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Navy SEAL’s Mom Shares Her Secret to Raising Strong Sons

The best thing you can do while raising your son is to allow him to grow up to be a man, according to this Navy SEAL’s mom.

Karen Vaughn joined Glenn on radio Thursday to talk about her book, 'World Changer: A Mother’s Story: The Unbreakable Spirit of US Navy SEAL Aaron Vaughn,' and her family’s experience raising strong, resilient kids on a farm.

A small-town boy from Tennessee, Aaron Vaughn was one of 30 Americans who died aboard Extortion 17. The tragedy in August 2011 marked the greatest single loss of Navy SEAL lives. After their son’s death, Aaron Vaughn’s parents decided they would continue his legacy of protecting the American way of life.

In her book, Karen Vaughn wanted to share her family’s story with the hope that it would help other parents trying to raise kids who are willing to face their fears. She told a story on Thursday’s show about how 10-year-old Aaron learned from facing down the most intimidating cow on their family farm.

“I stood back and let him do it, and Aaron did,” Vaughn said.

She explained that sometimes not interfering was the best thing she could do as a parent, stepping back when her husband needed to teach their son about manliness.

GLENN: I want to introduce you to Karen Vaughn. She is -- she is a mom of a U.S. Navy SEAL who was part of an operation -- what was it?

KAREN: The helicopter's call sign was Extortion 17.

GLENN: Extortion 17. That's what I thought it was. And I thought, it couldn't be extortion.

KAREN: Yeah.

GLENN: Extortion 17.

If you have anything to do with Navy SEALs, military, you know Extortion 17 as one of the worst days in the history of SEALs. More SEALs were lost in that one day than ever before.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: You want to talk just a little bit about that.

KAREN: Yeah. It was the single largest life in the history of naval special warfare single largest one-day loss in this entire war actually. And, you know, on that Saturday morning, unfortunately, we found out that our only son, our first-born child was part of that disaster. And it's been a life-altering experience. Those men were brave, fearless American warriors who were rushing into the battle to assist Army rangers who had been in a gunfight for three and a half hours. And their helicopter was shot down just before they touched down, killing every single person on board.

GLENN: So you didn't know -- I mean, there's a reason I have you on. And I'm doing an hour with you tonight on television. And I -- I invite you to watch this. Because there's a reason I had Karen on. There's a lot of people that can tell these remarkable stories of heroism. I mean, the stories of heroism from the guys who survived and didn't survive, they're -- they're just -- they're plentiful. They are plentiful.

And they're stirring, each one.

But the reason why I wanted to have you on, Karen, is because of what you did with that experience. It's very different than just simply telling a story of a great hero.

You chose a different path.

KAREN: I did. You know, after Aaron's death -- it's going to make me emotional to say this. Because you're kind of a rock star in our family. You were to Aaron, and I want you to know that. He absolutely loved everything you did. And we did too and have listened to you from day one.

GLENN: Thank you.

KAREN: But, you know, what I realized after Aaron died was, he gave his life for me, fighting a battle kinetically to protect and preserve the American way of life. Not a government. Not a piece of land. But a way of life.

And my husband and I have dedicated our lives to fighting culturally, as you do, to protect the same. We feel like it's the at least we can do to spread the message across this country that America is worth fighting for. It's worth dying for. And that it's up to all of us inside the boundaries of this nation to protect and preserve in -- in the interior of this nation, what so many are giving their lives for, to protect and preserve from the exterior of the nation. So it just became a calling on my life.

GLENN: So it's amazing to me, Karen -- I'll speak to millennials -- and they don't -- you know, it's hard for people my age to really come to grips with, they didn't know America prior to 9/11.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: So they don't -- they don't know her real promise.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: And so many rights are starting to just slip away. And, you know, I talk to people our age, and I'll say, "The western way of life is in real jeopardy. It's about to slide under into tyranny of some form."

And people our age understand it.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: Millennials don't really understand it.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: Your son -- you know, the book is called world changer. And what you started to do was right a book for his children so they knew dad.

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: But then you realized, wait a minute. This is actually a parenting book. Tell me about that.

KAREN: It was an interesting thing. Because as you said, I knew -- his babies were only two years old. Not quite two years old, Reagan was, if that tells you anything about my son's politics. And Chamberlain who was only 9 weeks old when Aaron left this earth.

GLENN: That's funny.

KAREN: You understand, right?

GLENN: Yeah.

KAREN: So -- so, you know, I wanted them to be able to pick up stories of their father's childhood in every stage that they would go through. You know, their dad is not here to tell them what it was like when he was ten or what it was like when he was 14 or when he learned to drive. So I wanted to be able to know their dad's story. And that's how it started.

GLENN: Gosh, how hard was just that, going through the scrapbook of your mind?

KAREN: Oh, my -- yeah, that's it. And it was a gut-wrenching experience. It took a long time because I continuously had to put it down because I was just emotionally overdone.

GLENN: Oh, I bet.

KAREN: Well, then just out of the blue, a friend of mine asked me to speak to a mom's group down in south Florida, not far from my home. And she said, I want you to teach people how to raise a world changer like your son. And I was like, wow, I don't think I did that. I thought God did that. You know, because Aaron was a devout believer. He loved Jesus. You know, his whole life revolved around his faith in God.

And so I just always saw it was something God did. And then when I started just evaluating basic principles of parenting and started talking to moms about this, I realized this culture did not have those foundational tools that, Glenn, you and I had growing up or raising our families. And all of a sudden, I was like, wow, I did do something -- it didn't seem fantastic to me or extraordinary to me. But in today's culture, they're extraordinary tools.

GLENN: It is. It is.

KAREN: And so I just sort of thought, wow, I'll go back through these stories, and I will weave the teaching principles into every single story. And that's what I did.

And my oldest daughter and I wrote 18 tiny chapters in the back of the study guide where moms could sit down together in groups or even dads and go through principles of how to raise strong formidable kids who don't need safe spaces on college campuses. Kids that are willing to run in the direction of whatever it is God calls them to do with their life, instead of running away from it in fear or cowardice. Just kids who can take what life deals them.

You know, and it was quite a project, working with one of my children, to write a book about parenting.

GLENN: I bet. I bet. I bet.

KAREN: It was kind of funny, you know. And we had to go away and, you know, butted our minds together and just said, what did I do right? You know, my husband and I. Not me. But Billy and I. What did we do right, Tara? What did we do wrong? And so we put all those principles in the back and just loved it.

GLENN: What was the biggest thing that you get to now and say, had no idea, but, wow, were we lucky we did this and people should do this?

KAREN: The first thing that comes to my mind is as a mom, wow, was I lucky that I caved to the concept that my husband wanted to raise a man. It's that simple.

You know, in our society, I believe one of the biggest breakdowns in our homes right now is this role reversal and this constant striving of women to believe that they have to be everything that a -- I know this sounds -- this is such a broad thing. And I know it needs to be a little more narrow than this, but there's a lot to talk about here in our culture, you know, where we are constantly telling men, you have to be more like women. You have to be more like women to fit into this society. And, you know, I was married to a rugged farm boy who had no intention of conforming our son to my -- you know, and I say in the book, I tried to fight that every way I knew -- I was a 19-year-old mom, Glenn, when Aaron was born. And so I tried to fight it every way I could. I entered him in the Troy Tiny Tot Beauty Review. And he won it.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

KAREN: But he never forgave me for it, you know.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

KAREN: While Billy was constantly busy teaching Aaron that he could overcome unimaginable obstacles, obstacles that seemed too huge for him. He would have him out there helping him cut trees on our farm, helping him give birth to calves. You know -- you know, things like that.

And I tell a story about White Cow, this cow who literally terrorized our children on our cattle farm in Tennessee. And this cow -- Aaron was terrified of this cow. He wouldn't walk out the pasture with it. And Billy one day, instead of letting Aaron cower in fear to this cow, he said, I'm going to tell you what, you're going to stand at the fence right now. And when White Cow -- I'm going to herd the cows in. And when White Cow confronts you, if she charges you son, you've got to punch her in the nose. I'm sitting there thinking -- Aaron weighed like 60 pounds soaking wet. You know, he's about ten years old, I think. And I was like, you're going to do, what? But he let Aaron do it. I stood back and let him do it. And Aaron did.

White Cow sure enough charged Aaron that day. And he rared back in a nerve-defying -- like a nerve-racking defiance and just punched that heifer in the nose. Well, you know what he learned that day -- and White Cow, you know, she snorted and snarled at him and took a step back like she couldn't believe what happened, but then in submission she went in the pen. And Aaron learned that day that there was no challenge too great for him. And this is what drove him to become not only a Navy SEAL, but all the way to the pinnacle at Seal Team 6. Those are the things. And I say the greatest principle I can teach any mom is let your husband raise a man. It's hard not to interfere. But let him raise a man.

GLENN: I was always afraid to have a son. Because I didn't have a dad that did any of the typical dad stuff. And had a hard relationship with my dad for a long time.

And so I was terrified of raising a son.

KAREN: Yeah.

GLENN: And I have three girls.

KAREN: Yeah.

GLENN: And I do not know how to raise girls. I am horrible at raising girls. I don't know how many times my wife will look at me like, what the hell is wrong with you? What are you saying?

I'm like, what? What? Yes, the skirt makes her look fat.

No. What are you doing, you imbecile

But I see it with my wife with my son. Men speak the language of a boy. Women speak the language of a girl. And if you don't honor that language and honor that there is a difference there --

KAREN: Right.

GLENN: -- I mean, your kids will be lost.

KAREN: You're right.

GLENN: They'll just be lost.

KAREN: You're right.

GLENN: What was the thing that you found out that you did wrong?

KAREN: That's a hard question. No one has ever asked me to evaluate that side, Glenn.

Wow. You know, gosh, I'm not like I'm flawless. But if I tried to single out one thing -- I don't know. Maybe it was that -- maybe it was that I resisted things for so long. You know, that I tried so hard to resist. Speaking specifically about Aaron, not with our daughters, but maybe I tried to resist so much that forging that a man has to do with his son, if a boy is going to turn out right. You know, I did resist it for a long time.

And like I said, I'm thankful that I caved. But that's the first thing that comes to my mind, is I really did try to resist that. And if I could just speak to women out there who are raising boys, stop resisting. Let your -- let your husband have that role in his -- in his son's life. And let him be to him what he needs to be, you know, and stop trying to turn both of them into women.

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GLENN: As you see the world and where we're headed and where we're headed I think with war, where we're headed culturally, where Europe and everything is headed and the lack of leadership, how do you feel about your son's sacrifice?

KAREN: That's hard. It's really hard. I -- you know, we have -- we have a -- I'm not trying to plug our organization. We have an organization where we mentor kids whose fathers have died during this war.

Not long ago, we had about 30 kids sitting in front of my husband, as he was, you know, closing out the camp and their moms, the widows were behind them. And my father said -- my husband said to those little kids, he said, I want you to know your fathers didn't die for a government -- like I said earlier. He didn't die to seize anybody's land. They died for an American way of life -- or, for a way of life, the American way of life. And, Glenn, we are watching that slip through our fingers.

And I feel like every day I have an obligation to honor the sacrifice that not only Aaron has made for me, but so many others throughout history. And I feel a compelling desire to -- to reach into the homes right now and say we got to shake this loose and shake this up and understand what we've given up. Where we are today. And where we need to go into the future, whether before it's too late. And you will never convince me it's too late because that means Aaron died for nothing. And you will never convince me of that. He died for the American way of life. And I'll fight. I'll fight to reinstill those values in American culture with my last breath.

GLENN: It will not be men who save the earth. It will not be women who save the earth. But I am convinced that it will be mothers and fathers that save us from ourselves.

One last question: What's -- what is the -- what is the thing your son taught you?

KAREN: That's easy. How to be strong. Aaron's death didn't make me weak. It made me strong. It really did. Because I started employing the principles in my life that he employed in his. Aaron never took a break. He never said I'm too tired to go fight the fight. He never said that.

And so you know my life has taken this crazy turn in the past -- we're coming up this Sunday as the sixth year anniversary of his death. And I've lived a very different life than I lived before Aaron died.

And many times along the way, I've thought, you know, I'm too tired. I'm too old. I'm too weak. I'm too frail. I'm too this. I'm too that. And every time, it's just his voice whispering in my ear -- Aaron was an encourager. You can do this, Mom. Just keep walking.

GLENN: I want to let you know that I believe there is something on the horizon that is very important that I just feel is coming and that is a movement of moms unlike we have seen before. And I wanted Karen to be on TV tonight to spend an hour with you and with moms. And talk about changing the world just by raising good children. If you're struggling and you would like some help or you want to know how to spread, join tonight at TheBlaze.com/TV at 5 o'clock. The name of the book is World Changer: A Mother's Story. The unbreakable spirit of U.S. Navy SEAL Aaron Carson Vaughn, by Karen Vaughn, his mom. Thanks, Karen. Appreciate it.

KAREN: Thank you.

Glenn Schools CNN: Why America is a REPUBLIC, Not a Democracy
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Glenn Schools CNN: Why America is a REPUBLIC, Not a Democracy

CNN recently asked Trump supporters about America’s “democracy” and were terrified to discover that they believed we’re not a democracy, but a republic. Well, sorry CNN, but that’s true, no matter what the “experts” claim. Glenn breaks it all down for them and explains why our Founders chose to combine the principles of a republic and a democracy to create the system we have now…or do we? Glenn explains how our system of unelected, faceless bureaucrats is the real danger, not Trump supporters…

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GLENN: I have some -- some breaking news from CNN. We apparently are not a republic.

Now, I want you to listen to the -- please, I haven't said this in a long time. But just about everything pisses me off so much, and I can't believe it, that I've kind of have given up on my head not exploding.

But I guarantee you, your head will explode on this CNN clip.

So please, wrap your head tightly in duct tape. It will explode.

But at least you will have all the pieces that way, when you walk in, they will be like, oh, another head explosion.

And you will have all the pieces, so they can stitch you back together.

But your head will explode on this. Here's the latest from CNN.

VOICE: President Biden's House's re-election campaign is a fight to preserve democracy. If you ask some Trump supporters, the former president is not a threat to democracy, because the United States is not a democracy.

VOICE: Obviously, there's a lot of criticisms of Trump, that he is bad for democracy. That he's bad for American democracy.

VOICE: We are a republic. We are not a democracy.

VOICE: We are a republic, we're not a democracy.

VOICE: One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months. Is that America isn't really a democracy.

VOICE: America is not a democracy. It's a republic. .

VOICE: Look, it's not a democracy. Democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.

VOICE: America is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy.

VOICE: Here's the expert.

VOICE: I've had heard a lot of conspiracy theories, I hear a lot of things out on the road. But to hear Americans, people who describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy. That stopped me in my tracks.

GLENN: Right.

VOICE: You were hearing people say America is not a democracy because there are people around Trump who want them to be saying that. Who have planted that narrative.

GLENN: Okay. They've been planting that narrative. Continue on. Please. Play some more if there's more. Oh, you have to get to the end. See if you can get to the rest of it. Where they go back and talk to people and they're saying, you're wrong. We're not a republic.

And they make this into a giant scandal.

We are a republic!

And to the republic, for which it stands! Okay?

Here's the problem, people don't understand what the difference is between a democracy.

We are a democracy, on voting day.

One man. One vote.

You go in. And you use the democratic principle of one man, one vote.

And you democratically elect people to their position.

But what you're not doing is voting on every single law.

You are voting for a representative.

That representative represents you in the republic. A republic has people -- understands that people can't understand every single issue and be voting on every single issue. A republic also understands that a democracy is bad. A -- democracy-only country will every time. Because all you need is to whip enough people into a frenzy. Schedule a vote. They'll vote, the way you want them to vote. It will bring you things like the Patriot Act, when something bad happens, people will be like, we've got to stop all those Japanese! Let's put them into a camp!

Okay? You have a republic to slow the process down and give reason a chance. Can you imagine this country voting on every single issue? When they don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy? And when you have media, that is going to experts -- so-called experts. And telling us, that we're -- we're not a republic!

A lot of time was spent with the Founders trying to find the best system. They ruled democracy out, because they always fail.

So they took the democratic principle, which is one man, one vote. Used that to select representatives.

We are a representative republic. And that you have to be able to explain that to people.

You have to understand, look, democracy is a very important part of our republic. But it is not what we are.

We are a democratic republic. So we vote for the people to represent us. Why is the democracy part so important?

Well, the democracy part is really important because what was the war in heaven, all about?

If you go back and you read your Scriptures and you look at the war in heaven, what was it about?

It was about Satan saying, I'll cleanse all of them. You don't need anything, but me. I'll go down, and I will tell everyone, what they're supposed to do and keep them from sinning.

I'll keep them safe, and they won't make any decisions on their own. I'll tell them they can only do these things. Then Jesus stood up and said, no. They must have freedom of choice.

And so, I will go down, and atone for all of their mistakes.

So the very first thing, in the -- the very first argument, in all of the Scriptures, the first argument was over free choice.

Do I have someone make all the decisions to keep me safe, and free from all harm?

Or do I have a savior, that will rebalance things and make sure that you're clean enough?

Because no one can be clean enough!

No one will ever be perfect on earth!

Unless, Satan would say, somebody tells them exactly what they can and cannot do.

Well, that is a misunderstanding of human nature. That is a misunderstanding of God's nature.

So one man, one vote. Yes! Very important.

But then take human nature into account!

Human nature is to just go with their feelings. That's a bad idea. So the whole Constitution is written, to restrain the government, so they cannot make every decision for you, like they're trying to.

This is when people say, government thinks it's God.

Government is their God.

Yes, it is!

Because they want it to make all of the decisions for you. Does that sound like the plan of Jesus? Or the plan of Satan?

So you elect the representatives. They answer to you.

This is why they're the one that holds the purse.

Congress is supposed to be the only one that can initiate pending.

But these people who claim they're for democracy, are just spending it in any way.

It doesn't matter. They hold the purse. They're the closest to you. They're elected every two years.

Why? Because you need to be able to tell your representative, no! That's not what we want. That's why every bill of spending, everything, needs to start with Congress! But what happened to Congress? Why isn't Congress doing everything?

Well, they'll say it's because of the Republicans and the Democrats. No. It's because no one in Washington wants it to work that way! They want to be able to issue dictates! Dictate. Dictate. That's the root word of something else. Oh! A dictator.

They want to issue either an executive order, which is part of the American republic, but they were never meant to be used like this.

All the things that are going through executive order now, are the responsibility of Congress and the Senate!

They were never -- we were never to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats, that no one elected. You want to talk about back to democracy, the EPA.

The ATF. The -- the housing people. The -- the Fed! All of these things, that you never elected. You never elected any of those people. And it's okay if they are hired to be in there to make the system work. But instead, they're making the rules, which become laws.

Only Congress can make laws. But we don't do that anymore. That's why we have to restore the republic. Democracy is happening. And democracy is very important.

But we have to restore the republic. Because the republic part of our democratic republic is broken!

Oh. These -- the -- the lies and the lies from not only the media, but the so-called experts, when are we going to stop listening to these experts?

Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Because the rest of that CNN report, went on. And went back to the people who said, we're a republic. Not a democracy.

And then they couldn't understand. They couldn't define what a republic was.

Well, you're of no help.

You're of no help. That's why we have the experts.

Don't claim something, if you don't -- all knowledge. All information. Everything you believe must be yours.

And it must be purchased at the price, that apparently is too high for somebody -- some people to pay. Most Americans to pay. The price you have for your opinion, is it is your opinion, that you have done some sort of research, you've done some sort of thinking on this. And you haven't taken it from a boob like me, and just, oh, yeah. He said it. And it sounded really good. So we are a republic not a democracy. You can't take what I have spent my lifetime learning and studying, you can't take it from me.

It must be your own. It's like a testimony of God. If you don't have a testimony, that is yours. If you are feasting on somebody else's, you're doomed.

Okay?

It won't work. It will break down. And people will say, well, wait a minute. What about this or this or this.

If you haven't thought of that, then you don't really have a testimony. If you haven't thought -- when I say, well, what is the difference between a republic and a democracy?

If you can't explain that, how do you think can't kids are going to explain it? How do you think you can possibly defend the United States of America?

If we don't know what our rights are, if we don't know why they were established.

See, this is -- give me. Give me a minute.

I'll come back in just a second.

First, let me take a minute here. A break. And tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

On June 8th, in a daring daytime raid, Israeli security forces rescued four hostages, held by Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

Some were being held in the homes of Palestinian citizens. A man named Aaron Zamora. Commander of the police special counterterrorism unit.

He was killed during the time rescue. Israel's ground campaign against Hamas continues. Even as Hezbollah is attacking them from the north.

The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has a pledge that they are asking Christians to take.

To stand with their Jewish brothers and centers. To never be silent. The first step in this, is to know why the Jewish people, and why Israel, even exists!

Why does Israel exist?

If you don't know the answer to that, then you're of no help.

Israel exists for one reason, this is just one reason. And that is so they can defend themselves!

Because everywhere Jews go, they end up being the scapegoat. And they can't defend themselves. Because the country will say, well, they're dangerous.

We need to disarm them. Well, no, no, no. We'll protect you.

Then they never do. At least if they have a homeland, they can defend themselves. Anyway, the pledge is to ask you to say, I understand never again. I understand never again is now. At all times. I understand what is happening in the world, and the evil that is happening.

And I, as a Christian, pledge to the Jews all around the world, by neighbors in Israel, everywhere. I will stand with you.

Will you sign this pledge? Go to SupportIFCJ.org. That's SupportIFCJ.org.

And take a stand today. Ten-second station ID.
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Now, let me ask you something: Why would people who say one man, one vote, is so important. Be the leaders on stealing votes.

Why would somebody who really, truly believes in democracy, also at the same time be saying, it's about the collective.

Why?

If you believe in the principle of democracy.

That's the individual, having a voice.

And we have that here in America.

That's part one of our republic. The individual has a voice.

Now, why does the individual have a voice? Because, again, back to the war in heaven. Christ said, I will atone for all of them.

Individually, it wasn't collective, we must. We can't earn it as an individual.

We can't earn it as a collective. But it was personal. An individual to each of us.

Okay. That's where we get all men are created equal. They are created spiritually equal. It doesn't mean they're born in equal families with equal opportunities. Or they'll have equal outcomes.

It means we all are the same in the spirit.

That -- that spark of life is the same in all of us.

And we all have the same rights, no matter what station you were born in. No matter who you are. You still have the same basic human right.

The Gnostics tried to make this into a 1 percent kind of deal. The Gnostics were like, well, not everybody is safe. I mean, those who know. They will be safe.

But not everybody.

This is why we're supposed to treat everyone equally.

This is why we're supposed to treat people like our brothers and sisters.

Because we literally are spiritual brothers and sisters of each other. And if we can get to a point to where we can see the spiritual spark in every human being, even when we meet them.

Even when we don't like them. Even if -- even if they're trying to destroy us. They are still that person! They're still a human being. My brother or sister.

This is why trials are supposed to be done. Justice is blind. Because you're not supposed to look at the R or the D, after their name. You're not supposed to look for the Trump or the Biden. You're supposed to look at the lay, and the claim of the breaking of the law. And the facts. And that's it!

With democracies, you get a mob.

And in the end, you always get the collective. Both of those are evil!

Control Freaks: The 'Scientific' Roots of Progressive Tyranny | The Beck Story | Ep 1
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Control Freaks: The 'Scientific' Roots of Progressive Tyranny | The Beck Story | Ep 1

How did unelected “experts” with their unwavering devotion to “science” rise to such power in American life? More than a century ago, an engineer named Frederick W. Taylor inspired progressive activists with a new concept he called “scientific management.” Future Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis took Taylor’s concept and married it with political power. Brandeis teamed up with President Woodrow Wilson and a powerful senator named Robert La Follette to give the nation an “expert” makeover that Americans were not asking for. This is the story of how a cult of expertise developed among progressives and how these “experts” took a sledgehammer to our constitutional system of government, with far-reaching consequences that still reverberate today. '

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Why Biden Won't Stop "Racist" Government DEI Programs, But Trump Would
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Why Biden Won't Stop "Racist" Government DEI Programs, But Trump Would

Former president Donald Trump has proposed an idea to abolish the income tax and replace it with more tariffs on foreign goods. Is this a good strategy if Trump wins the presidency? Sen. JD Vance gives Glenn his take: "We want to tax production less. We want to tax making stuff in China more...it's a really smart idea to reward [Americans] for making things." Plus, Sen. Vance details his proposal to dismantle ALL federal DEI programs: "The way that our federal government has interpreted [diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives] is to explicitly allow racist decision making."

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And J.D. Vance is on the phone with us. J.D. Vance, senator from Ohio. Also a short list. For Donald Trump.

I'm sure he's going to -- he's just dying to talk about that. Because they always are. Everybody on the short list. They're like, oh, please, ask me about that. So, go ahead.

Spill it. Spill the beans. Spill the beans.

J.D.: My favorite topic.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

J.D.: I said this, Glenn. I have not talked about Trump about it. Yes, I am aware that they're looking at me. And I think they're probably looking at 20 other people. And I'm sure they will make this decision. And if it's me, like I said, repeatedly, I would be interested in it, because I think it's important to help him. Because if he doesn't win this election, this country is in a tough spot. So that's pretty much it.

GLENN: Now, you were in the meeting with him yesterday, right?

J.D.: I was, yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. Because he said, the guy I'm going to pick is most likely in this room with us now.

J.D.: Oh, I didn't see that.

But unfortunately, for the oddsmakers, there were like 49 other people in the room. So it doesn't help.

GLENN: Yeah. So tell me a little --

J.D.: Yeah. Let me just sort of set the stage. One is a very positive meeting. You obviously have people who are more allied with the president and his agenda. You know, like me and Bill Hagerty and Marco Rubio and so forth.

And you also have people in the rooms, who are very -- you know, even in the last couple of months, have been very critical of the president.

And I think what you saw is just a recognition that we have to unify to the Republican Party. When there's an election.

GLENN: Thank you.

J.D.: And look, there are guys that are running, that I wish their primary opponents had won. And I wish we had a different candidate representing the Republican Party. But there isn't a single person running, at least in the Senate, who I would rather have as a Democrat take their spot.

The other thing that is really interesting, Glenn. You have to realize, the internal psychology of Republican senators right now. They're looking at every single one of these Senate ballots, in the polls.

Suggest that whether it's by five points or 15 points, our Senate candidates are running behind Donald Trump, in the core battle states. If we actually want to take back the Senate with a solid majority.

We need the president to help us close the margin between our guys and his margins.

And I think he will help us do that. As we get down the stretch here.

There's just a recognition here. That you happen into something, especially into this cycle. And if we can get that thing to reverberate to the benefit of our Senate candidate, we can win a major, major victory in the United States Senate.

GLENN: And he was -- he was really kind of conciliatory yesterday. He seemed to be in good spirits.

And, you know, recognizing that we -- you know, we don't all agree on everything.

At least that was the impression that I got from his conversation.

Would you -- would you agree with that?

JASON: Yeah. I agree with that, Glenn. He was extremely friendly.

He was obviously in a good mood. I think, you know, he made -- he was very friendly to Mitch McConnell, of course, who has not always been the best ally of Donald Trump.

He was friendly to everybody in the room. And, you know, he said like, look, even when we disagree, our disagreements pale in comparison to the Democrats.

And we're at this stage. And, you know, I've done this now, Glenn, twice. I've been in politics for two cycles. Where right now, we're sort of in the hurt feelings stage.

Where a lot of people who didn't win primaries, grassroots activists, donors, state chairmen and so forth, they're kind of frustrated. And they're exhausted from the primary season.

And they're not thinking about the future. And I just think, you know, Trump is maybe the only guy in the party who can kind of stand before everybody and say, look. Yeah. Maybe your guy didn't win. Maybe we haven't agreed on everything.

But now it's time to save the country. And to do that, we have to win.

GLENN: He said yesterday, that he was. And I'm going to get to something that you want to talk about. The DEI programs going away, which is so important.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll get to you in a second. But one more question on this meeting yesterday with Trump.

He said that he wanted to abolish the income tax, and replace it with tariffs.

J.D.: So that was not in our meeting. I think it may have been in another meeting that take. I saw the headline. That was not in our meeting.

Look, this is a fascinating proposal. And we can talk for a while about it.

But, you know, we have to sort of think about, when we tax something, we get less of it.

And we should ask ourselves. We have to raise revenues for the military. And Social Security and so forth.

GLENN: Correct.

J.D.: What do we actually want to raise revenues from? And my view would be, we want to tax production less. We want to tax making stuff in China more.

Well, that's what a tariff fundamentally does. Whether you get rid of the whole income tax. I think it's a really smart idea to say, we want to reward people for making things. We want to reward productive work. We don't want to reward making stuff in the home country of our chief rival.

And I think that's fundamentally where Trump's head is on this matter.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, I will tell you, I think if we don't take control of the Senate and the House and the White House, we're just going to be treading water at best.

If they win those, we are -- we are done.

They have -- they have put so many deadly fruit trees in all of our agencies, and all of our government.

That I just don't see us being able to survive it. The fundamental transformation will be finished, in the next term.

And you have introduced legislation to dismantle all of the federal DEI programs, from the federal government.

Thank you!

J.D.: Yeah. We have. And to your point about the Senate, Glenn, this -- the Senate, of course, we approved all of the political appointees. And if you want to root out the Deep State of the bureaucracy, you need political appointees who are aligned with the agenda.

And what this legislation does. I'm not an idiot. Joe Biden will not sign it, but Donald Trump would.

And what it would do is really destroy the diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracy that exists in our country. And people say, well, who doesn't like diversity, right?

Doesn't diversity mean, you have my Mexican restaurant down the street.

No. The way the federal government has interpreted this. Is to explicitly allow racist decision-making. Primarily targeting white and Asian-Americans. Now in the 21st century.

But explicitly racist decision-making. And contracting and hiring in the provision of grants. Some of these programs, by the way, have been held flatly illegal by the federal courts. For example, there was a farm program, that explicitly excluded white Americans from the provision of farm assistants to our farmers, and that's ridiculous.

You can't discriminate, whether black or white, against people on the basis of their skin color.

This would proactively root this stuff out of our government, and it's a very important first step to getting basic merit back in our federal system, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah, and I don't think even black farmers would -- would have wanted that.

I mean, maybe some would. But, you know, farmers rely on each other.

And they need to help each other.

Because, you know, if Bill's crop is down year. It might be my crop down this year.

We're all in this together. The last thing you want is now new racial barriers between neighbors.

Where he gets the help from the government, and we don't. It's not a good idea.

GLENN: It's not a good idea at all, Glenn.

And to your point about how black farmers feel about this stuff. If you look at public polling on this. What you consistently find is that black Americans.

And most Americans don't like racial quote as. They don't like racial discrimination. Whether it benefits them. Their group or harms their group.

One group of Americans that seems to really like racial quote as are very high education, white Americans.

GLENN: White. I know.

J.D.: That is the one group. That is the one group that seems -- by the way, they're not going to lose out, when the quota system comes out. Because they pull all the strings.

But they're not doing it for the good of the country. I think they're fundamentally doing it because they look down -- they look down on white Americans who don't have their same education status.

And a lot of -- one of my theories, Glenn. A lot of what is broken about America. High education whites who really hate low education whites.

And I think you see this as a main driver of a lot of very stupid public policy. And, frankly, a lot of very evil public policy in this country. So we have to root it out. That's what I'm trying to do.

GLENN: I mean, it's really -- I mean, this -- can it wasn't like this before. Because our education system was much more local. You know, and -- and not as -- you know, you didn't have all of the smart people, going to this one college. And so they were only surrounded by really, really smart people.

And then get married to the same kind of thinking. You know, you would have a great disparity in -- in education and experience in families.

All the time.

But now, the elites, they wouldn't marry into a farming family. They don't understand it. They don't like it, generally speaking.

JASON: No. That's right. Glenn, so there is this real classism, right?

I think that's a much bigger problem than racism in modern America. But it's actually made our American system much stupider. Because to your point, you know, the smart kids would be woo become doctors and lawyers and engineers. And the kids who didn't like school as much, would sort of do something else. Sort of everybody lived together and worked together. And the community kind of worked together.

When you silo people by education, what we find is that we send people to colleges, and they don't get good training in useful skills.

They increasingly get indoctrinated in how to be crazy people.

Even the educational institutions stop serving their function. When you stratify this thing in a way.

And I think you're seeing evidence of that in our country right now.

GLENN: What are the chances that this even passes?

I know Biden will not sign it. But you think it will even get passed?

J.D.: Look, I don't think it will get out of the Senate. I think the House will support this.

What we're trying to do is plant seeds. One of the things that happened in the 2016 campaign, is Republicans really expected Trump to lose. So when he actually won, there wasn't the foundational work that had been done, to make the -- the -- you know, just to pass a bunch of legislation.

GLENN: Good. Good.

J.D.: We're trying to do that. We're trying to set up the next administration for success.

And at the very least, have a debate about what kind of country we want. Do we want a country that discriminates based on race? I think the answer is no, and I think 90 percent of people agree with me.

GLENN: Do you believe that the -- the next administration can fire enough people, to make a difference in the Deep State?

BRIDGET: I do, Glenn. But it will be one of the most important fights.

I think the two things that hopefully President Trump does in his second term. And I know he wants to do. That will cause massive backlash from the media. We need to support a large number of illegal immigrants that have come here the last number of years.

And we also really need to root out the federal bureaucracy, to make it more responsive. To make it smaller.

But to make it really democratically accountable to the people elected president.

The media will howl about this stuff. They will call it fascism. They will call it every name in the book.

GLENN: It's the opposite!

J.D.: It's the opposite. Exactly. It's accountability.

That's the opposite of fascism. And, frankly, we have fascism at the bureaucratic level. Where people's lives are controlled by people they never elected, right?

That's not democracy. That's not the Republican form of government. So look, this is the most important thing structurally that we have to fix at the government.

I think Trump is committed to it.

And I think the question is: Do you have enough Republicans in there, who have the willpower and the courage to fight alongside of them? And I think that's the big question.

GLENN: I hope -- yeah, well, we have a lot of people like you, where when we did the Tea Party thing years ago, we didn't -- we didn't have -- we just didn't have the people in there, who really, truly had the foundation that they had been thinking about for a long time.

And I think we do now. We have a lot of really good people. We need more. But this is the best chance, of success, that I've seen in -- in a very long time.

The Tea Party turned out to be, you know, we were really fighting the -- the Deep State, in the Republican Party. And I think that one is on its last legs.
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J.D.: We need to win the fight, Glenn. If we don't, I think we could really lose our country.

GLENN: Yes. I agree. JD. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio. This is a good seed planting. Because DEI does need to go from all of our federal agencies and federal programs.

Thank you so much, J.D. Appreciate it.

Did Biden Have a Senior Moment In Front of G7 World Leaders?
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Did Biden Have a Senior Moment In Front of G7 World Leaders?

President Biden's appearance at the G7 summit is turning heads. One video that went viral on social media shows a dazed-looking Biden moving incredibly slowly while watching parachuters, and the Prime Minister of Italy even had to help him. Glenn reviews this senior moment, as well as some of the other ones Biden has had just in the past week! Plus, Glenn reviews Biden's latest announcements about sending even more taxpayer dollars to Ukraine.

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GLENN: Good thing the G7 you summit where all of the big leaders get together and, you know, have a powwow and talk about, what we're going to do to cause some more war and higher inflation!

They got together, and they were watching a -- just a fantastic skydiving event. That was done for -- for them. Now, remember, I just -- just remember, these are the ones that are always saying, global warming! Global warming!

So not only did they fly over in their own planes, to get together. But then, they sent an airplane up with people in it, to jump out, for their entertainment.

So I'm taking them seriously. But they're all standing there on an open field, watching these guys come down, except for -- except for Joe Biden.

He watches for a while. And then he decides, eh. Squirrel.

And he starts to meander and walk away from. And it's -- it's incredible footage to watch.

Because you can see none of the prime ministers or presidents, know what to do. As he just wanders off. He's facing the wrong direction.

And you see Prime Minister Maloney from Italy, she's the only one that gracefully knows how to get him out. She kind of backs out. And then grabs him. Like over here. We have cookies.

Who wants a cookie?

Look at cookies. Say cookie.

It is -- it is horrifying how bad he is.

And then he puts his glasses on, at twice the speed that it takes for him to sit down at ceremonies.

I don't know if you remember that footage, from earlier this week. Last weekend, where he was trying to sit down. Looked like he crapped his pants. He didn't crap his pants.

He was just deciding, should I sit down?

Or not? Maybe I should stand. Okay?

That's what was going true his head. He must know whether he was -- he started to sit town. Then he was like, oh, nobody else is.

You just stand up, man. You just stand back up. It's no big deal. We've all done it.

But he just froze. Like, I'm thinking.

When he's putting his sunglasses on, he's like, I have to lift my arm.

The pressure on my gun glasses enough, to keep them held up, so I can put them on now on my face over my ears. Done.

What do they -- honestly, what do they Jack him up with?

Because they've got to Jack him up with something.

Because there's no way. That's not the guy who speaks to us in like major interviews.

Or when he believes in to address empress, for the State of the Union. He's like, hey, man.

I have to tell you, everything is going great. I mean, save our economy is great. I don't know what they're putting him on, but that ain't Joe Biden. Yeah, shocking. Shocking.

JASON: The difference is shocking. In the interviews, he's with it. But when he gets on a stage. Maybe he's just allergic to stages. I don't really know what it is.

GLENN: Or in this case, it's a field.

JASON: Field. Yeah. It's that -- remember that, when he was just -- when he got stuck in that one facial expression!

When he was -- what was that event at the White House or whatever? For Juneteenth. It was stuck. It was like everything just stopped.

GLENN: Yeah. Can you play that?

Do we have that video from earlier this week? I'm not sure we still have that.

But that video from him from the Juneteenth celebration, that happened actually the last weekend. The weekend before was, I'm going to sit -- so it's once a week, we're getting these major things.

And he was standing at Juneteenth. And everybody was moving with the music and everything else.

That he had joker smile on him.

Go ahead and roll that, will you?

He had this joker smile on his face. No. That's not it.
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That's another great one too. He has this joker smile on him, that doesn't move.

He's like, I -- I am happy to be here. And everybody is happy. Jill told me to keep smiling. So I'm smiling. I'm smiling.

That's all I'm doing. Smile. Smile. Smile. She didn't tell me to move.

And smile. I'm just smiling. And not moving.

JASON: That's just creepy.

GLENN: It is creepy. He is -- you know who looks more LifeLock?

The audio-animatronic Joe Biden. It will be one in Disney, that's like, man, they nailed him! They didn't get better. He just always looks like he's an audio-animatronic.

JASON: Yeah. I don't want to guess what might be wrong with him.

But my father had lupus. And he would have like little micro strokes.

And it just, all of a sudden, he would just check out. He would kind of stop and kind of gaze. And what he was doing, he was having micro strokes. And that is eerily similar from what I saw from him.

GLENN: Well, this is -- one of my daughters, you know, Mary, she has not significant strokes.

Or, significant seizures.

And this -- this really cutting edge procedure, that I wouldn't have done.

She chose to do it.

I would have been too afraid.

Because they said to her. You may wake up. And you may not recognize anybody.

You may not be able to speak. Or know people's names.

I mean, we don't know what we're doing here.

But we think we know what we're doing. But we don't. And brave girl, she was like, do it!

I don't want to live like this anymore.

Just do it.

So they did. And she was seizure free, for about two years.

And now they've come back. Pretty hard.

And hers are really getting grand mal-ish.

My other daughter has a seizure, where she is like Joe Biden, but just a very short period of time.

Where she's like, and you're like, hello!

Hello.

What?

And we didn't for a long time. Didn't know they were seizures. Probably like your dad. We didn't know.

Just thought he drifted for a minute.

And, yeah, but that's not.

I think he's just gone. I think he's just gone. Here's Biden yesterday, promising Ukraine, a lot more money! Great.

BIDEN: By the way, the idea that we had to wait until we passed the legislation overall, maybe held up by a small majority of our Republican colleagues, is just terrible. And there's a lot more money --

GLENN: Can you stop? Can you stop?

Play that again. I want you to listen to what the president of the United States just said. Listen again.

BIDEN: By the way, the idea that we had to wait until we passed the legislation overall, held up by a small majority of our Republican colleagues.

GLENN: Stop!

The idea that we had to wait, for Congress to pass this, before we could do it, is just horrible.

That's the constitutional process, dude!

He's complaining that you have to wait before you spend money on something that's controversial!

What is that?

That's the cry of a dictator. Now, you can say, because of our system, we had to wait.

And, you know, it's just the way -- you know, a republic, and a democracy, it's not pretty all the time. As Churchill said. It's the worst, until you compare it to everything else.

And then you realize, it's the best. It's the best of the worst.

You know, sorry we had to delay on that. But we have certain things that we have to do.

But the money is there now.

No! He's saying the very idea that we had to wait. Do you know that famous speech from FDR?

A date that will live in infamy?

Do you know what that speech was? That speech was for the president to make that case in front of Congress, to go to war!

There was never a clearer at least, you know, in the last 100 years. There's no clearer declaration of war, than bombing Pearl Harbor. Right?

Bombing all of our ships.

Today, we would have just launched!

The president back then. This is how far we've drifted.

The president back then, even after Pearl Harbor, went the very next day to Congress.

And gave that speech. And then they voted. The very idea that we have to vote on things in Congress. I've done everything I can to make Congress and the Constitution just, you know, a rubber stamp.

But I'm not there yet. So let me promise you, that there's a lot more money coming. Oh, my gosh.

JASON: That's an interesting point you make.

I caught him do this in the past. These very fundamental beliefs in the past. They clearly just do not believe in.

Like, every time he threatens us with the F-15 remark that he said about 60,000 times. I never really got annoyed that it was a threat.

I never really took it that way. What really annoyed me, was he is making fun of the fundamental, you know, right of self-defense, that we have in this country.

The fundamental right, that if there ever becomes a tyrant, you have the tools to stand up and push back, and say no.

You have that right to put -- go ahead.

GLENN: You not only have the right, as it says in the Declaration of Independence. You have the duty, to overthrow the shackles of a tyrant.

JASON: Yes.

GLENN: And you're right. But, Jason, as somebody who was in Afghanistan, right after 9/11, I don't know.

Those F-15s. Everything that we -- everything that we threw at them. They're still in charge of Afghanistan, aren't they?


JASON: Yeah. I don't think F-15s help them out too much.

Neither do the Northern Vietnamese.

History is full of insurgencies that have been successful. You know, on this Ukraine funding thing, we've done multiple different shows on some of this stuff.

And what will shock you. If you just kind of look and try to trace some of these funds.

Whether they're coming from Congress, or some other agency within this government.

It is everywhere!

Like, just look at the news. You'll look, it's like, oh, Secretary Blinken was in Ukraine yesterday.

He promised 200 million. Yeah. Where did that come from?

Congress did not approve that.

GLENN: That's the -- that's the chevron case. That's the chevron case.

They can't do that! Only Congress has the purse strings. Only Congress can issue more spending. It must start in Congress.

We've completely disregarded the Constitution.

It's not only hanging from a thread.

I think the thread is so frayed that it's broken. And we're not even using it at all. Or we're the closing that we've ever been to absolutely destroying everything that everybody worked and died. Died for.

Anyway, so he's promising more money. A

But don't worry the experts get it.

Here is Janet Yellen, telling us that, you know, you just don't get it. You don't understand. We're smarter than you. Cut nine.

VOICE: All Americans, both those who are well-off.

And those at the bottom. Of the income distribution. They're better off. Their wages have risen more than prices.

GLENN: Okay. All right. Good is bad. Bad is good.

Up is down, down is up.

And prices are down. And your wages are up. So everybody knows this.

America, can you afford to be led by these people, another four years?