Stephen Crowder: Google Clearly Doesn’t ‘Want to Discuss Issues Anymore’

A Google software engineer lost his job this week after writing a 10-page internal memo critiquing the company’s diversity efforts.

In the memo, the engineer gathered some general observations based on research about men and women and what they can both offer to a company, suggesting some ways that tech jobs could become more friendly to women. He also objected to company programs that are only offered to employees based on race and gender.

“Of course, men and women experience bias, tech, and the workplace differently and we should be cognizant of this, but it’s far from the whole story,” he wrote in the memo.

Google CEO Sundar Pichai said in a statement that “portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.”

Stephen Crowder of LouderWithCrowder.com joined Glenn on radio Thursday to share his take on Google’s decision to fire the engineer.

“Is that still hate speech?” Crowder sarcastically said of the memo. “When you read the entire memo in context … I go ‘OK, this is a guy who’s a classical liberal … and he’s writing something genuinely trying to be productive.’”

GLENN: Steven Crowder, welcome to the program. I was talking to a millennial yesterday, a very smart, well-thought out millennial who said, "You know, I don't agree with this, but I have to tell you what my feelings were when I first heard about this memo." She said, "I don't like people telling me what I can and can't do because of my genetics.

And she said, you know, "I heard the quotes, that he was saying that I can't do these things because I'm genetically predisposed to X, Y or Z." And she had a big problem with this.

Now, the good thing about this millennial is she moved past her feelings into thought, but that's not really happening, especially even in the press.

STEVEN: Yeah, well, thanks for having me, Glenn.

You're absolutely right. You know, a couple of points about the memo. I hate to use the fake news hashtag, but when CNN goes out and says, anti-diversity manifestos, they call it, like it's The Count of Monte Cristo writing on the stone wall, next to days in prison. Manifesto. Anti-diversity. And then it says anti-woman. Well, the quotes they take are where this guy essentially says, listen, Google is essentially pushing diversity, hiring for diversity's sake. And it hasn't really been that successful. We may want to -- and, by the way, I'm not saying that all men and women are the same. There's a significant overlap. Of course, there are people who would fall on both signs of the spectrum when it comes to attributes and perhaps some shortcomings.

But as a general rule, this may be why we don't have as many women in tech, and he talks about how women generally value work-life balance over status, whereas men will drive themselves into the -- they'll work themselves into the ground for status. It does say, "Yeah, you know, listen, women tend to handle stress more emotionally. It does list some characteristics that might not lend themselves well to high-stress tech situations."

But then, and here's what the media doesn't cover: On the flip side, he says, "No, I strongly believe in diversity." And I think if we want to hire more women, we might want to place emphasis on the -- on the issues where women perhaps are more valuable to the company.

For example, they're more cooperative. In general, they're more agreeable than their male counterparts. In general, they're more people-oriented. They're more empathetic.

We don't really place a strong value on those attributes that Google in these positions -- we might do better to do so.

So, listen, is that still hate speech? Do you lock this guy up with the Nazis? I don't know. Leave it up to people to decide. But when you read the entire memo in context, I can't see -- you know, Glenn, this is one of those issues where I read it, I go, okay. This is a guy who is a classical liberal. He even gets some digs in at conservatives in this memo. People read it. He's certainly not a right-winger. And he's writing something genuinely trying to be productive. Generally writing out points as to where Google may be able to improve.

And Google says, we can't -- this is hate speech. We have to fire this guy. Which tells me, if this guy can't do it, you know, you and I haven't got a shot. They're not interested in a dialogue. For the same reason we couldn't have anyone from Google or anyone on Google's side come on my program to argue this issue. They don't want to discuss issues anymore. They've gone too far around the back.

GLENN: So a couple of things: I would agree with you. And I have not been able to find somebody that can make a cogent argument on how this isn't the beginning of fascism in the Google world. The institutionalization of fascism in the Google world.

I really want to understand how silencing somebody who is really, truly making valid points. You don't have to agree with them. But bringing out a valid argument. How the best way to deal with that is to silence them and to shun them and to name-call. That's fascism.

And why this is concerning -- you know, if they were just making ashtrays, I wouldn't really care. But they're not.

STEVEN: Yeah.

GLENN: These are the people who are the gateway to information. And if they are saying, "This information isn't worthy to even be discussed at the levels in Google," are they really going to allow us schlubs who don't know anything to access that information in an equal and fair way? I don't think so. It wouldn't -- it wouldn't make any sense at all. It would be completely inconsistent.

STEVEN: Well, you're talking about a company -- my friend Owen Benjamin talked about this on the program. You're talking about a company where when you Google how to be a better man, it shows you articles written from lesbians. So they can't help you be a better man, nor do they have any interest in doing so.

As a matter of fact, you mentioned fascism. You know, if you Google fascism, it says far-right ideology. You know, and then description. Description. But if you Google communism or socialism, there's no mention of the left. There's no mention of the left side of the political spectrum.

It really is -- and here's the deal: They have the right to do what they want. They have the right to fire this guy. I think we all agree on that.

GLENN: Yep.

STEVEN: What they can't do is say, we believe in diversity. We believe in difference of opinions and then fire somebody for a difference of opinion. That's the issue here, is the dishonesty. When like you've said, I've read anywhere from between 60 to 80 percent of our online interactions occur either somewhere between Google, Facebook, Twitter, or Amazon.

So when you think of how much information is controlled, it really is -- and there are a few. Listen, what's so offensive, are we really going to start firing people because someone says men and women are different? Are we at that point where it's offensive to say, hey -- and anyone who is married knows that it's true.

And, by the way, hey -- hey, men -- you can't say men and women are different. Men and women are exactly the same. Men can do everything women can do, and women can do everything men can do with the exact same results.

By the way, let's celebrate diversity.

Did I step into a time? What happened? What world did I fall into?

GLENN: And the fact that women and men are exactly the same, except they can't play the same sport. That's unfair. You're going to put women. Really? Women are going to have to compete with men on the basketball.

Well, wait. You were just saying that there wasn't a biological difference. What are you talking about?

STEVEN: Yeah. Unless it's a transgender, then just let him into the octagon to beat the living daylights out of women. That's progress.

I think, Glenn, I think that this is a real opportunity -- the pendulum swing states both ways. We've talked about that. You kind of saw that with Bush. Then the sort of anti-establishment sentiment from young people. Then it swung the other way with Barack Obama.

But the pendulum is swinging so quickly now. And I think the left has gone too far for it to swing back. I think you're seeing too many liberals. And we see this with our content, a lot of people who used to be liberal going, I just can't get on board with this. Once they read the memo, people go, "You know, it's offensive to say that men are more task-oriented. It's offensive to say women are more emotional."

It really is at a point -- and, by the way, really, what hurts people here is that they don't feel good about it. The women took a sick day at Google. They were so offended at the notion that they might find work too stressful, that they read this memo and took a sick day.

By the way, not all women are this weak, just the feminists at Google. That's important to note. I'm sure -- I'm sure your wife isn't.

My wife's reaction was so earnest. And it just hit me like a Mack Truck. She just said, "Do you have to talk about it? It makes me just so ashamed. Ugh, women who complain like that. They're just so weak. They're so obnoxious. Most women don't like to be around them. They're just draining." That's what my wife said. Isn't it ironic that a non-feminist, conservative, Christian woman finds feminists to be obnoxious in their weakness? And that's where we are.

GLENN: That's really -- but that is the progressive mantra, is weakness. Celebrate -- not celebrate diversity. Celebrate your weakness, and we will compensate. We will be your defender.

I think your -- this -- this millennial who said this, you know, I -- you know, this is the way I felt. I don't like people telling me one thing.

Well, wait. The other side is telling you that, oh, yes, you can do it, but only with special exemptions. Only with special protections. Only with special training.

No. I'm telling you if that's what you want to do, go do it. Go do it. How is that offensive to say, you don't need somebody in between you. That's just somebody sucking you dry of all of your power.

STEVEN: Right. A couple of things: You know, they say, I don't like being told what I can and can't do. And conservatives are saying, well, listen, we're not really telling you what you can and can't do. But we can all find common ground on one issue: Pullups. Right? Liberals want to lower the PT requirements in the military with pullups so that women can join more easily. And we say, hey, women biologically can do fewer pullups. So there's a great litmus test.

As far as what's offensive -- you know, offensive now isn't about intent. And we've talked about this with the Google algorithms. You know, for the most advanced tech company in the world, right? On my videos, Muslim singles and gay cruise ads are playing.

Well, we're trying to fix the algorithms. You're Google. If you can't associate proper advertisers with my -- who can?

So, I mean, we're talking about people's feelings. That is what it comes down to Google. It's not about intent. It's not about context. Leftists don't really understand context. Or they don't value context, I should say. Certainly, as a whole. Anyone can feel bad about anything. I'm feeling miserable this morning. You know why? It's stupid. But I have some nagging injuries.

So I haven't been able to go to the gym. So I've been doing these -- these water weight exercises. You know, those foam dumbbells in the pool. And I was thinking, you know, hey, good for me. I'm going out. I'm doing something.

So I go on Amazon to look to buy some, as opposed to the public pool where I've been going. And then I read the reviews, and it's nothing but 77-year-olds talking about their aquatic aerobic classes. And then all of a sudden, Amazon is tracking with advertisements and the ads, every time I'm in my browser of reverse mortgages. Or Wilford Brimley with diabetes. And I feel bad. I feel bad. It's my own doing.

STU: I believe it's pronounced diabetes.

It's interesting, Steven, it's a great point on the physical part of it. Because it's exactly the point he made in the memo, which is: If you look at the top 100 meter times of all time, the world record holder for women is slower than the yearly best times for high school men. I mean, there's a clear difference here. Right?

However, what that does not mean is that the all-time world record holder is not going to be a hell of a lot faster than me trying to run 100-meter. Point being, yes, on average, there are differences. But there are women in Google all the time that are outperforming men all the time. It's just a commentary on averages, and nobody is going to bother to take a look at that.

STEVEN: Sure.

GLENN: And who is it that is devaluing the basic intrinsic worth of the sexes? I'm not.

I believe that Women Are From Mars, Men Are From venus, or whichever planet it is. I believe that we are different for many different reasons. But it's important that we -- oh, my gosh -- celebrate that diversity. That we look and say, "This trait in a woman of being less about stuff is good." It's a good thing.

STEVEN: Right.

GLENN: And at the same time, the man is worried about stuff or thinking about stuff. When you put those two together, you have a nice balance. Why are we trying to destroy -- first, say that what men are is -- has no value. And what women are naturally also has no value. You have to be this thing that is not -- neither male nor female.

STEVEN: Right. And that's kind of -- you know, I want to go back to Stu real quick. I want to answer that. But I'll throw another one into the mix. We talked about 100-meter dash. You want to know something else?

Chess. There's a women's division for chess. Think about that for a second. It's not even close, if you look at the top players of all time. There is no female Bobby Fischer.

Now, women can enter the men's division in chess, and there have been some outliers. Maybe a couple cracked the top ranks throughout time, but then they have an exclusively women's division in chess, which is just significantly further behind.

Now, that does not mean that women are less intelligent. Chess is not an indicator of intelligence. But it is -- let's remove the physical. It is absolutely an indicator of how someone's brains work, how it processes information.

We can see the difference between standard people and ADHD people. We can see the difference between, you know, people who simply read differently, who have different faster reading comprehensions. It doesn't mean they're smarter. Some people are wired differently biologically.

To what you said, Glenn, you know, Christians, we have used this term for a long time, complimentarianism. You know, it goes back to Christ. Really, the first diversity celebrationist, I guess you'd say, where he said, hey, husbands, be good to your wives.

That was kind of new, the way he really placed emphasis on treating the women as the best among you. And then, women, submit to your husbands. And submit in the Biblical sense. Not submit like Muhammad. You're going to get a fresh one if you don't do exactly what I say, but submit meaning respect the authority in the household and love your husband. So this is what we've known for a long time, the truth we believe to be self-evident.

And I do think -- and you guys can tell me if you've noticed this or if you think I'm wrong, I think it's forced a lot of people to reexamine issues. They thought they were liberalized. You know, people -- I've had people go back to the same-sex marriage issue and say, "You know, I really just thought conservatives were just a bunch of anti-gay bigots." But now when I go back and I see some of the arguments, whether I agree with them or not, but I see some of the arguments where people said, "You know what, I just don't believe men and women are interchangeable. I do believe that a father is of intrinsic value and a mother is of intrinsic value. And that they are unique and not interchangeable." You know, once we said that's not the case culturally, we kind of opened the floodgates. And I've had people say, you know, I have to look back and see where we went around the bend.

GLENN: Steven Crowder from Louder with Crowder. I think you're exactly right. And I'm seeing it in not just this, but in many things. Sitting in Los Angeles with, you know, liberals who would have just thought that we were all just racist bigots for the last ten years. Actually sitting around a table and them saying, you know what, I'm actually for the Tenth Amendment. And I thought that was all racist. And now, suddenly, I find myself going, "Yeah, you know what, maybe we should have that Tenth Amendment." And then realizing, "Holy cow, wait a minute. I may have been wrong on this. I have to reevaluate a lot." That is happening.

And if we can open our arms and not say, "Yeah, told you so," and just be decent human beings with -- with the -- with the open mind and honest arguments, I think we will welcome a lot of people into the fold.

Steven Crowder, LouderwithCrowder.com. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again, Steven. Appreciate it.

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Glenn CALLS OUT those FAILING to prosecute Biden Crime Family

‘I’m tired of feeling alone,’ Glenn says. Where are all the American prosecutors and attorneys willing to charge the Biden Crime Family — and ESPECIALLY Hunter Biden — for alleged crimes committed? In this clip, Glenn CALLS OUT those failing to take a stand for equal and blind justice. And especially since America’s prosecutors won’t, Glenn encourages YOU to take constitutional action in this battle TODAY: ‘Flood the office lines, flood social media, [but] do NOT make threats. This is a constitution battle…and we MUST take it to the court system.’

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GLENN: So I saw a headline on Monday, from Media Matters.

Quote, Blaze TV's Glenn Beck defends a white nationalist Charlottesville demonstrator, and it was picked up everywhere.

I didn't mention it you to, at the time. Because I don't really care about what people say about me. I already made my bed. I get it.

If you were with me last Thursday. You remember that I brought up the story about a Vermont resident, named Ryan Roy, who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, way, way back in 2017.

He has now been indicted, in 2023.

What was he charged with? He's charged with a class five felony.

Can you look that up?

How many classes are there?

I think that's the lowest, is it not?

A class five object, for burning an object, with the intent to intimidate. Now, in Virginia, you can understand.

Because this is the Klan. This is the South.

They have all of that history. This law was written against the Klan. So people would -- if they were burning a cross, you could get them on a felony.

Okay. Now, in 2017, the county prosecutor didn't seem to think that it was a big deal.

Declined to press charges against the Charlottesville protesters. But then George Soros source dropped nearly $2.5 million. Backing the far left prosecutors in Virginia, in 2019.

5,000 of which, went to the new county prosecutor, who vowed, as a campaign promise, to bring charges against Charlottesville protesters, if elected.

He said, and I quote, there's a law. A burning objects law, that say they can be prosecuted, but our prosecutors are not doing that.

Now, this is the same law, that refuses -- or the same group of people, in the same state, that refused to prosecute, Hunter Biden for known, provable, on videotape, drug crimes.

There's a law about burning objects. That law can be prosecuted. But our prosecutor is not doing that.

Now, as I outlined in last night's Blaze TV special, in the reckoning of the Biden crime family.

Apparently, if you're a Biden, you can smoke crack, while filming yourself driving down a street in Virginia. Nobody seems to care.

So why is this Charlottesville protester being charged nearly six years after the fact.

In Virginia, there's no statute of limitations. On felonies. So that got me wondering. Any felony?

Any felony?

Huh. What about smoking crack, in a car?

So I asked you, and I showed you the video of Hunter being very proud to be driving his brand-new Ford Raptor, along Old Virginia Drive, in Arlington, Virginia, while smoking crack. Third party sources have confirmed. It's on videotape.

Third party sources confirm, the law, it is a felony.

Now, during last week's reckoning special, I read you an email, we received from the Virginia attorney general. He's a Republican. We asked him, will you look into this crime?

He said, thank you for looking out. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for the attorney general schedule. So we'll have to decline.

Oh, really?

Did AI -- did Siri write that one? Because it sounds like a bad AI response.

Now, I'm not satisfied with that answer. I bet you're not either.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because maybe it's outside of his legal purview of jurisdiction.

I will not give the benefit of the doubt, to the Arlington county prosecutor.

Another George Soros official.

This is the county, where Hunter's alleged crack crime took place.

Okay. George Soros gave her campaign nearly 1 million dollars. So we reached out to governor Glenn Youngkin, about it. And said this. This is what he said, because the local prosecutor in Arlington is a Democrat, we are aware, there will be no political will to try and take on the president's son.

However, Americans are fed up with two-tiered justice system.

Actually, this is what we wrote. Two-tier justice system. One for the elites, one for regular Americans. No other citizen would get away with committing these alleged crimes in Virginia, why would Hunter's crime go ignored, while a Vermont resident is charged in a 2017 class five felony?

Quick response from the governor's office. His spokesperson said, it's another example of George -- in George influence prosecutors, not doing their job.

Well, we know that. But will the governor provide any additional heat?

I do not want the governor to violate the law. I don't want him involved in things he should not be.

But the governor has the bully pulpit.

Now, it is hard to fight the millions of dollars that George Soros uses, to buy these prosecutors.

But I am tired of feeling alone!

I am tired of feeling like the only one. Now, I get home, I talk to my friends. And they all say the same thing.

They're like, this is insane.

And then they throw up their arms and go, well, what am I going to do about it?

I don't pay attention anymore, because it's all garbage.

You're going to begging in the trash compactor with the Wookie, and you will be smooshed this time. You have to get involved.

Now, I want everyone, all the listeners. All the viewers, in the great Commonwealth of Virginia. And everyone in my audience.

If you haven't gone to thereckoningguide.com, get a free copy of the dossier. If you're in Virginia, you will find the contact information, for the Arlington DA.

You need to flood her office lines. Flood the social media.

Do not -- do not make threats.

This is a constitutional battle.

And we must take it to the court system.

You have no idea. You can win on these things, if we have our wits about us. And go through the court system. Politely tell her, you don't care who fills her purse strings. She is accountable to the people of Virginia, and the laws of the state, just as you must obey the law. So must she!

Justice is blind. Justice holds no man over another. Justice doesn't care if you're poor or George Soros.

It doesn't matter if you voted for Trump, or Biden.

Justice is blind.

What's amazing to me, for people who have -- who have sold and peddled this lie. This claim, they're fighting for justice, it is amazing to me how clear it is, they do not want justice. They're looking for something else.

Revenge, possibly.

So where does that leave us? Well, we can be mad. We could be mad.

Or we can be determined. When we did the -- the reckoning, we showed you, this is the legal path.

Now, the left, how are they fighting? They are fighting in the legal court system. They just pull all the purse strings. But that is in Virginia in Arlington. That's not everywhere.

There are crimes all over this country, including in red states. Why is no one picking up this mantle and saying, I will do it!

We must exhaust every legal avenue. And, by the way, I've always thought attorneys sucked.

But you suck more than I even thought. Are all of our attorneys just caring about their good status.

Or their big firm?

Where are the attorneys in this country, that are willing to sacrifice their jobs or their status, for the ideals and ideas that America has always strived for.

Where are you?

In a state such as Virginia, that allow bigotry and double standards. And legal persecution, of one entire group of people for so long.

And then you fought so hard, to remove the double standards. To remove the legal persecution.

You're now going to return and build the same kind of structure or allow it to be built in your name and your state? The structure of discrimination and hatred again?

If you throw away everything that you in Virginia have worked so hard to achieve, then you, in your silence, will again choose the path of Jamestown.

And all the evils of the past return. And just like before, the deceivers are wrapping the lies and poison in moral terms. We're looking for justice.

Justice is blind on earth. The only one, that can actually mete out real justice, perfect justice, is God himself.

And your God, on the left, is not the God of Abram, Isaac, and Jacob.

And that is who I serve. My first principle is -- and loyalty is to him.

My first passport is to the kingdom of God.

My second, is to the United States of America. So I will do nothing to violate my first passport.

I will not lose my first citizenship, in defense of my second citizenship.

But I know the Declaration of Independence. I know the Bill of Rights.

I know the Constitution was written by men, with the help of the finger of God.

If you can find a better -- a better mission statement. Then we hold these things to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. And endowed by their creator. With certain inalienable rights.

And governments are instituted among men, to protect those rights.

If you can find a bigger and better mission statement than that, show it to me!

I will follow and gladly, gladly abandoned this system, which is now so corrupt.

But I don't see anything grander than that. I don't see anything harder than that.

I don't see anything more glorious and God-given than that.

Damn us all. And we will be, if you don't stand up, in your pulpit. If you don't stand up, as an attorney, and if we all don't stand up as citizens in peace with the full armor of God.

The most important thing, our feet are shod in the sandals of peace. And the gospel.

You don't do it, you will lose your country.

All hands on deck!

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Glenn: THIS is how a Target boycott could CHANGE THE WORLD

Moms are watchdogs for our families. And when their young kids are involved, they’ll stop at nothing to protect them. Therefore, moms are at the forefront of the Target boycott due to the store's LGBT and pride month products…but the resistance MUST last and be sustainable in order to create lasting change throughout society. In this clip, Glenn details a challenge for YOU regarding Target this June. He explains why this boycott will be far harder than the Bud Light one, why it MUST continue past just a few weeks, and why — if we’re successful — it could change the world…

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GLENN: All right. I want to talk to you a little bit about Target.

Because I think, if you're anything like me, you're having this discussion at home.

And I think there are two kinds of people. Three kinds of people on our side.

They're the kinds of people, that are so wrapped up in anything. They're like, I got it. I got it.

My gold guns. My God. Got that.

I've already taken, you know, my -- all my Target bags and destroyed them.

Because I don't even want people to know that I had a Target bag in my house. I want Target to know, I got rid of all my bags even. There are those kinds of people. I like those kinds of people.

And then there are the kinds of people that are really informed, and they -- they'll go in and say, I don't want a Bud Light. But it's hard to do, you know, Target. I mean, it's so easy. It's accessible. They have everything I like, right there. I don't want to change. Okay?

I'm actually, probably more like that person, in real life.

I try not to be. But I am addicted to Coca-Cola. And I wish I wasn't.

And I tried for a while, but everything I like, is made by Coca-Cola.

Every soda I like. Every water. I even went across the border. I was in Mexico. And I'm like, okay.

Drink this water. No! They own it there too.

Okay. So I try. And then there are the people who throw up their hands and say, I can't do anything about it anyway. Nothing is going to change. That's the dangerous one for our country.

Let me talk specifically about my wife. See if you can relate to this at all.

My wife is the guardian, the watchman at the walls of our home.

She is walking that guard post, every day, all through the nature.

She is like what are going on with the kids?

What's happening outside?

What are their friends doing?

Have you read what their friends are doing on social media?

She is a watchdog. Nothing -- nothing will get by her, if she can help it.

That's I think, the average mom.

They are watching. They're the guardians of everything that comes into the house.

And I help. But I'm not like her.

It's more than a full-time job.

And the most important job in the world, especially now.

My wife gets a bee in her bonnet. Oh, my gosh.

Let me just say this. My wife gets hangry.

And I have to, unfortunately, travel with security.

And even the security knows, because I've -- I've asked my wife. You have to give me a warning, that maybe in an hour, you're going to be hungry.

Because it was just like, I'm angry, and I'm hungry.

So I was like, okay. Okay. Okay. Can you give us some time? Give us advanced warning.

And I'm telling you, all I have to do. I'll look at my wife, and she'll say, I'm about an hour away. And I will look at security. And I'm like, I don't care what it is.

Find food. I don't care if we're in the desert and you have to airdrop it in. You have an hour. Find food. And everything changes, if my wife gives me the warning.

Okay?

And that's a good -- I think this is a good thing.

They are really the ones. When my family went through a crisis here recently, my wife would not leave the bedside.

I mean, I wanted to stay for a time.

One person. And it was my wife.

And I'm like, go home.

You haven't really slept in two days. Let me take care of this. Let me take the night watch tonight.

I am not leaving my child's side. Yes, ma'am.

I got my keys out. And I went home.

Mothers in school boards, this is why this is happening.

Is this why all of this is happening, right now.

Because they started to attack our children. So mothers get a bee in their bonnet.

And it's a good thing. We're about to see it again, with the backlash against Target.

If a mom with young kids, is taking to the streets, it is serious.

I have a friend who has five boys. Five boys. I don't know -- I mean, she just sent me a video the other day, where the youngest, took, you know, thank God it was an erasable marker. But the kids were outside playing.

And all of a sudden, she's like, where is the smallest one?

Outside.

What's he doing? He has a marker.

Okay. He went outside. He had drawn. He tried to turn the cars red. Okay?

Okay. She's -- she's got her hands full.

She has her hands full.

And she called me and she said, did I see what's happening at Target?

I am never shopping there again.

When that woman, who is that busy says, no.

Things begin to change.

Something is broken in our public life.

And now it's affecting her kids.

My wife would walk through a pile of broken glass through sliding glass windows, and she wouldn't think twice, if her kids were being harmed on the other side of that glass.

That's a mom.

The big guns always come out, and those big guns are moms.

And they're emerging. However, this Target thing, is different. Because moms are so busy, Target has so many of the things, that they rely on.

I mean, I've heard -- Target has the only jeans that fit me. I blame that on designers. They have the only jeans. You know, I like this certain thing. Chip and Joanna are there. I love their candles. Whatever.

Okay? It's not one product. It's not like walking into a store, and opening a refrigerator and who can't being Miller Lite instead of Bud. It's the possibility of having to go to several stores, to get what you want.

This is a major inconvenience. And I don't know, if it's going to last.

But there's a couple of things I would like to ask you to do. For the month of June, do not shop at Target.

If you believe in what I believe, you know, they are hiring Satanist designers.

You know, tuck it, bathing suits. Binding the breast of women.

No. No.

If you believe like I do, don't shop there for the month of June.

And I will be transparent. My hope is, 30 days a habit makes, 30 days a habit breaks.

Because this has to be sustainable. If it's just a one-week thing, it will not affect. However, yesterday, I told you who the shareholders were. Remember this from CNN. I played this yesterday.

Listen to this analysis from CNN.

VOICE: What advice could you give companies that sort of get swept up in this?

VOICE: Well, the issue is, who are you beholden to?

You are beholden to many different stakeholders, but in particular, you're beholden to your investors. And investors are not showing -- are not held back from looking at how companies affect and are affected by society.

How they are affected by the environment. And how ethical issues, which is governments. Address their business.

These are not -- these are maybe not going to address the Bud Light six-week stock drop.

But ESG is a long-term investor. Risk of opportunity issue, and investors are not going to look at a six-week stock drop from one company, as something that is really --

GLENN: Okay? It's very clear. It's very clear. Now, when she says investors, what she means.

Well, for instance, let me just give you the biggest investors in Target. The Vanguard Group.

Stu, what is the Vanguard Group. Why do I know that name, come to my head?

Besides them being well-known. Something in the news. Oh, one of the leaders of ESG.

BlackRock. So Vanguard has 9 percent ownership of Target. BlackRock has 9 percent ownership. State Street.

These are the three big ones. The biggest ones for ESG.

State Street has 8 percent ownership. Then Vanguard has another fund, that has another 3 percent. Then Wells Fargo. Then Bank of America.
Then another index fund from Vanguard.

Okay?

They're -- their ownership, that they're talking about.

Investors, they're talking about the institutional investors.

And, of course, they're not pulling back. Because it's not really their money, they're losing.

They believe that if they could just weather the storm, everything will be fine.

But here's the storm, that changes everything. You're already showing them, no. We're not going back to Miller Lite. Or Bud Light. Not doing it. Not doing it.

It's sustaining, and getting worse every night. And I think that's because of shame. Stu walked in with a Target bag today.

And I said, you're coming in with a Target bag.

STU: I didn't even realize I had it. But it was just in our little bin of old bags. And I just grabbed one.

GLENN: Right. Mine too. My house was full of the Target bags. And what did you say?

STU: I said, no. I just went into my old bin of bags. It wasn't a --

GLENN: Yeah. And next time you go into your bin of bags, because I just said something. And I didn't judge you.

STU: Oh, no. You made a joke of it, basically. And I thought to myself, next time I go into that bin of bags. And especially if I'm coming in here, I probably will look for a different bin of bags.

And it becomes associated with embarrassment.

PAT: Correct.

STU: And when that happens, just like it's happened with Bud Light.

PAT: Gee. Rules for radicals, comes to mind, okay? I don't want to associate.

But it is -- it is true. When you see -- when somebody says, what the hell are you doing with that?

I know you better than that. You are going to Target? No. No, no, no. It was an old bag.

Okay. When that becomes the thing people begin to say, this -- the whole world changes. You already have done it once, but it was easy with Anheuser-Busch. This one is difficult. This one requires real discipline from the busiest people on the planet, moms. Okay?

And for them to sustain it, is going to be difficult. But only sustained and growing, will accomplish what it needs.

You lose all of the momentum with Anheuser-Busch, if you don't follow it up with Target. If you follow it up with Target, then things change. Not because Target changes, but because those investors at BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street and all the ESG people that are investing your retirement money. See, they vote with their shares on the board of directors. Because you have unknowingly given them your voice.

They vote with your voice.

First thing has to happen. You need to pull that back. You need to say, I retain the rights of those shares.

Okay?

Your investment fund needs to do that. But when the shareholders start to say, wait a minute.

What is happening to my pension fund?

My pension fund has -- has dropped by 10 percent.

When that happens, people like Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street, will have a choice.

The American people are serious, they are going to tube these companies, if we keep doing this.

BlackRock, they'll probably keep going. But then the pension funds pull their money out, because they're losing too much money.

And they'll invest it in non-ESG, and the whole thing explodes.

STU: You want to make ESG feel like a Target bag. Where you call up, when you're talking to your investment adviser. They get ten calls a day, where people say, whatever. Just don't put me in any ESG funds.

GLENN: So let me put you into something. I will take a quick break and come back. And tell you something, that I just if you do, if you actually do it, you will begin to wound ESG like nobody's business.

You may not.

Go ahead.

STU: I'm worried about the Target thing as a follow-up, as a sequel here.

GLENN: This is a big one.

STU: Yeah. I mean, I think you need to.

Again, conservatives are not good at this stuff. Typically, this is not our world.

GLENN: I know. But you know, it's really time to get good at some of this stuff.

STU: Maybe that's true.

But I think you do that -- I think an easy choice is an important part of this, frankly. Making that Bud Light to Miller Lite switch.

Which, of course, does not necessarily solve the problem. But it's easy to do.

GLENN: So let me show you, an easy step, that I think people could take today. Today.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: Bud Light is already down $15.7 billion in market value.

So shareholders in that, are losing a lot of money.

Target is down six.

When did Target start -- you know, Target grew in the stock market value the more partners they made.

Their biggest partner is Chip and Joanna Gaines. Now, Chip and Joanna Gaines are God-fearing people, that stand up for the values of hard work and American and family values.

They got all the love thing. They have compassion, but they also stand for the truth.

And if they don't, we should know that. Now, they have spoken out about things before.

But I have to tell you, my wife is not going to Magnolia ever again, until Chip and Joanna make a statement on this. You are -- your biggest partner is telling people to tuck it will or to bind themselves. And it's selling right next to your stuff. Do you have a problem with that? Because if you don't, now I have an issue with you. I question your products. Your value.

Are you a fraud? Did God make a mistake, creating bodies and putting the wrong people in the wrong bodies, that they should bind their bodies? No. And Chip and Joanna, I would like to hear from you. Do you agree with that?

STU: Obviously, they don't control what other products Target has at their stores.

GLENN: No, they don't. But they control who they're standing with.

STU: They can make a statement. I would assume, if it's not contractural violation.

GLENN: Absolutely.

But you can make it very clear: We are under contract, but we do not support this.

Chip and Joanna, make a statement. That's going to move the needle. And Target will have a whole new problem on their hand. Because if Chip and Joanna aren't happy, when that contract comes up, we could lose Chip and Joanna, and that will really hurt our stock.

So I would suggest, that you write, call, and flood the lines of -- of Magnolia and Chip and Joanna. And they're on our side. I really believe, they are good people. I really believe they are good people.

But good people need to take a stand. Where are you, Chip and Joanna?

Where are you?

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Glenn BREAKS DOWN White House U-Haul crash: ‘DOESN’T MAKE SENSE’

19-year-old Sai Kandula is currently awaiting a detention hearing after allegedly crashing a U-Haul truck into gates close to the White House earlier this week. It was something the Missouri resident reportedly had been planning for MONTHS. Yet the charges against him recently have been dramatically reduced. Why? Glenn breaks down the crash, and he explains why this story just ‘doesn’t make sense.’ Plus, Glenn details how this story directly relates to two more concerning the IRS: ‘What the HELL is going on?!’

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GLENN: Speaking to CBS news, the IRS whistle-blower revealed himself -- now, this just happened.

This is a new guy since Monday. Okay?

Has revealed himself as a supervisory special agent. Gary Shapley.

He is part of the IRS's criminal investigation's department.

He is a 14-year veteran, at the agency.

And currently, overseas a 12-man team, that specializes in international tax and financial crimes.

He told CBS news, that he began documenting his concerns, about the Hunter Biden investigation, in June 2020, 5 months after being assigned the sensitive investigation.

There were multiple steps, that kept being slow walked. We were -- they were just completely not done.

And it was happening at the direction of the Department of Justice.

When I took control of this particular investigation, I immediately saw a deviation from the normal processes.

It was way outside the norm of what I've experienced in the past.

So this is his first interview.

He sits down with CBS.

And they take him seriously. And treat him seriously.

He said, each and every time it seemed to always benefit the subject.

And I got to the point, to where that switch was turned on with me. And I couldn't stay silent anymore.

So we now know, we have the IRS, along with the Department of Justice.

Doing all kinds of -- all kinds of things that they shouldn't be doing on the Hunter Biden front.

But it's not just Hunter Biden.

IRS investigation into Matt Taibbi. Here's the latest on that.

On Wednesday, yesterday, the House judiciary committee, sent a letter to the IRS commissioner, demanding all documents, and communications, related to the agency's decision, to launch an investigation, into Matt Taibbi.

Now, who is Matt Taibbi?

Matt Taibbi is a journalist. He's always been kind of a left kind of guy. Wouldn't you say?

STU: Yeah. I just that's fair.

GLENN: Yeah. And he has been red pilled.

And he's not a conservative. He's just telling the truth.

And he's being a journalist. He is the guy that really tried to make sense, of the Twitter files.

He was one of the leaders on that.

According to the letter, the IRS's inquiry was initiated December 24th, 2022.

That is the same day that Taibbi released the report detailing the collusion between Twitter and the federal government.

STU: Subtle, guys.

GLENN: Yeah, very subtle.

Well, it was not only on the same day. It was December 24th, so it was Christmas Eve. I don't know about you, but there's not a lot of work going on, on Christmas Eve. But the IRS are busting their ass. December 24th.

And it was a Saturday.

So somebody was burning the midnight. It might have been Bob Cratchit.

Because he was afraid, and he wanted the extra scuttle of coal from the IRS.

So the documents passed on to Twitter by the FBI led foreign influence task force, Taibbi revealed Twitter was receiving content recommendations. Blah, blah. Joe Biden and the energy company, Burisma. The report showed that Twitter, along with Facebook, and other technical-related firms, regularly attended FIT gatherings where companies often received an OGA briefing.

What is an OJA (sic) briefing? That's a euphemism for intelligence services, in general. In particular, the CIA.

So the IRS has said, yes. We sent the letter on the 24th.

Okay?

And that was nine days after he filed his 2018 tax return.

But they said, we called him over and over again, to verify his return.

Because it meant -- it met identity theft criteria. And we couldn't process it.

Nine days after they get this return to them.

Nine days. On Christmas Eve, a Saturday, the IRS is like, we just can't wait any longer.

We just -- we can't do it. We have to process this.

Because we're concerned about him.

This IRS form looks like it might have been identity theft.

So he says, they never reached out to call them.

To call. They said, we did it twice!

And then we just had to send agents over to -- these guys are bending over backwards.

STU: It's really nice of them, to spend all that individual time on one person like that.

GLENN: Very nice.

Now, the tactics that they used, apparently now we know, to dig up any dirt, we could find on Taibbi.

The agent assigned from the IRS, was instructed to perform an extensive investigation, which includes using publicly available search engines. Commercial investigative software.

Consumer affairs. Lexis nexus.

And Google.

The documents provided to the committee, also preferably showed the agency kept a dossier on Taibbi, including information such as his phone number, voter registration records, whether he had a concealed weapons permit, and whether he had hunting or fishing licenses. I don't know.

That seems like maybe they weren't concerned about identity fraud.

So you have now two cases of the IRS, just today.

That I can report on. Now, the FBI has just demanded answers from -- or, sorry. The Republicans have just demanded answers from the FBI. On the January 6th pipe bomb investigation.

Andy Biggs. Jim Jordan.

And Bill Posey. Wrote to the FBI. And director Ray.

Saying, we have been asking for an update on the pipe bomber. We have witnesses, or we have whistle-blowers, that are saying, you ain't doing Jack on this.

In fact, the whistle-blower testimony on the investigation, on the unusual character, including one disclosure, that revealed that the Washington field office, asked the FBI field offices, to canvas all confidential human source nationwide, for information about the individual, that might have put the pipe bomb out.

A year after they laid the bomb.

Now, you would think, that this would be something that they were all on top of.

But they waited a year. Still no motive. Still nothing.

A former FBI assistant director said, they should have yielded some results by this point.

But gosh darn it, they just can't find it. Now, couple it with this last story.

And tell me, you've seen anything like these stories so far.

Okay. I've seen -- I've seen people in the Tea Party. Targeted during the Obama administration.

Before that, I had never seen it before in my life. Okay.

So I had seen that. Got it.

I have not seen the Justice Department go in and stop an investigation by the IRS. That's totally new.

I have not seen anything like what the FBI has been doing lately.

And the pipe bomb and the January 6th, and they can't find the people who are burning churches.

But gosh darn it, they can find those peoples that have violated the face act.

Now this one. The alleged neo-Nazi, accused of ramming a rented U-Haul truck into the White House security barriers, being held in federal jail, pending a detention hearing next week.

Cy Kandula (phonetic), nineteen. Not an American citizen. I believe from India. He appeared in federal court, yesterday.

He is from Missouri. If you don't know this story, it is bizarre. He slammed a box truck.

Now, a box truck, it was either a rider or a U-Haul. And clearly marked.

It's a moving truck. Now, when I think of somebody going after a federal building, in a moving truck. Especially with the information that the FBI knows, that 60,000 tons of ammonium nitrate have just disappeared from the railway.

Have you heard that story?

16,000 tons is on the loose. And somebody pulls a giant U-Haul van, and is trying to break through the fences of the White House. And get close to the White House.

As a police officer, investigator, Secret Service, what is your first thought?

There's fertilizer in the back of that U-Haul truck. Okay? That -- when I saw that U-Haul truck, that was the first thing I thought of, was Timothy McVeigh. And I know that 60,000 tons of that fertilizer has just gone missing.

Okay. So he slammed it into the barriers on Lafayette square. He allegedly has planned this attack for six months.

We know, because of his writing. Has been released. Can't get anything from Nashville. But this guy.

He had to get to the White House. Seize power. And be put in charge of the nation.

So immediately, I think the guy has mental problems. He was accused of threatening.

Accused of threatening to kill the president. If that's what I have to do.

He praised Hitler and Naziism.

He is not a white guy. He was originally charged with threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict harm on the president, vice president, or family members, as well as an assault with a dangerous weapon.

Reckless operation of a motor vehicle. Trespassing. And destruction of federal property.

That's what he was charged with.

Does all of that make sense so far?

Okay? I can't place the Nazi flag, and the other thing that bothered me. Was the fact that if I am in charge of the White House, and I have access to all of this information.

If Glenn Beck knows, that 60,000 tons of ammonium nitrate is missing. And I see that rider truck. Or that U-Haul truck.

I immediately say, get the hell away from that truck. Back everybody out.

Get everyone out of Lafayette Square.

Now, we have seen pictures of what happens next, because they only backed people up, a little bit.

And this is where it really gets hinkey.

So my first question is, the park police, that are guarding Lafayette square. And the Secret Service at the White House. Everybody involved in protecting the White House. They see this truck. They have a guy who pulled out a Nazi flag, out of his backpack. They put him to the ground. Then they display the Nazi flag. Never seen that before. They lay it out nicely on the ground. Because they've only backed the people up a little bit. So people are taking pictures of it. Then what do you think would be done with that truck? I would think, you would call the bomb squad.

And you would say, get to the White House. We have a truck. There may be a bomb in it.

And you would have video of that little robot coming to open that door, right?

And you probably wouldn't have video, except from the robot. Because you would have moved people out, at least a block away.

They didn't do that. Instead, they just open up the door.

And then they start rifling through stuff, and taking stuff out.

And putting it out almost like you do, you know, when you've confiscated drugs. So the media can come in and take pictures of it.

They lay it out. I've never seen that before. Never seen that before.

Okay. So we either have out of control police, that are working for the safety of our president. Who should not be there.

Because what the hell are you -- why are you -- where was the bomb squad?

But then, it gets really weird.

Yesterday, the DOJ takes his charges -- remember, charged with threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict harm on a president, vice president, or family member, as well as assault with a dangerous weapon, reckless operation of a motor vehicle, trespassing and destruction of federal property.

He planned it for six months. They downgraded his federal charges to a single count of destruction of federal property. Can somebody help me with that?

They have been trying to put people who are trying to -- who are extremists. White nationalists they say. Extremists.

Here's a guy. He's not white. But he has a Nazi flag.

He loves Hitler. He said, he's going to kill the president.

He actually takes a truck, and tries to get it close to the White House.

And you're only charging him?

Didn't you put grandma in prison for the rest of her life for parading?

You're going to charge him with destruction of property?

Now, I'm not alleging anything. Because it could just be, is this a POC thing. Oh, he's a person of color.

He's a minority. He shouldn't be charged.

I don't know. It could be that everybody on Washington, is on drugs. They're zombie robots. I don't know.

But this isn't right. Something is wrong.

And I just all of these stories tie into the same thing.

The same thing. You cannot have a justice system, and Capitol Police, who have been weaponized, who have this guy planning for six months to kill the president.

And they let him go, on a destruction of property crime.

When you're putting everyone in jail. That you can find, claiming they're a white supremacist.

You can't have it both ways.

What the hell is going on?

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THIS is how Ron DeSantis plans to DISMANTLE the Deep State

Nearly EVERY agency in Washignton D.C. has become an intelligence-gathering one. So, what’s Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ plan to end government’s overreach if elected president? The newly announced 2024 presidential candidate joins Glenn in this clip, explaining exactly how his administration would dismantle the Deep State. It all starts with having the right team, he explains, and being ready for the battle IMMEDIATELY: ‘It's like trench warfare. And you have to be ready on take one.’

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GLENN: Governor Ron DeSantis from Florida. Announced yesterday, he is formerly announced that he is running for president of the United States.

And so it begins, and it's going to be an interesting 18 months. Welcome to the program, Governor DeSantis.

RON: I am doing great, Glenn. Thanks for having me. How are you?

GLENN: I'm good. I'm good. Enjoyed it not the first 20 minutes. That must have been incredibly frustrating for you with the technical problems. But it was the largest audience gathered on Twitter.

RON: Yeah. I mean, I was just kind of sitting in Tallahassee. I didn't really know what was going on. Because they Twitter handled all of that. And they were just getting so many people, above and beyond what they've ever gotten, that I think it kind of melted the servers, when they were able to -- to correct it and we were able to do an announcement that I think, you know, obviously, I laid out the case at the beginning for five or six minutes.

But then we were able to talk about actual issues, that people should care about. And now I think it's up to 8 or 9 million people that you did, across some of the platforms that have featured it.

And, obviously, when Elon was involved, you get a lot of buzz out of it. So you're getting huge feedback and raising money and doing all that, which is great.

STU: We were talking earlier today. Stu and I, about this choice. That you have always had this approach. Where you don't care what the New York Times said. You're not sitting down trying to get a puff piece out of the New York Times.

You know you won't get them, so you just we're going to it.

And I think that's really, really smart. But very different.

This too, I think will be remembered as the Clinton MTV or Arsenio Hall program.

This was really smart to do. Does this -- is this a sign the end of the mainstream media? Going right straight to people?

RON: Well, I think what Elon did, he opened up Twitter.

These social networks when they first came on the scene, had a lot of potential. Because we could go around legacy media.

And we could converse with ourselves. And that was a big threat to them.

They really helped lobby companies like Facebook. To help censoring.

Then it got to the point, where not only were they trying to enforce a narrative, the tech companies were colluding with federal agencies, like the FBI and the CDC, to censor and stifle dissent.

And so Elon, I think, has put his money where his mouth is, gotten one of those platforms and opened it up.

And so I think open platforms are good for conservatives, because it allows us to go around the filter.

But I do think we have a huge battle on our hands, about tech censorship at large. What Elon has done, is create how many people are worth $250 billion where they can afford to just put 54 billion down to buy a social platform?

And so technical censorship, I think will continue to be an issue. I think we've not dealt with it in Florida. Deal with it more as president, of course, to make sure that the First Amendment actually means something.

Because you can't let the government subcontract out censorship to Silicon Valley, and say you still have a First Amendment.

GLENN: Yeah.

Okay. So let me talk to you about the government. FBI. DOJ. IRS. NSA. CIA. ATF. Everything.

Even the Capitol police now, are an intelligence-gathering agency. How do you even run a campaign, when you know the all of government approach to the last election? How do you -- how do you -- if you win, how do you dismantle this?

Because it's -- it's almost like an unplug it, and plug it back in, and reset it to factory settings.

I mean, it's cleaning house.

RON: And that I think that this is -- this is a fundamental program. So we will look at an example of weaponization, which is obviously many examples. But that's kind of the end point.

Like, why are we here?

And the reason that we're here, is because we have these agencies that have been detached from constitutional accountability.

There was never supposed to be a fourth branch of government. But Congress has not held them accountable. The power of the purse. Or with legislating more precisely.

And presidents have not been able to wield Article II power, to discipline the bureaucracy.

So I think I'll come in. And on day one, we'll be spitting nails.

I understand, and all your listeners should understand. That if we do everything right. If we're disciplined.

If we're strong as anyone could be, it still takes a two-term project. I think it takes eight years to be able to reconstitutionalize this government.

But the question it raises, is do we govern ourselves, or do we not?

Because right now, the most significant issues, tend not to be resolved by our elected representatives. They're done by these bureaucrats and through these agencies. And so it's really I think a crisis of self-government. Now, what you have with lack of accountability, you just have a consolidation of power, amongst people that all have the same worldview.

And so their worldview is different than our worldview. And they view people like us, as factions that they want to exert power over.

And so the weaponization I think flows from human nature. So what would I do, you know, day one?

First of all, I already -- I already said.

New FBI director, day one.

That's a no-brainer. You have to do that. I'll have a attorney general that has a back bone. An attorney general that recognizes, you are doing your job properly.

You are going to be pilloried by the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN.

And so if that's not something that you're comfortable with. Then don't even apply for this job. Understand, you're going into the lion's den. These people do not want to give up this power willingly.

And so they will smear you, they will attack you. So I think getting the personnel right, if you can't do that, then it just won't work at all.

Second thing, I think, you have to be willing to use Article II authority to its fullest extent. The idea that some FBI agent can collude with a tech company to censor like Hunter Biden, you should be firing these people.

You have the authority to do it. Yes, it will be contested. They will sue you.

But who gets the -- the Article II power? The person that wins the electoral college, or some middle managing bureaucrat in the IRS, or the FBI?

So asserting that authority, making sure that you have political control over those agencies, that is a huge battle.

It's something you have to be disciplined about. It's something you have to be strategic about.

And it's not something that anyone has really tried to do. Because these are tough fights.

It's like trench warfare. And you have to be ready on take one. And incidentally. Who is the attorney general, that is very important.

But it's also very important who is a step or two below that, across all these agencies.

And I think you need to have thousands of people, ready to go to descend on --

GLENN: You know, one of the things that really bothers me about the Republicans, is the Democrats were gaming and putting everything into -- you know, the -- the Obama bill, when he walked in.

That thing was 2000 pages long. They had worked on that for years.

Are you assembling teams and talking about what to do?

So you could just launch if you would win.

RON: Absolutely. So, first of all, we're working with allied conservative organizations, who are already collecting resumes from people around the country. And I will have a message if I'm in -- if I'm in Nevada. I will say, look, some of you who are in this audience, you may need to pick up your family and move to Washington, DC, for two, four, six years. Because you can't just recycle everybody from DC. It's not going to change if that's the case. So you really need to have these people descending on D.C. from outside the country. What we'll also do is I'll issue a directive to all these agencies, that they need to reduce the footprint of their agencies in DC by at least 50 percent.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

RON: Because I think what's happened is, you know, the growth -- the government, the size of it is one thing, of course. But the consolidation of it in Washington, I think has been totally toxic. You know you have a place in Washington, DC. It votes 95 percent Democrat. I think Trump got four or 5 percent of the vote in 2020.

And so this is totally not representative of the public as a whole. And I think the Founders would look at that, and I think they would say, that's a huge, huge problem.

So dispersing power out of DC. Yes, reducing the government overall. But whatever government you have, we want less consolidation in DC. And I think that will make difference.

GLENN: So, governor, the one thing that Donald Trump will have going for him in spades is the economy.

People will trust him on the economy. He's already done it once. He's known as a businessman.

What are you bringing to the table, to this all-out war on the American dream. Corporations have been weaponized. Red tape.

All of the stuff that's been going on. You'll have the fed against you.

The big banks.

How do you change the economy?

RON: Well, look, I would say, push back literally. He did great for three years. But when he turned the country over to Fauci in March of 2020. That destroyed millions of people's lives.

And in Florida, we were one of the few that stood up. Cut against the grain. Took incoming fire from media, bureaucracy, the left. Even a lot of Republicans.

Had schools opened. Preserve businesses. And so Florida since COVID has outperformed virtually any state in the country, when you look at all these significant metrics.

I mean, we're booming. We have people moving in here.

Wealth is coming in here.

And so I think when people look back, that 2020 year, was not a good year for the country, as a whole.

It was a situation where Florida started to stand alone. So I think that's an important contrast, now going forward.

Yes. You rip up what Biden has done on day one. With things like energy.

They are trying to price middle-class people out of having a middle class standard of living.

We're not going to force people to buy electric vehicles, we're going to make sure that people have a choice, to have affordable transportation.

We absolutely reduce federal spending. We're going to fight with the Congress on that. I think the debt has gone up. Under both Republican and Democrat.

I mean, we act like it was just Biden.

Went up 8 trillion. The debt under Trump as well.

We have to stop doing that. That absolutely has driven the inflation since March of 2020, with all the borrowing and spending.

I also think we need to have the Federal Reserve, focus on stable money. And stop trying to be the economic central planner.

You look at all the money they printed since COVID. Of course, you'll get inflation when that happens. So you need a major overhaul with the Federal Reserve.

And so, yes. Fighting woke capital.

Woke capital is absolutely bad for the average American.

Because they're pursuing an ideological agenda. To achieve ideological left-wing goals. That will make it harder for the average American family to make ends meet.

GLENN: May I ask you a question.

First of all, we're doing sitdowns with each candidate. You already done one. But as governor, not a candidate.

Will you sit down, and just talk about your policies with me?

RON: Oh, yeah. Of course. Absolutely.

GLENN: And would you be for a -- a debate or a roundtable, hosted by, for instance, us that would not necessarily get the backing of the Republicans?

I think the Republican Party is -- controls these debates so much. And we keep going back to the mainstream media. I don't understand why.

RON: Well, you guys should absolutely do a debate. And the RNC should sanction it. I mean, here's the thing, Glenn with corporate media.
Some will say, because I say, they shouldn't be involved in our process. Because they're hostile to us, as Republicans.

They have a partisan agenda. Which is fine. It's a free country.

And people say, well, you just don't want to ask the Republicans, tough questions.

No. Their gotcha questions are not tough questions.

Their questions are designed to further a narrative. Their questions though, are not illuminating to Republican primary voters. Because they're not one of us.

So when you have people who lived in kind of our world, you will be asking the tougher questions.

They're not going to be gotcha questions, but they're going to be substantive, and they will require candidates to actually go beneath a talking point. To talk about their vision for the country on these issues.

So I think you guys should do it. I would love to be a part of it. But I absolutely think the RNC should sanction it. You have seen what happens in 2015 or 2016. With some of those debates. It was a mockery. What some of these legacy media outlets were doing.

And their whole goal was to try to make the Republican candidates look as ridiculous as possible. They do not want us to look like serious people.

They want to be able to plow the field, to be able to get Biden re-elected.

So we know that's their agenda. Why would you want to give them a platform, to be able to be involved in our platform. I can tell you, in Florida, we have four congressional seats, that were open seats. Republicans ended up winning, and they were primaries in all of them.

We sanctioned debates with the state party, and we had conservative journalistic moderators doing the debates.

And guess what, they were great substantive debates, and the issues that people actually care about in our party, we discussed.

GLENN: Well, I will tell you, as we took a stand for Harmeet Dillon. We didn't make any friends, at the G.O.P. national level. But thank you so much for coming on.

Congratulations for the rollout yesterday.

We look forward to hearing more from you.

And all the best.

RON: Yeah. We'll definitely sit down with you. I would love for all your folks out there, invest with us, at RonDeSantis.com.

We would love to have your support. I pledge, you nominate me, we will win. We'll go in on day one, and we'll get all this done.

GLENN: Very good.

Thank you very much, Governor.

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