WHAT?! Biden APOLOGIZES for Calling Laken Riley’s Alleged Murderer “ILLEGAL”
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WHAT?! Biden APOLOGIZES for Calling Laken Riley’s Alleged Murderer “ILLEGAL”

President Biden made a big apology related to his mention of Laken Riley and her alleged murderer during his 2024 State of the Union address. But the apology wasn’t for calling Laken “Lincoln.” He instead apologized to the illegal immigrant accused of killing her for calling him “an illegal.” “When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer,” Glenn asks. Glenn also looks back at how Democrats used to talk about illegal immigrants, and the difference is shocking …

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GLENN: President Joe Biden, thank goodness. In step with the American people.

Apologized for describing the suspected killer of Lincoln.

A/k/a, Laken Hope Riley. I described him as an illegal immigrant during the State of the Union.

STU: I believe he just said "illegal."

GLENN: Oh, he did. He just said "illegal." And people aren't illegal.

STU: Human beings cannot be illegal!
All humans are legal!

GLENN: Illegal.

Oh, my goodness.

STU: I wonder if that applies to babies born in states that ban abortion. Is that process illegal?

GLENN: Babies born.

STU: In states that have banned abortion.

A Texas baby, that the mom really wanted to kill, just couldn't get around to it because of the law. Are those babies legal? Because they keep telling us everything about it is unconstitutional.

GLENN: Well, I'll tell you, I think, for instance, Manson. Charlie Manson.

You know, the guy with the swastika on his head.

STU: I remember him.

GLENN: Okay. He's not illegal.

STU: No human is illegal.

GLENN: Yeah. But what he did was illegal.

STU: Wait. Is that how the law works?

That human beings can have actions that are illegal. They're not illegal themselves.

GLENN: They're not illegal. If you do something. Let's say, thinking outside the box here.

Come into a country. And you're not supposed to be here. Okay?

And so you cross our border, illegally. No. You're still a legal human being.

But you've -- you've now come to cross purposes with the law.

STU: Right. So your actions are the thing that formed --

GLENN: Yes. Your actions are illegal. And shorthand, we would just call you illegal. Instead of having to explain it every time, to dummies.

STU: Although, you just did have to explain it to a bunch of dummies.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Mainly in the White House. Or in Congress. Or have a D after their name.

The D, by the way, does not stand for Democrat. It stands for dummy. So this guy killed Lincoln Hope.

She was a nursing student. He brutally killed her.

Kidnapped her. During the State of the Union address, he -- he was confronted by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who yelled, say her name. Say her name. Because he had never mentioned her name.

And that's when he called her Lincoln. Okay. No. Yeah. It's Laken, but good for you for finding a name that starts with an L.

STU: Look, he's confused with a college football coach. Of course that can happen.

GLENN: Yes, and it was another president, and he was thinking of Civil War.

STU: There you go.

GLENN: So that really upset the family of Laken.

Lincoln's mom, well, she had been dead for a long time, so she didn't even really notice it.

So here's what happened: Expect -- on itself plane on Saturday. Had to go to California to give a speech. Couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Anyway, so I'm on the plane. I land.

And I said, to somebody who was on the plane with me.

You have the headlines?

He said, yeah. Looks like President -- President Biden just apologized for the Lincoln Riley thing.

I said, well, it's only a couple days late, but at least he did it.

And then I got on to my own laptop, and started looking at -- and said, no. No. That's not what he apologized for. He apologized for calling him illegal.

It is -- I mean, I don't even -- what!

He is from Venezuela.

He crossed into the United States. Illegally.

He -- you know, of course, he was an undocumented person. He goes -- he comes here. He gets all kinds of help. They -- they catch him at the border.

They release him within an hour or so. They ship him to New York.

Where he gets free room and board.

I think he also gets a couple of extra free spaces in bingo up at the church.

And what does he do?

Breaks the law. Goes down to Georgia.

Breaks the law. Oh, well, I'm here. I may as well kill a woman.

This is a really bad guy.

And why is it the president had to apologize?

You know that was a setup.

Do we happen to have the audio by any chance?

No.

You know this was a setup.

He was on MSNBC. And the MSNBC anchor says, so do you feel bad at all? About calling him an illegal?

Now, why would you ask that?

Go ahead, here it is.

VOICE: During your response to her heckling of you, you used the word "illegal" when talking about the man who allegedly killed Laken Riley.

BIDEN: Undocumented person. I shouldn't have used the word "illegal." It's undocumented.

And, look, when I spoke about the difference between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about on the border was that is the way he talks about vermin. The way he talks about these people polluting the blood. I talked about what I won't do. I'm not treating any -- any of these people with this disrespect.

Look, they built the country. The reason our economy is growing.

We have to control the border, and more orderly.

GLENN: Right. Right.

VOICE: So you regret using that word?

BIDEN: Yes.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

This was the White House putting him in a softball situation, and tipping off the interview, hey, ask him about illegal.

STU: Yeah. 100 percent. These things do not just happen like that.

GLENN: No.

STU: Obviously, in reality, no one cares whether he said it was illegal. The fact that he didn't know the name was a bigger situation.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Than that. And the fact that he -- you can tell he was -- she was trying to goad him into talking about this.

She wanted him to mention this story. Which he would have never mentioned, if it wasn't for her.

If it wasn't for Marjorie Taylor Greene, he wouldn't have even mentioned it in that speech.

And look, it wound up drawing more attention, which is great.

But it's incredible, that that is where we are. Where we have to give the media giving him softball interviews.

At least he's doing interviews. He avoided the Super Bowl interview. At least he's doing interviews.

GLENN: He probably didn't have a lot guarantee, that it was going to be, what's your favorite ice cream?

So he's apologizing, that he would use the word "illegal" for somebody who is here illegally.

And didn't apologize for his role in allowing this guy to be here.

I love all of this -- this lefty bullcrap, that, you know, what about all the crimes that were done by illegals?

Yes. You mean citizens.

There's lots of crime done by citizens. Absolutely. But there's absolutely no reason to import people, who are criminals, into this country. So they can do crime.

We -- we should know who is here.

You know what, he's part of a pretty vicious gang. I don't think we let him in.

And you -- Mr. President, you, Mayorkas, and everybody else involved, who has been pushing these policies. Their blood is on your hands. Period.

Period. And there's a lot of blood on your hands. I mean, should we count the number killed in Ukraine?

Because that's directly responsible. You're directly responsible for that action, of Russia.

All you had to say was, we're not going to make Russia a part of NATO. That's all you needed to say. And you wouldn't say it.

You wanted the war. So her blood. The blood of everybody else, that has been injured or killed here in America, because you opened the border. Ukraine. Oh, all the people, really, at the Abbey Gate.

Of course, the 19 Marines. You know, that blood is -- there's a lot. I don't know if I can tally up all of the blood, but there's a lot on your hands.

Do you apologize for any of that?

STU: If you're in an interview talking about the Laken Riley situation, you think at the very least, if you're going to ask the question, hey, did you say illegal wrong? You would also mention, hey, what about mispronouncing her name?

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Right? It's almost directly related.

GLENN: Have you met her?

This is so crazy. When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer?

Look what's happened!

Stu just brought up a very good point.

He asked about mislabeling the killer. Not about the callousness of not knowing her name. Nor, reaching out to the family, and consoling. How about that one?


STU: And, of course, when he did attempt to console from the stage. He made it about himself. Which he did every single time.

GLENN: Every time.

Really? Well, I know your son was I guess in the war. The war wasn't happening in Georgia. You know. This has and he didn't lose him in the war.

GLENN: I know that.

STU: He also lost him because of cancer. Which again, is terrible. But had nothing to do with the situation they were dealing with.

Cancer is a vicious killer. And so is this illegal.

He's a vicious killer.

More on this, in just a second. First, let me tell you about are of.

Some people seem to be born tough. Like Helen. You remember Helen?

She still here? Helen!

Yes.

STU: Hi.

GLENN: Hi, Helen, how are you?

STU: Wonderful. I'm really glad we're talking again. Any time I get a chance to talk to you, I'm very happy.

GLENN: Really. Well, why not stay in the greenroom. I can have you back every ten minutes or so.

STU: Great!

GLENN: Anyway, you have pain, right?

STU: Lots of pain. You know, the incredible surgery and shots I've been going through, seemed to leave marks.

GLENN: Really?

STU: And, yeah. The pain is excruciating.

GLENN: But had you had that female pain yet?

STU: Well, surprisingly, not really. I don't know what's going on.

GLENN: Really? That must be just you.

STU: It must be just me.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, I'm so feminine now. Everyone thinks immediately, I must be dealing with that, on a monthly basis.

GLENN: Right.

STU: But not -- nope.

No.

GLENN: Huh.

STU: Very male in that sense.

GLENN: Wow. Have you had the ovaries checked?

STU: You know, they can't find them anywhere.

I asked, can you put some in, so the next doctor will find them. They say, they don't do that yet.

GLENN: Wow. Okay. Well, follow the science.

STU: Hey. Just one good piece of information: You paid for my surgery. You paid for my surgery. Thank you so much.

GLENN: I paid for it? How did I pay for your surgery?

STU: Taxpayers are now paying for my surgery, which is great. I wanted to thank you, because of how much you pay in taxes.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: So just think about that -- it's come up on April soon. Think about how wonderful that will be.

GLENN: I used to think it's really great, that, you know, on April, I think to myself, maybe I bought a plane that's keeping the country safe.

STU: Nope!

You bought something much different.

And it's now in the medical waste bin.

So I love Miranda Divine from the New York Post. I love her.

I was reading this story today. I didn't know who wrote it. It was from the Post. I didn't know who wrote it.

And I went, it's got to be Miranda Divine.

She said -- about this interview on MSNBC.

The first question was gently to chide the president for using the word illegal. Not for the insult of getting Riley's name wrong, or the outrage of allowing her to kill her into the country.

Look, when I spoke about different things between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about was the border. The way he talks about vermin.

It was the same after the train derailment spilled toxic chemicals that sickened residents of East Palestine, Ohio.

Biden's studious indifference allowed Trump to ride into town with fresh water and concerned words, two weeks after the disaster.

Biden couldn't find it in him -- find the town for a year. His people said, he was too busy. But he's never too busy for long weekends in luxury vacations.

Biden likes to emote about his own tragedies, every chance he gets. And this has been misinterpreted as empathy. It's not empathy. It's narcissism.

If he had a shred of empathy, he would unwind his open border executive orders of January, February '21. And stop lying that it's the Republican's responsibility.

This is a classic example of Biden's border madness. Despite being listed in the Department of Homeland Security documents as an active member of the deadly Tren de Aragua gang. I'm not a gang member. So I don't know all of their cool names.

The Post reported, this man was set to be free, almost immediately after crossing the border illegally in September 22.

Put on a bus in New York. Bring on free room and board in a migrant shelter. He worked for DoorDash and UberEATS, with entry to the apartments of unsuspected New Yorkers to deliver food.

A disgrace for which those companies should be hauled over the court -- coals. He expressed his gratitude for America's generosity, by continuing to break our laws.

Multiple arrests in New York, and Georgia.

But no detention. No deportation. And the media bent over backward. Saying that the murder suspect, was from Athens.

No. Venezuela.

They're spelled differently.

As Trump says, they're not sending their best and their brightest to us, from Venezuela.

This is -- this is -- our perversion now of empathy, what we -- what we are doing now. Is replacing, well, good for evil. Evil for good.

Whoa, unto him. We -- we have now taken the victims, and put that title on the perpetrator.

And the bad guy now, is the victim.

There's more empathy on the left, and the president, for this illegal, than there is for the dead.

Or those she left behind. That -- that is not the country you want to live in.

And I'm saying that to Democrats.

You don't want to live in that country.

We've seen those kinds of countries come and go. And they're abominations. You have to stop misplacing the empathy.

We used to be a nation of -- of heroes, and those heroes were the people, who were the underdogs.

We've replaced the underdog. The underdog is not the individual. Not anymore. It's this big terrifying group, that says, I, as an individual have a problem.

And they've gathered themselves into groups, with clubs.

And if you don't listen to them, they're Goliath!

Leaving you the one who is supposedly holding them down. To be beaten, by this mob!

No. They're -- they're not the victim. They're not little David.

They're Goliath. The individual remains the underdog.

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

Glad you're here. It's a Monday.

Bitcoin is over 72,000 now. 72,300. Amazing.

STU: Oh, is that it? Crypto is still dead. I want to make sure.

GLENN: No. Crypto is dead. Well, not right now.

But the moment it starts going down, it will be dead again.

STU: I saw so many stories about people who invested when it was 60 something thousand. And then they lost everything.

And those stories were everywhere. And I don't see them as often, when it goes up. That's such a weird thing.

GLENN: You know who lost?

The people who bought it at 60. Then pulled it out of the market. Now it's at 72.

STU: Yeah. Here's a true statement. Every single person, who has ever in the entire history of Bitcoin, bought it and held it to today, has made money. All of them.

100 percent of them. Congratulations to all of you. You people who decided to sell, oh, well, sometimes that goes wrong.

But if you decided to hold it, every single person who has ever done it in human history has made money. Oh, what a terrible investment.

Crypto dead. Let's write some more articles. Where are you guys?

Let's see it all over again. I can't wait until it goes down to 58, and we have the same cycle all over again.

I can't believe -- Bob toxin of southeast, South Bend. After seeing Pete Buttigieg's battle against underbridge lighting, decided to sell his Bitcoin and be lost 11 teen dollars. And now lives under that bridge, under that wonderful underscaped lighting.

And --

GLENN: This is why government needs to regulate it. Because people get hurt.

STU: Where is Elizabeth Warren when we did her?

Where are you, Liz. I haven't heard from Liz lately, on this stuff.

GLENN: You will. You will again.

STU: She's always blabbing about something. Just, it's infuriating.

Like, I mean, look, how many -- we're well over a trillion dollars in market cap.

How many times have we seen these things go to zero after we get to a trillion? Does that happen a lot? I don't know. It's pretty rare.

GLENN: Did pets.com get to a trillion? Then no. No.

STU: I'm pretty sure no. Pretty sure no.

GLENN: By the way, may I -- may I just point out the more perplexing story of the day, from Politico?

And that is, what's up with raw milk?

Now, normally, I'm not into my raw milk stories.

STU: No?

GLENN: Doctor says I'm getting too much of -- in my diet, of stories about raw milk.

How raw milk went from a whole food staple, to a conservative signal.

This story is fascinating to me. Because it's true. We're like switching places.

If you shopped at Whole Foods, 15 years ago, you were a Democrat. Had to be. Flaming liberal, okay?

Most likely, if you were eating at Cracker Barrel. Most likely, you voted for a Republican.

I don't know who the Democrats have become.

But we are people now, that enjoy Cracker Barrel and raw milk. And I've never -- have you ever had raw milk.

STU: No. I never have. We've talked about it a bunch of times. Never actually consumed it.

GLENN: Should get some raw milk.

STU: I have no interest consuming it, per se. But I know some people really like it.

GLENN: Why?

STU: I don't know.

I think Louis did a decent job with the whole pasteurization thing. That was the whole thing.

GLENN: Good old Louie, man.

STU: I thought he did the right thing.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a progressive idea.

STU: It was.

As far as --

GLENN: The stats are. Do you know how many people have died?

STU: Oh, I can guess. How many people have died from raw milk, per year? Or what's the time period you're looking for?

GLENN: Give me from 19 -- I'm looking for it here -- 1998 to 2018.

STU: Oh, my gosh. Twenty -- well, 396,000. That's -- I'm just judging on the coverage of it.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: I don't know. Well, it seems like every one who has died.

GLENN: You actually were pretty close. 300 -- what?

STU: 396,000.

GLENN: It was three -- that's it. It was three.

STU: 300 --

GLENN: But your number had a three in it.

It started with a three. So did --

STU: Started with a three.

GLENN: Starts with a three, except it ends with the three.

It's only three. From 1998 to 2018, three.

While oysters have caused hundred deaths every year! And we still eat oysters.

STU: Right. Right. We eat lots of things that could be dangerous. And I don't think raw milk is dangerous.

GLENN: No. And I don't think that -- I don't think -- I was against it, when they were coming down on the Amish.

Leave the poor Amish alone.

I like to drink it right from the teat. Okay. I don't. I don't.

STU: No.

GLENN: But that's the way you want to drink it. Go for it. As long as it's not something else. Just trying to get milk, you know what I'm saying?

STU: I kind of want to get away from the process as much as I can, on this one.

It's one of those things insular want to think about. The more raw to me, the worse.

Because I would rather have more chemicals in it, frankly.

GLENN: In the summers, I live in a town, with a few dairy farms. I don't like driving by them with my windows closed. I just don't want to think about all of that stuff.

However, I hear raw milk is good, and really good for you.

STU: Yeah. Look, if you want to have raw milk, you should be able to have it. You need to know the risks, if there are any. I guess there are some.

GLENN: Three.

STU: Three people have died.

GLENN: 1998 to 2018.

STU: You have to believe though, more people have died from regular milk. Because so many more people drink it.

So I don't know. Same risk happens every time you go to the store and buy things. We all know something can happen.

And like, if you -- I don't understand why you wouldn't allow people to consume it, if they want to.

GLENN: And how did this happen?

How are we the raw milk drinkers? And they're -- Whole Foods stopped carrying it.

STU: Really? Well, remember, Whole Foods has gone through quite a transition.

GLENN: Who bought them? Amazon.

STU: That's right. Amazon. That's right.

GLENN: So now the lefties, I love my Whole Foods. Good thing we don't have any raw milk in here, that's dangerous. And I know because a giant global corporation owns Whole Foods, and they care.

STU: Right. Now, the person who owned it back in the day was a Libertarian. Big time Libertarian. And really believed in the mission of the company. I don't know if Amazon does, or if they just find it in a nice distribution center.

GLENN: Yeah. I don't think Amazon cares about anything, except where their drones can land. You know, I think that's pretty much -- that's pretty much here -- pretty much it.

STU: How many people have died from drones in 1998 to 2003.

GLENN: More than three. More than three.

STU: By the way, Obama was president for a part of that time.

We know it was more than three.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah. All right.

Speaking of -- speaking of corrupt government.

Can I just take you, just for a minute, to Liz Cheney?

And the January 6 committee.

Have you heard the latest?

Liz Cheney suppressed evidence, that President Trump pushed for 10,000 national guard troops to protect the nation's Capitol.

This is now verified, by the transcript of the deposition given, and now through Freedom of Information Act, released through the Federalist?

Mollie Hemingway, wrote this unbelievable piece this weekend. We're going to talk about it coming up in great depth with some of the players. But Cheney, and her committee, falsely claimed they had no evidence to support Donald Trump ever communicated with anyone, their desire for 10,000 National Guard troops.

Now, I've heard the opposite from people. And I thought the opposite would have been in the committee!

Right? Wouldn't you think?

If they had the opposite, and it was testimony, you would enter that, as, you know, you know, no.

Actually, people also said this.

They didn't!

They didn't. Only less than half of the information, they collected, was included in the released testimony and final report.

STU: It was obviously totally one-sided.

And you had no one representing the Trump side of this.

GLENN: None.

There's three witnesses that testified, and is in the -- not the final report.

But the actual treasure trove of everything that was gathered. This has now, Republicans put -- could have been on the committee, and decided they didn't want to be part of it, which was understandable.

Also did not give them a voice to bring these things up during the committee. To me, it was a complete waste of time. And we got nothing out of it. And it was just nonsense.

So I don't know that was the wrong move. But this is the type of stuff, that they could have caught, if they were in there.

GLENN: Yeah. But I don't know if it would have made. Did you see the latest, also on Liz Cheney this weekend?

She was instrumental, in the defense chiefs all coming up, and intelligence chiefs saying, Donald Trump in bed.

This looks like a Russian operative thing. And he was involved. That was her. She was organizing all of that.

Through the Cheney name. I mean, how do you believe anything, that comes out of Washington anymore?

STU: We should note that Liz Cheney voted for Trump in 2020.

Which is the most bizarre part, she voted for him. And turned into this person that seemingly has completely dedicated to the --

GLENN: To the big state.

STU: I don't know she's even doing now.

I don't know. Is that still under conversation?

GLENN: Good luck with that, with these things coming out.

STU: Yeah, well, this might be the thing you do. Within the race, blame everything on politics.

GLENN: Maybe she put it out.

Look how anti-Trump I was.

I mean, Nikki Haley. Yeah. She's a rookie. Look what I've done.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Glenn Beck Program. Glad you're here. Well. We started the hour with Joe Biden, making sure he was taking care of the illegal who killed Laken. And I mean, he's been so consistent on this.

I mean, Stu, could you imagine if we could go back in time and somehow or another, find like Chuck Schumer, or Biden talking about illegals?

VOICE: Can you scare an employer in this country, whether he's an agricultural worker or housewife, into not hiring an illegal, because the punishment is so high, that if you get caught, it's a huge embarrassment to your family. And you may just get hit with a fine that will kill you.

BIDEN: That's slightly what we should do.

VOICE: Because you can't catch every --

VOICE: No. You can't. And the last part of this is that the democratic position also recognizes. You have 11 million illegal aliens here. They have to have a way to earn their way into the deal. This isn't amnesty. They're required to take 11 year's worth. They pay a fine. They have to learn to speak English. They have to pass...

GLENN: That's -- now, imagine if we could find Chuck Schumer saying the same kind of stuff.

VOICE: When we use the phrases like "undocumented workers," we convey a message to the American people, that the government is not serious about combating illegal immigration. Which the American people overwhelmingly oppose. If you don't think it's illegal, you're not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong.

GLENN: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Anyway, Stu, can you imagine if we could go back in time and find stuff like that?

STU: Yeah. I mean, we don't have those --

GLENN: Those capabilities. Just all in our imagination.

STU: Yes. That was a fascinating --

GLENN: That was 2009. 2009.

STU: I was going to say, he looked pretty old for the '80s.

GLENN: 2009.

STU: Who was president in 2009? Barack Obama?

GLENN: Barack Obama, talking about, if you're not going to say they're illegal, you're not going to stop it.

STU: He's, of course, right. And he's right in how people hear that. If you won't say that, you probably won't think it's illegal.

GLENN: Well, if anybody, I don't know how anybody who vote Democrat still think that the Democrats, that the Democrats are the ones that are fighting for the little man. The every guy. They're fighting for the labor unions. The closest they get to the little guy.

The labor unions. And then the big corporations.

They're only for big, powerful things. They're not for the individual.

STU: It's a fascinating thing. What a weird transition.

We just -- it just shows we're old. We've done this show long enough together, to see them completely switch sides on like 100 different topics.

GLENN: Can you imagine, if we were on talk radio, back in like 1970s.

We would be like, wait. Johnson.

Johnson would be the guy who stopped the Civil Rights Act. You know, I can't take it anymore.

If you were living in the '60s, you went through this transition. Where all of a sudden, without any rhyme or reason, they just are like, yeah.

I know I was the one using the N-word.

And I'm still proud to use it, you know, at my home and with my friends.

But I think we should help out these inferior races. I mean, how did they pull that off?

Just like they're doing now!

The same kind of transition. Right in front of our eyes.

What Happens if Israel SACRIFICES a Red Heifer?
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What Happens if Israel SACRIFICES a Red Heifer?

Rumors are spreading that Israelis are planning to sacrifice a red heifer around Passover. But will the sacrifice actually be made, what would it mean for Jews and Christians, and what would happen next? Shoreshim Ministries founder Bill Cloud joins Glenn to explain: Will it usher in the End Times? Will the Temple be rebuilt? What does a red heifer even symbolize? What happened the last time Israel found red heifers? Have they built an altar? Should Christians see this as a sign that Christ is returning soon? And should Christians even be focused on this at all?

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GLENN: It is. And we will tell you about that coming up. We have Bill Cloud on back on. He is the founder of Jacob's Tent Fellowship. Also, Shoreshim Ministries.

And he's probably -- he's taught Biblical prophecy for a long time. And what I like about him is, he's not like, we're all going to die, it's coming tomorrow. He takes a very tempered look at everything and just can give you the facts that we know. But we don't know if those are the facts that, you know, God was telling us to look for.

Is that a good explanation? Bill.

BILL: Well, I do try to be tempered.

I mean, I try to keep all of my theology, in this solar system.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: So, you know, I try to be that way.

GLENN: Okay. And you said yesterday, that sometimes, you know, what we think is going -- we're looking for, is not necessarily going to happen, the way we think it's going to happen.

Can you give me an example of that?

BILL: Well, yeah. In Matthew chapter 17, Josiah goes up to the top of the Mount with Peter, James, and John.

He's transfigured. His face is shining like a light.

The disciples see this. They're coming back down the mountain, and they're puzzled. Because they asked him, hey, we follow that the prophecy teachers of the day told us that Elijah could come first.

But you're already here. And you're obviously the messiah. So how come Elijah didn't come first. And he said, well, Elijah did. But you missed it.

Because you were looking for that Elijah. But you missed the whole message that John the Baptist was giving, the spirit and power of Elijah.

So that's the very quick example of, we can be looking at this. It has to look like this. It has to be this size. And everything else.

And the whole time, God is doing exactly what was said, just not the way we were looking for.

So as I said yesterday. It's very important, as we read these professes.

We interpret them. We think they will happen this way. Based on what we see going on in the world today.

But I sometimes -- and maybe even a lot of times. It doesn't happen the way we think. It just happens exactly the way God said. And it's usually after it happened, we can look and say, yeah. Okay. I see it now.

So that's an example. And that is very important, I believe. In going forward. And, you know, when we see all these things happening in the world.

GLENN: So I often have thought, if you were alive during Hitler's reign, especially if you had a front row seat to it, you had to have thought that Jesus was coming soon. But there were a lot of things that had not been accomplished. For instance, the reestablishment of Israel.

And then the gathering of Israel.

And so, you know, if you knew your Scriptures. You would go, well, no. I don't think so.

But it could happen quickly.

But now, a lot of really big things have happened.

What's -- what big prophecies have been fulfilled, and what is still out there, that we should be watching out for?

VOICE: Well, you mentioned the reestablishment of the nation of Israel in '48.

The capturing of the old city, and the reeducation of Jerusalem in '67. Which at that point, gave Jews access to the Temple Mount.

Although, temporarily. So the -- it's a big one. And I might say, that, you is still ongoing. And it has not come to its ultimate fruition.

GLENN: And what does that mean?

What does that mean? The regathering of Israel?

What does that mean exactly.

BILL: Well, to make a long story short. Because of transgression. Because of rebellion. Because of all these different sins, Israel was exiled. And to this day, a lot of Israel is still scattered through the nations. So there are these multiple prophecies about how until the last, they have gathered all of Israel into the land. To the point, this is the way Jeremiah puts it. That they will never talk about the exodus out of I didn't want. But they will talk about the exodus from all these different nations, and because we aren't talking in those terms just yet, that tells me it hasn't come to its ultimate fulfillment. But because we will talk about, in just a couple of days how God brought his people out of Egypt.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: So it's an ongoing thing. But that's a really big one. But, no, there are other things that are happening right now.

I think the Gazan War is something that is very significant. Because there are prophecies about Gaza about the land of the Philistines.

I think this war has the potential. I'm not going to make the prediction. But it has the potential to lead into other things. The attack the other night.

Iran was said to be, at least, you know, affiliated with, you know, what's going on with Gaza, and these kinds of things.

So there are things going on right now, that do set stage. Potentially, for some things to happen.

And that makes our day a little different right now.

GLENN: What -- what -- that you're saying, that Gaza could turn into.

What are you referring to?

BILL: Well, again, there are different prophecies about Gaza, how it's going to be. You know, basically. But here's the thing that jumps out at me. It's the fact that Hamas has played such a big role.

The Bible names Hamas by name. There are prophecies against Edom and Esau, and it says because of the Hamas, that you committed against your brother Jacob, which is translated violence, I'm going to deal with you.

And Obadiah, it says, because you've committed Hamas against your brother Jacob, I am going to deal with you.

In Genesis, before the days of Noah, before the flood, it says that Hamas filled the earth. So I do not believe that that is just some cosmic. That's God way before any of this, you know, we were even thought of.

God is already telling us things in the beginning, to be on the lookout.

So the fact that Hamas has been the instigator, primary instigator, as it relates to what's going on in the Gaza War right now. To me, something is very, very important. And that means, it has the potential to expand into other things. Other prophecies. They talk about the construction of Damascus. And it leading all the way up to what a lot of people are looking for in the War of Gog and Magog. So all of that is on the table, as a possibility.

Is it going to happen right now? Again, I don't know. There are things that could happen that could lead to these more dramatic events. So, anyway, that's --

GLENN: Well, the --

BILL: That's what I mean by the Gazan thing.

GLENN: Well, the destruction of Syria, Damascus could happen overnight. The return of the Jews to Israel, you would think that would be almost impossible. You know, one of the things I've been thinking lately. You know, disconnected from end time stuff.

If I were a Jew today. And I saw the whole world starting to heat up like this. There would come a time, when I would be like, you know, I'm going to Israel.

I will at least stand with my own people.

Because it's the only place, where I may not be persecuted, you know, without a shot of standing up.

BILL: Well, and I think that -- this is going to sound maybe a little bizarre.

But God's way, is to put pressure on people.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: To move them into a place that they want them to be. I mean, that's just the plain and simple fact.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: So I don't discount that at all.

I think these things begin to unfold. It will become increasingly unpopular in the world. To be Jewish.

To be associated with Israel. To stand with Israel.

But at the same time, you know, God uses that pressure to kind of put people in the position, he wants them to be. To kind of put people in the position -- to kind of force his will. And it's always going to be for the best interest of his people.

But it doesn't feel very good at the time when you're being subjected to all that pressure.

GLENN: Do Iran and Russia and their alliance play a role in prophecy?

BILL: Well, a lot of people think so. I'm one of those. And based, primarily, on reading Ezekiel 38 and 9. This is -- I mentioned briefly a moment ago, the war of Gog and Magog. Right?

And so if you think -- if you read the prophecy, we don't have time to do that today. But if you think that Russia is the land of Magog, then I would say yes.

In fact, that prophecy talks about how this chief prince. This ruler, over the land of Magog will come from the far north. Well, if you start in Israel and go north.

If you go to the far north, you're in Russia.

So it seems that Russia would be involved. And, of course, the old Soviet Union was never a friend to Israel.

It was a line of Israel's enemies. If I were Netanyahu, I wouldn't trust Putin as long as I can spit.

So Russia is not a good guy in this regard. And then when you read that prophecy, Ezekiel 38:9, you'll see among the confederates, the first one that is mentioned is Persia, which of course is the ancient name for Iran.

Just kind of a sidebar here. Interesting to me, anyway. The name Iran, or the modern name Iran, is derived from the word Aryan.

Maybe it -- maybe that should tell you something.

GLENN: Yeah. I've always thought so.

Before we get into the Ark of the Covenant. Which I just find fascinating.

You said that we need to watch out for Esau.

Who is Esau in the Bible? And in modern times?

BILL: Well, Esau, of course, was the older brother of Jacob. He's all red and hairy, and he's impulsive. And he's a hunter, and all these kinds of things.

And he has no regard for the birthright. He has no regard for the covenant that God made with Abraham. Jacob is the more temperate one. He values these things that are eternal. So when Jacob obtained the blessing of his father Isaac, Esau vowed to kill him.

So as you read ahead in the prophecy, you will see, even though the man, Esau died, God still addresses Esau, also known as Edom, you know, centuries later, because of your hatred towards your brother, because of the hamas toward your brother, I am going to -- I am going to deal with you in the end.

And so to me, today, Esau is epitomized in those people, like Hamas. Like Hezbollah. They have this ancient hatred. And that's the way it's termed in Ezekiel chapter five.

And I would even include, Glenn, within that mix, all these people that are getting on the Golden Gate Bridge. And stopping traffic.

And doing all these protests and standing outside the New York University, last night.

Chanting death to America. In Dearborn, Michigan. I would include that, in the people that are identified as Esau from a Biblical point of view, not so much because they're descended from that.

GLENN: No. Because of their hatred. Unreasonable hatred.

BILL: Correct.

GLENN: Okay. When we come back, let me take a one-minute break, and then we will talk about the rebuilding of the temple and the Ark of the Covenant. Some say they know exactly where it is. And it's closer to the Temple Mount, than you might think.

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GLENN: Okay. So does the dome of the rock have to be destroyed for the third temple?

BILL: That's what most people think when they consider, you know, a building of the temple. Although, not everybody thinks that that is necessary.


And because there is some dispute about where the temple actually sat, where the Holy of Holies was.

There's a lot of religious -- where the dome of the rock is.

There was a gentleman, excuse me, back in the late '80s, early '90s.

A professor at the University. He felt that the holy of holies was actually a little north of the dome of the rock, at a place called the dome of the tablets of the spirits.

So most people believe that the dome of the rock has to go. There are some who believe that it's possible, that the temple could have -- it's not just north.

And technically speaking, could it be on the same platform. There's even a passage in revelation chapter seven. Where John is told to measure the temple of God. To leave the court outside. Leave that out.

The Gentiles. So some people have thought, well, maybe that is suggesting that there is going to be a temple, alongside either the dome of the rock.

Or the mosque. And, you know, I don't know. I find that problematic for a lot of reasons.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like the burning of the red heifer right there, you know, in Arab territory.

It might be a problem with that.

BILL: That's right.

GLENN: So, you know, the Ark of the Covenant is where they kept the Ten Commandments. And I know it was real. I know it existed. I never, ever thought, we're going to find that.

We're going to find that? Is that important for the rebuilding of the temple?

BILL: Well, technically speaking. The second temple.

This is the one that was built after the Babylonian captivity. And then Herod expanded it. That, we did not have the Ark of the Covenant in it. And it was still considered the house of God.

So there's historical precedent for rebuilding the temple and not having the ark. However, there's prophecies that talk about, how the glory of the latter house is going to be greater than the first one. Referring to Solomon, which is referring to the Ark of the Covenant.

So technically, they could rebuild it without the ark.

However, there have been those in Israel, since the reunification of Jerusalem, who not only do they want to build a temple of the Temple Mount, but they want to find the Ark of the Covenant.

And there are a lot of traditions, as to what happened to the Ark of the Covenant.

Some say, that it went to Ethiopia, which I don't believe.

Some people say, that Jeremiah hid it in Mount Nebo which is Jordan. Some people believe it's outside the old city, buried. And then there are quite a number of people. And particularly, people close to the idea of rebuilding the temple.

Who believe it's buried somewhere, and underneath the Temple Mount.

That's not really a big secret honestly. It's all oar the internet.

GLENN: No. But I find, if you know something about the Temple Mount.

We'll come back to this in just a second.

Because there's somebody a labyrinth of temples underneath, et cetera, et cetera. But I can't see how those have not been, you know, exhaustively gone through by those of the Muslim religion.

We'll give more of those in just a second. Stand by.
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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

We're glad you're here.

We're talking to bill cloud, as passover comes up on Monday.

We're talking about Biblical prophecies. Because there's a lot of stuff happening in the world right now.

Where a lot of people are going, you know. I think eye read about this someplace before.

But. No man knows when.

I mean, it could be a thousand years from now.

But it will happen at some point.

And we need to be aware. And I want to make this really clear. And, Bill, I think you'll back me up on this.

The Lord was not. He didn't look at Scriptures and was like, man. It doesn't have a snappy ending.

I want part two of this. So let me leave them on a scary cliffhanger.

The Book of Revelation was written, not to scare us.

But to say, look, all of these things will come to pass.

And it's almost. I think it's a blessing, that he says, and, you know, at this point, the seven-year clock starts to -- to tick off.

And he's telling us, this -- I'm not -- don't be shocked by these things.

They're going to be bad. And they're going to seem like they're never-ending.

But they're not.

And I'm telling you these things, so you have faith. And can make it through those times. Is that how you read it?

BILL: Absolutely. When you go to the Book of Revelation, by the way. And you look at the heading.

It says, the revelation of Jesus Christ. It does not say the revelation of the Antichrist or the tribulation or bold judgments and vile judges. It's about the Messiah. In fact, it says, in that book, that the essence of prophecy is the testimony of the messiah. The spirit of prophecy is about the messiah.

So everything about all this bad stuff, ultimately, it will point us to the messiah. Because all the bad stuff is just the Satan, and those who practice wickedness. Trying to stop the messiah from returning and sitting upon his throne in Jerusalem. To rule and reign.

So, yeah, it doesn't end on a bad note. It ends on what mankind, those who love and holiness had been longing for, since Adam was exiled from the garden.

A return, to be with God and God be in our midst. So that's the greatest thing that we could ever hope for. And all these things that we would see, is pointing us to that. So it's an excellent observation on your part.

It tells us these things. In fact, when he sat down on the Mount of Olives with his disciples. This is a -- by the way, Mount of Olives is where they will burn that red heifer when they do it. But anyway, he sits down on the Mount of Olives. And he says, tell me all these things, as you said, so you know this will happen.

But don't be dismayed. Don't fall in despair. I'm telling you these things, so that you will not be deceived.

I'm telling you these things, in advance, you won't be impulsive, and running after things that you shouldn't be running after. So when these things happen, keep your focus.

You know, kind of stay the course on what you know is true. So absolutely, I agree with you.

GLENN: Growing lawlessness is the sign of the last days. And we're seeing lawlessness, like I've never seen before.

Now, this has happened over and over again. Where societies have been lawless, and they collapse.

But lawlessness in the last days, it gives birth to the lawless one. Which is the Antichrist. Right?

BILL: Right. Exactly. That's exactly right. You know, a lot of people have thought, that the Antichrist have come to power. And he will create this lawless environment.

I believe a lawless environment gives birth to the lawless one. The final prediction of the Antichrist.

GLENN: To me, that -- that is -- makes sense.

We're -- you know, it was about 2000, oh, six. I was talking to Condoleezza Rice. And she used very specific language. She was on my show. And we were talking about, you know, what things look like now.

And, you know, what's coming our way. And she said, these things are birth pangs. Of the things to come.

And I thought, that was -- you know, rather unusual language for somebody to use.

Because it's very Scriptural.

BILL: Yeah. That's Biblical language for sure.

GLENN: Yeah, it is. And we are giving birth to something. I don't know if it's the -- you know, the Antichrist. Or the end times. Or just really, really bad times.

But there -- everything that we're seeing, these are like contractions and birth pangs. When things happen, you're like, ow. That hurt. And they're becoming faster and faster and closer and closer to one another.

We are giving birth to something.

BILL: Yeah. Well, in Hebrews, it's the birth pangs of the Messiah.

The Messiah is -- and his rule and reign, over the earth, that's what is -- that's what's being birthed. That's what's coming to fruition.

It's just in the process, the earth and everybody in it, has to go through these birth pangs.

Paul talks about how the earth is groaning and producing this travail and birth pangs. So that the sons of God will be revealed. That goes hand-in-glove with the messiah and his return. That's what's being birthed.

But just like in any birth, something that is wonderful. There's all this yuckiness, and pain and suffering.

Unfortunately, that pressure has to be there, to get those who are listening to the voice of the Lord, in the place that he wants them to be. And that is, not giving in to the lawlessness. Not giving in to the just crazy stuff, that society is pushing down our throats.

But to stay true, based on what Christians say.

So that's what's being birthed, as far as I'm concerned.

GLENN: Let me go back to the Ark of the Covenant. It seems like an Indiana Jones movie. It doesn't seem rule in some ways.

I know it is. Or I know it was.

But then it just kind of disappeared.

Nobody really knows what happened to it. People have been looking for it, forever.

And people are saying, it will be revealed. And some people believe it's under the Temple Mount.

I've stood, at the place where they say, right behind these stones, is where they think the holy of holies is.

Which is where they think the Ark of the Covenant is.

And it's a labyrinth of passageways and everything, underneath there. At least it used to be. But why -- why would it -- how could it possibly be still there, when, you know, the Muslims have been digging underneath the Temple Mount for a long time. And taking truckloads, of -- of dirt and antiquities out and just dumping them.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, how could it still be there?

You know, I don't know that I have the answer to that question. I will just say, my faith would say, if God wanted it to be there, it will still be there. He has a way of watching over things.

GLENN: Right.

But is it prophesied that it will be found and come back, or is this just something that some people think?

BILL: Well, the last time you see -- or you see a mention of the Ark of the Covenant. Is when Josiah tells the priest to take the Ark of the Covenant and put it in the house that Solomon had prepared for it. And, by the way, there are people who read into that. Well, the Ark of the Covenant was already in the temple. What is Josiah saying? Some people say, well, he was hiding it, because he knew the Babylonians were coming. And that's where some people think, well, it's hidden in somewhere around Jerusalem.

Most people close to the temple, are -- our rebuilt temple. Motivation. Think it's under the Temple Mount.

But, you know, it disappears from the record, is the point.

And the next time you see anything mentioned. It's in the Book of Revelation, actually.

After all this other stuff is over with.

All the bad stuff.

So, yeah. It is a big mystery.

I will tell you a quick story. Ninety-two.
I and another gentleman, along with an Israeli friend, we went to the office of Rabbi Yehuda Getz, who at that time was over all of the holy places in Jerusalem.

And to make a long story short, Rabbi Getz did not believe that the Ark of the Covenant was in Ethiopia. He did not believe it was there.

He felt very confident, he knew where the Ark of the Covenant was. And he did not tell us. But our Israeli friend, later told us, that in the early '80s, along with a lot of the men who were participants, in the relitigation of Jerusalem. '67. Actually, when these excavations begun, they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant. Because they believed that it was under the temple mount somewhere. I've even heard reports, that it was supposedly -- saw the place where it was kept. Now, I don't know that to be a fact.

So there are people who do believe it still exists. There are people that are in Jerusalem, who would love for that to be revealed. And I would suggest that if that were -- if you think the red of her will cause --

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I can't imagine how that could be revealed, and the whole world not taking real significant note.

Whether you believe that the -- what's ever in it. Or that the remnants of the Ten Commandments. Or not.

It doesn't matter.

For the Ark of the Covenant to be revealed and come back.

That would say a lot, about Israel. About Jerusalem. About the times we live in. I mean, pretty much everything. Pretty much everything.

GLENN: Well, it still exists. And this is just my opinion. That's all it is, just an opinion.

I tend to believe that if it does exist, and it's going to be revealed.

Then it probably will coincide with the Messianic age, with the Messiah's return.

And I think that would probably be more likely. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people who would be very, very excited to be -- to have an opportunity. To find it, look for it. And if they could, bring it out.

And that would cause World War III, most likely.

GLENN: It probably would.

It's weird, Bill. When you're over there. You don't understand highway this little patch of land has caused so much turmoil really, in the world.

Why everybody seems to be -- you know, centered on that patch of land. Because it's not very big.

And it's almost like it's a pulse, you can feel it.

That Temple Mount. There's something about that area.

It's God's throne. And you can feel it.

It's amazing. It's amazing.

BILL: Exactly. Exactly. That, what you just said, is prophetic. Prophecy said, he will make Jerusalem burden themselves. And even more -- more so, the Temple Mount. Because that is where God's presence kissed the earth.

And the Ark of the Covenant was basically God's throne on earth.

So, yeah. It's a very contested piece of property, and it will be at the heart of conflict. Yes.

GLENN: Bill Cloud, thank you so much.

If you would like to follow him, you can follow him on his website at BillCloud.org. That's BillCloud.org.

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The Right WON’T WIN Unless it Does THIS

Recently, “America’s Cultural Revolution” author Christopher Rufo warned that “the Right faces an inflection point.” Instead of focusing on actually changing policies and culture, he argued, some on the Right have leaned into “conspiracy theories that lead nowhere.” Some of these, especially related to Israel, have caused massive debates. But how should we approach this divide? And what’s causing it? Christopher and Glenn make the case that the answer is self-discipline, NOT censorship, and providing better content than just “cheap attention” tweets. In order to win against the progressive elites, conservatives must get their own house in order first.

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GLENN: Last week, I saw Christopher Rufo, who I greatly admire.

Write and talk about something we don't need to talk about. But in that, he said, the right faces an reflection point. There are serious people, who are trying to advance a serious political movement, with a vision for governing.

There are also unserious people, who are willing to sell conspiracy. Leading us nowhere.

I care about politics, because I believe we have substantive work to do for the country. This requires putting together a coalition that is capable of taking responsibility. The choice is ours.

I responded to that. And people -- and I'm hoping Christopher didn't. But people thought that I was coming after Christopher and I, but I wasn't.

I was really frustrated with, he's right. But what does a serious option look like?

I said, I have great respect for Christopher Rufo. He has done more to expose the rot than many of us combined. But, Chris, the only option that I see that is viable is a return to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. All of our problems stem from the violation of these documents. Congress doesn't care.

Nor does it even attempt to do its job. Every administration is worse than the last. At this point, it is all powerful.

Supreme Court has trouble defining a woman. May God help us, with them defining any of the Amendments. Our Justice Department, Intel, and every agency has been co-opted by radicals. Those who believe in a constitutional republic are not the radicals. There is another option.

Return to e pluribus unum. The Bill of Rights and Constitution.

So I wanted to get Christopher on. Because I heard from so many people, that we were warring. And, Christopher, I'm sorry, if I've let anybody, to think I would stand against you.

Because I have some admiration for you.

CHRIS: Of course not. I didn't take any offense to it.

I found we were actually in agreement. I'm glad we have a chance to talk in greater depth.

I think you translation canned the problem there perfectly. But the question I'm raising is, how do we get there?

What kind of coalition do we need?

What kind of intellectual leadership, do we need? And then what kind of political leadership do we need?

And what I noticed on the right, especially on the horrific I can attacks against Jews in Israel, is that there's been a fragmentation.

And there's people chasing conspiracy theories. There's a rise. Kind of resurge answer, on the outer fringes of anti-Semitism on the right.

And then there are people elevating their profiles in media. On conspiracy theories, that lead nowhere, on kind of tabloid-style dossett that doesn't offer any kind of concrete possibility.

And so I think we have a media problem. And we have, in addition, a leadership problem.

GLENN: When you say a media problem, you mean the right media?

CHRIS: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I just -- I think if you look at kind of serious conservative media figures. And, of course, I would include you in this. You're always doing the reporting, the conversations, trying to guide people, towards something, that that they can do. Some legislation that politicians can pass. Some policy that we can adopt. Some counterculture that we can build. But I think given the dynamics of online media advertising, audience building, and then just the dynamics of kind of general tech and media trends.

Some people are being, you know, kind of generously rewarded with clicks and attention. Who don't actually offer anything substantive. And I think it gets some of our audience. And some of our listeners. In this outrage cycle.

Where they're outraged for outrage sake.

They're not being directed for guiding that outrage towards something constructive. And I've seen it. It can be really be damaging to people. And it's certainly damaging to a political movement.

And I don't think it's a failure of the audience. I think it's actually a failure of us, in the media, in positions of authority, in positions of leadership. You always have to guide people towards something that can make their lives better, and if we're not doing that, we're taking advantage, and we have to stop.

GLENN: So I completely agree with you.

So what is -- because we agree with the solution. And this is my point, back to you, was, I am very afraid of serious options. Because there is another split in the right. That is -- is willing to look at -- at extra constitutional solutions. And that's really dangerous. And starting to say, well, this Constitution, maybe it's old and dusty. Like the left has been saying.

No, no, no, no. No. All of our problems are solved, by two things.

One, the people living a better life. And I don't mean like, you're making more money. I mean, you're more decent, humble, and just better person. Plus, the rule of law. Being restored, as written.

So where do you see anybody coming up and really promoting that, Chris?

CHRIS: Well, I think that's exactly what we need to do. And I've been very vocal. There's a lot of frustration on the right. There's a lot of anxiety. But all of our problems can be solved through kind of normal -- Democratic -- peaceful Democratic means. We still have a great system.

But our system is atrophying because we're not using that system. And soiled point to the leadership of someone whom I admire very much. Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida. He had the same legislature, that Jeb Bush did. He had the same state Constitution.

And yet, he's using power effectively within the law, to make Florida a better state for people to live, work, and raise families.

And so I think we have to really discipline our own coalition, we have to stop engaging in these kind of fantasies, of extra judicial or extra parliamentary politics. And we have to say, if we are going to be the conservative, political party, the conservative political movement, we have to respect the documents that just be smarter. Be more persistent. Be more diligent.

In actually practicing politics. And so there are models out there, that are successful. And I think, we have another model of the kind of more, say, radical, extra constitutional model. That is the dismal failure. It's always been a dismal failure. When the left did it in the late 1960s and early 1970s, with those radical movements, the American people rejected them. If the right does it at any time, now or in the future, the people, the citizens will reject them.

It's a dead end. And we need media figures, that are kind of telling people to straighten out. To have self-discipline. To remind people of the constitutional principles that we're fighting for. And then to lay out a plausible plan.

Because people get desperate, when they think we have no other options. So it's our responsibility to show them the concrete options, not just spin out into conspiracy land.

GLENN: So, Chris, I do not -- I do not -- I don't listen to anybody else. I don't watch anybody else.

I read. But I have tried to cut my reading back to about four hours a day.

Because it's just poison. It's just all poison. But it's part of my job.

I have to read and be informed. So I don't -- but I don't hear things. You -- I am very concerned about just somebody doing something stupid. I'm also very concerned about this very, very small group of people.

That are Christian nationalists. But it's very small.

I am not concerned about the -- the average listener, if you will.


CHRIS: Correct.

GLENN: You seem to be -- I don't know if your concern is greater than mine.

And I'm pretty concerned about things. I want to -- I want to judge why -- what is it that you're feeling or is bringing this out, in such a passionate way? I want to make sure I'm not missing it.

CHRIS: Yeah. Well, I think we are approaching a critical period, in our country's history.

And, you know, I think the genesis of my comments. Was this -- you know, blowup between Candace Owens. And the Daily Wire. You know, Ben Shapiro's publication.

And, you know, I think that -- I tried to be disciplined. In my criticisms. People within our coalition. Within our movement.

But, you know, Candice had been arguing that there are secret gangs of Jews. Murdering people in Hollywood. She had rationalized Kanye West's, you know, kind of deranged antisemitic outbursts. She had been pushing stories about how the president of France's wife is actually a man. And these are stories that drive clicks. They drive controversy.

But they actually don't create anything substantive. And unfortunately, there is a kind of rising group of commentators and media figures. That have figured out, that the way to get cheap attention. Is to put forward stories like these.

And I just think that, we have to be, of course, kind of tolerant of a range of opinion.

But there also is an out of bound or a limit, that any political movement needs to maintain its own coherence and its own discipline.

GLENN: And you're not talking about censorship. You're just talking about self-control.

CHRIS: That's right. It's first self-discipline, and then it's also giving people a better option.

Of course, I don't think any of these opinions should be censored. They shouldn't be stricken from the record. The government shouldn't have any sway whatsoever.

But I think it's up to us, to have that discerning judgment. And to also show people, why this is such a limitation.

Why -- why it actually is not helpful.

And to get people out of this outrage cycle, that depletes them, and into a cycle of participation and politics in a real sense.

You know, politics is not, you know, tweeting conspiracy theories. Politics is actually winning elections. Changing the law. And managing institutions.

And so we needed a movement that is capable of doing that. And if we're not a movement that is capable of doing that, we don't deserve power.

We don't deserve to win, and we don't deserve to have our ideas shaping the law.

GLENN: I am -- we're talking to Christopher Rufo.

I am gravely concerned, that any time between now and really probably January 20th of next year, is the most dangerous place our republic may have ever been.

And that's including in the Civil War. We are -- we are at the edge of losing everything. Somebody does something stupid. We go to war. The economy collapses.

Whatever it is. There is -- there is a real shot, that we lose our freedom. It's happening all -- I mean, look what's happening in Brazil. This is -- this is happening all over the West, right now.

And I know, I have self-edited more than I've ever edited. Because I want to be very careful with my word.

Because I am so concerned, about the cries of dis and miss and malinformation. That will be wrongly pointed in people's direction by the state.

But it's important now, that we are speaking clearly. And as -- and as accurately, as we possibly can.

Do you feel the same way?

CHRIS: I feel the same way, and I'm very concerned about it. And I think this really dovetails nicely with my argument. If we don't have the self-discipline and if we engage in these kind of wild lines of media narratives.

It will provide, you know -- it's fake. But it will provide a kind of rationalization or justification for continued censorship. If the government and organized left, can point to a verifiably false conspiracy theories. They can then use it as justification for censorship.

Obviously, I don't support that. I think you should -- I think everyone has the right to say whatever they want. True, false, good or bad.

But, you know, we have to be realistic about it. And this is a major threat, of getting deplatformed. Of getting debanked.

GLENN: Yep.

CHRIS: Of getting kind of de-anonymized, exposed. And so we have to -- we unfortunately. Look, the New York Times can publish conspiracy theories for three years about Russiagate, they will be awarded the Pulitzer Prize, and they'll pay no price when it turns out to be all a pack of lies.

We don't have that luxury. I wish we did. But we have to take the reality for what it is.

We have to be more disciplined. We have to have higher standards. And we have to fight much smarter than our opponents.

That said, the good news, is that when we fight smart, like DeSantis has done in Florida.

There is a wide open vista of possibility for us.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

CHRIS: And we can truly create, you know, what I think of as a counter hegemony. That will create a bulwark or a defense against all of the awful things that the organized left is doing.

GLENN: Christopher Rufo, thank you so much. Thank you for being a friend. Friend of the show. And friend of freedom. Appreciate it.

How Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion WILL Create the Next Public Health Crisis | Glenn TV | Ep 348
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How Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion WILL Create the Next Public Health Crisis | Glenn TV | Ep 348

Everything is a “public health crisis” these days. Racism. Climate change. The lack of access to “gender-affirming care.” But there’s one ACTUAL public health crisis the far Left has created: diversity, equity, and inclusion. The future of YOUR health care is at stake as this dangerous reform movement is being forced upon American medical schools, all of the professional medical organizations, and hospitals, with total endorsement from Biden’s White House. Glenn Beck exposes how this academic cancer is changing medical school admissions and graduates, what caused this movement to accelerate, the real-world life-and-death consequences of this insanity for patients, and how any resistance to this movement brings swift crackdown from the Thought Police. Glenn is joined by Dr. Stanley Goldfarb, the founder of “Do No Harm,” a network of doctors, nurses, medical students, and patients working to get identity politics out of medicine. Dr. Goldfarb taught medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and published more than a hundred articles in the New England Journal of Medicine and other top medical journals. He debunks the racist claim that “black patients need black doctors” and sounds the alarm on deadly efforts to push unqualified doctors on patients.

EXCLUSIVE: Will RFK, Jr. Change Glenn's Mind?
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EXCLUSIVE: Will RFK, Jr. Change Glenn's Mind?

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. once called Glenn a traitor because he thought Glenn's opinions on climate change were "dangerous" and should be shut down. But now, he's one of the biggest CRITICS of censorship. So, what changed? Glenn decided to sit down with the independent presidential candidate to find out.