though. AOC thinks this stuff is in her wheelhouse. She's a victim of everything. She's constantly telling everybody --

GLENN: Isn't everybody tired of victimhood. I'm a victim. Shut up. Shut up.

STU: Shut up. Shut up. It's so annoying. Just stop your whining. Everybody is whining about everything all the time. Look, there are real things to worry about clearly in this country. But whether you can get TayTay tickets, it's not one of them. It's not one of them. I'm sorry.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I think the people of Africa, that are starving right now, they would disagree.

STU: They want TayTay tickets?

GLENN: Yeah. They're on the phonish kind of thing they have over there, trying to get through to Ticketmaster.

They couldn't get in. They couldn't get any. Finally an affordable ticket for us. We're starving to death in Africa and Ethiopia. And I can't get a ticket.

STU: And, you know, where Taylor Swift isn't playing any concerts? Madagascar. Why?

Because everyone there is African-American, is that why? Now, it's weird that they would be African-American in Africa. But I don't know how they all became American citizens in this analogy, but they are.

GLENN: They're African African.

STU: They're African African.

She will not go play for African Africans in an island off the coast of Africa.

GLENN: That is really -- I think it has to stop.

STU: It has to be racism. Is there any possibility? She's skipping the entire continent?

GLENN: How do you do that? How do you do that? You're just going to fly over. Oh, it's the fly over continent. I get it. Wink, wink. Code language.

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