18-year-old Chloe Cole was 11 years old when she began to think she was a boy born into the wrong body. And, thanks to therapists who convinced her parents there were no other options available, she began to fully transition as a young teen. Cole joins Glenn in this clip to not only detail her story but to explain why she’s choosing to take a stand against gender surgery for children today. "I wasn't shown love," Cole says. "I was just pushed onto this path…And, I mean, it's affected the overall picture of my health and my life. And I've just been trying to pick up the pieces of my life since then."
The mainstream media is collapsing as Vice Media and CBS News announce major changes. But now, progressives have talk radio in their sights. Glenn reviews the latest changes to the world of radio that could dismantle the entire system and crush free speech: George Soros is on the verge of taking control of Audacy, the second largest broadcaster in America; An investor based in Singapore is trying to take over Cumulus Media, the third largest broadcaster; And the FCC is forcing all broadcasters to start posting a race and gender scorecard on the demographics of their workforce. This is all an attempt to crush one of the last bastions of free speech, Glenn says.
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: I want to give a mile-marker. I feel that part of my job is to inform you.
What direction are we going in? And how fast are we going?
Let me give you a couple of stories that are gravely, gravely concerning.
I told you, last week, the Soros fund management, you know, run by billionaire George Soros and his son. Have now taken control or are on the verge of taking control of Audacy.
Audacy is the second largest broadcaster in America. Only iHeartRadio owns more.
And thank God, at this point, i Heart media. IHeartRadio has the Premiere Radio networks.
I've worked for this company in one way or another, since 1989.
They are my partner with this broadcast. And they have been always very, very supportive. If it wasn't for my partners, Julie Talbot and Dan Meador, and all of the people at i Heart media, who have just -- this show wouldn't be heard anywhere.
So i Heart is the only one, right now, not under attack.
And I will tell you about this. First, Audacy. Audacy amassed $1.9 billion in debt. They filed for bankruptcy.
And now Soros is taking on the -- the fund, and they will be the largest shareholder, once the bankruptcy proceedings conclude. Where are we?
They're dismantling radio.
And buying radio up. Now, Soros has already bought, what?
Last year. I think 50 radio stations that were all Spanish-speaking.
Gee. Isn't that interesting?
Now he's buying up, the second largest broadcaster in America.
Audacy owns 220 stations. News Talk, in New York. Chicago. Los Angeles. All some of the biggest news talk stations in the country.
They own the -- the radio stations, including KDWM, in Las Vegas.
KDK in Pittsburgh. They have Dana Loesch on many other stations. They have Sean Hannity. Mark Levin. And George Soros has spent more than $21 billion over the last few decades.
He spent 1.3 billion in 2022 alone.
Most of that cash went to left-wing causes, including Media Matters, Planned Parenthood, the Sunrise Movement.
He is the guy who has put in the radical DAs. And the radical attorneys general.
And now, what?
He's buying up talk radio. Why would you do that?
Why would you buy all of these broadcasts?
It seems like it's a failing industry, right? It's not.
It's not. About 80 percent of the people, till listen to radio.
80 percent. That's incredible. You think -- nobody listens to the radio. 80 percent still listen to the radio.
Okay. So that is the second largest broadcaster, now going to George Soros.
Then we have this.
Cumulus. Cumulus used to be the ABC radio network. It used to be the largest. Now, I think it is the third largest.
Cumulus is facing a takeover from an investor based in Singapore.
Part of the process of their bankruptcy. It has asked for, and received from the FCC permission to become as much as 100 percent foreign-owned.
So the third largest broadcaster, is about to go to a Singapore Holdings Company.
How does this bid, for America?
You have George Soros, and a Singapore can. And then i Heart, all alone.
But don't worry, news for radio gets even better. Yesterday, Brenden Carr, he's an FCC commissioner. He came out and said, the FCC has just ordered every broadcaster to start posting a race and gender scorecard, that breaks down the demographics of their workforce.
Activist lobbied for this, because they want to see businesses pressured into hiring people based on their race and gender. Courts have already overturned the FCC twice for pressuring broadcasters to making hiring decisions in violation of the Constitution.
This is a shot across our bow now, if the Supreme Court doesn't stop them again. We will now, if I want to be on radio, have to disclose, by the way.
I don't have a problem doing this.
I'm almost 2 percent Native American.
So I'm a minority, inside of a minority.
Anyway, we have to start hiring, based on gender and everything else.
I don't care what, you know, male, female. I don't care who you sleep with. I don't care what color you are.
I really don't.
I want to know what's inside of your head.
I want to know, how you think.
Can you bring something different, that I don't bring to the table?
That's how I hire.
Can you fit what your different thinking is, into what I'm trying to accomplish?
If you can, great!
We're going to work together forever.
Most of the people, that I work with, and I apologize for this. Spend their life with me.
STU: Sort of feels that way.
GLENN: Because we have a good working relationship. We all respect each other. Again, except for Stu.
This is really, and let me give you another one. This is not about radio.
Vice media, stops publishing on Vice.com. Slashes hundreds of jobs, amid mainstream media death spiral.
So all of these mainstream media companies, they're all -- did you hear about CBS?
And Catherine Herridge -- how do you say her name?
Herridge. Right? I can't remember.
Anyway, worked with her at Fox. We were obviously very close.
But she's very, very credible.
She's worked -- I don't agree with her all the time. But she's an actual journalist.
And CBS News they just threw her out.
She's gone. Now, they're saying, that's we've laid lots of people off, recently.
Because we're collapsing.
STU: That's their argument. For themselves.
GLENN: Yeah. We're collapsing.
Okay. Well, maybe. Or maybe a real journalist just isn't welcomed there anymore.
I don't know.
But everything, all of the media, what I said to Stu. And when we were at the height of Fox. I said, we have to get out of here.
And everybody is like, what?
Everybody works their whole life to get here. And I'm like, we have to get out of here.
I said, this whole thing is going to burn itself down. It's all going to collapse.
And here we are. It's all collapsing.
But as I said at the time as well, if you're here, while it collapses, and you'll survive, you'll then be working for the government.
Because all of these people, will get bail. They'll get bailed out by the federal government.
We can't. These institutions are far too important. This has it goes back to your Cloward and Piven stuff from yesterday.
It's worth watching. If you go to your Blaze TV account. You can watch it on demand.
It's one of those situations.
Vice is a great example of this.
How many articles did vice write about how your career and life were collapsing.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
Over and over again.
STU: Over and over again.
And all these companies, writing for years. About how conservative media personalities were going to flame out, and their businesses were going to collapse, are now all gone.
They're just -- they've all either dissolved. Or fired all their people. And AI is writing their articles.
It is, sure, satisfying. For me. But it is -- it is embarrassing for them, I would assume.
It's -- I don't know. Maybe they've all just -- they all moved on. They're all taking money from the government. And living at home now.
Or working from home now.
I don't know. It doesn't seem like they're able to keep any of these things afloat.
How much -- how much money did Vice get?
Billions and billions of dollars.
Of just free investment cash. Dumped into that place.
GLENN: Can you imagine if we would have had hundred --
STU: Oh, my gosh.
GLENN: Hundred million. Just 100 million. Compared to the billions that they had.
Just 100 million -- 50 million in investment.
Can you imagine what we could have done with it? Because we wouldn't have wasted it. They just wasted it.
STU: And this is also while they're producing shows for HBO. I mean, they were handed a media empire, with let's be honest, no valid reason to be handed a media empire.
I mean, like, vice did some interesting stuff early on.
They were kind of the different. They just turn into the typical left-wing news source.
And we were supposed to sit here and be like, oh, wow. This is amazing. It's innovative.
Let's just throw money at these people. What do they do?
The place is gone, basically.
GLENN: We sat there, for I don't know how many meetings. I sat there with big, big companies, that were trying to figure out, how we were doing it.
And at the time, we were doing it, more right than anybody else. We were still wrong.
And we had no margin of error. Because it was all on me.
And they were trying to figure out, you know, what do we do? What do we do?
And I remember sitting in meetings going, your numbers don't make sense. I'm sorry, guys. I'm not an accountant. I'm not a good businessman.
But I can look at this. You're selling what for what? And how do you even know that's true?
And it was all hype. It was all hype.
Now all that hype is over. And it's all falling apart. The mainstream media is falling apart.
And look what's happening.
You know, I mean, said recently, it's been quiet, on the western front.
It's been all quiet for quite some time in talk radio.
Haven't really had any attacks on talk radio. Been squished with digital. But on talk radio, haven't had a single problem.
What was that all about?
They forget about us?
No. No. They're just going to take it.
They're just going to take it in public/private partnerships. And the left, because our billionaires do nothing.
Honest to God, our billionaires who believe in America, the only one that I know, that is actually putting his money where his mouth is. Is Donald Trump.
I mean, there is a handful.
STU: Yeah. I don't agree with that. There are some of these guys, very active. Not always publicly.
GLENN: Yes. But George Soros.
I mean, if you're going to stand up, stand up. Stand up.
You want to stay in the shadows? That's fine.
And I thank you for it. But get your friends to stand up. Why isn't -- we know the power of talk radio.
We know the power of radio. Where are our billionaires? Why aren't they stepping to the plate?
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New York’s $355 million civil fraud charge against former president Donald Trump just got MORE INSANE. The charge was already unprecedented. But Glenn and Stu reveal how New York has handled previous similar cases — including the MUCH WORSE actions taken by other companies charged under this rule. This is so obviously a targeted attack against Trump, Glenn argues: “There is no way that I would keep my business in New York. There is no rule of law now.”
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: Okay. Hello, Stu.
You know, I was thinking about this big lawsuit.
STU: Against the president, former president.
First, he had the $83 million from E. Jean Carroll situation.
GLENN: Which was really caused by him.
STU: This was an interesting point.
He got, I think a totally false accusation against him.
GLENN: Yeah. Totally false.
STU: He said, this was false, this is crazy. He fought it. They went through this case. I think he totally got screwed.
And they ruled against him for a few million dollars. And they said, basically, you can't go on and talk about this anymore.
And he just did.
He was like, I don't care what you say.
GLENN: Yeah. And you know what, you have that right, to do that. If that's what you -- you know, if that's what you want.
STU: He knew what the price of that was. Yes, correct.
STU: He knew the price would be high.
And sometimes, occasionally, people made the point, that Donald Trump, you know, creates some of his own issues. Okay?
GLENN: Yes. But he also has what I like to call FU money.
STU: He has FU money. Right. Exactly.
GLENN: 85 million, it's worth it. She sucks.
STU: Sometimes people have pointed out. That when he makes some of his own problems, he will still say he's the victim of persecution.
He will kind of go to that -- that's kind of the way it goes.
And some have noticed this over time. But might I address this lawsuit, that came down, and this ruling in New York.
GLENN: $355 million. It will cost him over 400 million, when it's all said and done.
By the way, ruling yesterday, the same -- or, the same Supreme Court justice.
Said with that he of some provided a good reason, as to why he should delay the judgment from last week.
So he said, you failed to explain much less justify any basis for a stay. I'm confident that the appellate division will protect your appellate rights. So he has to cough this up.
Now, they're talking about, this is so much money, that he's going to have to put up, probably real estate and sell the -- some real estate to be able to pay for this.
Because you have to put -- you have to put that money into a bond.
And then you have a bond holder, holding it for you.
GLENN: And you have to pay them an additional fee.
STU: Right. Right. And then hopefully, you win the appeal. And eventually, don't have to pay it then.
GLENN: It will still cost you about 50 million. This has it will still suck.
GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.
STU: But talking about whether he's the victim of political persecution. I believe this case, it's actually provable.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
STU: Like it is -- but it's not just, oh, yeah.
It's not the just, oh, yeah. Well, of course.
Because I think on its face, that's how I react to this.
Right? He's running for president of the United States. They're trying to put him out of business.
Throw him in prison.
Take him off the ballots.
It's so blatantly obvious, on the surface. That that's how I translate it.
GLENN: The only thing he hasn't been hit with is, you know.
Like, here. Have some uranium pie.
STU: Right. That's true.
GLENN: The only thing, is he's not been hit with an umbrella, or the little pin at the end of it. Like the CIA.
STU: That's about it. That's it.
And so I think on its surface, it's easy to just look at this. The details of this one, in particular, are so egregious.
First of all, it's not like, a -- this number that they came up with. They just came up with like an algorithm that they built to come up with this number.
And it's like, well, we think, if he didn't defraud these banks, then the banks would have made more money.
Now, of course, the banks could have gone to have, and requested a higher interest rate. Which they didn't do.
GLENN: Because they found him a good risk. Because they've done business with him before.
STU: Before. And they all knew he had lots of money. And they all knew he had a successful business.
They all knew he would pay back the loans. They all knew this would occur.
So they went down this road. Now, of course, their case in New York. Hey, you defaulted all these banks. Screwed all these banks out of money.
You have to pay $350 million to us.
STU: The state of New York.
GLENN: Because the banks --
STU: The banks get none of this.
GLENN: They didn't file this.
There was no complaint. None.
STU: Even if you think there was no complaint.
If you're saying, they were defrauded. You would think, they would get the money.
But no. It goes directly to the state of New York. Which is just another comical layer to this.
But listen to this breakdown of this particular rule. This law. And how it's been used, in the past.
Because as you point out. There's no victims here. No one is coming.
No bank is like, hey. By the way, he lied about this. It didn't work out for us.
GLENN: In fact, the banks testified on his behalf. Saying, there was no victim.
We knew this. We take that into account with everybody we loan.
That's why we have a whole division that goes out, and does the estimates for us.
We know. We're not stupid.
STU: Right. So this law has been around for 70 years.
And it is -- there is multiple facets of this.
There's the big fine.
Which is kind of the headline.
Also, the fact that they might take his business away.
They're saying his kids can't run the business anymore.
They're trying to turn this into essentially a death penalty for this company.
GLENN: Yes, they are.
So it is the only big business. That was threatened with a shutdown without showing obvious victims or majors losses in 70 years.
The only one. Okay?
The AP went the lie 150 cases, since New York's repeated fraud statute was passed in 1956.
And it showed that nearly every previous time, a company was taken away. Victims and losses were key factors.
You would think, right?
Customers lose money, because they bought defective products or never received services ordered. Leaving them cheated and angry.
What's more, businesses were taken over, almost always as a last resort to stop a fraud in progress, to protect potential victims.
Let's look back at this now, because there is one case where they try to take a company. Which is what they're threatening here, with the Trump Corporation. The Trump Corporation.
GLENN: Hang on.
Do we have that clip of -- of the AGs saying that they will take it? Here it is. Listen.
VOICE: Four days after a judge ordered Donald Trump to pay $355 million for a decade of fraud.
New York attorney general, Letitia James says, she's prepared to do everything she can, to make sure the former president pays his fine. Including, she told us, seizing the businesses that have his name.
VOICE: If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek, you know, judgment enforcement mechanisms in court. And we will ask the judge to seize his assets.
STU: I love the -- she's so dramatic. It's hilarious.
GLENN: I know. I know. Think of that. You're doing business in this morning.
STU: Oh, I would get out of there. You have to get out of there.
GLENN: Get out of there. And honestly, if you live in New York, honestly, you have a house in New York, you're living in New York. You're just like, yeah. Well, we don't want to give up on New York.
Get the hell out of New York.
And I know a lot of people that say, well, I can't. Because my whole family is here.
Get out, of New York.
If they're doing this kind of stuff to him, there is no rule of law in New York.
STU: It's always been liberal, right? This is totally different.
It's like the difference between the New York Times.
We were talking about this the other day. Where the New York Times is always liberal.
Then there was, hey, this is an op-ed written by a US senator.
And the op-ed guy gets fired for just letting it be printed.
STU: The crazy people on the left. The AOC's have taken over, places in the media.
And places like this in New York.
This is what it is thousand. So there's been one case. One. One in the entire seven years. Where they did this.
Where they shut down a company, that had no obvious victims.
The case was 1972.
And it was a company, relatively small company, that was writing term papers, for college students. Okay.
So I want to write my paper.
GLENN: I want to break out in God bless America.
STU: Capitalism is pretty impressive. Apparently, this didn't go over that well.
What they said, there were no obvious victims here. The people bought the term papers. They didn't want to write them. They got the term papers. They said, they were defrauding the education system.
GLENN: Which they were.
STU: This is the one time. And it's a small tiny company. Let me give you the other times they've done this.
Tell me if any of these sound like, hey, I have a good interest rate, on a loan I paid back.
Number one, a breast cancer nonprofit was shut down a dozen years ago. For using nearly all its $9 million in donations to pay for director's salaries, perks, and other expenses, instead of funding free mammograms. Okay.
So they told everyone, donate money for free. Mammograms. And they just took all the money for themselves.
That's number one. Number two, a private equity timber.
Faking big investment success, was closed down after stealing millions of dollars from thousands of investors.
You can see.
GLENN: Yeah. Got it. But on both of those so far, you have hundreds of thousands of people, you know, I'm sure. That gave -- they're all victims.
They gave their money.
STU: Yeah. And they didn't get the thing that they want.
GLENN: They didn't get the thing they were promised. You have all these people going to the AG. Saying, hey, this is a real problem here. This has to stop. Not here.
GLENN: Not here.
STU: Another one. Mental health facility, shuttered for looting $4 million from public funds, while neglecting patients.
GLENN: Okay. Kind of a big one.
STU: Pretty clear.
An auto lender that allegedly charged hidden interest rates, got to stay in business last year if it paid a fine and didn't commit fraud in the future.
So here's one they didn't shut down.
They actually let them go on.
They're going after Trump in all of this. In this one, they're like, oh. Sure, they're hidden fees.
They're not telling you about them.
STU: A judge requested.
A judge refused to request to shut down a river rafting company in 2011.
After a customer drowned, and the attorney general showed it was repeatedly using unlicensed guides, or none at all.
Instead, he ordered only a 50,000-dollar bond and cleanup -- for him to clean up his act.
The company is still being run today, under a different name by the same family. Someone died.
GLENN: We have thousands of victims.
And in this case, somebody who is dead.
STU: Is dead!
STU: They're like, you guys can stay open -- and then this one is my favorite one. A judge in 2001.
Declined to appoint a receiver, to take over a porn site, despite millions of dollars of illegal credit card charges to hundreds of customers.
Who thought they were getting a free tour.
Now, look, you're -- you want to get the free -- you want to know what you're subscribing for, Glenn. Before you just pulled the trigger on that. So you put your credit card information into a porn site, I think some of these victims need some life changes to be made here.
But they put their credit card into a porn site. Expecting a free tour.
They instead, get charged and charged and charged and charged.
In fact, once the owners of the site were caught, they attempted to move their money overseas, to avoid any penalty.
Still, the judge said, appointing a receiver was an extraordinary remedy!
That should be used sparingly, and that a preliminary injunction was good enough.
Only after all that happened, it they find out, the people running the porn site, were the Gambino crime family.
I kid you not. The Gambino crime family.
GLENN: And they didn't go into receivership.
STU: So there you go. Think about that.
I mean, it's so obvious, what they're doing. Latitia james talked about it when she ran.
Her goal was to take this one individual out.
And the New York -- the voters of New York, said, good.
Go do it.
And now she's doing it.
GLENN: Okay. If you are -- if you have business in in New York, if you're in New York, I'm just telling you. You have to do what you have to do.
There's no way, I would keep my business in New York.
There is no rule of law now. You know it on the streets. But there is no rule of law. If they can get away with this. They can do anything to you.
Many Americans across the country woke up on Thursday morning without cell service. But we still don’t know what caused the outage, which greatly affected AT&T customers, as well as some users of Verizon and T-Mobile. Was it a solar flare? Or was it a massive cyberattack? Either way, many Americans got a small taste of what life would be like after such an attack. So, are you prepared for an even bigger cellular outage, which would wipe out much more than your cell service: food, water, medicine, our entire supply chain? Glenn speaks with “One Second After” author William Forstchen, who has been warning about the devastating effects of an EMP or cyberattack for years. He and Glenn explain what you should have on hand to be ready.
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errorsGLENN: Over 50,000 AT&T outages were reported, officially at 7:00 a.m. Eastern time this morning. Most issues were happening in Houston, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, and Atlanta.
Other -- other systems were also affected. Verizon and T-Mobile. Looks like -- well, looks like they're heading on the way back up. And most of it is fixed.
They don't know what it was. But yesterday, there was a cyber attack on the phone systems, the cellular systems in Israel.
And the Israelis are reporting that that was Iran that did that. I think this is on me a matter of time, before we see stuff that will cause real problems.
There's a -- a guy, John A. Cuff.
He wrote today. Tweeted, once you've read One Second After, cell phone outages carry a different weight. And it's true.
If you've never read One Second After, I highly, highly recommend it. It was written by William Forstchen. And he tells the story about what happens, one second after an EMP. And it -- I mean, you will -- it will open your eyes into how dependent we are.
And this was written years ago. And at the time, I was like, oh, my gosh, I never even thought about that.
Oh, man. Yeah. That would no longer -- you just don't think of it. And Williams is with us now, to talk about the outage, and the attacks on our truck. Hi, William. How are you?
WILLIAM: Good morning, again. And thank you for the kind words about my book.
GLENN: Yeah. It's fantastic. William, the attack on cell phones. Our cell phones go down. And I think, a lot of Americans, they go into detox immediately. Like, I don't know what to do.
But this is something. We don't know about today. But this is something that we know our Department of Homeland Security is saying, they are waiting for cyber attacks.
It's a matter of -- of when, not if, anymore. And they're preparing.
What. Go ahead.
WILLIAM: You know, Glenn. My college. One Tree College, has a strong cyber security training program. And I'll go in their lab and just sit there sometimes. Half an hour later, I walked out scared to death.
Because if you saw the number of attacks, incoming attacks on our infrastructure, on our military, it's unrelenting.
We don't even know if some of them have broken through. Put sleepers into them. And are waiting to hit.
This is just a foretaste of the future.
GLENN: So tell me what do you think is most likely, and how it will affect us. And what we should -- how we should prepare for it.
WILLIAM: Well, first of all, if our cell phones really were dead, my daughter would have a nervous breakdown.
GLENN: I think a lot of children would.
WILLIAM: Yeah, the whole college. But number one, of course, is cyber attack. That's unrelenting from Russia, any number of bad players. Number two, actual --
GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait.
Cyber attack, could include our water system. Our electrical grid.
Or -- do you think it would be all of it, or some of it?
WILLIAM: It could be targeted to a specific or in a general offensive. Like what I would call a first strike scenario, are widespread.
For example, take where you are. To pose water, all across the board, will shut down for 48 hours.
Because that's all electronically controlled.
What would happen to your town in one day, if all water was turned off?
GLENN: It wouldn't be good.
WILLIAM: It would be very bad, within 24 to 38 hours.
WILLIAM: I'm mainly focusing more on our electrical infrastructure.
I'm doing a lot of work. I talked with FEMA last week.
That's the bad one. Because if you lose electricity, that's the fundamental Billy -- then everything goes.
Water food, medical, all of it.
All of our distribution systems are off and on.
GLENN: How prepared -- I hate asking people questions like this.
How prepared are we?
WILLIAM: We're not.
GLENN: Okay. You're not improving my mood much.
WILLIAM: And my talk with southeast FEMA last week. There are a lot of good people working in that system. They're not bad guys.
And they say the number one thing is, if only Americans would be prepared, one month worth of emergency supplies on hand.
That applies to everybody.
Whether you're living in an apartment in the city. Have emergency water on hand.
Have food on hand.
Charge your systems up.
Have a small cell phone charger. These are basic things. And 90 percent of Americans just rile go along.
It could be a very bad day.
Don't you want to be prepared before, rather than after?
GLENN: So if something like this happens, would we be -- do you think we would be in lockdown situation? Or would you be able to travel to --
If you lost your whole electrical grid, even just regionally.
It would very quickly have to be a lockdown. To avoid panic.
Trying to keep control on population. Those people living in New York, remember when sandy hit ten years ago.
It got a little hairy there. Even though, tens of thousands of emergency supplies were being moved in.
They were down for two weeks. It would have been really bad.
GLENN: Yeah, my -- my uncle used to -- my uncle used to work for, I don't know. What department in -- in the military.
But he did some of the original studies on, you know, the aftereffects of war. And crisis.
And everything else.
And he said, generally speaking, you have 72 hours.
If everything isn't restored in 72 hours, you're done. You're done.
WILLIAM: Right. He is dead-on the mark.
72-hour max. Again, if you have -- everybody listening to you. If you have a month' worth of emergency supplies on hand, it doesn't cost that much.
You can at least hunker down, while the crazies are running up and down the street.
GLENN: Yeah. So if we had -- you know, there's -- it's strange.
You know, I -- I thought EMP is the worst thing that could happen to us ever.
WILLIAM: It is.
GLENN: However, the more I see AI and everything else, it may in the end. And I'm saying 50 years from now. If AI has gotten out of control. An EMP may be our best friend. It will kill millions of people. But it will release a slavery. If God forbid, I'm in science fiction world here. But God forbid, AI went bad.
It's -- the ones and zeros would have to be confused.
WILLIAM: Well, the EMP scenario, which indeed is the worse.
According to two Congressional studies, which I base my novels on. I've done four books on the subject. Eighty to 90 percent of the population would be dead a year later. And people go, what?
Again, no food. No water. No medical supply.
No command and control.
People die. And they die very quickly.
GLENN: You know, when I read, this is years ago. One second after.