BLOGAugust 10, 2017

Stephen Crowder: Google Clearly Doesn’t ‘Want to Discuss Issues Anymore’

A Google software engineer lost his job this week after writing a 10-page internal memo critiquing the company’s diversity efforts.

In the memo, the engineer gathered some general observations based on research about men and women and what they can both offer to a company, suggesting some ways that tech jobs could become more friendly to women. He also objected to company programs that are only offered to employees based on race and gender.

“Of course, men and women experience bias, tech, and the workplace differently and we should be cognizant of this, but it’s far from the whole story,” he wrote in the memo.

Google CEO Sundar Pichai said in a statement that “portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.”

Stephen Crowder of LouderWithCrowder.com joined Glenn on radio Thursday to share his take on Google’s decision to fire the engineer.

“Is that still hate speech?” Crowder sarcastically said of the memo. “When you read the entire memo in context … I go ‘OK, this is a guy who’s a classical liberal … and he’s writing something genuinely trying to be productive.’”

GLENN: Steven Crowder, welcome to the program. I was talking to a millennial yesterday, a very smart, well-thought out millennial who said, "You know, I don't agree with this, but I have to tell you what my feelings were when I first heard about this memo." She said, "I don't like people telling me what I can and can't do because of my genetics.

And she said, you know, "I heard the quotes, that he was saying that I can't do these things because I'm genetically predisposed to X, Y or Z." And she had a big problem with this.

Now, the good thing about this millennial is she moved past her feelings into thought, but that's not really happening, especially even in the press.

STEVEN: Yeah, well, thanks for having me, Glenn.

You're absolutely right. You know, a couple of points about the memo. I hate to use the fake news hashtag, but when CNN goes out and says, anti-diversity manifestos, they call it, like it's The Count of Monte Cristo writing on the stone wall, next to days in prison. Manifesto. Anti-diversity. And then it says anti-woman. Well, the quotes they take are where this guy essentially says, listen, Google is essentially pushing diversity, hiring for diversity's sake. And it hasn't really been that successful. We may want to -- and, by the way, I'm not saying that all men and women are the same. There's a significant overlap. Of course, there are people who would fall on both signs of the spectrum when it comes to attributes and perhaps some shortcomings.

But as a general rule, this may be why we don't have as many women in tech, and he talks about how women generally value work-life balance over status, whereas men will drive themselves into the -- they'll work themselves into the ground for status. It does say, "Yeah, you know, listen, women tend to handle stress more emotionally. It does list some characteristics that might not lend themselves well to high-stress tech situations."

But then, and here's what the media doesn't cover: On the flip side, he says, "No, I strongly believe in diversity." And I think if we want to hire more women, we might want to place emphasis on the -- on the issues where women perhaps are more valuable to the company.

For example, they're more cooperative. In general, they're more agreeable than their male counterparts. In general, they're more people-oriented. They're more empathetic.

We don't really place a strong value on those attributes that Google in these positions -- we might do better to do so.

So, listen, is that still hate speech? Do you lock this guy up with the Nazis? I don't know. Leave it up to people to decide. But when you read the entire memo in context, I can't see -- you know, Glenn, this is one of those issues where I read it, I go, okay. This is a guy who is a classical liberal. He even gets some digs in at conservatives in this memo. People read it. He's certainly not a right-winger. And he's writing something genuinely trying to be productive. Generally writing out points as to where Google may be able to improve.

And Google says, we can't -- this is hate speech. We have to fire this guy. Which tells me, if this guy can't do it, you know, you and I haven't got a shot. They're not interested in a dialogue. For the same reason we couldn't have anyone from Google or anyone on Google's side come on my program to argue this issue. They don't want to discuss issues anymore. They've gone too far around the back.

GLENN: So a couple of things: I would agree with you. And I have not been able to find somebody that can make a cogent argument on how this isn't the beginning of fascism in the Google world. The institutionalization of fascism in the Google world.

I really want to understand how silencing somebody who is really, truly making valid points. You don't have to agree with them. But bringing out a valid argument. How the best way to deal with that is to silence them and to shun them and to name-call. That's fascism.

And why this is concerning -- you know, if they were just making ashtrays, I wouldn't really care. But they're not.

STEVEN: Yeah.

GLENN: These are the people who are the gateway to information. And if they are saying, "This information isn't worthy to even be discussed at the levels in Google," are they really going to allow us schlubs who don't know anything to access that information in an equal and fair way? I don't think so. It wouldn't -- it wouldn't make any sense at all. It would be completely inconsistent.

STEVEN: Well, you're talking about a company -- my friend Owen Benjamin talked about this on the program. You're talking about a company where when you Google how to be a better man, it shows you articles written from lesbians. So they can't help you be a better man, nor do they have any interest in doing so.

As a matter of fact, you mentioned fascism. You know, if you Google fascism, it says far-right ideology. You know, and then description. Description. But if you Google communism or socialism, there's no mention of the left. There's no mention of the left side of the political spectrum.

It really is -- and here's the deal: They have the right to do what they want. They have the right to fire this guy. I think we all agree on that.

GLENN: Yep.

STEVEN: What they can't do is say, we believe in diversity. We believe in difference of opinions and then fire somebody for a difference of opinion. That's the issue here, is the dishonesty. When like you've said, I've read anywhere from between 60 to 80 percent of our online interactions occur either somewhere between Google, Facebook, Twitter, or Amazon.

So when you think of how much information is controlled, it really is -- and there are a few. Listen, what's so offensive, are we really going to start firing people because someone says men and women are different? Are we at that point where it's offensive to say, hey -- and anyone who is married knows that it's true.

And, by the way, hey -- hey, men -- you can't say men and women are different. Men and women are exactly the same. Men can do everything women can do, and women can do everything men can do with the exact same results.

By the way, let's celebrate diversity.

Did I step into a time? What happened? What world did I fall into?

GLENN: And the fact that women and men are exactly the same, except they can't play the same sport. That's unfair. You're going to put women. Really? Women are going to have to compete with men on the basketball.

Well, wait. You were just saying that there wasn't a biological difference. What are you talking about?

STEVEN: Yeah. Unless it's a transgender, then just let him into the octagon to beat the living daylights out of women. That's progress.

I think, Glenn, I think that this is a real opportunity -- the pendulum swing states both ways. We've talked about that. You kind of saw that with Bush. Then the sort of anti-establishment sentiment from young people. Then it swung the other way with Barack Obama.

But the pendulum is swinging so quickly now. And I think the left has gone too far for it to swing back. I think you're seeing too many liberals. And we see this with our content, a lot of people who used to be liberal going, I just can't get on board with this. Once they read the memo, people go, "You know, it's offensive to say that men are more task-oriented. It's offensive to say women are more emotional."

It really is at a point -- and, by the way, really, what hurts people here is that they don't feel good about it. The women took a sick day at Google. They were so offended at the notion that they might find work too stressful, that they read this memo and took a sick day.

By the way, not all women are this weak, just the feminists at Google. That's important to note. I'm sure -- I'm sure your wife isn't.

My wife's reaction was so earnest. And it just hit me like a Mack Truck. She just said, "Do you have to talk about it? It makes me just so ashamed. Ugh, women who complain like that. They're just so weak. They're so obnoxious. Most women don't like to be around them. They're just draining." That's what my wife said. Isn't it ironic that a non-feminist, conservative, Christian woman finds feminists to be obnoxious in their weakness? And that's where we are.

GLENN: That's really -- but that is the progressive mantra, is weakness. Celebrate -- not celebrate diversity. Celebrate your weakness, and we will compensate. We will be your defender.

I think your -- this -- this millennial who said this, you know, I -- you know, this is the way I felt. I don't like people telling me one thing.

Well, wait. The other side is telling you that, oh, yes, you can do it, but only with special exemptions. Only with special protections. Only with special training.

No. I'm telling you if that's what you want to do, go do it. Go do it. How is that offensive to say, you don't need somebody in between you. That's just somebody sucking you dry of all of your power.

STEVEN: Right. A couple of things: You know, they say, I don't like being told what I can and can't do. And conservatives are saying, well, listen, we're not really telling you what you can and can't do. But we can all find common ground on one issue: Pullups. Right? Liberals want to lower the PT requirements in the military with pullups so that women can join more easily. And we say, hey, women biologically can do fewer pullups. So there's a great litmus test.

As far as what's offensive -- you know, offensive now isn't about intent. And we've talked about this with the Google algorithms. You know, for the most advanced tech company in the world, right? On my videos, Muslim singles and gay cruise ads are playing.

Well, we're trying to fix the algorithms. You're Google. If you can't associate proper advertisers with my -- who can?

So, I mean, we're talking about people's feelings. That is what it comes down to Google. It's not about intent. It's not about context. Leftists don't really understand context. Or they don't value context, I should say. Certainly, as a whole. Anyone can feel bad about anything. I'm feeling miserable this morning. You know why? It's stupid. But I have some nagging injuries.

So I haven't been able to go to the gym. So I've been doing these -- these water weight exercises. You know, those foam dumbbells in the pool. And I was thinking, you know, hey, good for me. I'm going out. I'm doing something.

So I go on Amazon to look to buy some, as opposed to the public pool where I've been going. And then I read the reviews, and it's nothing but 77-year-olds talking about their aquatic aerobic classes. And then all of a sudden, Amazon is tracking with advertisements and the ads, every time I'm in my browser of reverse mortgages. Or Wilford Brimley with diabetes. And I feel bad. I feel bad. It's my own doing.

STU: I believe it's pronounced diabetes.

It's interesting, Steven, it's a great point on the physical part of it. Because it's exactly the point he made in the memo, which is: If you look at the top 100 meter times of all time, the world record holder for women is slower than the yearly best times for high school men. I mean, there's a clear difference here. Right?

However, what that does not mean is that the all-time world record holder is not going to be a hell of a lot faster than me trying to run 100-meter. Point being, yes, on average, there are differences. But there are women in Google all the time that are outperforming men all the time. It's just a commentary on averages, and nobody is going to bother to take a look at that.

STEVEN: Sure.

GLENN: And who is it that is devaluing the basic intrinsic worth of the sexes? I'm not.

I believe that Women Are From Mars, Men Are From venus, or whichever planet it is. I believe that we are different for many different reasons. But it's important that we -- oh, my gosh -- celebrate that diversity. That we look and say, "This trait in a woman of being less about stuff is good." It's a good thing.

STEVEN: Right.

GLENN: And at the same time, the man is worried about stuff or thinking about stuff. When you put those two together, you have a nice balance. Why are we trying to destroy -- first, say that what men are is -- has no value. And what women are naturally also has no value. You have to be this thing that is not -- neither male nor female.

STEVEN: Right. And that's kind of -- you know, I want to go back to Stu real quick. I want to answer that. But I'll throw another one into the mix. We talked about 100-meter dash. You want to know something else?

Chess. There's a women's division for chess. Think about that for a second. It's not even close, if you look at the top players of all time. There is no female Bobby Fischer.

Now, women can enter the men's division in chess, and there have been some outliers. Maybe a couple cracked the top ranks throughout time, but then they have an exclusively women's division in chess, which is just significantly further behind.

Now, that does not mean that women are less intelligent. Chess is not an indicator of intelligence. But it is -- let's remove the physical. It is absolutely an indicator of how someone's brains work, how it processes information.

We can see the difference between standard people and ADHD people. We can see the difference between, you know, people who simply read differently, who have different faster reading comprehensions. It doesn't mean they're smarter. Some people are wired differently biologically.

To what you said, Glenn, you know, Christians, we have used this term for a long time, complimentarianism. You know, it goes back to Christ. Really, the first diversity celebrationist, I guess you'd say, where he said, hey, husbands, be good to your wives.

That was kind of new, the way he really placed emphasis on treating the women as the best among you. And then, women, submit to your husbands. And submit in the Biblical sense. Not submit like Muhammad. You're going to get a fresh one if you don't do exactly what I say, but submit meaning respect the authority in the household and love your husband. So this is what we've known for a long time, the truth we believe to be self-evident.

And I do think -- and you guys can tell me if you've noticed this or if you think I'm wrong, I think it's forced a lot of people to reexamine issues. They thought they were liberalized. You know, people -- I've had people go back to the same-sex marriage issue and say, "You know, I really just thought conservatives were just a bunch of anti-gay bigots." But now when I go back and I see some of the arguments, whether I agree with them or not, but I see some of the arguments where people said, "You know what, I just don't believe men and women are interchangeable. I do believe that a father is of intrinsic value and a mother is of intrinsic value. And that they are unique and not interchangeable." You know, once we said that's not the case culturally, we kind of opened the floodgates. And I've had people say, you know, I have to look back and see where we went around the bend.

GLENN: Steven Crowder from Louder with Crowder. I think you're exactly right. And I'm seeing it in not just this, but in many things. Sitting in Los Angeles with, you know, liberals who would have just thought that we were all just racist bigots for the last ten years. Actually sitting around a table and them saying, you know what, I'm actually for the Tenth Amendment. And I thought that was all racist. And now, suddenly, I find myself going, "Yeah, you know what, maybe we should have that Tenth Amendment." And then realizing, "Holy cow, wait a minute. I may have been wrong on this. I have to reevaluate a lot." That is happening.

And if we can open our arms and not say, "Yeah, told you so," and just be decent human beings with -- with the -- with the open mind and honest arguments, I think we will welcome a lot of people into the fold.

Steven Crowder, LouderwithCrowder.com. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again, Steven. Appreciate it.

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The REAL reasons Springfield, Ohio, residents are concerned about Haitian migrants

What’s really happening in Springfield, Ohio? Are Haitian immigrants eating ducks, geese, and pet cats, as internet rumors have claimed? Glenn speaks with Blaze Media National Correspondent Julio Rosas, who traveled to Springfield to find the truth. He tells Glenn that while he can’t speak to how widespread the issue of missing pets and ducks is, it has been raised by citizens “for months.” However, that’s not the only thing. “ANY ISSUE that the residents have been raising over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city…a lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they’re not willing to do anything about it because there is a lot of MONEY involved in the decision.” Julio describes what he heard from residents — women feeling unsafe, the city not enforcing fire codes, landlords renting out BEDS, not houses. Plus, he explains why some residents have either started to embrace the “new normal” or are afraid to speak out.

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GLENN: Julio now is at -- in Springfield, Ohio.

Talking about the Haitian influx. To see what's really going on. He's our national correspondent. Julio Rosas, welcome.

JULIO: Yeah. Glenn. Thanks for having me.

GLENN: You got there yesterday?

JULIO: I got there late Monday night.

GLENN: Okay. Okay. So what have you found on the ducks and the geese and everything else?

JULIO: Well, I can tell you that it is an issue, that has been raised to the city for -- for months -- months before this -- this got brought to the national attention, you know, last week and into this week.

You know, I can't speak to how widespread it is. But it's been enough of a problem that people have been saying, hey, you know -- like, we've been seeing this. Like, I've heard about this.

Can the city look into it? And from my understanding, not just the duck issue -- you know, the pet issue.

But overall, any issue, that residents have been raising over -- over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city.

A lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they're unwilling to do anything about it because -- because there is a lot of money, being involved in decisions. Because, you know, they're -- these -- these Haitians, they have jobs. That's why they're able to be here legally. They have protected status.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. They have jobs?

JULIO: Yes. That's --

GLENN: How did they do job placement for 15 or 20,000 Haitians?

JULIO: It's through a temp agency called First Literacy. It's based here in Springfield. And that's one of the tension points within the American citizens here. Is that everything seems to be revolved around accommodating the Haitians first. And the American citizens second.

And that's why they're upset at city commissions. Because the city commission appears that they want to make Springfield seem as accommodating as possible to the Haitian population.

Which includes, not towing cars of unlicensed drivers. Surrounding -- or, having to do that.

Because, you know, they're not very great drivers admittedly. It's called some people to be killed. There have been some accidents on the road. But Springfield in the past, have not been willing to toe their cars. Whenever there's an accident or whenever they're indicate driving recklessly. So that's one of the reasons why people no longer drive into Springfield.

I was in Fremont City, just five minutes to the North.

They no longer go to the Kroger or the Walmart in Springfield. They go to the cities up North to do the shopping. Because they say, even being on the road, it's too dangerous.

GLENN: I -- I've got to believe that a town that small. I mean, Kamala last night said, it was a mid-sized town.

No, it's not. That's -- 50,000 people is a small town in America. And I got to believe, you put 20,000 immigrants from anywhere, that are not, you know, looking to blend in. And be part of society.

I've got to believe, that has totally changed the culture. And if I were a resident, I would be pissed.

Who is the federal government to do this to my town?

Is that the feeling you're getting from people.

JULIO: Right. Yes. I was at the city -- so while most people were getting back from the debate last night, I was at the city commission meetings that they have.

And a few people spoke, to -- during the public comments portion, where one woman. She's 58. She's elderly. She lives on the south side of town. The south side of town is where most of the Haitians have been put. And are living at right now.

And she said, she doesn't even leave her house right now. Without her gun and her 120-pound pit bull. Because she has been followed. She has been groped by Haitians. She's been accosted verbally. And she said, I'm very worried about the women of this town, because they're very aggressive towards women. And it's -- and, you know, that was just one person. But there's a lot of -- you know, yes. The pet issue is one thing.

But even on the housing alone, what's been happening is that landlords have -- you know, you say you have a family of four. The landlords don't renew their lease with them.

And then they replace them with up to 15 Haitians.

They're not even renting.

They're not even renting the house.

They're renting -- they're charging them, I've been told, $200 a week for just the bed.

And it was explained to me, that the bed never gets cold because there's just a constant rotation of people that use it for those late hours.

Then they go to work. And then they come back, and it just starts all over again.

So you put -- you know, two sets of bunk beds in a room. That's six people. Right?

GLENN: That's the way it works in China.

JULIO: Yeah. Yeah. Can and so the landlords are getting a lot more money from this. And the city is not enforcing the fire code.

So that's a fire hazard.

When you have that many people, crammed into one -- you know, a two-bedroom, a one-bedroom place. And -- but you have 15 people inside. That's a fire hazard. But the city has refused to enforce the codes.

Again, to try to accommodate the Haitians as much as possible.

And American citizens, who haven't been able to afford to leave. They have ended up homeless.

There's encampments that spring up -- sprung up around Springfield.

It's not because of just homeless people, like Los Angeles, that are drugged out.

It's, they can't afford anything else.

And that's their only option.

GLENN: I have to tell you, if this were happening in my city and somebody came to enforce some sort of ordinance, you know, I was building a house. And they were like, you've got to get a permit for this.

Because we have to know for fire safety. I would tell them, go to hell.

When you decide to have everybody if along with your rules.

Then you can come see me. I mean, this is -- this is -- this is a -- a -- a national nuclear bomb, that is about to go off.

People are not going to tolerate this.

You know, I heard a guy yesterday, he was a vet.

And he was in Chicago. And he said, what is happening here?

We have vets on the street!

I'm barely making it.

We have homeless people. You're doing more for these -- these illegals, than you're doing for us.

And then he said, the key words.

He said, you need to do that, for us. As well.

Well, that's universal everything.

And they're pushing us into this.

This is -- you cannot push these cities to the brink like this.

This is Cloward and Piven.

And the result will be Communism. If Kamala has her way.

This is extraordinarily dangerous. What can be done to help Springfield, Julio?

JULIO: Well, that's interesting. Because, again, during the public comment section of the meeting last night.

I would actually say more people spoke in favor of just saying, well, the Haitians are here. There's nothing we can do about it.

We just need to work through it. As opposed to saying, we need to stop accepting Haitians.

GLENN: You've got to be kidding me.

JULIO: So it kind of appears, you know, from -- there's a sizeable amount of people who have just resigned themselves to this new reality.

And it doesn't seem like -- and, you know, obviously, that's just one snapshot of the community. But it -- but I also -- I also think that people are afraid of speaking out on the issue.

Because -- because of the national attention.

And just because of the environment that we're in.

They're afraid they will be called racist. They are afraid they will be called bigoted and everything else.

It's a small town. So everybody knows everybody.

And so I think that's part of the issue. But that in and of itself is a big problem. Because if you're not going to speak out about it. Then the loudest voices will get their way. Right? So in terms of what could be done with Springfield.

Nothing will change. Nothing will change, if Harris takes back the White House. And it's not going to be just Springfield. It will be more -- it will be, yeah, cities across the country.

And so I think it's significant, that -- I started my reporting, on the border crisis. It was always on the border.

And, you know, now we're hearing the end of the Biden/Harris term.

Her term. And I'm having to do immigration stories in America's heartland.

GLENN: Every town is a border town. We've been saying that for years now.

JULIO: At first, it sounded a little corny. You know, it didn't sound very -- but it is -- it is 100 percent true. And it's not just Chicago. It's not just New York City. It's not just Denver.

It is any -- any town can face this, within the next couple of years.

GLENN: Julio, we'll talk to you again, maybe tomorrow.

Thank you so much for the update. I appreciate it.

Julio Rosas. He's TheBlaze media national correspondent.

Now, let me say something. You're not going to fix this. Nothing will change, if you just acquiesce.

If you just go along with it. Well, there's nothing I can do.

Do you see that they're testing you again?

This is like COVID. Wear a mask, 6 feet apart. Stay in your house. No kids going to school.

They're -- they know what they could get away with on that. Now, what are they doing?

They're taking jobs. And giving them to illegals. Without taking care of our own people, first!

And you're just resigned to that?

Nothing will change, in this country. And, you know what, I believe Donald Trump was saved by the Lord. I believe that was a miracle, that he turned his head.

When you see the picture, of the bullet, as he's turning his head, that's a miracle.

It's a miracle that that guy got up, it's a miracle that that guy got up, and said, stand your ground.

Fight!

It's a miracle that that guy goes on stage every day.

He's actually in the fight.

And we're going to say, I don't want to be called racist.

That word has no meaning anymore.

No meaning. No words have meanings. If I may quote my mother, sticks and stones will break your bones.

But words will never hurt you.

You've got to stand up. If you don't, you will get what you deserve.

You will first become part of the problem. And then you will be part and parcel with the wrong side.

You know what's right. You must stand up.

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Megyn Kelly EVISCERATES ABC Debate moderators for Kamala bias

@MegynKelly‬ joins Glenn Beck to react to the ABC News Presidential Debate. At no point was it Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris, she argues. It was Trump vs EVERYONE. As a former presidential debate moderator herself, Megyn tears into the ABC News moderators for "fact-checking" Trump while letting Kamala get away with lie after lie: “The only time you should weigh in as a moderator is if the integrity of your question is attacked. These ABC News moderators didn’t understand that, or they just didn’t care.” Plus, Megan explains why she believes Harris' performance at the debate didn't win her any votes: "The person who’s going to be [our first female president] is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing hysteric.”

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GLENN: Megyn Kelly, welcome to the program. How are you, Megyn?

MEGYN: Enraged. Angry. Just in disbelief at what our imagery has become.

GLENN: It was state-run media.

For her to go in and say so many lies. She -- that proves, this is state-run media.

She knew she could get away with saying lie after lie after lie after lie.

I've never seen anything like it.

And no corrections.

MEGYN: I could have lived with that. Politicians lie all the time. But the one-sided, quote, fact-checking was so outrageous.

I would have been fine. They have done what CNN did. Which is just be quiet. Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did not try to fact-check the candidates. They let them do that to each other. Which is totally appropriate in a presidential debate. It's actually the way it should be. It's not our job to set the record straight.

The only time you should weigh in as a moderator, is if the integrity of your questions is attacked. Right? Like they're attacking the underlying foundation for what they're asking. But as for the answer, that's for the other candidate to do.

And these ABC news moderators didn't understand that, or they just didn't care. If CNN actually got hammered by the left for doing that, the left wanted them to get out there and criticize Donald Trump. And they said, oh, no, you said this. And that's wrong and so on. And ABC News clearly watched that and said, oh, well, that can't be us.

We've got to pander to our base. And so they only fact-checked him. Their fact-checks were incorrect and/or were opinion.

And then you had the assist by the rest of the media, and back to CNN. And its absolute credence, named Daniel Dale.

Who is fact-checked after the fact. Was that Trump lied 33 times. And she lied once!

GLENN: Once!

MEGYN: That's what we're up against. Yes!

GLENN: What was the one he picked?

Was it like a lottery? You put all the lies into a little basket, and you twirl it around, mix it up.

B17. What was the lie?

MEGYN: Yeah. He didn't make that clear. Because on Twitter, he called her out for trying to claim that she had reversed her -- her personal stance on fracking in 2020. You know, she wanted to ban it. And then in 2020, she has been claiming she didn't want to ban it, which isn't true.

In 2020, the VP debate, she said Joe Biden would not ban it. She has never put her stance on it.

But nothing about the Charlottesville, both sides lie, about the bloodbath, about the 2025 nonsense, about saying Trump is against IVF.

Nothing. No, that's fine.

GLENN: So, Megyn, what she had to do last night was assure people, that -- that hadn't seen her, act presidential, to appear to be strong, tough, and presidential.

Did she do that, for enough people?

MEGYN: Well, you added that phrase at the end. Which makes me say, no.

"For enough people." I don't think it was a game-changer last night. I think most people will say, she won the debate. But here's what I saw.

I saw somebody who engaged in nothing, but personal ad hominem attacks against Donald Trump throughout.

I mean, at every chance she could. She went low, insulted him personally. And on that, he actually didn't take the bait. He took the bait on every other thing. You know, on the subject of immigration, and suddenly, we're off topic about rally size. And he went there.

Okay. But on the personal attacks, he didn't. I saw somebody who couldn't control herself emotionally. She was on screen, right? Harrumphing. Rolling her eyes. Hands up on the chin. Like, oh, aren't you so interesting?

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. That was -- I've never seen anybody actually put their hand up on the chin, and rest their elbow on their other hand.

I mean, it was --

MEGYN: And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This country has not elected a female president in 250 years. The person who is going to be number one is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing, hysteric. And that's how she appeared in the split screen for the first half an hour of the debate. She's not a controlled leader. I cannot believe that the people sitting at home, don't forget this election is coming down at the margins to men versus women.

Men are for Trump. And women are for Kamala. That these men sitting at home, are going to say, I'm going to vote for her.

I can sit at home, on Election Day, and let her win. I just think they're going to be motivated by how extreme she is. Yes, on policy. Which Trump failed to point out last night.

But her behavior. She's not a strong leader. She's the opposite of a Margaret Thatcher. And I think her schoolgirl attacks on him personally. You know, trying to undermine the dignity of this man who served as president. And who almost was assassinated a month or two ago. And her eye rolling and so on.

Which telegraphs, I can't control myself. Were a real turnoff.

GLENN: Let me ask you.

I was personally offended. And I can't imagine that the American people weren't.

When he was talking about how people are suffering.

And you can't afford, you know, the groceries, at the grocery store.

When she laughed and rolled her eyes, at that. I saw that, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. You -- you're in, A, such denial, that that is happening.

Or you just don't care!

Do you think that -- did that play on you?

MEGYN: Yep. It was moment that she laughed. She laughed when he was raising what was happening in Springfield, Ohio.

She openly laughed. These four people, if you can accept the testimonials or not, they have not, in fact, been debunked. You have one city manager, who says he can't prove any of that.

He hasn't found the proof of it.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another totally inappropriate quote, fact checked by David Muir. What we have here is a "he said, she said" situation. It's not up to the moderators to try to fix it.

But she laughed at it. She rolled her eyes. And what is she laughing at? Immigration. What's happening in our cities, because of the minimal. This has what has been documented. 10.4 million illegals, who have come under her watch.

2.3 million under Trump's four years. 10.4, minimum, not counting gotaways, under hers.

And when the question is raised, look at what's happening to American cities, because of it. She laughed.

You know who is not laughing? The family of Laken Riley, the family of that 12-year-old little girl who was murdered by illegals down at the Southern border, who Trump went down and spent time with.

That's the kind of stuff, Trump needed to raise and didn't.

But at a minimum, his team now today, needs to be showing cackling Kamala, back at it, on the two worse issues for her: The economy and immigration.

GLENN: Yeah. Can you run for president?

You would make a really good president. You would. You would make a really good president.

MEGYN: Thank you. I'm too happy a person for that.
(laughter)

GLENN: So you agree that Trump -- she came out immediately and said, let's do another one.

I think he should say, sure. Let's do five.

MEGYN: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that would be amazing.

And you know what they should say, I'll do it. And I'll pick one moderator. And you pick the other.

Why don't we do that?

Don't give it to -- if Trump agrees to go on another mainstream -- and that's a fake term. That is just a BS term. What is mainstream about these people?

GLENN: I think we should start calling them state media. It's state media now.

MEGYN: True. This is one example. How many questions did we have on 2020 election denialism and so on? And how many questions did we have about what's being done to young girls in this country, and about the cutting off body parts of kids who are just confused, because their parents got a divorce.

Not one. They don't care. They're in favor of that. That's not mainstream. So, anyway, if he agrees to go back on the air and do a debate with another state-run media company -- NBC, CBS, obviously ABC is out -- they ought to be out forever. No Republican should ever agree to that again.

GLENN: Ever. Ever.

MEGYN: MSNBC. Then he deserves what he gets. He deserves what he gets. It should be, if they do anything at this point forward, there's no moderator. They go mono a mono. Or he picks one, and she picks one.

GLENN: But he has got to expose her, because nobody else will. And she will crumble eventually. I mean, she just -- she's arrogant now.

She came in after five days of memorizing all of these lies. Really well-prepared.

MEGYN: Yes. Uh-huh. That's what was so frustrating, Glenn.

You can see it, couldn't you.

She was like an automaton. Giving these lies. She heard this before the DNC.

Mark Halperin reported that she's been getting help -- he did it sort of tongue-in-cheek, so you had to read between the lines.

But it was CAA. And Brian Lord who was one of the heads of CAA. One of the most powerful agencies or one of them. Talent agency, in the country.

And that they were bringing in top Hollywood actors and actresses, to coach her, on delivery.

That's what she -- it takes to make her salable to the American people. But I really believe that the people sitting in Ohio, know that. They watched that. And there's just no way, they looked at her, and thought, yeah. This is the genuine person who cares about me.

She barely talked about them.

Her whole -- debate performance was to convince them -- by the way, same stance of the moderators. How terrible Trump is.

It was not, your first day in service. She tried to say, oh, I'm middle class. And I understand your problems.

It was not about them, or the economy.

GLENN: One last thing.

When she was calling him week, and remember, she said -- you're going to hear nothing, but name-calling tonight. Well, yes, from her.

But when she kept saying over and over again, you know, you're weak. You're weak. You're weak.

She was just trying to get the under his skin, the entire time. And I have to tell you, I don't know if I could have been as restrained as he was last night. You know, 90 minutes of lies.

MEGYN: I don't.

GLENN: I don't think I could have contained myself. I would have lost.

MEGYN: I agree. I agree.

I mean, my blood was boiling. His blood had to be boiling. Obviously, this was her plan. But the -- the number of personal emasculating attacks, she launched on him.

If he had done anything like that, to her. He would be getting lectured all day, about his misogyny.

GLENN: Yes.

MEGYN: But she got away with it entirely. And all I could think of when I looked at Trump, this is like a soldier in -- in a foxhole. Surrounded by enemy fire.

GLENN: Yeah.

MEGYN: Trying to return fire, you know, one by one by one. But the hits we him were uniform.

It was a pile-on. It was non-stop. And when I looked at the way ABC handled it.

100 percent as effective and strong as a competitor to him, as she was.

All I could think was, ambush.

This is an ambush. They laid a trap for him, by assuring him, they could be fair.

He fell for it. He walked in there. And all they did was ask him horrible questions for him.

If he didn't answer it. You know, he tried to bridge. Or he had his own messaging. On him, they would follow-up. The question was this. The question was this.

On her, they never did that. And then they would try to fact-check him. And nine times out of ten. Their fact-check was incorrect.

And they never once fact-checked her.

And all of the topic selection was left-wing anti-Trump. I mean, every single question they asked, maybe two were normal.

GLENN: It was. It was.

MEGYN: So he was like the soldier that was ambushed.

And now, I do have a belief.

I know it's contrarian.

But I really have a belief. That the average American at home, who watches that, gets it on a visceral level.

And I just don't expect any sort of big bounce for her.

GLENN: From your lips to God's ear. Thank you so much, Megyn.

You can hear Megyn and, you know, her whole opinion on Sirius XM, immediately following this program on Triumph.

Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Megyn.

MEGYN: My pleasure.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.

OUTRAGEOUS! Glenn Beck REACTS to Harris/Trump ABC News Presidential Debate

"I have never heard as many LIES in any debate." Glenn Beck rails against the "state-run media" immediately after watching the ABC News Presidential Debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Not only did Harris spew lie after lie, but the ABC News moderators ONLY fact-checked Trump! Joining Glenn for analysis on the panel are fellow BlazeTV hosts Stu Burguiere of‪@studoesamerica‬, Sara Gonzales of‪@saragonzalesunfiltered‬, ‪@lizwheeler‬, and Steve Deace‪@sdeace‬‪@sdeace‬.

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Liz Wheeler: Trump must EXPOSE these RADICAL Kamala Harris plans

BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ joins Glenn Beck with her predictions for the ABC News debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Does Kamala want to appear as a “girl boss” taking on a white, patriarchal bully? How should Trump counter this? Liz advises Trump to focus on how radical Harris is, despite what she claims on the campaign trail: highlight her record on things like abortion, child gender surgeries, the military and foreign wars, and the economy.

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. How are you?

LIZ: Hi, I'm well. Thanks for having had me.

GLENN: You're welcome. You're welcome. So I guess I will start with where Stu started with me this morning. Are you optimistic?

LIZ: I'm so excited for this debate.

GLENN: Are you really?

LIZ: Yes. I'm a political nerd. I just love this stuff.

I know it's a circus. It's a clown show.

It seems like a culmination of what we fight for every day. We finally have two people that are representing polar opposite viewpoints for our country.

Different paths. And I'm rooting for Trump.

I think he can win. But I think one of the most important thing he has to do is understand his enemy. If you know your enemy, then you will be able to tweet them. And he has to be very self-aware that Kamala Harris will be this girl boss. Girl power. She will try to provoke him emotionally.

And he has to be able to let that roll off his back.

GLENN: So what do you mean, she will be the girl boss, girl power?

LIZ: Remember when she was debating Mike Pence during the last round, and she goes, excuse me, Vice President, I'm speaking?

Why do you think this time, her team, insisted that the mics be left open. Remember, the first debates?

Between Trump and Biden. The mics were muted. So you could only speak during your allotted time, otherwise no one would be able to hear you. All of a sudden, she had agreed to this.

Then last week, her team said, we want the mics open. Why?

So she could run these, quote, unquote, fact-checks in realtime.

She can say, you're lying, I'm speaking. And make it seem like he's this white patriarchal male, who is trying to be a bully to her as a woman of color.

GLENN: Right.

I think if he handle this is debate, exactly the same way, he handled it the way with Joe Biden.

He will do really well.

LIZ: Yes. He did very well with Joe Biden.

Because he was so disciplined with his message.

See, this is the thing. Kamala Harris is a radical. She is not moderate. She's not centrist. She shouldn't appeal to independents. She is a radical leftist. A Marxist. Her father was a Marxist. Is a Marxist.

Economics professor.

And Donald Trump should highlight that.

He has all the facts on his side.

She had been in the White House for four years thousand.

Her record is Joe Biden's record.

GLENN: Well, I don't know if you heard the news today.

But her policy page is Joe Biden's policy page.

How do you do that?

LIZ: It's like a gift to the Trump campaign.

GLENN: Oh, it absolutely is.

LIZ: She will come out and pretend to be a prosecutor. She will ask him pointed question after pointed question without --

GLENN: Yeah, she will call him a felon.

LIZ: Yes, and you know what she should do?

If she calls him a felon. Because she's going to -- that's polled well for them. He should say, Madam Vice President, do you agree with the Supreme Court ruling, that the vaccine mandate that came from the Biden/Harris administration was illegal? If she says she agrees with the Supreme Court, then she is acknowledging that she was a tyrant. Trying to violate all of our medical freedoms. And if she says no, I think the Supreme Court is wrong. Then she's saying, she thinks it's illegal to do that.

When you want to talk about crime -- a visceral response that people are going to have to a crime committed against them, he should pivot to the topic that's important for the viewers to understand. He's never going to change Kamala's mind on mind.

That's not the point. The point is to showcase the American people, what she is.

GLENN: You know, you've started with saying. And I've wanted this for a long time.

If we're going to talk about communism. We're going to talk about truly changing the economy.

Changing the Constitution.

All the things that the world economic four up until has been doing.

Along with the Biden Harris thing.

Then let's have that -- let's that have conversation, honestly. You know.

And we do have, literally, a communist.

She -- what she is preparing, is communism.

And her dad loves that stuff. So she grew up steeped in all of this stuff.

But she won't admit it. That's the problem.

LIZ: No, but her track record shows it. So all Trump has to do is remember one question. Every time she makes an assertion, he should say, what does that mean?

He should say it rhetorically. He shouldn't give her back the microphone. He says, I'm going to be tough on the border. What does that mean?

During the past four years, when you were in the White House and had control of this, as the border czar, which was acknowledged by the United States Congress after Biden appointed you to that position, eight and a half million illegal aliens cross the border. So when you say you will be tough on the border, is that your definition of tough on the border, or did you fail when you had a chance at this job?

GLENN: She is going to say, we have greatly stopped the flow of --

KAMALA: I hope she does, because that will turn people off.

Because people have Haitian migrants eating ducks in their front yard in Springfield, Ohio. They won't believe her when she says, everything is hunky-dory.

GLENN: Yeah, I don't -- tell me this.
I said to Stu yesterday, that I'm actually becoming more and more optimistic about this election.

Because things are getting so bad.

KAMALA: Yeah.

GLENN: That the average person. I mean if you're -- you're a stay at home mom. If you're a mom, you are worried about your kids getting to and from school. Even in California.

Where now the immigrants are just staying at the bus stop.

Standing there with your kids. And if the bus sees a bunch of immigrants there.

Because they're trying to get on the buses. If they see them, they just blow on by. They won't pick your kid up.

So now your kid is left at the bus stop, with illegals, because the bus driver does not want to stop. You have your -- every day, you're going in, and you're fighting against prices.

The rate of the rise of inflation. Has slowed down.

But they keep saying that, you know, inflation is -- is falling.

No. The rate of how -- the rate of how -- of going up. Has slowed down.

But we're still 20 to 23 percent inflation, compared to when Trump was in office.

GLENN: That's all he has to say.

He just has to say. My fellow Americans. How much are you paying for groceries right now?

What was your grocery bill last week? How much did it cost you to fill up your tank of gas, the last time you filled up at the gas station?

And then he says, and how much did it cost when I was president?

And if Kamala Harris says, I will impose price controls, or some other Communist measure for the food industry. That's her general idea. Which showcases exactly what she is. He just has to say, well, do you support continuing to send US dollars to Ukraine. Because that's what's causing inflation.

She will say, yes. This is a fight against Putin. He's a tyrant. Blah, blah, blah. After she finishes her spiel, Trump just says, okay. So what I'm hearing you say, is, yes, you want to continue to spend American dollars in Ukraine.

Which means you're saying to the American people, you don't care how much their gas and groceries cost.

I do care. And I've proved that. Because when I was in the White House, people had a very different life, than when you were in the White House.

GLENN: Yes. When it comes up to Ukraine. I mean, right now, Afghanistan is on everybody's mind again because it was the anniversary.

And that was such a disaster. And now, we are -- we are openly praising Ukrainians for their drone attacks on Moscow.

We would never put a -- if Canada became an enemy, and Russia was sending drones over. And military equipment.

And they were -- they were bombing with drones. New York or Washington, DC.

We would not put up with it.

They're not going to put up with it either.

And you can't -- how is she going to make the case, that we are safer today?

Again, I go back to the mom, worried about her kids.

I don't want to send my kids to war.

I don't want our world to be at war. I'm also, I don't want drag queens in my -- at my school, you know, for my kids.

All of these things are so much worse.

That I just think that, when people close the curtain, this time around, they are going to reflect. Do I want more of this?

GLENN: Right. This is why I encourage President Trump to stay on message. Because if you get into the weeds on the personal stuff, as entertaining as that might be for us to watch for a moment, the average American wants to talk about how things impacted them. That's classic politics.

So with the war in Ukraine. Yes. You can talk about these hypothetical war plans. The truth of the matter is, Kamala is dragging us to the bring of war. She's arguably the one who started this war, by saying Ukraine could be part of NATO.

That was, what? A month before Russia invaded Ukraine.

There's no doubt, that there was a correlation between those comments and the onset of this war. She is a warmonger. She wants to continue this.

And then she wants to draft our daughters and send them to the war. Tell that to the average suburban mom. I have two young daughters. The idea that Kamala Harris could send them off to war, enrages me.

GLENN: I have an 18-year-old daughter. That could be drafted, I guess, under her, if we went into a war. That is --

LIZ: It's unacceptable.

GLENN: And there's no Canada for my son to run to. But I would have to have some place for my son and daughter to run to.

They will not serve in a war with these people. They won't. I, as a dad would say, do not do it. Where do we have you go to?

LIZ: And it's a very frightening prospect in our country. We shouldn't be in a situation where we feel like we have to run away from our country, otherwise our children --

GLENN: Yeah. I have never felt that way. Never. Under any president.

LIZ: I have not either. And I'm a newer parent than you are. My oldest is three and a half.

But my idea that I'm already having to think about all these different ways to protect her, from the left trying to get her. Whether trying to indoctrinate her on abortion.

I actually had last year. It was not this past November, but the November before. I had a debate with the local school board member, outside the polls. I was walking in and carrying my daughter on my hip. And the school board member, or this candidate I knew was very leftist. And she wanted to talk about her policies. And I was like, sure. I enjoy this a little bit.

And I said to her, do you believe in teaching trend-setter ideology to children? And she goes, oh, we need to be inclusive. I held up my daughter who I don't use for political props. But she was just there with me voting. And I said, so if my 2-year-old at the time, said she wanted to be a boy, you would transition her behind my back? And essentially, she said yes. And I said, evil. That's evil. That's what we're fighting against. People who will say that to your face.

GLENN: I know.

LIZ: President Trump should bring that up.

GLENN: You know, it's amazing what they will say to our face. And then what they say is a conspiracy theory. That they always turn out now, to be absolutely accurate. And they eventually admit it. Yes. Okay.

That is true. The things that they say to our face, are frightening enough. When somebody is unclear with you, in this administration, you should be terrified.

And I don't know why people continue to listen to liars. You know, Donald Trump exaggerates. He exaggerates.

I don't know. I mean, I can't think of anything. Of any importance, that he has exaggerated or lied about.

Can you think of anything that he lied about?

STU: For example, we talked about a couple of times. When he was saying, no. No one opposed Roe vs. Wade being overturned. Right?

Now, what he's talking about there is clearly there were, a lot of people on the left, legal scholars who did think it was bad law. So he is summarizing a legitimate situation by overstating it.
GLENN: Yes. Correct. Correct.

LIZ: It's like a general -- a hyperbolic generalization on a lie. I'm not trying to justify or be precise. But there is a difference.

GLENN: Yeah. There is a difference. And especially when you know you're lying.

You know, it's one thing to say this, and, you know. And he said, there are fine people on both sides.

No. At this point, you are engaging in evil, because you know exactly what you're doing.

That is exact opposite of what he said. And they just. I guess people just are -- they're either numb to it. Or they hopefully are waking up, and going, you know what, these people have given me this crap, in my -- in my home. In my bank account. And with -- in my city.

I can't trust them anymore. I don't -- I mean, I just can't keep doing it.

LIZ: Right. And obviously, Kamala is responsible for her own lies. But the institution that is responsible for allowing her to be a liar is the mainstream media. And that's what I would advise President Trump.

He shouldn't come off as a bully. There is the idea that if you have a man and a woman on stage, and the man is being harsh, there are a lot of women, who will interpret that as being a bullying demeanor.

Whether or not it's true, that's simply the reality of how people perceive things. And so he should say, what does that mean? When she says a lie.

Because here are the statistics that show that that's not true. And say, I don't know why you're not -- but to deceive the American people. But this is why -- this is a good example of the damage that happens when the mainstream runs interference for you. Because you shouldn't be on the stage if you're not going to tell a truth. But that should have been weeded out years ago by media actually doing their job and asking questions, about why you were contradicting your actions.

GLENN: All right. Back in just a second. We're with Liz Wheeler. I want to talk to you, Liz, about abortion. How should he handle? Because that's her big thing.

She's in the evil territory.

LIZ: She's not just pro-choice. She's pro-abortion.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, and she's almost Malthusian. You know, when you're willing to go, well, let the baby die after birth. That's a problem.

LIZ: It's child sacrifice.

GLENN: Yeah. It is.

So how should he handle abortion? Because she's going to lie and say, he wants to take all of your rights away. Which he doesn't. But he -- he has to say, what he actually believes. But he also can't piss off his own core, because he already is --

LIZ: He did.

GLENN: Yeah. He's already pissed them off. So he doesn't need to make it worse. How does he respond to that?

LIZ: It depends on how she brings it up. I'm more pro-life than Donald Trump. I'm a pro-life absolutist, and I encourage Donald Trump and everyone to be the same.

I acknowledge the reality that he is not. My advice to him would be to start out by praising life. Say, life is precious. Life is wonderful. I have five children. I have however many grandchildren. They have been the biggest blessings of my life. And I want to ensure that women across our country and American families, I want to make abortion unthinkable. I want to change the culture so that life is something that we value. I want to us think, who might this young girl or young boy be?

And I want to make it financially possible, I want people to feel financially secure and emotionally supported when they face these surprise pregnancies.

I believe that life begins at conception. I know he's unlikely to say that. Because he talks often about thinking abortion is okay through six weeks. I obviously disagree with that. But I encourage him to follow the science.

He always talks about following the heart. If he truly spends some time and reflection, I think he should be based.

I think he should say, abortion is wrong. Abortion is sad. Abortion ends the life of an unborn baby, who had potential and a future. And it harms women, it harms families. It harms our country. I don't want that.

And he should make it a generally positive message, without sacrificing the value of the dignity of life.

GLENN: Can he go in to, you know, she wants -- she wants abortion after birth?

CAORL: Oh, of course, he should highlight. He, of course, should highlight just how radical she is.

I mean, this is one of the most radical politicians in our country on abortion, if not the most.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. She's almost Margaret Sanger.

LIZ: Probably more so, because Margaret Sanger at the beginning didn't support late-term abortion or after-birth abortion.

GLENN: That's true. That's true.

LIZ: Kamala Harris does.

And he should highlight, that she's out of step with the American people. Even women who identify as pro-choice, 80 percent of Americans, including pro-choice women want late-term abortion to be banned.

Sixty percent want late-term abortion should be banned. He should highlight that he stands with the majority of America. And that she -- she does not.

And he certainly should highlight that the CDC says between 13 and 30,000 times a year, late-term abortions happen. That's awful.

GLENN: Liz Wheeler. She'll be joining us tonight for our live coverage of the debate on Blaze TV.

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