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Glenn Encounters Religious Bigotry Firsthand, Teaches the Left a Lesson in Principles

Glenn and his wife have been on the daunting journey of finding a new school for their children. Two local Christian schools in particular denied admission based on the family's religion. While one did it on the basis of principles, the other appeared to have done it out of sheer bigotry. You might say, metaphorically, the latter school refused to bake them a wedding cake. Glenn described Monday on radio that while angry and disappointed, he'll respect the decision made by a private institution, even if he doesn't agree with it.

"If you can't handle meeting a bigot and you can't handle knowing how to deal with a bigot and just dismiss them for the small-minded, narrow people that they are, then you're not going to make it very far. But just to show the left there is bigotry beyond your scope. You may not consider religious bigotry a big deal unless you're an atheist, but there is still religious bigotry," Glenn said.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: Hello, America.

I want to show the left how principles work.

I've been trying to get my kids into religious schools. And, quite honestly, I am -- I'm going to look at a Jewish day school because I know -- I know the Jews will take my Christian children.

I've been trying to get my kids into Christian schools here. And I've been looking into some schools, and we went to an IB school, which I would never put my kids in. Never would I put my kids in an International Baccalaureate program.

I mean, you want to talk about global warming, borderless society, kids coming out very smart, but not with any of the principles I believe in -- I want my kids to have a rock solid principle and religious-based education.

In Texas, if you're Mormon, that's really hard to do because the Christian schools just don't want any of them Mormons around.

Now, I want to tell one story, but in a positive way. And this is why I will give the name of the school. One of the schools -- and it's a really great school, is Covenant Christian School.

And it's an amazing school. And we went on the tour, and everything was great. And, I mean, it was a dream school for me. I mean, I talked to the science teachers. And, "How do you teach evolution?"

"Well, we teach evolution as what it is: a theory. But side by side, we also teach the theory of intelligent design. And we teach them both with the same amount of rigor."

"Fantastic. I love that. Great."

I went into their history department. "Can you tell me" -- I said to the teachers -- and they didn't know who I was. "Can you tell me, who was the worst president of the 20th century, without going into the last, let's say, four or five presidents? And who was the worst president in the 18th century?" Immediately, "Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson." I'm like, "I am home. This is my home."

(chuckling)

GLENN: Loved it. I was called in, as we start to go through the paperwork -- I was called in by the headmaster, and he said, "We don't take Mormon kids because we are a covenant school." And I said, "Okay. Well, let's talk about that."

And after -- I mean, they went through our church's doctrine. They had board meetings. They really wrestled with it. And they explained -- they said, "Look, we make a covenant with the church that the kids go to. And so we have to have certain doctrinal things in line because it's not just bringing your kids in here. We covenant with the church because we believe the church is part of the community that the kids grow up in, and we all want to be hand in hand." I'm like, "I completely understand." I don't think they were bigoted at all. In fact, the opposite. They were well thought out. They were gracious. They were kind. It was -- and I couldn't recommend that school more highly. I wish my kids could go to that. But it's in their name.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And they said, "We would break the very fundamental cornerstone of what we do, if we did that. So we wouldn't do that with any church -- it's not just yours. We wouldn't do that with any church that we didn't have all of the doctrine in place."

I walked away from there really disappointed because I wanted to my kids to go to school there and I wanted to be part of that community, but I completely understand. Then I went to another school, which is going to remain nameless, because there's no reason to run their name into the mud. But they know who they are.

I went and I met with their headmaster. And I met with the founder. And I said, "First off, do you take Mormon kids?"

"Yeah, of course, we take Mormon kids."

"Okay. You do? For sure? Because we just went through this."

"Yeah, no, no, no. We take them. Our philosophy is, they're going to be challenged. Are you asking for special exemptions? Because we do a religious class."

I said, "No, no, no. I want my kids to know everything there is to know about other religions. Their choice of a religion is their choice, not mine. It's theirs. And I do my best to teach theirs -- and I want them to come home and say, Dad, what about this? I want them exploring."

And I said, "So I'm not going to have a problem -- I'm not asking you to change anything." And they said, "Oh, great. No, we take Jewish kids. Because, you know, Judeo-Christian. Blah, blah, blah. They got the Old Testament. We would say to the family, you know, we are teaching about Jesus." They said, "You know, probably something from the, you know, Far East. You know, Buddhist I think is what they used or -- or, you know, Islam," they said. "That is not based on Judeo-Christian, so we think it would be too confusing for the kids. But if the parents wanted them to learn all about Christianity, okay."

We go through the whole thing. And Tania gets a call last week from somebody in the school, from the admissions. "I'm sorry. But we can't take your kids. There's no reason to go any further on this."

And she said, "Why?"

"Well, because, you know, you're Mormon. And we just can't take Mormons. And, you know, you'll be uncomfortable. Many of the parents will be uncomfortable. Your kids will be uncomfortable. They'll be confused."

"No, they won't. They won't be confused. We go to other churches. You know, dad has lots of preacher friends. We did an entire day one on one with our host, Billy Graham. My kids didn't leave confused from Billy Graham's dinner table."

Oh, it was just -- my wife was so upset, she was rude. She just said, "Thank you," and hung up. Now, when I found out, I was really angry, and I posted something on Facebook. I was really angry.

And I'm angry because that's just bigotry. What are you afraid of? I'm not afraid of exposing my kids to anybody's religion. I challenge them. I want them to know other religions. And I'm not putting my kids in school to preach to your kids.

I'm not the kind of person that's going to make everybody else conform to what I believe. What are you afraid of?

So I was really angry. And somebody wrote to me. And this has given me -- instead of going on a rant about this, this has given me the perfect opportunity to explain why bakers should be allowed to not make wedding cakes. There's a difference between -- there's a difference between bigotry and firm belief.

The first school I went to, they have a firm belief. They know what they believe. And it's -- it's different than what I believe. But who am I to force my view on them? Who am I to do anything, but sit down with them, get to know them, truly love them -- we prayed together. We talked for hours. We're friends. I'll help them in any way. They won't let my kids go to their school. That's okay. They don't hate me. They don't hate my church. They just have a standard in place that they can't violate.

I understand that. I appreciate that.

The other is, "Yeah, we'll take kids. We'll take any kid. Well, no. You're out in the open. You're out in the open. And we don't want to look like we're endorsing that." They have kids of other faiths. I wouldn't be surprised if they have Mormons in their school. Oh, my gosh. They should check them for horns today. Not that I have -- that night I know people who go to that school who are of different faiths. Oh, no.

It's just open bigotry. So now what do I do? Well, I remain consistent with my values, except I don't even want to tell you the name of the school because it's not worth it. What are you going to do about it? I want to organize boycotts of the school? I want to change that school? No. No, I don't. No, I don't.

I want them to know that I think what you're doing -- I mean, Jesus dined with whores. You can't have lunch with my kids? You're afraid of my children? I mean, honestly, how are Christians going to expand their lot? I'm giving you the opportunity to teach my kids about your brand of Christianity.

No, no, no. Because apparently people will be too afraid of my little children. What? Converting your children? Confusing your children? That's ridiculous.

And, again, I'd rather be with Jesus who was -- who was dining with whores.

I want them to know it. I want them to know how I feel. But I don't want to organize a protest. I don't want to sue them. I don't want to the make their life miserable. I think probably the vast majority of kids that go to that school, have kids in that school, run in that school, also don't feel -- don't feel like we should be afraid of somebody else's religion.

You can't couch it any way you want, but if you're taking other children, but not these children, that says something about you.

And the biggest thing that has happened around our dinner table, as we've talked about it, is -- because I've called them myself, because I want to talk to them myself. I haven't received a phone call back yet. But I'm sure I will.

I want to call them myself. And the conversation at the dinner table last night was, "Why, Dad?" And I said, "Because I want to say some things. And I'm not mad. I want to say some things. I want to ask them some questions." Well, you wouldn't put them in the school, would you?

I said, "I don't think so. I'm not sure, but I don't think so." And the reason I don't think so is because I don't want my kids to be surrounded by people who are bigots. But my feeling is, not everybody there is a bigot. Because I met a lot of great people who knew exactly who I was and knew exactly what church I belonged to. I'm not exactly quiet on that. And so I don't think they would be surrounded by bigots -- maybe just a few. But what's the difference between that and real life?

I mean, if you can't handle meeting a bigot and you can't handle knowing how to deal with a bigot and just dismiss them for the small-minded, narrow people that they are, then you're not going to make it very far.

But just to show the left that there is bigotry beyond your scope. You may not consider religious bigotry a big deal, unless you're an atheist.

But there is still religious bigotry. But you have to know the difference between having standards and being bigots.

STU: So do you want a new law then that would guarantee that your children be able to get into a religious school of their choice?

GLENN: No. No. I believe this is a private institution that can do whatever they want.

PAT: But you have asked a judge to award you $137,000.

GLENN: No, I have not. I have not.

PAT: Weird.

GLENN: I have not. Personally, I believe that's the way you deal with bigotry, when you find it.

And I will tell you, thousands of people have respond to my Facebook post. And most of them are from Christians who say, "I'm sorry. I'm not of your faith. I don't even agree with your faith, but that's just wrong." That's who people really are.

And I have faith that we are getting better and not worse. Some people are still stuck in the 1950s. Most aren't. Know the difference.

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