Americans Will Wig Out If North Korea Unleashes This Disruption

How do you solve a problem like North Korea? The rogue country has amassed nuclear weapons and missile technology, along with guns and robotic launchers along its 150 mile border. They could easily kill tens of thousands of people in Seoul in neighboring South Korea --- not to mention the 30,000 or so U.S. troops stationed there.

"We don't want any American soldiers to die, but at least soldiers know that they're in there and can be called upon at any time to fight," Doc Thompson said Tuesday, filling in for Glenn on radio

And if the situation escalates? What if North Korean has the capability to hit, say, Seattle by the end of President Trump's first term?

"The guy is crazy enough to do it, and then you've got all the malware attacks and whatever. How long before they release something that shuts us down? And think about this, folks, if we have a disruption in our internet capability . . . it doesn't even have to be electronic . . . if we have that for a day, Americans will wig out.

Enjoy this complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

DOC: Hey, there it's Doc Thompson. We'll get some of your calls about what we're supposed to do about North Korea being somebody that is torn between helping people that are truly oppressed and caring about human rights and my fellow man as a Christian but also somebody who says it's not our responsibility to police the world. And North Korea's going to be a quagmire if we get involved. Even if we do good there, there will be as many pain that we're going to have to endure. Likely something is amping up. We are coming to a head one way or another with this. I don't know if it's tomorrow or six months from now. But eventually, we're going to have to deal with North Korea, whatever that is. It could just be some sort of cyber attack that we unleash. It could be something more militarily. Based on what happened over the weekend, I wouldn't be shocked if we see something today or tomorrow. If it doesn't happen today or tomorrow, it will be weeks down the road.

BRANDON: You think from our side?

DOC: From our side. What happened over the weekend is likely to spur Trump and our allies to take some sort of action.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: They launched another missile. This was a -- this was yesterday. It was a asked you-type missile, and they keep increasing the technology and the payload that it can carry. The one over the weekend went into the Sea of Japan where ships come and trade. That's where it landed, clearly trying to intimidate them. And this has gotten more accurate and closer to Japan than some of the other ones in the past. Japan of course is pissed. They freaked out. South Korea is freaked out. They immediately called for an emergency meeting of the security counsel. Trump was speaking with them soon after it happened as well. The president of South Korea called for that emergency meeting. Now, Kim Jong-un has only been in power for six years. Okay? And he's already tested more missiles than his father and grandfather did combined. So his father Kim Il-sung tested 16 over his administration. His father Kim Jong-il tested 15. And Kim Jong-un, 78. 16 and 15 for their entire administration. Their entire rule, and he's done 78 in six years.

BRANDON: Maybe you can help me out on this because I'm very confused. After the sanctions were passed not long ago like in 2016, Kim Jong-un responded by building these high-rises in Pyongyang to make sure that everyone still knew he was the boss man; right? The problem is they didn't have the necessary materials for this high-rise. They actually had to skimp on a lot. In order to compensate, they went to people's residences and said give me your pots and pans, any kind of metal that you have so that we can actually put it into this high-rise.

BRAD: Melt them down.

BRANDON: Melting them down. If they didn't have anything to give, by the way, the fine them. So if they don't have the necessary materials build a high-rise in Pyongyang, how are they getting all of the material they need to throw into all of the missiles for all of these tests?

DOC: They're getting a lot of it from the black market but also over the years from China. China has been their up front trading partners. And I think part of the reason they're amping up now is China is caught. If they want to keep the money coming from the U.S. without us buying their cheap crap, they have to appease us a little bit. And that 38 parallel is not -- what do they care if North Korea became part of South Korea? It became a republic, a democracy. They're still right there. It's not going to be as big of a deal as it used to be. South Korea is already in the region. So they've been putting more economic pressure on North Korea saying we're not going to trade with you as much. They've turned back their coal ships, so North Korea is reluctantly to sell. Many experts say that they think the pace North Korea's on with building their missiles that they can reach -- could reach Seattle and carry one of their own built nuclear warhead before the end of Trump's administration. His first term.

BRAD: Well, that's what Kim Jong-un has said. The bigger gift packages to the United States is what they're working on. A bigger gift package to the United States after successfully launching that.

DOC: Either that's lost in translation.

BRANDON: A little strange.

DOC: Or is it being snarky or maybe turning over a new leaf. Sorry about that missile. I've got a big gift package for you coming. It's a nice fruit basket. It will have some CDs in it. How do you feel --

BRANDON: No, this is North Korea. They're still on tape.

BRAD: Cassettes.

BRANDON: I've got some mix tapes coming your way.

DOC: I've got some cassettes. I've made them myself. Kim Jong-un giving speeches of himself on tape. All of those classes that he took. You know. It's highly likely that North Korea was also responsible for that cyber attack, that malware one that hit 150 countries, a bunch of banks a couple of weeks ago. It looks like Russia may have got the technology from the NSA by hacking part of it. And then tried to sell it on the world stage. That's one of the allegations and were not successful. But that North Korea then put it into use. And North Korea has its own floor of people that do nothing but hacking, and they're really good at it. This is something we've known for a while. So if that's true, something they call malware exportation, it may be responsible for some of the past attacks, the one that was Sony a couple of years ago. This is now a national security threat by itself. And then the continued missile testing and the fact that they have nuclear capabilities. What are we going to do? Should we do anything? Is it actually a threat? Your calls coming up next on the Glenn Beck Radio Program.

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DOC: Doc Thompson for Glenn today. Joining me brag stags and also Brandon Morse as well from The Blaze. We do get to some of your calls, the aggressions, specifically the missiles that North Korea has launched in the few months onshore so. But let's go right to North Carolina and Henry. How are you? Hey, Henry, welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. How are you?

CALLER: Fine how are you?

DOC: Doing well. So what do we do about North Korea?

CALLER: Well, first of all, what we do is test our NATO allies, choke them off and see which allies are really with us. And it's a test for both worlds and the blockades have always worked throughout history. I haven't -- I don't recall one that did not work, so, to me, -- and then if it pushes them into the aggression, then they're the aggressors.

DOC: The sanctions that we put in place over the years have been somewhat effective. We've put them on the hook sometimes. But recently, we haven't. In fact, we have China saying we're not going to take their coal, they've turned back their ships, and then China is not trading to send them goods. So there are effectively blockades in place. Maybe not to the extreme you're talking about. And then secondarily, if it pushes them into being the aggressor, that makes us look better. But it still doesn't make us look better stopping the almost 30,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, Seoul, Japan, it still doesn't deal with the problem, does it?

CALLER: Well, if China has them cut off by land, they're cutting off the gas supplies and whatnot, then the last thing left is cutting them off by sea. So my thinking would be that if we cut them off in both areas, and we are walking hand and hand with China so to speak and then like I said, NATO is a big issue right now, and we test to see who would like to send a ship or two to also help because the world needs to take on the problem. But we need to take a lead.

DOC: Henry, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate it.

BRANDON: My problem with this is that Kim Jong-un is a vindictive person. When he feels like he's been slighted or if he feels he's been made to look weak, he reacts in very odd ways. Like I said earlier, he built a whole series of high-rises in Pyongyang with money that he doesn't have. If the world gangs up on him, his mentality, the Juche mentality that all North Koreans are hammered with will kick in, and he'll pretty much lash out on everybody.

DOC: Well, he's a crazy man.

BRANDON: He's insane.

DOC: Let's go to Bill in California. Bill, you're on the Glenn Beck Radio Program. How are you?

CALLER: Yeah, this whole thing with the missiles. Number one, I think they're giving us free targets to practice our antimissile capabilities. Only downside is if they fail, then these people are going to go, oh, we can't do that because we'll look bad. I think we should just take advantage of that and use that we do have ships over there, et cetera. The other thing is President Trump needs to -- he's already talking to Japan and South Korea, and they need to tell these people just like they did with NATO. Look, all of this is costing us a fortune. The ships, the men, the missiles, everything. And you guys if you want us to help you, we need some financial help or some kind of help that's real. You know, some real materials or whatever it is because we're broke. We're 20 trillion in debt and growing.

DOC: Well, Bill, I get that. But how do we -- first of all, should we take some sort of action at this point? Based on their --

CALLER: Yeah, this guy just like you just said. You know, he's vindictive. This guy is not going to change.

DOC: So we have to go in and nip it. Just take out the snake.

CALLER: We have to because it's like a -- it's like the PLOs and the Israelis. It's going to go on forever. But this guy isn't going to wait forever.

DOC: Do you say that based on America's national security. Is that your motivating force here?

CALLER: Well, it's not just ours. We have obligations to our allies. Okay. You've got this gun, and you've built all of this stuff up and now you're going to do nothing? Because all we've had so far is just lip flapping, so to speak. We're saying this and that and the other but no action, and we need some action. And it's, like. Okay. Everybody's afraid of World War III. Well, you know, this guy is shooting missiles. And it's, like, he's threatening, and he has to be stopped.

DOC: Well, the reason I ask that -- the reason I ask your motivations, and I agree with you with those points as well. Thanks so much for the call. The reason I ask that, the DMZ is about two and a half miles wide, and it is one of the, if not the most fortified border on the planet. North Korea has amassed, aside from nukes and aside from missile technology, they have amassed guns, robotic launchers, I mean, it is on that border. All 150 miles coast to coast. It is just lined. It is thick. Seoul is 30 miles or so from the DMZ. Pyongyang isn't that much from the other side. They can easily kill tens of thousands of people in Seoul. Soul has about 20 million people. More than New York. New York has about 7.5 million or so in the city in the metropolitan tin area, so 15 total. It's more populated than New York, just to give you some perspective.

If we go in and American soldiers die, and I think there's about 30,000 in South Korea, we don't want any American soldiers to die. But at least soldiers know that they're in there and can be called upon at any time to fight. But the other Americans that are there and the South Korean's who are a partner, they're going to die. There are going to be people die. So I don't know if we can stop them from dying. But then again, if you say this is going to get really bad, and they could hit Seattle, you know, by the end of Trump's first term with a nuke and the guy is crazy enough to do it, and then you've got all the malware attacks and whatever, how long before they release something that shuts us down? And think about this, folks, if we have a disruption in our Internet capability. It doesn't even have to be electronic. If we have that for a day, Americans will wig out.

BRAD: Yeah, 20 minutes without Internet. Those commercials.

BRANDON: The economy will take a hard dive too. I mean, it will. That's a lot of where our business is right now.

DOC: Right. We've learned. And remember, the attack on 9/11 wasn't just about fear and the 3,000 people who died and the planes and the buildings. It was also an economic attack. Do you know how much damage they did with that alone? That's what terrorism does. It hits on all those fronts. There was a time I think three years ago or so where the EBT card system, which is just the electric benefits, electric food stamps --

BRANDON: Oh, I remember this story.

DOC: They're on, like, credit cards. It went down in six states for, like, ten hours or whatever it was for a Friday or Saturday.

BRANDON: I don't even know if it was that long.

DOC: A few hours.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: It was chaos. People were looting. And I don't mean in the ghetto and the poor. It was average places that people said to hell with it if I want to swipe, I'm going. And the stores said we better let them go. That was just a few hours in six states. Imagine that not even the course of a week or two just a couple of days for awe of our Internet, technology, credit cards, or whatever. Think about what it does to all of us. It stops all plans we have. It stops us from booking flights, getting money out of the bank, people wig out, civil disobedience, the economy. If they unleash something like that.

BRAD: Our last caller said that they're giving us a lot of targets for antimissile system. The system has worked in fewer than half of its previous nine tests. So we're not doing real well on that front either.

DOC: We've tested some missiles recently as well, which is back and forth kind of a tit for tat. And we've got one now I think today there's a test that is specifically an intercepter one. If the missiles we will test today if we can hit somebody, it's if we could block a missile from coming in.

BRANDON: Didn't the IDF perfect this technology? I mean, their whole dome idea --

DOC: The iron dome.

BRANDON: Yeah, they can easily catch a missile in midair.

DOC: I don't know how perfected. But they've tested it, and it has worked. Let's get some calls. (888) 727-Beck. Let's go to Chris in Florida now. Chris, how are you?

CALLER: Oh, I'm fantastic. I love your discussion this morning. And, in fact, I've meet you before.

DOC: It was exciting, wasn't it?

BRANDON: He's tall.

DOC: Thank you so much. What do we do about North Korea?

CALLER: Well, I think we need to make it simple for everyone. The lesson of Neville Chamberlain is blatantly obvious. We cannot cower to bullies. Being nice to dictators doesn't ensure safety, in fact, it results in larger consequences later on. So the appeasement medal in Albright accomplished under previous regimes has essentially made them more powerful in their belligerence, and we have to let them know.

DOC: Is North Korea now at some point where we do something? And is North Korea different from other places that are bad that could be a threat? Even Iran I think is a step behind with their nuclear development. Is North Korea at that level now in your mind?

CALLER: Oh, absolutely. And I think we need to be consistent in our behavior and do this wherever we find bullying. We can't cower with bullies. It's as simple as that. You can't trade with people who are taking captives and doing bad things. You don't give them more tools so that they can do worse later, and that's exactly what we've done in North Korea. We have to stand up to them because the side effects are going to be worse. The collateral damage is going to be even worse. The more he learns and the more he finds it useful as a tool.

DOC: Well, listen, Chris, I appreciate your call this morning. And I agree with bullies, which is the reason I gave James on camera a noogie.

BRANDON: I took Jason's lunch money.

DOC: Well, you may be the problem. Let's go quickly to Pennsylvania to George. Good morning, sir. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

CALLER: Hey, Doc. The earliest how I see it is what is the longer term gain for North Korea by having a war? It seems to me that there is bigger benefit for them to be having a threat of using a weapon, unless they are in conspiracy with other countries that if you take a look at North Korea, what are they? They're nothing. And besides that, you talked about before about China turning back their coal, there's not. There have been reports that the coal trucks and the coal trains are rolling across the border anyway. The ships may be turning back, but they're going back over land. And so what is the benefit of North Korea having a war? I don't see it unless North Korea is just going to be the sacrificial punching bag where North Korea is the one that launches the EMP or the nuke or something like that.

DOC: So do you think we're okay right now, and we should just kind of ride this out a little bit?

CALLER: I think we should show strength. I think we could throw a few more sanctions on them. This is not a show of weakness. This is not a Neville Chamberlain moment. I think it's more. They've got more to lose by not having action.

DOC: Do we have the responsibility to people of North Korea that are being tortured to the inth degree?

CALLER: To a degree, yes. But we do not need to go charging in there to save them at our boys expense. It is not so much our problem, unfortunately. I don't want to come off as being heartless to those people. But there are some problems we can't solve.

DOC: I agree with that, George. Thank you so much for the call. I appreciate it. That makes a lot of sense. As far as sanctions, I don't know how much more you can do. But North Korea really is a suicide bomber.

BRAD: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's assigning logic to North Korea.

DOC: And he's crazy. Kim Jong-un is crazy. You can't be raised in that environment to believe all of this stuff and not, you know, be sizing things up. You've got yes-men around you that tell you that you're great. He's essentially a suicide bomber, and he doesn't know it.

BRANDON: Yeah.

DOC: He could kill tens of thousands of people.

BRANDON: Absolutely.

DOC: But he will be dead within hours. This is not a hold it out, we're going to have to hunt for him. He and his family and his regime, they will be obliterated. But the fear is that he will do a lot of damage beforehand. Back in a moment with more calls on the program. It's Doc Thompson in for Glenn

Beck.

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DOC: Secretary of Defense Mattis was asked about North Korea, and he said a conflict with North Korea would probably be the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetime. The bottom line is it would be a catastrophe, a catastrophic war if this turns into a combat. If we're not able to resolve this situation through diplomatic means. A bunch of people are going to die. It's going to be pretty rough. But they also asked on face the nation, they asked Mattis what keeps him up at night. Did you -- listen to this.

VOICE: What keeps you awake at night?

MATTIS: Nothing. I keep other people awake at night.

[Laughter]

BRAD: That's --

DOC: It almost sounds like a stop line. I am the danger.

BRANDON: I am the danger.

DOC: Right.

BRANDON: I am the one that has --

BRAD: How long has he had that line just waiting?

DOC: An entire bucket full of sayings that he --

BRANDON: How many does he have? He's out there saying all sorts of stuff. I'm saying this with tears in my eyes. Don't F with me, or I'll cull kill you. That's awesome.

DOC: Almost like the --

BRANDON: He has a writer. He has a team of writers in the back also working on the "Fast and Furious" movies.

DOC: That should give you a little bit of confidence. But the point is, if this guy, I keep people awake at night is telling you North Korea is going to be bad if we don't do something militarily, that's something -- that's the guy you walk in -- no, we can kick their ass; right? No, this is going to be really bad for some people. It's not going to be good.

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'This is how I spend my vacation': Glenn gives behind-the-scenes look at new radio theme recording

If you have ever wondered where Glenn gets the music for his radio show or assumed he used pre-made stock music or cheap computer software, now you know, it’s the real deal. Glenn's vacation technically started this week, but that couldn't keep him away from his natural habitat—the recording studio—where he spent several hours working on an updated radio theme track with pro composer Sam Cardon and Millennial Choirs & Orchestras (MCO).

Glenn was looking for something that sounded more urgent, and from the preview Glenn shared, it sounds like the creative team nailed it. The epic score sounds like it would easily feel at home in a Lord of the Rings or Star Wars film.

The new theme will be on air at a future date, but if you can’t wait, make sure to watch the video for a sneak peak!

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Glenn's message to his son's birth mom: THANK YOU

‘I truly thank God for living in these times,’ Glenn says. ‘Look at the miracles that are happening,’ he adds, just moments after the Supreme Court ruled to overturn Roe v. Wade. No matter how much America changes, it’s still the greatest place on earth…and the Supreme Court victories we’ve witnessed in the last week — by justices who truly value the Constitution — prove it, Glenn explains. But there’s still work to be done. Glenn shares a story about his son’s birth mom — a teenager who decided to give her baby a chance to live — and he gives a message for us all: Now is a time for compassion toward ALL pregnant women, no matter the decisions they make...

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GLENN: You know, I -- I just walked outside. I have a barn here on the ranch. And it's where my broadcast studio is. And I just walked out to get some fresh air a few minutes ago. And it's -- this is a day that you will remember where you were. Whatever side you were on, you will remember this day. And I walk outside, and my son and another guy standing by this enormous tractor. And he is hitching it up to a trailer. Because they're moving a bunch of logs from one field to another, because they're building a corral. And I don't have my glasses on. And I'm looking. And I'm like, is that Raphe? And I can't -- I'm not sure. Because he's a man. This is the first summer, where he's up here. And he is a man. And it was an interesting thought to have about my son. Who now, in a couple months. Eighteen years ago. A very brave young teenager decided not to have an abortion. Decided that he had nothing to do with her mistake, or whatever happened.

And I remember we prayed so hard for a baby. And I felt almost from the beginning. That we were supposed to adopt.
And this is really hard for moms. Really hard. Baby not from her body. And I think as guys we don't understand that. Because I don't want anything coming out of my body. And if something comes out of my body, I'm not putting it in swaddling clothes, I'm telling you that. And we both wanted her -- how is this going to work? And there is something about God, that he is my son. And there is no difference between him and any of my other children. None. Zero. Not even a shadow.
Just by chance. If his birth mother happens to be listening or his birth grandparents happen to be listening, thank you. Thank you for giving this young man a chance to live. He is -- well, he's been a pain in the ass. But he's also my greatest joy.
We have to look at the things that we do now. Because there's a lot of -- she was 14, I think. Imagine being a 14-year-old. I remember she called her mom, because she -- she went to school. And she had to tell her mom. But she couldn't look her in the eye and tell her. So she called. Didn't know what her mom would say. And her mom was so great. She immediately said, come home, sweetheart. Come home. And they worked it out together what was going to happen.
People who fight for the right to abort children say, you know, who is going to take care of them? There's lots of us. Lots of us. Millions of us. Millions. Millions of us.
You know, today, Roe vs. Wade was -- it came to an end. Catholics would point out on the -- on the feast of the sacred heart of Jesus. And I doubt that they think that's just a coincidence. Because we know that the heart of Christ, I mean, the only thing he really got smoked at, was children. Being abused. It was clear, he liked children, much more, you know, than us adults. But then, again, I don't blame him. I do too. But we can't just think of the children today that are going to be saved, and then say, that's a good thing.
We have to think of the moms. And, you know, I'm like this with Christians who just really want to get people baptized. They don't really care. It's all about the number. You want to bring somebody closer to God, in baptism, that is a fantastic gift. Not from you. But from God. Fantastic. But no one is going to do that. If you don't actually love them. The people who -- the people who need salvation. They don't think anybody loves them. The women who are pregnant, most, not all. But most, who are pregnant. They feel trapped. They don't know what they're going to do. We have to be there for them. Not just during the time they're pregnant. But if they choose to keep the child. To help them. To support them.
You know, it's so funny. I guess we both give up on, you know, once the baby is aborted. Or the baby is saved. Then society auto both sides kind of just turns away. Planned Parenthood, are they concerned about the mental health? Because they deny it. No, no, no. People are celebrating their abortions. I don't think so. I don't think you can do that. And you may have felt like there was absolutely no way out. But at some point, that's going to -- it will haunt you. What could have been. Think about just the mistakes you will make in your life. And how they bother you. I shouldn't have said that. I mean, there were times in my life, where I said things to my mom, or whatever. I carried those things around for 25 years.
We have to have compassion for -- for all of these women. Now, if you're going to use this for contraception. I don't really -- I don't know how to talk to you. I'll try. But I don't know how I can relate. Because -- but I'm hoping most people aren't like that. I'm hoping that's the anomaly in our society. That just thinks, this is the way to have birth control. And one more thing on birth control.
Why is that still a prescription? I would like to say I'm not a doctor. But technically I am. But I'm not sure why that's still a prescription. Don't we know what that does? I mean, are we pretty sure? Yeah. That's what -- that's what happens. This is all it does. It's a pretty safe drug. Do we not just trust people to use only as directed?
I mean, we -- we trust people. I mean, I see stuff all the time. That says, do not drink. Okay. Well, it's turpentine, so I'm not going to drink it. But thank you for trusting me to know I'm smart enough not to do that. Don't put in eyes. Okay. I'm going to make sure that I don't put that -- you know, that cream in my eyes. Thank you. Good safety tip.
I mean, just making contraception over-the-counter. The pill over-the-counter. Would be helpful. Wouldn't it?
It's a lot better to have them get a pill over-the-counter, like that, than have our daughters or anybody else think about the abortion drug, that the FDA now will make sure that everybody can get. That thing is brutal. That is -- that's brutal.
Anyway, I truly -- as I go on vacation in a minute, I truly thank God for living in these times. It's -- would you live at any other time? I mean, I'm a little selfish. Because I'm a whiner. Absolutely, positively nothing before air-conditioning. Nothing before air-conditioning. I even would say, I want to still live in a time where all my meat comes from a counter on a little plastic, Styrofoam tray. Really, that's about as roughing it, as I want to go. I don't want to go past those two things. Indoor toilets. Yeah. But look at the times we live it in now. The miracles that are happening. The miracles of science. The freedoms that we do have.
I have a guy who is on my staff. He's from Scotland. And once in a while, he gets tired of me hearing, this country is just -- and he's like, come to Scotland. Come to England. He's like, I know it's not what it was. But it's still the greatest place on earth. And it is.
And just the victories, just this week. There's going to be more I think next week. Just the victories in the Supreme Court. And it's not -- it's not because of ideology. It's because the people who are put on the court now, actually respect the Constitution of the United States.
You know, Clarence Thomas and Kagan ruled together, on -- I don't know. Something with Medicare today.
What! I don't think they could agree on a dinner menu. But that's not because Thomas sold out. Or Kagan sold out. I know with Thomas, at least, that's because he believes that's what the Constitution says. And that's what is so great about it.
It doesn't cut your way every time.
You don't always win. You don't always get your way. Today is a great day. Praise God. Praise good we have taken this huge step today.
Lord, see your people. And keep them safe. And keep the people who are actually working in these pro-life clinics. Our judges. Our police. Our cities.
Please, keep them safe.

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Riots & White House defiance: What may come AFTER Roe ruling

Many members of the far-left already are calling for a ‘Night of Rage’ after the Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, and the White House has been discussing plans to defy the ruling too. In fact, one idea floated by Biden Administration officials, according to the New York Times, includes providing abortions on military bases. So, will America experience another summer of riots? Are YOUR taxpayer dollars at risk? And what does this mean for deep-blue states? Josh Hammer, legal expert and opinion editor for Newsweek, joins Glenn to discuss what may come next...

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GLENN: Josh Hammer, he's the opinion editor of Newsweek. He's the host of the Josh Hammer show. He is really quite brilliant. One of the leading minds in the conservative movement, I think. Josh Hammer joins us now.

To tell us, what did you find in this decision?

JOSH: Glenn, great to be back with you, on such a momentous, and really such an emotional day, honestly. So, you know, look, as you said, this dropped recently. Funny enough, I was in the middle of getting a guest lecture from an organization on the advisory board as to when it drops. So I barely had any time to kind of skim through, let alone guess the concerning dissenting opinions. But it looks like this looks very similar, to the draft opinion that was leaked, by the Politico story, a month and a half ago, in early May. And I think those of us who were praying that the five justices from this leaked draft opinion, would have the fortitude to stiffen their spines against this unprecedented assault. Now knows that our prayers were answered, Glenn. That's really my takeaway right now.

This looks a lot like the leaked opinion. Justice Thomas and Justice Kavanaugh have some reconcurring opinions.

But unbelievable. And really just holding aside the constitutional law stuff for a second hear. Just speaking as pro-lifers, on a day like today, I think we really just need to pause. And I tweeted this out earlier. We need to just be grateful for our half century of pro-life activist forbearers. You know, this -- Glenn, this issue could have gone away after 1973. That was a long time ago. 1973. I mean, this issue could have just gone away. We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the pro-life moral activist. Political activist. And, of course, yes. Legal activist. Who fought day in and day out, that makes sure this great injustice stayed front and center of our national, political conscience. And in many days, the culmination of a half century of fighting for truth and justice. But in many ways, it's also a new beginning for the pro-life fight as well, interestingly.

STU: How do you mean a new beginning for the fight? I just it's going to turn, I think we're going to see abortion turn even darker in those states that allow it. Is that -- is that what you're meaning by this?

JOSH: Well, look, for a half century now, Roe vs. Wade, and its project any, specifically, the Planned Parenthood versus Casey case of 1992.

They took away from the states obviously. They arrogated authority away from the states, the ability to attempt to nationally codify one view of the morality of abortion.

It happened to be a profoundly immoral view. So these -- the fight now shifts to the states. And the pro-life activists. And all the 50 states. Especially, obviously in red states. Purple states. I mean, admittedly some blue states like New York and California, probably won't be able to touch them there.

But we have to make sure that our side is well positioned in the state Capitols for every red, purplish, probably even light blue state, to make sure we fight for successful, cogent, and morally consistent pro-life legislation. The state of Oklahoma, actually, just north of Texas. Right where you are now, Glenn. They have been leading on this actually. Governor Kevin Stitt signed into law, a fantastic pro-life bill there in Oklahoma. A few weeks ago. Maybe a month ago or so at this point, that basically just bans abortion straightforward from conception. And there are some -- you know, obviously, likable the mother. So forth. But we really need to start thinking about trying to craft legislation now, at the state level. But to your point, I do fear that the blue states will only double down in their radicalism. Unfortunately within that will only lead to an ever greater divide, in our country, that we have today. But obviously, at the end of the day. We're going to save at the end of the day, millions and millions of unborn children. We are going to save human beings who can grow up to cure cancer, who can win Nobel prices.

I mean, this is just a tremendous win for the human species. I don't know how to say it other than that.

GLENN: I will tell you, I saw the stat, that I think it was last year or the year before. 20 percent of all pregnancies ended in abortion. 20 percent.

JOSH: Wow.

GLENN: That is -- that is a shocking number. And we do have our -- our work cut out for us. Because I -- I think that these states are going to double down. But I think, you know -- God doesn't waste anything. You know, there is no waste with God. Even the -- even the worst things that could possibly happen, turn out to be something good. You know what I mean? You're like, holy cow, how did that just happen.

And I think that evil is going to fully come unmasked. I'm telling you, Josh. I don't know how you feel about this. I think this could be the day of America's Kristallnacht. I can see these pro-life centers being burned to the ground today. They're calling for a night of rage around the country. I think evil is going to show itself. And that will scare the American people, hopefully.

JOSH: You know, I've been thinking about this a lot this week, actually. Because I've been bracing for a new kind of George Floyd summer of love, happening this summer. Coming to a city or suburb near you. Unfortunately, myself. Look, I live in Florida. I know, Glenn, you live in Texas. It is in moments like this, where I do think that where you live matters. And who your mayor is. Who your governor is, matters.

Because law and order and rioting and anarchy is not really a federal issue. It is to a limited extent. June 2020, Tom Cotton wrote this op-ed that was pretty controversial at the time.

I happen to agree with it. Where he said, quote, unquote, send in the troops. And there is some federal legislation from the reconstruction era that would justify that.

But most kind of quelling and quashing of anarchy does happen. Constitutionally speaking, at the state and local level. So at a moment like this, where I fear that you're probably not wrong. I take some solace. That Governor DeSantis is my governor. I think Texans should take some solace, that they are represented by -- by a Republican governor. The legislature there as well. So I -- I fear that you are right. I pray obviously, that no one -- it's hard.

I fear that it's something -- that something bad is happening. At the end of the day, of course. It does not mean that justices cannot do what they are supposed to do. So thank God they did that.

GLENN: So, Josh, have you looked into what the White House has been saying? The White House yesterday. In fact, do we have a clip of -- of this?

What the White House said yesterday, about the guns. And then they were turned to the -- the Scott us ruling, for Roe vs. Wade. Do we have that, please?

JOSH: Will the president accept this decision, even if he disagrees with it?

VOICE: I think it's going to come from the Supreme Court. So it's a decision we certainly are going to respond to. I'll leave it at that. Just like any other Supreme Court decision. Just like the one they did today on guns.

GLENN: So the White House won't say that they're going to accept it.

Which I don't think they will. They're talking now about taking doctors and moving them into places like Oklahoma or Texas, where abortions will be outlawed. And putting doctors on our military bases to perform abortions.

I mean, where does this go, when you have a government, that is in defiance of -- of one branch of the government?

JOSH: So there's a lot to unpack here. So we should start from first principles. The idea of judicial supremacy, and this is a peculiar thing, to say on a day like today, where such a pro-life victory has happened in Italy. But if we're going to be consistent here, the idea of judicial supremacy. The idea that the justices, have the sole and exclusive ability to interpret the Constitution for themselves. And no other Constitutional actor, in article one or article two, let alone the state. Has the ability to tentatively interpret it. That is erroneous. In fact, actually it was really Abraham Lincoln actually, who in the Dred Scott case, famously opposed judicial supremacy and flouted the Dred Scott ruling, at least as it pertains to everybody other than Dred Scott himself. I have actually argued, a former legal scholarship, in a law review article actually, that the Laconian view of how each branch of government should interpret the Constitution for itself, is correct.

Having said that. Having said that, there is a thing called prudence. And there is a thing called comedy. And in a moment like today, when it really does look like -- and I agree with you, that we are now bracing for riots through the streets. When the political rhetoric is at DEFCON one. When people are trying to assassinate Supreme Court justices. I think it would be -- at its bare minimum, a profoundly imprudent act. For the Biden administration, to try to undermine this ruling.

Now, what they might do, is they might try to kind of issue some kind of executive orders, or issue some regulations, that might try to kind of undermine it, at the edges here. But at the end of the day, the idea that this returns to the state. There's not really a whole lot they can do about that. Basically, at this point, throughout the country. Kentucky within West Virginia. Kansas. Whatever. If they want to go ahead and ban abortion, what can the Biden administration literally do about that? I mean, short of sending in the National Guard, to protect Planned Parenthood, if the state legislature of Kentucky goes ahead and bans it. There's not a whole lot they can do. And it's very difficult to envision a world, in which the Biden administration literally sends in troops to red states, to protect Planned Parenthood, if that state legislature goes ahead and bans it. So for practically speaking. This is a lot of tough talk and rhetoric. Obviously the campaign here in 2022. There's not really a whole lot that practically speaking, they can do to actually prevent red and purple states from enacting pro-life legislation.

GLENN: I'm glad to -- I'm glad to hear that. I know that they have been working on things. I mean, he has said, you know, there's executive orders, that I can employ. There are things that I can do. He's talked about a national public health emergency. Which I think is just -- is crazy. But I would hope, that the president would come out and say, we strongly disagree with this. And you're right. The court is not the end all. But the court did not end abortion. It just said, the people should decide. I think that's the best kind of court ruling, on any of it. The people should decide what this is. And send it back to the states. Josh, I thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Was there -- there was another ruling, that came out today. Was it important?

JOSH: Oh, no. In comparison to this. A total nothing burger. A 5-4 decision on Medicare reimbursement related. So nothing, honestly.

GLENN: Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Josh. Josh Hammer, opinion editor for Newsweek. And the host of the Josh Hammer show.

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