What happens when we die? John Burke has studied near-death experiences for the past three decades, and what he found transformed him from an agnostic engineer to a pastor. The stories of those who have clinically died but come back to life, he says, point to the “reality of heaven and hell” and the overwhelming love of the God of the Bible who has kept his promises to Abraham and continues to keep his promises today. In a touching conversation about redemption and atonement, Glenn and John discuss afterlife “life reviews” and how we voluntarily lock ourselves in hell when we don’t forgive ourselves. Glenn shares a vivid dream that helped him understand the light of God, and John details the incredible story of how a descendant of Muhammad came to faith in Jesus.

In the end, the pair agree that even though we live in an “evil and broken world,” what matters most to God is “how we treat one another.”