RADIOApril 27, 2022

Nikki Haley: Republicans CAN ‘right the ship.’ Here’s how.

President Biden is ‘RUNNING SCARED,’ Nikki Haley tells Glenn. And he's doing it both domestically and abroad. But thankfully, the former U.S. Ambassador to the UN says, we CAN ‘right the ship.' We just need to find the right Republicans — ones who will stand STRONG against Democrats and for conservative values — to get the job done. Haley tells Glenn which candidates have already caught her eye and how the GOP can prove to Americans they deserve power in Congress. Plus, Haley weighs in on the Ukraine/Russia conflict and our growing inflation rates…

Transcript

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GLENN: Welcome to the program, Nikki Haley. How are you?

NIKKI: Thank you, my friend. It's great to be with you.

GLENN: It's good to see you.

NIKKI: Great to see you.

GLENN: So I want to talk to you about a couple of things. I have a lot to run through with you.

But let's just start the news around the world. What the hell is happening with Ukraine? This does not feel right. It doesn't feel good.

NIKKI: It shouldn't feel right, and it shouldn't feel good. You know, this is a bigger fight than just Russia and Ukraine. This is a fight for freedom.

And how we handle this matters. You know, we saw how horrible we handled Afghanistan. We can't continue to have those blunders. Because when Afghanistan fell, it let every corrupt dictator around the world say, this is a weak America. We better move now, while we can. And that's what we're seeing happen.

GLENN: Okay. So do you think we should be fighting? Actually in there fighting?

NIKKI: Americans should not be in there fighting, no. And Ukrainians haven't asked us to. But when you see a freedom-loving country, trying to protect their own turf, we should give them every ounce of ammunition they need. We should be pulling in. And I'm glad to see NATO pulling in their weight. Because that was hugely important.

GLENN: Yeah.

NIKKI: They need to be giving everything. And we all need to go and support Zelinsky to win this fight on freedom. And when he wins, no other dictator will try and do this again.

GLENN: Okay. So I agree that we should not go in. I'm a little concerned that Joe Biden was saying, hey, we can't let anybody take these old airplanes. Because that might rope us into it. And we're now openly saying, oh, yeah. We're just leaving them at the bus stop in Ukraine. I mean, what are we -- what happened to where --

NIKKI: It's foolish, Biden is running scared. He's been running scared from the beginning. If he had done sanction before his Putin moved in, we wouldn't have seen this. President Trump had said, we would send them equipment and ammunition in March of last year, when they had already -- Biden stopped it. We were supposed to send another group in June of last year. Biden stopped it. All because he thought it would cause Putin to react. Look at what happens when you don't stand strong. If you stand strong before conflict, the conflict never happens.

GLENN: Why does Putin keep saying that we're on the edge of nuclear war?

NIKKI: Because he has nothing left.

GLENN: Is that a dig -- so does that make him more believable? On that?

NIKKI: He doesn't want to die. And listen -- but at the same time, let's not ignore him. This is a real danger. This is something that is serious. It's why Ukraine needs to win and win strong. If Putin feels like there is a window, he's going to keep going. If we can stop him where he's at, then he will start to retreat. The key to that is, one, making sure that Ukrainians aren't begging for help. That they get the help that they need, including the planes, including the anti-air defense systems that they're constantly begging for. But also making sure we hit Putin where it hurts. He can't continue a war if he's got the money to fuel it. And we have to sanction the energy companies, and Biden still won't do it.

GLENN: Okay. So there was talk last week, that after the French election, that Europe was going to say, no more oil, from -- from Russia.

Do you believe that? Is that in the works?

NIKKI: I think the U.S. needs to be pushing them that way. There is not an option for them to continue to be getting oil from Russia. It puts us all in danger for them to do that. Are they going to struggle?

Yeah, a little bit. Can we double down and start, you know, exporting liquified natural gas? Can we help them go and find other avenues to get it, just like Poland and Lithuania are getting it from Australia? Yes, we can. That's what has to happen.

GLENN: But they're not going to do that. This Biden administration will not release any kind of sanctions, if you will, on our own companies, to go and get more liquefied natural gas. To go get anything. Even for -- for our own self. We're shipping our own strategic oil reserve, to Europe.

NIKKI: Because Biden is scared of the climate change people, like he's scared of the Green New Deal, you know, people that fight for that. And we're seeing it. And it's making America weak. I mean, it's a serious issue, what we've got right here. But we can right the ship. That's a serious thing. I have faith that we can right the ship.

And that first starts by, do we win these elections in November? But more importantly, what do we do when we win?

We have to prove, we deserve to be there. So when respects take control of the House and Senate, which I'm all over the country, trying to help candidates. When they take it, what do they do?

You don't just say no to Biden. What do you say yes to? You say yes, to making sure that we're exporting more liquified natural gas, that we're opening up our energy reserves. You say yes to, we're going to stop all this wasteful spending. You say yes to the fact that we'll be strong abroad, by having a strong voice against terrorism. And all dictators that to threaten America. Or say death to America. We can start doing things. You can say, yes. We're going to take care of our children's education. And we won't let all these teacher's unions do it. We have to say yes to a lot of things, and not just say no to Biden.

GLENN: So how do we say yes to the end of inflation?

How is this going to be solved? Because we're close to the death spiral here, on inflation.

NIKKI: I mean, Glenn, it's so bad, that the average family is spending five to $6,000 more a year.

Now, when Michael and I were raising our children, if you told us we had to spend 5 to 6,000 a year, do you know where we would get it from? A credit card. And do you know what happens to families, when that happens? That's the fear that I have is, what, these families, who are just trying to make it through today? The way you do that is, first of all, yes, we open up our energy sector. We make sure something like that works. But we stop this wasteful spending. Do you know in the last spending package, Republicans and Democrats passed 5,000 earmarks. Totally $10 billion. You want to hear what some of that was?

$12 million for a baseball park in New York.

20 -- $15 million, for New Jersey to apply to get the world cotton. Six and a half million for golf courses in Colorado. This is Republicans and Democrats doing this, Glenn. That is not okay. You can't say and go on TV. And scream that inflation is terrible. And cosponsor an earmark. And open that back up.

Where were our Republicans in this? Why did they allow this to happen? We had stopped earmarks.

GLENN: Well, that's kind of where I am with the Republican Party. I don't see -- I see a few that are standing up. And are fighting the good night. But then you see people like Mitch McConnell.

I mean, you know -- you've got to clean out these -- these federal agencies.

NIKKI: Term limits. Term limits.

GLENN: You have to just clean them out. Well, you're not going to be able to do that if you have a president, without the Congress. Congress has to do it. And you can have, you know, control of the Congress with Republicans, but do they even get it?

NIKKI: Do you know what else Congress can do? Put controls on our border. They can fix this border crisis. Where is Congress? That's what I'm going to keep saying is, we need the fighters. We need those that understand, that you have to make so much noise. The beam will follow you, if you do that. But you can't go on this runaway spending where our debts are more than our economy. Do you know, we're having to borrow money to make our interest payments? Our kids and grandkids will never forgive us for this. We have to right the ship. For the good of our country. For the good of the world, for the good of the next generation. It's time for all this to stop.

GLENN: So one of the things that you do, you're the Founder of Stand for America. And you go out and you try to promote good policies, and also the right candidates. You just endorsed Sarah Palin. Why?

NIKKI: A couple of reasons. First of all, when I was running for governor the first time, there were five candidates. I started as the fifth out of five. Had the at least amount of money. The least name ID. And I got up to the second position, I was running against lieutenant governor, a congressman, an attorney general, a state senator. Got up to the second position, and Sarah Palin, without telling her staff, called me the day before, and said, her -- Todd called and said, we're coming to South Carolina. We're going to endorse Nikki. And she did -- a life -- pro-life speech in the morning. She did an NRA speech in the afternoon. And she came and endorsed me in the evening. And helped push me over the deepened.

So first, I'll tell you, my loyalty to her, will always be strong. But secondly, it's because I believe in her. She had a voice that matters. Glenn, she was canceled before we ever talked about cancel culture. She was vilified by the media, before we ever had all this happen. And she was a great governor. She understood the value of a dollar. She understood what real families went through. And she, and I, they called us the rock star sisterhood. We related on so many levels because the establishment denied me. And the resistance didn't think I was cool enough, or fit the mold for them. And Sarah went through the same thing. And, you know, we need her voice in Congress. I would love to see her walk in the halls of Congress, and reminding them of what the Tea Party was all about. And how tax enough is already happening again. I would love for her to talk about, what energy -- opening up our energy policies, and really doing that.

She's the right person. I would love to have her back.

STU: Where is she? She in Arizona?

GLENN: Sarah. She's in Alaska. She's in Alaska.

STU: She's back in Alaska. All right. So who is the -- who is the candidate that you have seen that went, that you've said, oh, my gosh. This is a new breed.

NIKKI: You know, I think there's been a few. In the last cycle, it was the Victoria Sparks. It was the -- it was the Nicole Malliotakis. It was the Nancy Mace. There were a lot of us just fighters. Just had good fighters about them. Now we're seeing different ones, in terms of like Morgan Luttrell in Texas. Wesley Hunt in Texas. Like, those were fantastic. Tony Gonzalez in Texas. We just did him, as well.

Monica De La Cruz. We're looking at her hard.

You know, there are some really good ones here in Texas, but around the country, we're seeing some really great ones.

GLENN: Good.

NIKKI: And so I just endorsed -- Tiffany Smiley in Washington State. You know, a lot of people are throwing Washington State away. If anybody can win, in Washington State, it's Tiffany Smiley. So we're not just going after the easy races, we're going after the ones that could be really difficult. It's why we endorsed Jack Ciattarelli in New Jersey for governor. He lost by one percentage point. We almost had it. It's why we endorsed Glenn Youngkin Virginia.

It's because we know, when we get in there you got to push these people over the finish line, like Sarah Palin pushed me. Because when you see those fighters. When you see those people that can really move the ball. That you know they're not just going to bring good policy. But they're going to bring good fight. And they're not going to be afraid to stand up to the establishment. Those are the people that we want.

GLENN: Elon Musk. When we come back. Give me one minute.

GLENN: So I -- I am sure I agree with Elon Musk on a lot of stuff. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

Because he -- A, he's Tony Stark. I mean, he just -- he doesn't care. But the other thing is, is he has a vision of where things are going. You listen to him. And you listen to anybody on television. Anybody in Congress or the White House. And there's no vision there.

What do you think about him taking over Twitter?

NIKKI: I love it. It's a win for freedom.

It's an absolute win for freedom of speech.

But what I love is Elon Musk is not afraid to rattle the cage. Now, maybe when you have that much money, you can rattle all the cages you want. I'm grateful for him. And now my question is: Who is next? Let's keep going. Yeah. Let's not stop with him.

GLENN: Yeah.

NIKKI: And, you know what, there's Facebook. There's Instagram. There's the big media, that we need to go and rattle those cages. Let's do it. And Elon Musk has been the start. Let's not that be the end.

GLENN: Yeah. I don't think it will be. You know, I was thinking about it this morning, we're at the end of that -- of that cycle, that pendulum cycle, in I think 2024, the pendulum starts to swing back to individual liberty. So we're almost there. We just to have make it. By 2030. We just have to make it. And things will swing back and be good.

STU: Can I ask you a question about education? Because we've seen over the past couple of years. Covid presented, with all its horrible negatives. A unique opportunity for conservatives to communicate, what they believe is right, when it comes to education, in a proactive sense, right? People saw what was going on. They were forced to watch the Zoom classes. And saw the crazy stuff that was being taught. And also that the schools wouldn't open up. A lot of conservatives responded to that by saying, we have to open these schools up. And of course, that was the right argument. But isn't there more that we can do here? Isn't this a unique opportunity to talk about school choice and freedom --

GLENN: Abolish the Department of Ed. Abolish the Department of Ed.

NIKKI: You know, but it goes before that, right? So look at precovid. Precovid, 65 percent of fourth graders were not proficient in reading. Precovid, 66 percent of eighth graders were not proficient in reading or math.

STU: Incredible.

NIKKI: Think about that. We had a problem before covid, so don't let them say that covid brought this on. We already had a problem with the establishment, in education, before. So now you go and you look at the fact, that in rural South Carolina, where I was born and raised, covid hits. Think of a child, where both parents had to work.

Here is this kid, using a screen he's never used before.

Used by way of a hot spot, on a school bus down the street. Now think he's in third grade. What he's reading. Reading, refractions, science. Do you think the teacher's unions are going to tell his parents to hold him back? They're not. So what happened after two years of lost education, when we were already behind in math and reading. Who is going to stand up for these kids?

And then you take it a step further, that those kids in South Carolina. When all the wealthy families got to put their kids in private schools. Where did the rest of the kids go?

That's my issue is, one, let's go back and fix what was already broken. You've got some kids. Don't push them through to the next grade. Don't push them through later. If a child can't read by third grade, they're four times less likely to graduate high school. Then we need to open up school choice. We need to open up charter schools, and we need to go put the blame, where it belongs, which is on the teacher's unions. And the Democrats that wanted covid money, more than they wanted to teach our kids, and we have to hold them accountable to that.

GLENN: So I've been saying lately. You can be a great teacher. But if you're a member of the teacher's union. I'm sorry. You're part of the problem. You don't have to be a member of that union.

Stop.

NIKKI: That's exactly right. Your voice will be loud enough without the union. The union is just making money off of you. The union in California, basically made sure they opened schools for one day, just to get the covid money. One day. What did that do for a child? Nothing. But it got them the money they wanted. We've got to start telling teachers, we want to empower you, but the unions aren't going to be the way to do that. The people will be the way to do that.

GLENN: Would you be for abolish the Department of Education?

NIKKI: I think it's completely messed up. We need to bring it back down and start it back over. And the way we start it back over, is give the states control. Give the states control --

GLENN: Because they already have that. You don't need them to. I don't need an office in Washington, DC.

NIKKI: No. Let me tell you, as governor, we did education reform.

Every governor in the country could make an impact, because what the Department of Education does is, says, if you take this money. If you teach this class, we'll give you this much money. If you teach critical race theory, we'll give this much money. If you teach this, we'll give you this much money. States right now, are teaching to the money. They're not teaching to the children. States need do control education. We don't need it controlled from DC. Because one size does not fit all.

GLENN: Right. And the way to do that, is to abolish the Department of Ed. No strings. Nobody is answering the phone in Washington, DC. Let the state --

NIKKI: It's bloated, it's bureaucratic, and it's lost sight of children.

GLENN: Always good to see you. Nikki Haley, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. Former south Carolina governor. And founder of Stand for America, which you can find at StandforAmerica.com.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

How to Find God in a Divided World | Max Lucado & Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

Watch Glenn Beck's FULL Interview with Max Lucado HERE

Confronting evil: Bill O'Reilly's insight on Charlie Kirk's enduring legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Shocking train video: Passengers wait while woman bleeds out

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.