RADIOFebruary 25, 2025

SPOILER ALERT: De Niro’s “Zero Day” is Actually CONSERVATIVE?!

Many on the right were anticipating Robert De Niro’s new Netflix series, “Zero Day,” to be woke garbage, especially since De Niro has an extreme case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. But Glenn watched the show and came to a shocking conclusion: The show’s message is surprisingly … conservative? Glenn breaks down the series and why he believes that De Niro’s character in “Zero Day” and Donald Trump share the same villains and solution. So, where’s the divide?

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GLENN: I watched -- and so you know, I watched this, so you didn't have to.

The new -- oh. He was -- he was raging bull. Robert De Niro. I watched the new Robert De Niro series. It was like six episodes. And he plays a former president.

And, you know, it's zero day. And all of the, you know, lights and communications and everything go out for a minute.

And killed all these people. And airplanes crashed out of the sky. And what happened?

And he's got a commission now from the new president to be. Because he's the most trusted guy in the world.

He's so credible. And he's got to figure out -- will he figure out in time?

And so I watched this thing. Because I really want to understand, Robert De Niro. I think the guy has lost it.

Wouldn't you agree? I mean, I think the guy has really, truly gone over the edge on his Trump Derangement Syndrome, you know.

STU: Yeah, definitely on that front.

He's a great actor, but he's never been right on politics. He does seem to have gone to a new level.

GLENN: Just a new level on this stuff.

And I would really like to understand. And so I saw this, and I thought, oh, I have to watch this, because nobody in the audience will. Because it's Robert De Niro.

But I'll watch it, because you want to understand I figured, this was a message film. And it is. It is.

STU: It is. Shocking.

GLENN: Yeah. I know.

And so I wanted to know what the message was. And I get to the end of it. And he gives this long speech. And, yes, I am going to spoil the ending.

Because you will not watch it.

STU: This is good. This is encouraging. You're giving a spoiler alert.

Before you say the ending of the movie, and ruin it for everyone.

You actually tell everyone, this is how you are supposed to do it.

The Hall of Fame is kicking in.

GLENN: You're right. And so you're watching this movie. And at first, he's given this commission, which they suspended the Constitution. Okay?

For this committee. Habeas corpus. He can scoop up anyone he wants. He can question them without lawyers. Use enhanced interrogation. Whatever he wants.

He's put on the committee as the head of it. Because he would never do those things. Then he does all of those things. He puts a plastic bag over somebody's head as he's questioning them, and he's supposedly the good guy here.

And I'm like, okay. Bob, I don't know what the narrative is on this one.

Unless I'm supposed to hate your character. Because I don't agree with that.

And he eventually comes to the conclusion, hey. Maybe we shouldn't have done -- good for you. Good for you.

But at the end, he gives this speech. He finds out who was responsible for it. And it was surprise, surprise, big tech.

But big tech in cahoots with big money, and people on both sides of the aisle, in Washington, DC. That just think that there has to be a unifying moment. To stop all these crazies, at the fringes.

And it's these -- you know, big kind of Deep State people.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: That think that they should control everything. And if they could just get this to wake people up. Then they could pass this bill, that gives them extraordinary powers. And then they can fix the country.

And I'm thinking to myself, okay.

I think Bob, that we agree on the bad guy here. Because that's what's happening.

People on both sides of the aisle, have gone into this Deep State thing. They think they know better that be the average person. They know better that night Constitution. Am I right on this so far?

Right? Isn't that what's happening? Isn't that what we're against?

STU: Right!

GLENN: Right. And then he starts -- he's being told, look, don't. You're going to expose this. It's only going to cause more problems.

Just let these people resign and go away. And at first, he says, okay. And I thought, that can't be the ending here. Because that can't be the ending.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: And in the end, again, I'm going to wreck it. But you don't want to watch a Robert De Niro movie. Or series. My God. It took me six hours to go through this thing. My wife was away. So it was me and the dog. And Bob De Niro.

So I'm watching this thing. And at the end, he says, no. You know what will he'll us, is transparency.

And knowing who the bad guys are, and the good guys. And so here are the bad guys.

And he's standing in the joint session of Congress, and he says, the guy behind the Speaker of the House. He's one of the bad guys. And he everybody goes, whoa! And people on this side of the aisle, and that side of the aisle.

And he starts naming names. And I'm like, Bob! I don't know why you're crazy. I really don't know what you're so upset about because that's -- if that's what the left feels like, that's what the right feels like too! You know, that's kind of like where we're, hey. Kash Patel, go in!

Release the secrets. Stop the -- give us transparency. Radical transparency. It's the only thing that's going to heal us.

STU: It's interesting. I mean, I think part of it is everyone wants to see themselves as Jimmy Stewart.

The reason why that movie connected with so many people. Everyone has that vibe, right?

Everyone thinks that who they are. It's like when we say all the time. How can you think that going against the machine means going against the Republicans who were completely out of power? Going back a couple of years.

Of course, what do you mean? When you're going against the machine.

You should be standing up against the machine!

Who was in Washington. And they're mainly all Democrats. I don't understand how you don't see that. They never do. Because no one wants to see themselves as working with the machine.

GLENN: But I think it's more than that.

STU: I do too.

GLENN: I think blindness because of their hatred of Donald Trump. And look, you could say, Donald Trump is going to turn into a dictator.

Well, maybe. I don't have your crystal ball. All right? Maybe. I don't think so.

STU: I hope not.

GLENN: I don't think so. He says a lot of things. It's Donald Trump, that you should not take seriously. But you -- you want to understand that he means direction. Right?

Isn't that the seriously --

STU: Literally.

GLENN: You don't want to take it literally.

You want to take it seriously. Got it?

So he says a lot of things. No. He's not going to go in and shut down the press.

However, will he go out and expose everything?

Yeah. And, yeah. Does he like the right?

No!

No!

Did you see him speak at CPAC?

He was like, we're not really conservative.

We're common sense.

That kind of bothered me. Because, no. I'm a conservative.

It means conserving the things that our Founders put together. Then I'm a conservative. But I don't know how he defines it, in that moment.

But I would -- I would consider that common sense as well. But I don't understand, how can people like Robert De Niro have all this hatred, when he's exposing all of this corruption?

Now, you can say, that's not enough to balance the budget. And you're right.

It's not!

But it's a good start. How -- how you could say, look, if people were doing things, that they weren't supposed to be doing, and funneling money, without the -- you know -- and is going to NGOs, to a political organization. Like the Tides Foundation.

I think those people should go to jail.

And I would say that if they were, you know, funneling that money to some Republican Tides Foundation.

STU: Yeah. I think a lot of it. You mentioned the Trump derangement syndrome.

I think a lot of this comes to, the opposition to Trump is essentially the main part of their identity at this point. Like, it's been -- it's been --

GLENN: It's who they are.

STU: Yeah. It's who they are. There's that book Atomic Habits. That is a big best-seller. And one of the things that it talks about in there, to not think about -- if you want to do something, you want to go and run a marathon one day. You have to go out there, and you have to take those first steps. You have to run a couple of times. You will probably feel bad the first time you run out there.

But one of the ways he talks about, thinking about it, is not thinking about it as I need to go out and run. I need to go out and run.

You have to think about it as, I'm a runner. And it becomes part of -- for example, your level of self-control, Sara, would you say minimal for Glenn. Would you say -- would you say it's impressive, in any way? No. Right? It's pathetic.

GLENN: It might have been this weekend, when my wife was gone. Might have been.

STU: We know that if we went to your home right now. There would be piles of Hostess wrappers around your television set.

GLENN: Well, no, she came back late last night, so those are all in the garage.

STU: Right. But however, there's one thing I know, you never, ever screw up on. Which is taking a drink.

I'm serious. You are a recovering alcoholic. It's how you describe yourself. It is your identity.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: It is part of it.

GLENN: No. It's part of it.

STU: It's part of your identity.

GLENN: The control against it.

STU: It is part --

GLENN: The disease does not define me.

STU: I'm not saying all of your identity. When it comes to alcohol consumption.

You don't get up every day and say, eh. I won't have a drink today.

You are a recovering alcoholic. You know you won't drink, and you don't let that enter into your mind, that there's any other option, except when I bring out a bottle and tempt you.

But other than that, generally speaking.

GLENN: And I'm for that. I'm for more of that. I love the smell of whiskey. It's a problem. It's a problem. You're making me want a drink.

STU: My point here is, you have that rule, it's not just some rule. Like, oh, when you used to say, I won't drink until 5 o'clock. That's a little rule you made for yourself.

GLENN: Correct.

STU: Now you never drink, you're a recovering alcoholic. It's something you're sober. You have been sober for this amount of time.

GLENN: I'm going to drink. If you don't get this back to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

STU: The point is, for a lot of these celebrities, opposition to Trump is the same as you're a recovering alcoholic. They just see it as a central part of their identity.

And if they are proven wrong, it not only overturns some point they made on television.

It overturns their identity when it comes to politics.

GLENN: Yeah. Because they don't -- they haven't allowed for any other option.

They haven't allowed for --

STU: Right.

GLENN: Look, I hated -- I mean, I didn't mind the Republican Party.

I thought the Republicans in this whole, you know, let's go march off to war and save the world, 30 years ago, I was all for that.

I was like, yeah, that's because we're right.

You got to leave an option, you know, a door open to new information, going, you know, I think I have to take the exit here.

STU: Yeah. Understand your fallibility.

We've made thousands of points about Donald Trump.

Some of them I think were really, really right. Some of them were wrong.

And we talked about those that were wrong. It's important to be able to allow yourself to understand, sometimes you're not right on something.

And it shouldn't be something that you possess and hold to your heart, like it's your religion.

That's where they are. Well, God is real. And if he's not, then my whole life dissolves. That's where they are with Trump. Trump is evil. Trump is Hitler. And if he's not Hitler, I -- my entire life has been a waste. That's how they think about it. And I don't think they can come out and understand --

GLENN: I really -- I saw that movie. And I thought, you know, I would have to hit them with a tranquilizer dart first, but I would love to sit down and talk to him.

Because I'm like, I don't understand what you have a problem with. Because I'm for all of those things that you have in the movie. I'm for all of those things, that I think you were trying to preach as your message. I don't get it, Bob. I mean --

STU: He would have a really dumb response too.

GLENN: Yeah. It's not worth having that conversation. Because it wouldn't be an honest one.

The Book of Enoch: Did Extraterrestrial Beings DESCEND in the Days of Noah?!

The Book of Enoch tells a story the Bible only hints at: A story of heavenly beings who descended to Earth, took human wives, created hybrid giants, and unleashed forbidden knowledge that corrupted the world before the Flood. Glenn Beck and researcher Timothy Alberino break down how the ancient Hebrew worldview explains the Watchers, the Nephilim, the origins of demigod myths, and why Peter and Jude referenced Enoch directly in the New Testament. From extraterrestrial terms in Scripture to the cosmic “family of God” and the divine rebellion that reshaped human history, this discussion reveals a forgotten narrative that once defined early Jewish and Christian theology. What really happened in the days of Noah, and why does it matter now?

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Cracker Barrel CEO breaks silence on logo controversy in exclusive interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

Democrats' latest attempt to tie Trump to Epstein scandal falls flat

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.