RADIOMarch 11, 2024

WHAT?! Biden APOLOGIZES for Calling Laken Riley’s Alleged Murderer “ILLEGAL”

President Biden made a big apology related to his mention of Laken Riley and her alleged murderer during his 2024 State of the Union address. But the apology wasn’t for calling Laken “Lincoln.” He instead apologized to the illegal immigrant accused of killing her for calling him “an illegal.” “When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer,” Glenn asks. Glenn also looks back at how Democrats used to talk about illegal immigrants, and the difference is shocking …

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GLENN: President Joe Biden, thank goodness. In step with the American people.

Apologized for describing the suspected killer of Lincoln.

A/k/a, Laken Hope Riley. I described him as an illegal immigrant during the State of the Union.

STU: I believe he just said "illegal."

GLENN: Oh, he did. He just said "illegal." And people aren't illegal.

STU: Human beings cannot be illegal!
All humans are legal!

GLENN: Illegal.

Oh, my goodness.

STU: I wonder if that applies to babies born in states that ban abortion. Is that process illegal?

GLENN: Babies born.

STU: In states that have banned abortion.

A Texas baby, that the mom really wanted to kill, just couldn't get around to it because of the law. Are those babies legal? Because they keep telling us everything about it is unconstitutional.

GLENN: Well, I'll tell you, I think, for instance, Manson. Charlie Manson.

You know, the guy with the swastika on his head.

STU: I remember him.

GLENN: Okay. He's not illegal.

STU: No human is illegal.

GLENN: Yeah. But what he did was illegal.

STU: Wait. Is that how the law works?

That human beings can have actions that are illegal. They're not illegal themselves.

GLENN: They're not illegal. If you do something. Let's say, thinking outside the box here.

Come into a country. And you're not supposed to be here. Okay?

And so you cross our border, illegally. No. You're still a legal human being.

But you've -- you've now come to cross purposes with the law.

STU: Right. So your actions are the thing that formed --

GLENN: Yes. Your actions are illegal. And shorthand, we would just call you illegal. Instead of having to explain it every time, to dummies.

STU: Although, you just did have to explain it to a bunch of dummies.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Mainly in the White House. Or in Congress. Or have a D after their name.

The D, by the way, does not stand for Democrat. It stands for dummy. So this guy killed Lincoln Hope.

She was a nursing student. He brutally killed her.

Kidnapped her. During the State of the Union address, he -- he was confronted by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who yelled, say her name. Say her name. Because he had never mentioned her name.

And that's when he called her Lincoln. Okay. No. Yeah. It's Laken, but good for you for finding a name that starts with an L.

STU: Look, he's confused with a college football coach. Of course that can happen.

GLENN: Yes, and it was another president, and he was thinking of Civil War.

STU: There you go.

GLENN: So that really upset the family of Laken.

Lincoln's mom, well, she had been dead for a long time, so she didn't even really notice it.

So here's what happened: Expect -- on itself plane on Saturday. Had to go to California to give a speech. Couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Anyway, so I'm on the plane. I land.

And I said, to somebody who was on the plane with me.

You have the headlines?

He said, yeah. Looks like President -- President Biden just apologized for the Lincoln Riley thing.

I said, well, it's only a couple days late, but at least he did it.

And then I got on to my own laptop, and started looking at -- and said, no. No. That's not what he apologized for. He apologized for calling him illegal.

It is -- I mean, I don't even -- what!

He is from Venezuela.

He crossed into the United States. Illegally.

He -- you know, of course, he was an undocumented person. He goes -- he comes here. He gets all kinds of help. They -- they catch him at the border.

They release him within an hour or so. They ship him to New York.

Where he gets free room and board.

I think he also gets a couple of extra free spaces in bingo up at the church.

And what does he do?

Breaks the law. Goes down to Georgia.

Breaks the law. Oh, well, I'm here. I may as well kill a woman.

This is a really bad guy.

And why is it the president had to apologize?

You know that was a setup.

Do we happen to have the audio by any chance?

No.

You know this was a setup.

He was on MSNBC. And the MSNBC anchor says, so do you feel bad at all? About calling him an illegal?

Now, why would you ask that?

Go ahead, here it is.

VOICE: During your response to her heckling of you, you used the word "illegal" when talking about the man who allegedly killed Laken Riley.

BIDEN: Undocumented person. I shouldn't have used the word "illegal." It's undocumented.

And, look, when I spoke about the difference between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about on the border was that is the way he talks about vermin. The way he talks about these people polluting the blood. I talked about what I won't do. I'm not treating any -- any of these people with this disrespect.

Look, they built the country. The reason our economy is growing.

We have to control the border, and more orderly.

GLENN: Right. Right.

VOICE: So you regret using that word?

BIDEN: Yes.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

This was the White House putting him in a softball situation, and tipping off the interview, hey, ask him about illegal.

STU: Yeah. 100 percent. These things do not just happen like that.

GLENN: No.

STU: Obviously, in reality, no one cares whether he said it was illegal. The fact that he didn't know the name was a bigger situation.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Than that. And the fact that he -- you can tell he was -- she was trying to goad him into talking about this.

She wanted him to mention this story. Which he would have never mentioned, if it wasn't for her.

If it wasn't for Marjorie Taylor Greene, he wouldn't have even mentioned it in that speech.

And look, it wound up drawing more attention, which is great.

But it's incredible, that that is where we are. Where we have to give the media giving him softball interviews.

At least he's doing interviews. He avoided the Super Bowl interview. At least he's doing interviews.

GLENN: He probably didn't have a lot guarantee, that it was going to be, what's your favorite ice cream?

So he's apologizing, that he would use the word "illegal" for somebody who is here illegally.

And didn't apologize for his role in allowing this guy to be here.

I love all of this -- this lefty bullcrap, that, you know, what about all the crimes that were done by illegals?

Yes. You mean citizens.

There's lots of crime done by citizens. Absolutely. But there's absolutely no reason to import people, who are criminals, into this country. So they can do crime.

We -- we should know who is here.

You know what, he's part of a pretty vicious gang. I don't think we let him in.

And you -- Mr. President, you, Mayorkas, and everybody else involved, who has been pushing these policies. Their blood is on your hands. Period.

Period. And there's a lot of blood on your hands. I mean, should we count the number killed in Ukraine?

Because that's directly responsible. You're directly responsible for that action, of Russia.

All you had to say was, we're not going to make Russia a part of NATO. That's all you needed to say. And you wouldn't say it.

You wanted the war. So her blood. The blood of everybody else, that has been injured or killed here in America, because you opened the border. Ukraine. Oh, all the people, really, at the Abbey Gate.

Of course, the 19 Marines. You know, that blood is -- there's a lot. I don't know if I can tally up all of the blood, but there's a lot on your hands.

Do you apologize for any of that?

STU: If you're in an interview talking about the Laken Riley situation, you think at the very least, if you're going to ask the question, hey, did you say illegal wrong? You would also mention, hey, what about mispronouncing her name?

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Right? It's almost directly related.

GLENN: Have you met her?

This is so crazy. When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer?

Look what's happened!

Stu just brought up a very good point.

He asked about mislabeling the killer. Not about the callousness of not knowing her name. Nor, reaching out to the family, and consoling. How about that one?

STU: And, of course, when he did attempt to console from the stage. He made it about himself. Which he did every single time.

GLENN: Every time.

Really? Well, I know your son was I guess in the war. The war wasn't happening in Georgia. You know. This has and he didn't lose him in the war.

GLENN: I know that.

STU: He also lost him because of cancer. Which again, is terrible. But had nothing to do with the situation they were dealing with.

Cancer is a vicious killer. And so is this illegal.

He's a vicious killer.

More on this, in just a second. First, let me tell you about are of.

Some people seem to be born tough. Like Helen. You remember Helen?

She still here? Helen!

Yes.

STU: Hi.

GLENN: Hi, Helen, how are you?

STU: Wonderful. I'm really glad we're talking again. Any time I get a chance to talk to you, I'm very happy.

GLENN: Really. Well, why not stay in the greenroom. I can have you back every ten minutes or so.

STU: Great!

GLENN: Anyway, you have pain, right?

STU: Lots of pain. You know, the incredible surgery and shots I've been going through, seemed to leave marks.

GLENN: Really?

STU: And, yeah. The pain is excruciating.

GLENN: But had you had that female pain yet?

STU: Well, surprisingly, not really. I don't know what's going on.

GLENN: Really? That must be just you.

STU: It must be just me.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, I'm so feminine now. Everyone thinks immediately, I must be dealing with that, on a monthly basis.

GLENN: Right.

STU: But not -- nope.

No.

GLENN: Huh.

STU: Very male in that sense.

GLENN: Wow. Have you had the ovaries checked?

STU: You know, they can't find them anywhere.

I asked, can you put some in, so the next doctor will find them. They say, they don't do that yet.

GLENN: Wow. Okay. Well, follow the science.

STU: Hey. Just one good piece of information: You paid for my surgery. You paid for my surgery. Thank you so much.

GLENN: I paid for it? How did I pay for your surgery?

STU: Taxpayers are now paying for my surgery, which is great. I wanted to thank you, because of how much you pay in taxes.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: So just think about that -- it's come up on April soon. Think about how wonderful that will be.

GLENN: I used to think it's really great, that, you know, on April, I think to myself, maybe I bought a plane that's keeping the country safe.

STU: Nope!

You bought something much different.

And it's now in the medical waste bin.

So I love Miranda Divine from the New York Post. I love her.

I was reading this story today. I didn't know who wrote it. It was from the Post. I didn't know who wrote it.

And I went, it's got to be Miranda Divine.

She said -- about this interview on MSNBC.

The first question was gently to chide the president for using the word illegal. Not for the insult of getting Riley's name wrong, or the outrage of allowing her to kill her into the country.

Look, when I spoke about different things between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about was the border. The way he talks about vermin.

It was the same after the train derailment spilled toxic chemicals that sickened residents of East Palestine, Ohio.

Biden's studious indifference allowed Trump to ride into town with fresh water and concerned words, two weeks after the disaster.

Biden couldn't find it in him -- find the town for a year. His people said, he was too busy. But he's never too busy for long weekends in luxury vacations.

Biden likes to emote about his own tragedies, every chance he gets. And this has been misinterpreted as empathy. It's not empathy. It's narcissism.

If he had a shred of empathy, he would unwind his open border executive orders of January, February '21. And stop lying that it's the Republican's responsibility.

This is a classic example of Biden's border madness. Despite being listed in the Department of Homeland Security documents as an active member of the deadly Tren de Aragua gang. I'm not a gang member. So I don't know all of their cool names.

The Post reported, this man was set to be free, almost immediately after crossing the border illegally in September 22.

Put on a bus in New York. Bring on free room and board in a migrant shelter. He worked for DoorDash and UberEATS, with entry to the apartments of unsuspected New Yorkers to deliver food.

A disgrace for which those companies should be hauled over the court -- coals. He expressed his gratitude for America's generosity, by continuing to break our laws.

Multiple arrests in New York, and Georgia.

But no detention. No deportation. And the media bent over backward. Saying that the murder suspect, was from Athens.

No. Venezuela.

They're spelled differently.

As Trump says, they're not sending their best and their brightest to us, from Venezuela.

This is -- this is -- our perversion now of empathy, what we -- what we are doing now. Is replacing, well, good for evil. Evil for good.

Whoa, unto him. We -- we have now taken the victims, and put that title on the perpetrator.

And the bad guy now, is the victim.

There's more empathy on the left, and the president, for this illegal, than there is for the dead.

Or those she left behind. That -- that is not the country you want to live in.

And I'm saying that to Democrats.

You don't want to live in that country.

We've seen those kinds of countries come and go. And they're abominations. You have to stop misplacing the empathy.

We used to be a nation of -- of heroes, and those heroes were the people, who were the underdogs.

We've replaced the underdog. The underdog is not the individual. Not anymore. It's this big terrifying group, that says, I, as an individual have a problem.

And they've gathered themselves into groups, with clubs.

And if you don't listen to them, they're Goliath!

Leaving you the one who is supposedly holding them down. To be beaten, by this mob!

No. They're -- they're not the victim. They're not little David.

They're Goliath. The individual remains the underdog.

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

Glad you're here. It's a Monday.

Bitcoin is over 72,000 now. 72,300. Amazing.

STU: Oh, is that it? Crypto is still dead. I want to make sure.

GLENN: No. Crypto is dead. Well, not right now.

But the moment it starts going down, it will be dead again.

STU: I saw so many stories about people who invested when it was 60 something thousand. And then they lost everything.

And those stories were everywhere. And I don't see them as often, when it goes up. That's such a weird thing.

GLENN: You know who lost?

The people who bought it at 60. Then pulled it out of the market. Now it's at 72.

STU: Yeah. Here's a true statement. Every single person, who has ever in the entire history of Bitcoin, bought it and held it to today, has made money. All of them.

100 percent of them. Congratulations to all of you. You people who decided to sell, oh, well, sometimes that goes wrong.

But if you decided to hold it, every single person who has ever done it in human history has made money. Oh, what a terrible investment.

Crypto dead. Let's write some more articles. Where are you guys?

Let's see it all over again. I can't wait until it goes down to 58, and we have the same cycle all over again.

I can't believe -- Bob toxin of southeast, South Bend. After seeing Pete Buttigieg's battle against underbridge lighting, decided to sell his Bitcoin and be lost 11 teen dollars. And now lives under that bridge, under that wonderful underscaped lighting.

And --

GLENN: This is why government needs to regulate it. Because people get hurt.

STU: Where is Elizabeth Warren when we did her?

Where are you, Liz. I haven't heard from Liz lately, on this stuff.

GLENN: You will. You will again.

STU: She's always blabbing about something. Just, it's infuriating.

Like, I mean, look, how many -- we're well over a trillion dollars in market cap.

How many times have we seen these things go to zero after we get to a trillion? Does that happen a lot? I don't know. It's pretty rare.

GLENN: Did pets.com get to a trillion? Then no. No.

STU: I'm pretty sure no. Pretty sure no.

GLENN: By the way, may I -- may I just point out the more perplexing story of the day, from Politico?

And that is, what's up with raw milk?

Now, normally, I'm not into my raw milk stories.

STU: No?

GLENN: Doctor says I'm getting too much of -- in my diet, of stories about raw milk.

How raw milk went from a whole food staple, to a conservative signal.

This story is fascinating to me. Because it's true. We're like switching places.

If you shopped at Whole Foods, 15 years ago, you were a Democrat. Had to be. Flaming liberal, okay?

Most likely, if you were eating at Cracker Barrel. Most likely, you voted for a Republican.

I don't know who the Democrats have become.

But we are people now, that enjoy Cracker Barrel and raw milk. And I've never -- have you ever had raw milk.

STU: No. I never have. We've talked about it a bunch of times. Never actually consumed it.

GLENN: Should get some raw milk.

STU: I have no interest consuming it, per se. But I know some people really like it.

GLENN: Why?

STU: I don't know.

I think Louis did a decent job with the whole pasteurization thing. That was the whole thing.

GLENN: Good old Louie, man.

STU: I thought he did the right thing.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a progressive idea.

STU: It was.

As far as --

GLENN: The stats are. Do you know how many people have died?

STU: Oh, I can guess. How many people have died from raw milk, per year? Or what's the time period you're looking for?

GLENN: Give me from 19 -- I'm looking for it here -- 1998 to 2018.

STU: Oh, my gosh. Twenty -- well, 396,000. That's -- I'm just judging on the coverage of it.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: I don't know. Well, it seems like every one who has died.

GLENN: You actually were pretty close. 300 -- what?

STU: 396,000.

GLENN: It was three -- that's it. It was three.

STU: 300 --

GLENN: But your number had a three in it.

It started with a three. So did --

STU: Started with a three.

GLENN: Starts with a three, except it ends with the three.

It's only three. From 1998 to 2018, three.

While oysters have caused hundred deaths every year! And we still eat oysters.

STU: Right. Right. We eat lots of things that could be dangerous. And I don't think raw milk is dangerous.

GLENN: No. And I don't think that -- I don't think -- I was against it, when they were coming down on the Amish.

Leave the poor Amish alone.

I like to drink it right from the teat. Okay. I don't. I don't.

STU: No.

GLENN: But that's the way you want to drink it. Go for it. As long as it's not something else. Just trying to get milk, you know what I'm saying?

STU: I kind of want to get away from the process as much as I can, on this one.

It's one of those things insular want to think about. The more raw to me, the worse.

Because I would rather have more chemicals in it, frankly.

GLENN: In the summers, I live in a town, with a few dairy farms. I don't like driving by them with my windows closed. I just don't want to think about all of that stuff.

However, I hear raw milk is good, and really good for you.

STU: Yeah. Look, if you want to have raw milk, you should be able to have it. You need to know the risks, if there are any. I guess there are some.

GLENN: Three.

STU: Three people have died.

GLENN: 1998 to 2018.

STU: You have to believe though, more people have died from regular milk. Because so many more people drink it.

So I don't know. Same risk happens every time you go to the store and buy things. We all know something can happen.

And like, if you -- I don't understand why you wouldn't allow people to consume it, if they want to.

GLENN: And how did this happen?

How are we the raw milk drinkers? And they're -- Whole Foods stopped carrying it.

STU: Really? Well, remember, Whole Foods has gone through quite a transition.

GLENN: Who bought them? Amazon.

STU: That's right. Amazon. That's right.

GLENN: So now the lefties, I love my Whole Foods. Good thing we don't have any raw milk in here, that's dangerous. And I know because a giant global corporation owns Whole Foods, and they care.

STU: Right. Now, the person who owned it back in the day was a Libertarian. Big time Libertarian. And really believed in the mission of the company. I don't know if Amazon does, or if they just find it in a nice distribution center.

GLENN: Yeah. I don't think Amazon cares about anything, except where their drones can land. You know, I think that's pretty much -- that's pretty much here -- pretty much it.

STU: How many people have died from drones in 1998 to 2003.

GLENN: More than three. More than three.

STU: By the way, Obama was president for a part of that time.

We know it was more than three.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah. All right.

Speaking of -- speaking of corrupt government.

Can I just take you, just for a minute, to Liz Cheney?

And the January 6 committee.

Have you heard the latest?

Liz Cheney suppressed evidence, that President Trump pushed for 10,000 national guard troops to protect the nation's Capitol.

This is now verified, by the transcript of the deposition given, and now through Freedom of Information Act, released through the Federalist?

Mollie Hemingway, wrote this unbelievable piece this weekend. We're going to talk about it coming up in great depth with some of the players. But Cheney, and her committee, falsely claimed they had no evidence to support Donald Trump ever communicated with anyone, their desire for 10,000 National Guard troops.

Now, I've heard the opposite from people. And I thought the opposite would have been in the committee!

Right? Wouldn't you think?

If they had the opposite, and it was testimony, you would enter that, as, you know, you know, no.

Actually, people also said this.

They didn't!

They didn't. Only less than half of the information, they collected, was included in the released testimony and final report.

STU: It was obviously totally one-sided.

And you had no one representing the Trump side of this.

GLENN: None.

There's three witnesses that testified, and is in the -- not the final report.

But the actual treasure trove of everything that was gathered. This has now, Republicans put -- could have been on the committee, and decided they didn't want to be part of it, which was understandable.

Also did not give them a voice to bring these things up during the committee. To me, it was a complete waste of time. And we got nothing out of it. And it was just nonsense.

So I don't know that was the wrong move. But this is the type of stuff, that they could have caught, if they were in there.

GLENN: Yeah. But I don't know if it would have made. Did you see the latest, also on Liz Cheney this weekend?

She was instrumental, in the defense chiefs all coming up, and intelligence chiefs saying, Donald Trump in bed.

This looks like a Russian operative thing. And he was involved. That was her. She was organizing all of that.

Through the Cheney name. I mean, how do you believe anything, that comes out of Washington anymore?

STU: We should note that Liz Cheney voted for Trump in 2020.

Which is the most bizarre part, she voted for him. And turned into this person that seemingly has completely dedicated to the --

GLENN: To the big state.

STU: I don't know she's even doing now.

I don't know. Is that still under conversation?

GLENN: Good luck with that, with these things coming out.

STU: Yeah, well, this might be the thing you do. Within the race, blame everything on politics.

GLENN: Maybe she put it out.

Look how anti-Trump I was.

I mean, Nikki Haley. Yeah. She's a rookie. Look what I've done.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Glenn Beck Program. Glad you're here. Well. We started the hour with Joe Biden, making sure he was taking care of the illegal who killed Laken. And I mean, he's been so consistent on this.

I mean, Stu, could you imagine if we could go back in time and somehow or another, find like Chuck Schumer, or Biden talking about illegals?

VOICE: Can you scare an employer in this country, whether he's an agricultural worker or housewife, into not hiring an illegal, because the punishment is so high, that if you get caught, it's a huge embarrassment to your family. And you may just get hit with a fine that will kill you.

BIDEN: That's slightly what we should do.

VOICE: Because you can't catch every --

VOICE: No. You can't. And the last part of this is that the democratic position also recognizes. You have 11 million illegal aliens here. They have to have a way to earn their way into the deal. This isn't amnesty. They're required to take 11 year's worth. They pay a fine. They have to learn to speak English. They have to pass...

GLENN: That's -- now, imagine if we could find Chuck Schumer saying the same kind of stuff.

VOICE: When we use the phrases like "undocumented workers," we convey a message to the American people, that the government is not serious about combating illegal immigration. Which the American people overwhelmingly oppose. If you don't think it's illegal, you're not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong.

GLENN: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Anyway, Stu, can you imagine if we could go back in time and find stuff like that?

STU: Yeah. I mean, we don't have those --

GLENN: Those capabilities. Just all in our imagination.

STU: Yes. That was a fascinating --

GLENN: That was 2009. 2009.

STU: I was going to say, he looked pretty old for the '80s.

GLENN: 2009.

STU: Who was president in 2009? Barack Obama?

GLENN: Barack Obama, talking about, if you're not going to say they're illegal, you're not going to stop it.

STU: He's, of course, right. And he's right in how people hear that. If you won't say that, you probably won't think it's illegal.

GLENN: Well, if anybody, I don't know how anybody who vote Democrat still think that the Democrats, that the Democrats are the ones that are fighting for the little man. The every guy. They're fighting for the labor unions. The closest they get to the little guy.

The labor unions. And then the big corporations.

They're only for big, powerful things. They're not for the individual.

STU: It's a fascinating thing. What a weird transition.

We just -- it just shows we're old. We've done this show long enough together, to see them completely switch sides on like 100 different topics.

GLENN: Can you imagine, if we were on talk radio, back in like 1970s.

We would be like, wait. Johnson.

Johnson would be the guy who stopped the Civil Rights Act. You know, I can't take it anymore.

If you were living in the '60s, you went through this transition. Where all of a sudden, without any rhyme or reason, they just are like, yeah.

I know I was the one using the N-word.

And I'm still proud to use it, you know, at my home and with my friends.

But I think we should help out these inferior races. I mean, how did they pull that off?

Just like they're doing now!

The same kind of transition. Right in front of our eyes.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.

The TRUTH about George Washington They DON'T Teach Anymore!

Glenn Beck speaks with a PhD candidate studying George Washington about how America has forgotten the truth of its founding. Together, they uncover the miraculous, morally grounded legacy of Washington — a man guided by divine purpose, not myth — and expose how modern academia and media have twisted history into ideology. From Washington’s providential survival in battle to his moral transformation on slavery, Glenn reveals why rediscovering the Founders’ own words is essential to restoring truth in a post-truth age.

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GLENN: Let me go to Paul in Pennsylvania. Hello, Paul.

CALLER: Hello, Glenn, I never would have called the show if I didn't have a dream about speaking to you last night, on the phone. So I thought that was profound. Stu will tell you that: If you're dreaming about Glenn, things aren't going well.

GLENN: Wow, you've got to raise your standards, there. My wife doesn't even dream about me, yeah.

CALLER: Well, yeah. I better jump on it. What we talked about on the phone call was George Washington. I'm actually writing my PhD dissertation on George Washington, and I never had a mixture of excitement and heartbreak in my heart like George AI. So I was heartbroken, and I wasn't involved in it.

And so I'm just calling about that, because I don't know. When you're dreaming about Glenn Beck in the phone call, you know, I feel you should jump on it. So...

GLENN: Well, okay. So, Paul, you're getting your PhD in history.

CALLER: Correct.

GLENN: And specifically with George Washington, or just that is your final paper?

CALLER: My -- currently it's American history. My dissertation is on George Washington.

GLENN: That is fabulous. And what did you come away thinking about George Washington, learning about George Washington?

CALLER: Well, I grew up in Pittsburgh, so Washington is all overt Pittsburgh area because of the French and Indian War.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: And you kind of wonder how much of it is legend and how much of it is true. And then the more you look into it, you realize, these things weren't written about him, after or during the revolution to, you know, pump him up. These things were actually written minutes or weeks after it had happened.

GLENN: Yeah.

CALLER: What pastor, like Samuel Davies, is riding after the Battle of Monongahela, "This man might be being saved for our future purpose."

GLENN: Right.

CALLER: And that stuff has happened 20 years before the Revolution.

GLENN: Is that --

CALLER: The more you know, the more awe-inspiring it is.

GLENN: Yeah. Go ahead.

It is. Isn't it amazing, you look at George Washington, and I can't believe we lie about his teeth, we lie about the cherry tree when he is the most honest forthright and heroic guy, I think in all of American history. I mean, he is one of a kind.

And we lie about him. And we don't talk about all the things that happened, that are absolutely real and just confounding, miraculously!

CALLER: And "miraculous" is a correct term. It's shocking when you think of all of the instances where his life -- I mean, I know you had Salena Zito on a couple months ago, and she was talking about the incident in Butler, where he was shot at. He was 21 years old.

And then a bullet flies between him and a guy, inches away. I mean, the -- as much as American history gets altered, if he dies before the war, world history is altered.

GLENN: Everything, I know.

So what is the worst thing you could find about George Washington? I could only find that his mother said that he ate a lot of ice cream, and that was too extravagant, his Mother Mary.
(talking over)
GLENN: Not at all. No.

CALLER: Kind of --

GLENN: You know, the more you learn about her, the more I think George Washington's mom, probably sounded a little like that, you know what I mean?

She just --

CALLER: She would essentially sound like her.

GLENN: She's not a likable person.

CALLER: Yeah, probably why he went on adventures so early, just to get out of the house. She kind of chased him out.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

What's the worst thing you learned about him?

CALLER: I don't know. It's hard -- it's hard to find the dark, when the light is so bright within.

GLENN: I know.

CALLER: Are you aware that one of the reasons that he ended slavery, ended it was a dream he had.

That he was being --

GLENN: Not aware of that.

CALLER: And he -- he told her, I'm rewriting the will, and that's when he's on a deathbed. He brings up the two wills. He brings out the new will that he wrote that freed the slaves after he had this dream!

GLENN: I'm -- where did you get -- what source is that?

CALLER: That is in a book called Imperfect God.

GLENN: I have to tell you, have you seen original sources on it? Is it quoting where it's coming from?

CALLER: Yeah, it does quote. It does quote where it's at. I mean, I have the book on my desk. I don't know exactly where it's from.

GLENN: So, you know, Paul, I would really to get your information. Put him on hold. And get his information. And he should go over to -- I mean, he had a dream. I mean, we should at least pursue this, to see if there's anything there. Seeing that we're building George AI. And that's what you're all about.

You know, there -- it is -- if you can get through college and you want to learn history, I don't know how -- you know, I don't know how Paul did it and made it with his -- with his brain not just Jell-O. You know.

Because this is the difference between -- look, George AI is not going to be -- it's are not going to be complete for a long time.

It has -- there's just too much in there.

But it is going to be a -- a doorway into learning about the Founders in their own words with the founding documents.

You know, when you go to a university, or you learn from history in class, you're -- you're -- you're -- you're trained to quote the interpreters of history, not understand the originators. Instead of -- instead of reading Madison, you're standing there, and you're sitting there. And you're listening to a teacher or a professor trying to explain what Madison really meant.

Well, why didn't I just go to Madison?

I don't want the modern context. I want it in his writings.

Can you imagine, 100 years from now, Trump -- Trump in the history books, how do you think that guy will be remembered, with historians?

How are they going to get -- we can't even -- half the country doesn't even know who he is.

Half the country!

And they're watching him in realtime.

What's the difference? They're not actually watching or listening. They're listening to the interpreters.

If you actually listen to him, if you actually watch him, you learn, that's a completely different guy. There's a show going on, and there's things that he does, that I don't necessarily like. But that's not who he is. That's not what he's doing.

That's -- that's why, first sources are so important. You know, you're not -- you're not -- you're not learning the interpretation. When you read about Washington and the farewell address and Lincoln's second inaugural, you see -- you see men who believed that truth existed outside of them!

Moral and divine, and it was -- it was outside of them. Universities are also teaching that, you know -- I don't know.

Truth is in you!

It's your truth. No. No.

Real truth is outside of me. I don't know how Paul made it through without hating America. You know, because usually you're taught that the Founders were hypocrites.

And you're not reading the original sources. When you read the Federalist papers. When you actually read the words of Frederick Douglass. Not the interpretation of Frederick Douglass. But read the words of Frederick Douglass. You see a guy who is really struggling, trying to figure it out. Not a perfect guy.

Not perfect. Same with the Founders. Not perfect.

They're really struggling. And that's not even understood I don't think in today's world. The struggle for truth, the struggle for thinking. You're not taught to critically think anymore.

You're conform, conform, conform. Write this down, kids. It will be on the test. Parroting is what they want.

"AI-Generated Song" Hits #1 on a Billboard Chart... Here's the REAL Takeaway From This

The #1 country song in America isn’t sung by a human... it was generated entirely by AI. Glenn Beck dives into what this means for music, creativity, and the very definition of humanity. If artificial intelligence can sing with emotion, write lyrics about suffering, and imitate a soul it doesn’t have, then what separates human beings from machines? As AI agents begin creating personalized music, podcasts, and worlds, Glenn warns that we are entering a moment where the battle for meaning, purpose, and identity becomes unavoidable.

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GLENN: I don't know if you saw the number one song on the billboard music charts. I want to talk about this in-depth tomorrow. But it is number one, on the country music billboard charts!

I want you to listen to it.

Go ahead.
(music)

GLENN: Okay. So the interesting part about this song is that guy who is singing that has not been talking for a long time. He's not been walking for a long time. In fact, he was not born long ago. He's not real. That's AI. The number one song on the billboard country music chart is AI. AI.

I have to tell you, some of my favorite music is coming from AI right now. And I don't know how to feel about it. You know, we -- we just -- it wasn't too long ago, that we thought, oh, well. It won't ever be able to do that. Art is the music. Art is the window to the soul!

How -- how is AI. If you look at some of the lyrics of this song, I mean, it talks about how he's been dragged through the mud. You know, he's had to really stand.

I mean, it -- it doesn't know any of that stuff. None of it is real. And yet, it's assembling it in a way, that is so appealing, it's number one on the billboard country chart!

If that -- and this is what I want to focus tomorrow. I want to talk to you about college.

And what are you telling your kids about college.

What are you doing?

If you're in college, what are you doing?

If you're thinking about college, what are you thinking!

Because the whole world is about to change.

You know, I just heard Elon Musk say that in five years.

There's not going to be phones and apps.

I want you to think about this. There won't be phones or apps. It will just be some sort of a box or a device that you kind of carry around with you.

And it's listening. It's -- anticipating.

It's AI. It's an agent AI.

And it will know what you want to hear.

What you want -- and it will create the music you want to hear. It will create the podcasts I want to hear.

It will do all of this stuff for you. So we will be even in our own universe, even more than we are right now!

But if -- if AI can fake being a human and sing soulfully, while not having a soul, what does it mean to be a human?

I have been asking this question and been saying, Stu, since the '90s?

I have been saying, we have to have a conversation on what does it mean to be human!

What does it mean to be alive?

Because there's going to come a time, when you won't know what it means!

Are we there yet?

Stu. Are we there?

STU: It's a good question. I think we know what it means to be human. But I think the ways that we have shorthanded that over the years, are dissolving. Right?

You know, when you come up with what seems like original thought. We might all be able to acknowledge something that AI churns out is not original thought.

But it certainly seems like it, to most.

And I don't think a lot of people don't care.

People won't care if it's made by humans or not. If they like it.

And they seem to like it. And while there will I think be a real pushback by some, against this stuff, just like, you know, I have a bunch of friends who are into the horror movie practical effects of the world.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

STU: Where they're like, I like going -- that's why I like to watch horror movies. Because thee use real fake blood, or whatever -- it's a real dedication. It's not my thing. I don't care.

If I go to the movie, if it's CGI and it looks real, I don't care. But they love the fact that it's being made by practical effects. And if that's -- there will always be some interest in that, I think.

There will always be some interest in watching someone doing something manually that a machine could do easier and in some ways, better.

But like --

GLENN: And -- and --

STU: It becomes niche after a while, doesn't it?

GLENN: Yeah, handmade is going to come back into style. At some point, handmade. Human made will come back to style.

But we are going to go through a period, where it will get really scary.

Because, I mean, if a machine can -- if a machine can sing soulfully, and not have a soul, what does -- what does that mean?

If it can sculpt beauty, generate things that can make you cry. But it -- how does it know -- it doesn't have anything real inside of it. If it can imitate genius, then what is our genius, what does that mean? Let me start this conversation. We will go more into this on tomorrow's program.

Let me start this. When you start to ask yourself, what does it mean to be a human? A machine can produce, and it can produce and will produce better than you can! But it cannot care.

It cannot actually care. It can calculate. But it cannot love! A machine can imitate suffering.
It can relate to suffering. It can sing songs soulfully, like it has suffered. But it can never walk through the valley of suffering.

It can analyze morality, but it can't instinctively choose right and wrong, because it's serving a higher power. It has no --

STU: No conscience. It has no courage. It has no soul! It will never put itself between danger and a child! It will never forgive. Because it's never really offended. It will never sacrifice. It will never bury a friend and carry that little piece of the brief with them, for the rest of their lives.

There's something different about humans, and it is -- it's not about what we can do.

It is everything about the divine spark. Only humans can look at something and say, "Damn it. I know all the odds are against me. All reason goes against this. But I'm going to build it instead. I'm going to rebuild." Only humans hear the call of -- from deep within, the whispering of the spirit. Or the ancient whispers. The machines will never hear!

Saying, live for something greater than yourself.

There is something more out there. Only humans can take suffering, and learn compassion!

Only humans can take fear and turn it into courage and bravery.

Only humans can take history and turn it into real wisdom.

We are making artificial minds. But we are not making artificial life!

But as these artificial minds begin to get better and better, and their tools become better and better, it should not make us smaller.

It should make us ask bigger questions!

Who am I?

Why am I here?

What is the purpose of life?

The questions that man has been asking since the dawn of time, what am I willing to endure, for the sake of truth?

What am I willing to stand up for?

What is worth living for? What is worth dying for?

What is the purpose of the freedom that I have right now?

Is there a purpose?

What's spark inside of me, that no machine will ever be able to copy?

No algorithm can simulate?

No code can counterfeit?

What makes me unique?

That answer is going to be found in each of us. In each of our hearts.

And it's this weird, mysterious furnace, where reason meets faith, and memory becomes meaning. And the divine, echoes inside of us. Reminding us, that we are individuals. That we are here for a purpose. That we can be forgiven. We can get stronger. We can rebuild.

We can forget everything the world is saying and chart our own course!

That's what makes us humans, and machines will not understand that!

Being human isn't what we can produce. Because you're going to see, it's producing everything.

It's what we can choose. We can choose to love. We can choose to sacrifice. We can choose to tell the truth.

We can choose to stand when the world bows.

We can choose to create, not because we're told to create, not because we make money to create, but because there's something inside us, that is so restless, until we do create!

A lot of people don't know that I paint. I'm an artist.

I don't patriot for anybody else.

I don't patriot to sell my paintings.

I don't -- I don't -- I paint, because there's something inside of me, that compels me to do it. That is human.

It can reproduce my brush strokes, and make them better.

And it can borrow our melodies, it can echo our stories. But it cannot replace the things that make us human. The ability to forge meaning! Out of all of the things that we have suffered through, the age of machines is rising! And it is going to diminish us, if we don't figure out who we are and what our purpose -- what is that stirring inside of me.

You may not find it. But recognize that stirring inside of you, and if it's not, you're already starting to lose your humanity. It doesn't have to finish us, it can refine us. It can remind us who we truly are.

It can urge us, find that! Because I'm coming to replace everything else.

What makes us, us, we're human. And that itself is a miracle, that a machine cannot re-create.

How a pacifist pastor became Hitler’s fiercest enemy

Tucker Carlson recently claimed that Dietrich Bonhoeffer decided “Christianity is not enough” when he took part in a plot to kill Adolf Hitler. Was Tucker right? Glenn Beck, who has studied Bonhoeffer in-depth, dives into the full story of Bonhoeffer and his struggle with these same questions…

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GLENN: I'll bring this up. Tucker did a podcast yesterday, that I listened to, or a couple of days. Whatever. You know, I listened to it yesterday.

And -- and the reason why I listened to it is because so many friends are like, he's talking about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Glenn. Blah, blah, blah.

And I don't want to get into -- I'm not going to talk about personalities. I just want to talk about facts. You draw your own conclusion about who you listen to. And you can listen to them or not listen to them. That's fine. But let's make sure we correct facts and not make it about personalities.

Okay. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of my heroes. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of the greatest men to ever live. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a Christian pastor. And let me set it up this way. When the Third Reich grew, and the Weimar republic collapsed, there was this -- there was this -- this movement in Christianity that happened quickly. Within the first year of the end of the Weimar and the beginning of the Nazi regime, within a year, 60 percent of the churches ridded themselves of everything Jewish. Okay? Now, that's hard to do when your main hero figure is a Jew! And the entire history, that said, hey. He's coming, is also written by Jews! Okay?

It's the Old Testament. And, by the way, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were Jews too! So it's hard to rinse the Jew out of the Judeo-Christian world. But somehow or another, they did it. Sixty percent. Okay?

They've gotten rid of, including many churches, already had gone for it and gotten rid of the Old Testament. That is something that Hitler's people were really pushing for: Get rid of the Old Testament. Well, you have nothing left, if you don't have the Old Testament with the New Testament!

So the world had gone insane. The Christian world had gone insane. Within six months, many, if not most of the churches had replaced the picture of Christ on the altar, with a picture of Adolf Hitler. So he changed the fabric of Christianity, entirely. And he was going after any pastor, priest, anybody, who was preaching something different. Okay? There were a couple of pastors. One played along with it at first. Pastor Niemöller. And he was like, "At first they came for this, and I didn't say anything, and then they came for this."

He didn't say anything at first. Then he -- then he got in -- and he's like, oh, I should do it. But he was praised in the end, for his unwavering faith. He actually stood.

And he actually -- he was -- one of the guys who preached that the Nazis were not to blame alone. They played their role.

But may I quote, would the Nazis been able to do what they would have done, if church members would have been truly faithful Christians. The answer is, no!

Truly faithful.

Now, Tucker said yesterday, that he doesn't think that Bonhoeffer was -- I don't remember the exact lines. I'll probably get it wrong.

Do we have it?

Okay. Go ahead and play it.

VOICE: We really have no choice, but to start shooting them. To be Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And sort of reach the end of reason or even Christianity.

Bonhoeffer decided, Christianity is -- he's a Lutheran pastor.

Christianity is not enough. We have to kill the guy. Not judging Bonhoeffer. He was a great man in some ways.

But, I mean, that's inevitable, once we decide that people are Nazis.

GLENN: Okay. So his point here, he's making about, we have to stop calling people Nazis.

And he's absolutely right. You have to stop calling people Nazis or shooting against them. Exactly right, unless they're actual Nazis. You know what I mean?

I mean, there's a difference between saying, hey. We should not call people Nazis, who are not Nazis, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have called Hitler a Nazi. He was the Nazi.

He's the idyllic Nazi. He's the king of all Nazis. He's a Nazi!

So when it is a Nazi, I think you can call people Nazis.

But, yeah. That does require you then to make a choice.

And that's where Bonhoeffer found himself.

This guy was an amazing man. He was a pacifist. He did not believe in war. He did not believe in killing. He -- and that's how he skated for a long time. Because he was saying, quiet. Quiet. Quiet.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Do not involve yourself in this. God does not want us to kill each other. He was a huge pacifist. His story goes back and forth. You have to read the Bonhoeffer book by Eric Metaxas.

But he goes back and forth. He comes to the United States. He sees faith in action, actually in Harlan. And kind of has this renewed kind of faith experience. He goes back to Germany. He's there for a while.

He knows now that Hitler is -- because he's helping Jews escape. And he knows Hitler is on it!

And he's going to -- he's closing in on him. He's going to get him. He leaves. He comes to the United States. He's here, and he starts feeling guilty. Like, I can't leave my own country. I have to stand! I can't leave and hide!

I've got to stand. So he goes back to Germany. I think on the last vote, that is going into Germany, and he gets to Germany. And he starts plotting Valkyrie. He's part of Project Valkyrie.

Valkyrie is the Tom Cruise movie you've seen, von Stauffenberg, a huge German hero, who was not a Nazi, but he was a German soldier who decided, "Oh, this has got to stop."

And they planned with a lot of people who said, "We've got to stop Hitler." Because look at what he's doing. He's destroying everything, and he's killing millions. And it's got to stop.

And Bonhoeffer, when he got back, he was wrestling with his pacifism. He was a pacifist. A strong one. He really believed that God said, no. No, fighting.

No war. Nothing.

You're not allowed to kill.

But the evil that he saw was so overwhelming, that he started questioning everything that he believed.

And ins class, because he would -- he was teaching these young pastors coming up. In his class, he started saying things to the class members, so if a pacifist saw something that was so evil, you needed to stop it, would it be okay?

And then they would argue. And the class didn't have any idea. He was working it out with the class in his own head.

He was working it out.

How do I work this.

How can I -- am I a Christian. If I do this.

He got to the point to where he said, if you knew of a pacifist, that you respected. And they did get involved in that. Would you still be their friend?

Would you still respect them?

Are they still Christians?

Okay. He's looking to work this out. And he struggled with it.
Hitler grabs him. Puts him in -- in prison.

He's in prison for a long time.

And the only reason why he survived as long as he did, he came from a very famous family.

And so Hitler really didn't feel like he had the juice to kill him. Without causing him other problems.

But he escaped for a while. And he was in prison. He wrote some beautiful stuff.

One of the most beautiful homilies on marriage, that I've ever read, is from him.

He was a guy who didn't get married.

He was going to get married.

But knew what was going to happen to him. But didn't want to endanger her, so he didn't get married. So he didn't know anything about marriage, except what he had read. What he thought about and read in Scriptures. And he writes this beautiful homily, because he's supposed to give the sermon at his sister's wedding. The Nazis won't let him out to do it. He writes it. It's read at her wedding. It's absolutely beautiful. And deep, deep, deep.

He's in prison for a while. He's now -- it's -- it's, you know, coming up to April 1945. Hitler dies in April 1945.

And everything is falling apart. And so the Nazis start kind of cleaning up the death camps. And they start transferring people. And -- and Bonhoeffer is supposed to be let free. And he gets on to this bus, you know, driven by the Nazis. And he's being transferred to where he will be released. Well, on the way, the tire goes out, and they don't have a spare. And so they're sitting on the edge of the road, and they got all these prisoners.

And these -- this other bus is coming. The other direction. And they're like, "Hey, where are you going?"

They said, "Well, we're going to this camp." Great. Will you just take these prisoners with you? Here's the paperwork and everything else.

Here's the prisoners. You just take them with you. So all the prisoners, who were there, including Bonhoeffer, who was supposed to be released, go to this other death camp. And now he's sitting there on this death camp and waiting for death.

And not supposed to be.

And in that, he is preaching Christ to the guy who did all of the experiments, on the Jews, you know, freezing them. Bringing them up, at high altitude. Until their his pop. All the horrible experiments.

Everything that is now in every hospital in the world.

The book about hypothermia and everything else.

It's the number one book on what the human body can do and how you fix things.

Number one.

It's in every hospital.

Every doctor has it. That was written by that Nazi.

He released it, without Hitler's permission. Because he thought it was such a gift to the world. And he went to prison. Because Hitler said, we're not trying to save the world. We're saving German soldiers.

Puts him in prison. The guy is a vile guy, as you can imagine. He's in, I think a French spy. This woman, she's a double agent. So they're in this cell, with Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And he's preaching to them. And they're just vile with each other, in front of him!

He keeps his cool. Keeps who he is.

Comes up to -- a couple of weeks before Hitler is going to kill himself. And they come, and they're going to execute everybody in that cell. So they go out, and the only reason why we know how Dietrich Bonhoeffer died and when he died is because of the way he acted. He went out. They took him out to the would see. And they had built a hanging platform. And one by one, they brought him up. Put the noose around their neck. Trapdoor. They died! Cut them down. Next one. Bring them up. Put the noose around their neck. Trap terror. Opens. They die!

Bonhoeffer, when he comes up, he comes up to the platform, and the guy who is putting the noose around his neck, he says, something like, thank you for your kindness.

Okay?

And the guy is like, what know.

Everybody else is freaking out. Everybody else is, you know.

And he says, "Thank you for your kindness."

He tightens the noose. Pulls the trapdoor. Dead.

He remembers that one guy. And remembers, that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I don't know if he knew who Dietrich Bonhoeffer was at the time.

But he knew him, because of that "thank you." He died like a very valiant man. Okay?

In a way, I don't know if I could. What is the difference between when you confront evil, when you see evil. I mean, Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the guy who said, "Silence in the face of evil is evil itself."

God will not hold us blameless.

Not to act is to act. Okay?

That comes from a deep, deep spiritual place.

What is the difference between that and Thomas Jefferson? Saying, "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God?"

Do you, as a Christian have a responsibility to kill Hitler, if you had the opportunity with not Baby Hitler. Baby Hitler hasn't committed any crime. You're seeing this death machine. And you've tried everything you can to stop it.

Do you have a responsibility as a Christian to stop the evil? I think you do! I think silence in the face of evil is evil itself.

Not to act, is to act. You know, for -- for evil to happen, it's -- it will happen when good men do nothing!

We know that. We have a responsibility to act. But we have a responsibility to do everything Christ-like that we can, first. But you get into this place, to where, you know, whoa unto those who call evil good and good evil.

Everybody starts to confuse the language. Right?

And that's what's happening right now. Everybody is calling everybody a fascist or Hitler.

Everybody calls everybody a Nazi. And so there's no meaning on words.

We can't forget what words actually mean or we will wind up calling good evil and evil good!

That's what happened to so many Christians.

They did nothing. They just went along with it. They just played along, and then it became them! Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a great, great man.

A Christian giant!

And a man who fought real evil, and wrestled with it!

We squabble on the internet. And I don't want to add to that.

All I want to do is make sure that we talk about the facts as they are, so we don't lose our way as everything gets jumbled.