RADIOJuly 15, 2022

Did the far-left COVER UP this AWFUL crime to push abortion?

While speaking about abortion access last week, President Biden told the story of a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who was forced to travel across state lines to receive an abortion after a horrific sexual assault. But we now know there’s MUCH more to the story that the far-left likely never wanted you to know. Glenn is joined by investigative journalist Megan Fox, who provides details that suggest the unimaginable: The far-left may have COVERED UP the truth in order to push their pro-abortion agenda. There are still several details yet to be released, Glenn says, but it is TIME FOR ANSWERS.

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: But let's start with the rapist.

The rape of the 10-year-old girl that the president was speaking about, when he was talking about the dangers of Roe vs. Wade. He told the story about a 10-year-old girl in Ohio, that had to cross state lines into Indiana to be able to get an abortion, after she was raped. Now, that story didn't sit right, with people.

Because there were no names involved. And I'm not talking about the name of the 10-year-old. There was only one anonymous source.

And so people started, especially the people at PJ Media. Started asking the questions, well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. We need more than one source.

And so they went for criminal records. They wanted to see, if a rapist, had been charged in the state of Ohio. Raping a 10-year-old girl. Nope!

No record of it. Okay. So we go to police. Then we go to the state. And, in fact, the state of Ohio, the attorney general says, I don't know anything about this. This would be a very big thing, if there were a rapist of a 10-year-old girl. I don't know anything about. So there had been no charges filed. Nothing. Nothing.

Well, we find out now, that probably, the reason nothing was done, is because the rapist is an illegal alien. His name is Gershon Fuentes. He was arrested after police say he confessed to raping a child on multiple occasions. He's been charged now with rape.

And at first, the Columbus Dispatch said, yeah. He might be an illegal alien. Yeah. He is an illegal alien. He was in the US, unlawfully.

You know, he had been caught. He had been caught.

And they said, hey. You're not supposed to be here.

And he's like, what?

Me no speak English. And they said, well, here. Here's a paper. You've got to report back. And check in with us. Because we're going to -- and he said, oh, I speak that English, sure. I'll get in touch with you, wink, wink, nod, nod. He obviously didn't. So what happened? Apparently, this guy was working either near or, you know, at the child's house. We don't know all of the details yet. But here's -- here's what we do know, according to an Indianapolis obstetrician gynecologist.

She said she had spoken to a child abuse doctor in Ohio, in scant detail.

So this -- this gynecologist object stet transition meets with this girl. Now, here's the real problem. You -- you have to file a report. If you're a doctor, and you have a rape, especially of a child. You have to report it to the state. This doctor that seems to be the source of this story. This doctor didn't report it. It

Now, the state law says, could have an abortion. So why did this activist send this 10-year-old across state lines?

Now it's not only Ohio that is looking into that. It is also Indiana. Indiana is now looking into this doctor. And wondering why this doctor. Did send the child to Indiana. And not inform the police.

Well, we find out now, that the doctor is an abortion activist. Did this doctor, not report this rape to a child? And send this child unnecessarily across state lines, just to make the point and have the story that the president could give?

We don't have all of the details yet. But believe me, they will come out. You're probably not going to see this story in mainstream media. They report it on the rape of the 10-year-old, over and over and over again.

But now that we know, it's an illegal alien. Now we know the doctors is an activist. Now we know that the doctor didn't report the rape. We know that the doctor is a -- a -- an abortion activist. I doubt you'll be hearing much about this story, at least with the mainstream media.

Thanks to Megan Fox at PJ Media, she's the one who really was really relentless on this, and broke this story. So we're trying to get her on. She'll be on with us in about 15, 20 minutes. She'll give you the whole story.

This little girl. By the way, when the police finally found out about this rape, no thanks to the doctor, once they finally found out about this rape. They went in, and arrested the guy.

He -- let's see -- see if I can find this. She'll tell you this story.

The police department report, blah, blah, blah. The perpetrator may have actually been living with or at least near the victim until his arrest.

We don't know for sure, but the scene of the crime was Fuentes' apartment, and his lawyer told the judge at a hearing on Wednesday, that Fuentes had an address, where he could live, that was not the same location as the 10-year-old. Note the use of the word could.

The suspect could live separate from the victims. Okay. So wait a minute.

Was the 10-year-old child living in the same house with the rapist?

And how long was that going on, after she got her abortion. Was she going back to the rapist?

This is -- this is -- by the way, one other thing on the doctor, HIPAA. She didn't report it. She instead, reported it to the press.

She's now also being investigated in Ohio, for a violation of HIPAA. A 10-year-old. And tell me these people care.

PAT: Yeah. This douche bag is 27, by the way. Twenty-seven years old. Shouldn't be in the country at all. And people will say, well, there's plenty of rapists who are born and raised right here. Yeah, this one wasn't. This didn't need to happen. We don't need other people's rapists as well as our own. We don't need that.

And so, this thing is a mess, and I think you're right. It's even worse than if it hadn't happened at all. Despicable. Despicable.

GLENN: Yeah, because now it shows the complete act of compassion for the actual 10-year-old.

PAT: Uh-huh. They don't care.

GLENN: They were using this 10-year-old. They didn't care. They tried to make it look like, oh, they were so compassionate. Think about this 10-year-old. As Joe Biden said, can you imagine think that 10-year-old? Can you imagine being that 10-year-old, and realize that your continued rape was used by the president, and they did nothing. They did nothing. They sent you across state lines, to have a procedure done, that should have, could have been done in Ohio.

I mean, I think most Americans agree with life of the mother, rape or incest. You can -- you can split hairs on this. And it gets down to a very narrow group of people. I am for those exceptions, if they're legitimate, and I feel bad about it. I shouldn't be for those exceptions, I think. But I just can't do it myself. I couldn't imagine saying to my daughter, who had been raped, you know, hey, this is the decision, it's the only decision. I just can't imagine.

PAT: And especially when it's a 10-year-old. You can't ask a 10-year-old to carry a baby to term. Right? I mean, I don't think I could do that.

GLENN: No. Yeah. So here we are with a 10-year-old, where everybody agrees, and the state of Ohio also has those exceptions. And these monsters -- these absolute monsters don't report the rape, then they go out and give all this information to the press and to the president. When I say all this information, I mean just about the kid having to go across state lines, which is a lie. We are dealing with such evil. Such evil. But it makes sense. I don't know if you know the history of abortion. That there is a birth of abortion. Modern day excuses on abortion. And I'll give it to you here in 60 seconds. Stand by.

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GLENN: It was the Marquis de Sade. Is that right? Is that how you pronounce it? Pat, I know you took some French. S-A-D-E.

PAT: Marquis de Sade.

GLENN: Yeah. Marquis de Sade. He was a really nasty, cruel, and proudly deviant. He did not believe in God. And he used his godless hypothesis, to reach the most radical conclusions. He is the father of sadomasochism.

The marquee preached pleasure as the ultimate value. He said, I have -- listen to this. This is a quote. I have destroyed everything in my heart, that might have interfered with my pleasure.

And destroy he did. Not only in his own heart, but in others. He was notorious for picking up prostitutes, imprisoning them, and then violently raping and torturing them. He was so depraved, that even the French thought, okay. This guy is really spooky.

They had him locked away. While he was in prison, he wrote a how-to book for the West. Using fiction to instruct his readers on how they could become sexually depraved and like it. His books were generally considered graphically, and repulsively considered pornographic. But Wikipedia said, they're now considered sociopolitical dramas. Oh!

So one of his most popular works is the philosophy of the bedroom. And this is what this evil dude wrote. It is impossible to demand of any individual, that he become a father or a mother against his will. We are currently the masters of this more sell of flesh.

However it be animated. As we are the -- as we are of the excrements that we eliminate through our bowels, because the one and the other are our own. And because we are absolute proprietors, of what emanates from us.

So he is saying, we take crap, and we have the power to do that. Because it's in my body. My body, my choice. He then writes, if however, the misfortune of pregnancy does occur, without yourself having been at fault. Without yourself being at fault.

That would be rape and incest. But if you were an active participant in it, you are at fault.

Notify me within the first seven or eight weeks. Even -- even the guy who started S and M said, you know, go to find the first seven and eight weeks. Because then it just gets crazy. Notify me in the first seven and eight weeks, and have it very neatly remedied.

Dread not infanticide. The crime is imaginary. We are always mistress of what we carry in our womb.

So what is he saying there? If you get pregnant, don't worry about it. We can just neatly get rid of it. It's just a clump of cells. There's no reason to feel bad about disposing of this. Well, this sounds almost exactly what Planned Parenthood uses on women.

This is the guy, who started the transition from abortion as an unspeakable act. To abortion as a social norm. By the way, I'm not the first person to say any of this. An article in the NIH is National Library of Medicine. Says the publishing of the philosophy of the bedroom is from where the medical and social acceptance of abortion can be dated.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: So the worst masochist. Sadomasochist. Is credited by the National Institute of Health. As the guy, who says, the medical and social acceptance came from there! Came from him!

He laughed in the face of God. He said, the imbeciles who believed in God, persuaded that immediately an embryo begins to mature, a little soul emanation of God, comes straight away to animated these fools, he said. Because there is no God. So there is no value to life. Thus, life is really valueless. He destroyed in his heart, what inhibited his pleasure.

So destroy the idea that that is a child in there. So you can continue to do whatever you want.

It's your right to destroy what inhibits you.

Just this week, they were having a conversation about the value of life. They wouldn't say that the baby had any value.

Because the mothers choice of whatever she wanted to do. That's paramount.

She has the right to destroy what inhibits them.

We really need to understand, how monstrous this is. What a monster, it was, that made this popular. And what monsters we're becoming. Back in a minute.
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GLENN: The author of the book, Believe Evidence an investigative journalist for PJ Media, Megan Fox joins us now. Megan is really the woman that took it upon herself to find out the story of this 10-year-old victim of rape. That had at that at first we thought might be a hoax. That would have become a dream come true, if our president were only lying about it. As she found out, the story is much, much darker. Welcome to the program. Hi, Megan.

MEGAN: Hi, Glenn. What a fun surprise to remember from you this morning. Thank you for having me.

GLENN: Oh, well, thank you so much for the hard work. I mean, this had to be agonizing, confusing, and at the end, just depressing on what has gone on in the state of Ohio, with this -- with this poor 10-year-old girl.

MEGAN: Yeah. It has -- it has been. And, in fact, I had no idea that this story was as huge as it really is.

It would have been much better had they been making it up. My brain didn't even go to, they're using a real victim, to push a pro-Roe agenda.

I didn't even go there. Because that was too awful to consider, and yet, here we are. And what I considered, when I saw this one source, poorly sourced, poorly vetted story in the Indianapolis star was, there's something else here. No one cares about a rapist who is on the loose, apparently, in Ohio. And why aren't we asking those questions? Why aren't we asking, who raped this child, and can we get him prosecuted? Can we get him arrested?

And you know what really bothers me, and what question is still out there, top of my list is, well, there's two. One, why did the police in Columbus tell the Washington Post, Glenn Kessler, there was no report. They also told the attorney general, there was no report. So then the attorney general goes on Fox News on Monday, and says, I can't find a report. And on Tuesday, they have an arrest?

There was a report, Glenn. It was put in on June 22nd. So who was keeping it from the press and the -- the attorney general?

GLENN: So wait. Oh, my gosh. So this is a bit deeper now.

So now we think, not only was the doctor violating HIPAA. Lying to the child and saying, you have to go to another state. And unnecessarily sending him to another state.

Did the -- did the doctor report the crime? And if so, then the police investigated, but didn't arrest the guy, and the police are involved in the cover-up?

MEGAN: Well, I don't know. We can't get answers from the police, Glenn. They won't talk. So I put in a FOIA, last week to the Columbus police, asking for this very case. Do you have an investigation that involves a 10-year-old being raped?

They did not respond to me. But Glenn Kessler got them on the phone. And they told him no. The attorney general -- general -- attorney general Yost of Ohio, asked around to all his prosecutors and sheriffs. They told him, there was no report.

And then -- now, we have the report. I have it on my desk. And the police have this since June 22. June 22nd. So they have -- they knew about this rape. And they didn't arrest this guy until the 12th. After the Fox News blitz. I just find the timing highly suspicious. And I want to know how the investigation went. And that's what I'm still digging into. Now, I don't know if Caitlin Bernard. I don't know if she reported to the Indianapolis Police, her mandated report.

That's another FOIA that I have, that's waiting to be returned by Indiana government. So they haven't confirmed that. Maybe she did. It appears according to the investigation, that she cooperated in some way. Because they did get the fetal remains for DNA testing. So that means, she had to either have been given a warrant for that. Or she voluntarily provided it. I don't know.

She won't answer my question. When I asked about these directly, yesterday. She sent me a link to the Columbus Dispatch article, that just details the arrest of this guy. She still won't answer directly, what role she had, in helping this investigation or not.

GLENN: Who gave this story to the left?

MEGAN: That is a very good question. And I also have questions about why the only reporter in the courtroom yesterday. For the arraignment of the illegal alien, who raped this child, more than once, and impregnated her, was a reporter from a Ghanic (phonetic) corporation media conglomerate. That's the same conglomerate that owns the Indianapolis Star. Why are they the only people who had any access to any of this information. And when the Washington Post tried to reach out to get them to corroborate their story, they wouldn't -- they said that their reporting was clear.

But it wasn't clear. They had a one source story, with no backing, documentation. No mention of a police report. And now, the only reporter, that was tipped off, to the courtroom proceeding yesterday, was somebody at their company.

That's interesting.

GLENN: Mention, boy, this is -- this is a story, that when you're done with, you should get a Pulitzer. You won't. But you should get a Pulitzer for.

When you -- when you're looking at this story -- first of all, did -- did the girl cross state lines, into Indiana? She did, to have that abortion, correct?

MEGAN: Yes. And we need to know why. Because Ohio would have allowed that abortion. I've read the law. I've had it confirmed by Ohio legal analysts. Attorney general himself has confirmed it.

The emergency section of the law specifically says, that this physician can make a good-faith judgment on the life and safety. Health and safety, in an emergency situation. And this clearly, clearly would be -- would fall under that category. So we need to know why.

GLENN: Correct.

MEGAN: She was refrain Ohio to Indiana. Was it for the story? That's my guess. My guess is -- and this is just a guess. This is what journalists do. You know, I'm getting a lot of flak for, oh, you thought it was a hoax.

It is a hoax. There's something wrong here. And if you can't see it, I'm trying to point it out. This whole thing, this story was not, that Roe was somehow, causing little girls to be denied abortions. Because she would never have been denied an abortion in Ohio. The story is that illegal aliens are raping kids. And all the left cares about is that they can get abortion.

That's insane.

GLENN: So we know that this -- this doctor, that the girl apparently went to first. She's an activist. An abortion activist. Right?

MEGAN: Actually, she's the second doctor. We don't know who the first doctor is. The girl went to a doctor in Ohio. There was a consultations that happened in Ohio. After the police were informed. So the police get informed on the 22nd. The family takes the child to a Ohio doctor, on the 28th, or 29th. That doctor consults with the family, and then calls Dr. Bernard. Well, we don't know who that doctor is. They won't be release the name. So I also can't check to see if the doctor made a mandated report. It doesn't matter, I don't think, if that doctor is not aware, that doctor has to make a report. She called Caitlin Bernard, or he. I don't know who the doctor is. Called Caitlin Bernard. Bernard then arranged for the child to come to Indianapolis, have the abortion there.

The police were then given, or obtained somehow. Because it's not clear how.

The DNA from the fetal remains. Then they're now checking that with the arrestee, who they say confessed.

And they're checking that against him. And also, the siblings. I guess they're just trying to rule out the siblings. I can't figure out why they would test it against the siblings, unless they would want to rule it out.

GLENN: We -- we also have a situation that seemed pretty fuzzy yesterday. Where the guy who was arrested, his attorney, said he does have a place where he could live. Away from the victim. So was he living with the victim, up until what, yesterday? Day before?

MEGAN: Yeah. That hasn't been confirmed, but it sure sounds like it. Because if during the -- there is somewhere, you should let him out on bond. Because we can put him somewhere, that is not with the child. Does seem to suggest that he was living in the same -- at the same house. I don't know. Maybe it was an apartment.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Hold it. I need to understand this.

The police were notified, that there had been a rape of a 10-year-old. She goes across state lines. She has an abortion. It is reported by the president, in a campaign, to say how evil the Supreme Court is.

At the same time he's doing that, the police have not arrested a guy. In fact, released him back possibly into the same home, with the 10-year-old victim. Do I have that right?

MEGAN: Yes. Now, let's -- let's -- let's also say this though. Here's one more detail that was in the court records. Let's give the police the benefit of the doubt, that they did not know who the rapist was on the 22nd. The details of -- the details of the report say that on July 6th, is when the child told the police, that this is the person who did it.

So we don't know if anybody else told them before July 6. But the child told them on July 6th. But that still leaves six whole days, when there was not an arrest. After the police knew, that this was the rapist. So there are questions, here, Glenn. Questions that should be answered. Questions the press should have asked in the beginning. This was never about, can a 10-year-old get an abortion?

It is about, who raped a 10-year-old child. For God's sake!

Why do I have to do this work, Glenn, for the media? Why do I have to say, me, an independent journalist out here, who nobody returns my phone calls. You know, when the Washington Post calls the Columbus police, they pick up the phone. They don't do that for me. So, you know, people like ABC and NBC and Indianapolis Star. They have so much more clout with getting answers than I do. I'm out here struggling on my own, to try and get these answers.

I did the media to remember what their job is. I reminds them, that they did no legwork on this story. And as soon as they figured out, that they were being embarrassed on a national stage, they suddenly did their job. And guess what happened? Now there's a rapist behind bars. That's what should have happened in the very first reporting of this story.

GLENN: It should have happened before the girl had an abortion, even. I mean, that seemed to me, to be the priority. Stop the rapist. Now, make sure the girl is safe. And then, let's carry out the procedure. The abortion, on this 10-year-old. I mean, it's insane. Will you do me a favor, Megan?

I'm kind of well-known in Ohio. If you don't get somebody returning your phone calls, will you let me know? Because I can guarantee you, they will return your phone calls, if they know I'm about to explain to all of Ohio and America, who is not picking up their phone. Would you allow me to help you with that?

MEGAN: Well, it's the Columbus police Cannon now that won't be respond to my FOIAs.

GLENN: Won't respond to your FOIA. Wow. That's interesting. Who is it that you're dealing with there?

MEGAN: Well, they just make you send an email to their -- you know, it's like a request email line. It's no particular person.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MEGAN: And like -- it goes to the public records officer. Or whatever. But that's --

GLENN: Will you do me a favor? Get me the name of the public records officer, and get me the name of the chief of police, and we'll -- and we'll make sure somebody is returning your phone call. Will you do that for me?

MEGAN: Glenn, I appreciate that.

GLENN: You know, hang up the phone --

MEGAN: I will. But one more thing. Columbus -- this is very important.

GLENN: Yeah.

MEGAN: Columbus is a sanctuary city. Is this problem with the police not communicating and the arrests not being made until this huge national, you know, blitz went on. Is that because they weren't going to do anything about this? Because they couldn't hold a guy, because they don't honor ICE holds, because it's a sanctuary city? There's a much bigger story here, Glenn. And I would love your help getting to the bottom of it. Because I need all the help I can get.

GLENN: You do anything -- anything you need from me, you have. And I don't need -- you -- whatever I can do. Off-air. On-air. To help. You'll get to the bottom of the story. You will. Don't give up. Thank you so much, Megan. You bet.

And thank you to everyone from PJ Media for the fine work they're doing there. And Columbus. And Columbus police. You're on -- you're on notice. I think we have a few Ohio listeners, that would like to know, what the hell is going on. In their own community.

And you might want to -- I mean, I'll give you some people to call here, shortly, but you might, if you're listening in the -- and you're in Columbus, and you work for the police.

You might want to call, and say, hey. We should call Megan Fox back. Before -- before just whoop ass is opened up.

Meta’s AI “Friends” Nightmare: How Zuckerberg’s Latest Move Could Enslave Your Mind

Meta and Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg has a new goal: to give lonely Americans AI “friends.” But Glenn sounds the alarm: this must NEVER happen! Glenn explains the hidden danger in Zuckerberg’s seemingly kindhearted plan: “AI cannot, must not, and will never be your friend.” Opening that door will only give Meta insane levels of potential for manipulation and control over you.

Transcript

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GLENN: Let's start with this: Mark Zuckerberg. Good guy. I mean, he brought us Facebook.

And, you know, that is the thing that brought all of us together.

Brought out families together. All the people that we lost touch with.

Oh, the world is so much better now that we have Facebook.

So now, he's got another idea. Could we play the clip of Mark Zuckerberg?

VOICE: There's a stat that I honestly think is crazy. The average American has I think it's fewer than three friends. Three people they consider friends. And the average person has demand for meaningfully more. I think it's 15 friends or something.

I guess there's probably at some point, I'm too busy. I can't deal with more people. But the average person wants more connectivity, connection than they have. So, you know, there's a lot of questions that people ask.

Of stuff like, okay. Is this going to replace kind of in person connections or real life connections?

And my default is that the answer to that is probably no.

I think it -- it -- I think that there are all these things that are better kind of about physical connections, when you can have them.

But the reality is that people just don't have the connection when they feel more alone, a lot of the time, than they would like.

GLENN: Hmm. True.

Now, let me ask you. Is there a time when you don't remember feeling so isolated? When you didn't really feel like I don't have any real friends?

When you didn't -- you had real connections with people, instead of a million connections with people that are your friends, but not really your friends?

Can you think of a time, way back in history?

I mean, probably have to go back to the cavemen, to find a time.

Oh. Before Facebook, and social media!

When we weren't all killing ourself, because we have no meaning.

Now, from the people who brought you kill yourself, because you've been on Facebook too much.

Brings you new AI friends. Oh, this is going to be good.

By the way, you know, that's a crazy stat, I think the average American has, what? Three friends. And they have a capacity for, I don't know. Fifteen or 20. I don't know.

Really think about it right now.

How many true friends, do you have?

How many true friends?

People that when you are down and out, there is nothing -- the whole world is against you!

That that person will actually stand by your side. And go, yeah.

I'm their friend.

And I don't care what you say.

How many? How many do you have?

I think I would count myself lucky if I have three.

Now, I have a lot of consequences.

I have a lot of people who we all think are friends. But as a recovering alcoholic, I've been there.

I've done that. As a recovering alcoholic,
who then also is a conservative and spoke out about the Obama administration, I know who my friends are.
I know who my friends are not.

And I think there's a lot of people that have counterfeit friends.

If you've got. Oh, I've got ten or 15 friends.

Eh.

No, you don't. No, you don't.

I've always grown up thinking, you're lucky, you're lucky, to have three, five, really good friends.

That will walk through anything with you. Do you agree with that, Stu?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: You've never been there.

STU: For you? Oh, God no. But I'm just saying, generally speaking. No. I think -- I mean, you're describing a great friend. You're describing a really --

GLENN: A real friend.

STU: Yeah. Like someone you know and stick around for multiple decades.

GLENN: Yeah, I have lots of friends. You know what I mean? I have millions of Facebook friends.

STU: Right. Those aren't real.

GLENN: Right. And I have lots of friends. But the ones that are there for you always, no matter what, I have family.

And I have family.

STU: Right.

GLENN: And I have a handful of friends. I would consider you one of those.

STU: Thank you. I would as well.

GLENN: Why?

Remember, I have a drinking problem.

STU: Yeah. A lot of brain cells killed to make that decision.

But I think that you -- yes. I think the only thing that I think I'm drilling down a little bit on to try to understand. When you say, well, I have a lot of friends.

In a way, I think that's what Zuckerberg is talking about.

It's not even necessarily a great friend that you have for multiple decades. And can count on at any time.

Just the mid-level consequences, are drying up for a lot of people.

GLENN: Yeah. And why is that?

Why is that?

Because we don't talk to each other anymore.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Because of social media.

You know, when this generation says, I don't know.

I just think it's weird. I'm just now in a bar someplace.

And some stranger comes up to me and wants to strike up a conversation. I'm like, hello, weirdo. I don't know!

You think it's less weird to go online?
When people can fake everything!

Thank you, Mark Zuckerberg.

But no thanks. Okay.

STU: And they're just -- to build up on this point for one second.

There's a study that came out, the last 20 years, of how much time do you spend socializing with the people.

Again, that's not with your best friends.

This is just socializing with anyone, a human.

Every single group. Every single group has massive drops.

GLENN: Massive.

STU: Massive drops. Just give you some examples.

Ages. Fifteen to 24-year-olds. Thirty-five-point down.

In 20 years. 35 percent. So a typical 15-year-old, as compared to what they are, in 2003 and 2025, where were the two measurement years?

They're spending 35 percent less time, with other human beings.

GLENN: Okay. Hang on just a second. Can you please stop distracting me? Because I'm trying to figure out why our kids are killing themselves.

STU: No, it's really hard.

GLENN: It's very hard to figure out.

STU: To understand.

And this is the coup de grâce of this entire study, which is, the typical female pet owner spends more time actively engaged with her pet, than she spends face-to-face contact with her friends of her own species.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: That is unbelievable -- not like you're in the same house as your cat.

Right? No. More face-to-face time with your cat!

GLENN: And I've got news for you. If you think your cat is your friend, wait until you die, and your cat is trapped in the house with you and you have no friends to check. They will eat your face.

STU: They will still have a use for you.

GLENN: Yeah. They will have a use foy.

STU: Not the other way around.

GLENN: Okay. Here's why I'm bringing this up today.

This is a lie, that is going to be sold to you, like crazy. And it's going to be wrapped in a beautiful, shiny package. And it's going to have from Mark Zuckerberg and others like him, on the tag.

They want you to believe, that AI and bots can be your friends.

Will the Conclave Elect a RADICAL Pope to Follow Francis?

The Conclave to elect the Catholic Church’s next Pope has begun. But will the next Pope be “conservative” and orthodox, will he follow in Pope Francis’ footsteps and be more friendly to leftist and globalist ideas, or will he be an “anti-Pope,” as some Catholics are claiming Francis was? Glenn speaks with LifeSiteNews co-founder and CEO, John-Henry Westen, who reviews the most likely candidates for the papacy and why he believes the “anti-Pope” claims against Francis are not ungrounded.

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Did the New York Times Just Admit It Curates Your Truth?

A recent New York Times hit piece is a perfect example of why many Americans no longer trust the newspaper. Glenn compares the piece, which criticizes “The MartyrMade Podcast” host Darryl Cooper’s revisionist history, with the New York Times’ own “1619 Project,” written by Nikole Hannah Jones. Glenn disagrees with both people about major historical events. But the Times, with its elitist hypocrisy, pushed Jones’ attempt to frame America as a racist nation since its inception as unquestionable truth. “I’m not defending [Cooper or Jones],” Glenn says. “I’m defending the idea that We the People decide what’s true, and that takes work and curiosity…The minute you let somebody else decide what you’re allowed to hear, you have already surrendered your freedom to think.”

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GLENN: I want to take on something else that I don't know. Maybe I should just keep my big, fat mouth shut.

Because I think this one will piss off everybody. But it's the truth. There was a story in the New York Times. The podcaster asking for you to side with history's villains. It was in the New York Times. Let me read something.

Darryl Cooper is no scholar. But legions of fans, many on the right, can't seem to resist what he presents as hidden truths.

All of a sudden, everyone was coming for Darryl Cooper. There were the newspaper columnists. The historians. The Jewish groups. Repugnant says the chairman of Yadveshev (phonetic), Israel's Holocaust museum in a statement.

Even the Biden White House released a statement, calling him a Holocaust denier who spreads Nazi propaganda. So it was for a time for Mr. Cooper. One of the most popular podcaster in the country, to do what he does best. Hit record.

In a special on his history program, Martyr Made. Mr. Cooper addressed the controversy, which had exploded out of September 2nd appearance on the Tucker Carlson Show.

The podcast started by the former Fox News host. At first, Mr. Cooper, a gifted historic storyteller, but not a trained historian, defended the claims he had made on Mr. Carlsen's show. One that Winston Churchill was the chief villain of the war. Ridiculous. Not by implication. Adolf Hitler.

The two -- and two, that millions had died in Nazi-controlled Eastern Europe because Nazis had not adequately planned to feed them. Okay. Not true.

He then said, the story goes on to say, I don't know if we retracted some of that stuff. This emotional ventriloquism is part of Mr. Cooper's approach and appeal. On TikTok, a fan praised him as one of the best historians of our time, because he tries to go out of his way, to understand the perspective of everyone involved in a situation.

These critics have probably helped make Mr. Cooper bigger than ever. He's been the most subscribed to history newsletter on Substak. One spot ahead of the evident economic historian, Adam HEP Toos in the wake of the Rogan interview. Martyrmade. Blah, blah, blah.

Okay. So they go on and on and on. To talk about how this just can't stand. I mean, we've got to -- there's got to be some sort of filter. And, you know, Joe Rogan just can't have on, whoever he wants to have on. That's the problem!

Is it? New York Times. Is that the problem?

Hmm, that's really interesting.

Now, let me just look and -- and let me just look in the past here, and see if we've had this exact same problem, with anybody else. Because the person that came to mind was not Darryl Cooper, but Nicole Hannah Jones. Because I think those two are the same coin, and the coin is counterfeit.

Just opposite sides of the same coin. The martyr made podcast spins a tale of grievance and distrust. And it's wrapped in enough fact to keep it plausible.

But there are some facts in there. Okay.

Jones, she did the 1619 Project.

She did the same thing in reverse. Except, I think she's actually worse.

I mean, because I think she made up almost everything in that. She recasts American history. As racist from the very inception of the country.

Neither one of them is telling the whole truth. Neither one of them. Neither wants to, I think. They're both in the business of narrative, and not history.

So am I. But I tried to be fair.

The real problem is not these two.

Honestly, it's the New York Times.

Because in their Sunday styles, write-up on Cooper.

The Times poses as a concerned observer.

Wary of growing influence among the disaffected right.

Why are we disaffected. Why is the right disaffected?

We're disaffected because you have tried to take our country from us.

Everything that we believe. Our history.

Our values. Our traditions. And you've tried to denigrate them. And destroy them, every step of the way.

And you've done them with one lie, right after another.

Okay?

Why are they framing him. Not with facts. But with suspicion.

Not because he's -- dishonest or not dishonest. But because he's popular. They clutch their pearls, because he has an audience. And only the New York Times can have that you audience.

But where that was concern, when they did -- when they gave an audience to Nicole Hannah Jones.

And gave her a Pulitzer for a project now so discredited by the very historians that are now talking about Cooper!

Where was the caution when they declared that 1619, not 1776, was the true founding of the nation? They didn't question her authority. They didn't say, well, she's not a historian. They printed it. In fact, they taught it, and endorsed it. They platformed it in schools!

That's different than anything that Joe Rogan is doing. They platformed it in schools.

So let's be clear. Okay?

I think both Cooper and Jones are wrong.

They may have points worth considering.

But I think that they get it fundamentally wrong, in a few places.

They are looking at facts to sell the story.

And not necessarily reveal the truth.

Now, maybe I'm being too cynical.

But that's the way I see it. And I'm not condemning either one.

I'm condemning all of those on the left, or the right, that are now doing the same thing that the New York Times did with -- with Cooper, but didn't do with Anna Nicole Jones. Only one of those two was lauded by the New York Times, as legitimate. And a necessary corrective, even though, it was all a lie! Made up!

So that's what -- when I'm -- I'm reading that op-ed in the New York Times.

I can't take the -- oh, my gosh. The hypocritical nature of it. Just, blood shoots out of my eyes.

Because that's what the New York Times is actually saying. Don't you little people understand. We must decide what stories are acceptable. Not you!

Not somebody like Joe Rogan. We will decide. Which distortion are his virtuous and which ones are dangerous. Not you.

We get to choose the false prophets that get a column, which -- and which ones are called conspiracy theorists. We, at the New York Times, we in the media!

And athat is the problem! This isn't about the authors. Okay. First Amendment gives him a right to say whatever they want.

You may not like. You don't like it, stop listening.

Well, but other people might listen. Yeah. Well, other people might listen.

Maybe we should pay more attention to our education in our schools. Maybe we should pay more attention, so we don't become somebody that is a dummy, themselves. And are -- because this is the problem!

We don't have a press that exposes lies anymore. We have a press that curates the lies.

I really think this is why I started collecting -- you know, we have now, the third largest collection of founding indictments, in the American journey experience.

Along with David Barton's wall builders.

It is -- it's only behind the national archives. And the library of Congress.

Most people don't know it. Because, you know, we don't talk about it yet.

Beginning in '26. We will be making a big deal out of it.

We also have the largest collection of pilgrim era artifacts and documents in the world.

The largest. So I can tell you what happened in Jamestown in 1619.

I can tell you this, the ship that Hannah HEP Nicole Jones talks about. There were no slaves on that ship.

How do I know?

We have the manifest!

No slaves. Hmm. That seems problematic, doesn't it?

And the Mayflower did not launch a system of slavery.

In fact, they fought against it.

We -- this is so crazy.

What the Pilgrims did against slavery was remarkable.

Remarkable. When a slave shipbuildingsly gave into their port, it was -- slavery was against the law. They called it man stealing.

It was against the law. As soon as the slave came into port. You could smell the slave ship. They knew exactly what it was. They marched and up arrested the captain of the ship.

They put anymore irons. And put him in jail.

And these people, who were already paying 15 percent of everything they make. These poor people.

15 percent of everything they make, to a king they can't be they despise. But they paid it, because they wanted to just stay alive.

They took up a collection from each other. Not outside. From each other.

Got a new captain. Refueled. Restocked the ship. And sent those people. Those slaves back to Africa, so they could be free!

That's who our pilgrims were. Don't believe me? You don't have to take my word for it.
We have the evidence. Please, you know, the longest running treaty with Native Americans happened with our Pilgrims. And you know who broke it? Not the white man. It was the Native Americans! And you know why?

Because after years and years of the Pilgrims and the Native Americans getting along, Christianity was starting to seep into their culture. And they needed to go to war with the tribe. And the war that the way they used to fight it, the Native Americans, it was okay to enslave your enemy.

In fact, you needed to.

You could torture them, after you won!

Just to make a point. And then you would enslave anybody you wanted.

And Christianity said, no. You can't do either one of those things.

And so the native Americans, that were part of this tribe, that were and friends under this treaty, with the Pilgrims. They started telling their chief. You know, we can't do these things.

And the chief got so pissed. Because he was like, we're fighting a war.

We fought it like they always fought it.

That they broke the treaty. Did you know that?

No. They were just horrible. We stole the land.

Ay-yi-yi. Did America live up to its ideals?

No! Has anybody, ever?

Have you? Has the pope? Has anybody really lived up to their ideals all the time?

No! But you have ideals, and that's what matters.

By the way, on the other side, I also happen to own a few original Nazi documents, from the actual perpetrators. I've got documents from the engineer that actually calculated how much Zyklon B it would take to murder a room full of Jews, okay?

It wasn't because they didn't want to -- they didn't have enough food.

This was calculated. I have the final prescription signed by Dr. Mengele, for a thousand liters of lumen that will for the so-called children's hospital. That's how the right was killing the undesirables in the children's hospital.

They didn't do it in a frenzy. It wasn't a riot. It wasn't out of desperation. It was silence out of lab coats, and beauracrats and experts signing off, and the press like the New York Times refusing to say a word about it. The scariest people are not the ones in the streets. They weren't. They were the ones with titles. With offices, with press credentials.

They were the ones with the doctorates.
They were the people who decided what could be published.

Who could be punished. What could be known? What could be said?

And that's the danger that we're staring down, right now. Not from cringe theorists on a podcast. Not even from overzealous academics with a Pulitzer.

But from the institutions that bless one distortion, and condemn the other.

Not based on truth. But based on usefulness.

Is it useful to our side?

I just want you to know. This is my stance on this. and make this very, very clear.

The First Amendment does not exist to protect comfortable speech. It doesn't exist to protect Cooper, as opposed to Jones. It exists to protect both of them!

It protects uncomfortable points of view.

Things you do not like to hear. And disagreement. It protects people who are absolutely wrong, and even those who are lying!

It protects the process, so you can figure it out. There is no licensed priesthood in our country.

You know, that are -- the priesthood of truth-tellers. No official ministry of facts.

That's where countries go wrong. The Times should be exposing both sides of these stories.

Just like I'm doing.

The distortions of the right, and the left.

But instead, they become exactly what they've warned us about.

A newspaper that prints dogma, and not dialogue.

And the real problem here: No.

The real solution here is you. Jefferson warned that a man who reads nothing but newspapers.
Sorry. A man who reads nothing is better informed than a man who only reads the newspaper. Okay? I would say, the newspaper is today's social media.

Man who reads nothing is more well-educated than a man who just only reads social media.

But today we might say, better to be ignorant than confidently misled by trusted media.

They see themselves not as a watch to go. But as a shepherd. And we are the sheep.

So I am not defending either one.

I am defending the idea that we, the people. Not the institutions. Not the elites. Not the New York Times.

Not Joe Rogan.

You decide what's true. And that takes work and that takes curiosity. Maybe the other guy is wrong.

I don't know. Maybe I don't have the whole story either. I don't know.

Look it up. Because the minute you let somebody else decide, what you're allowed to hear, you have already surrendered your freedom to think!

What Christian Movies Can Learn from Serial Killer Films

Christian movies can learn a whole lot from serial killer murder mysteries, The Daily Wire’s Andrew Klavan tells Glenn. While Christian films tend to have good messages, they don’t often touch on the dark realities of this fallen world we live in – realities that even the Bible addresses through the stories of Cain and Abel and many others. Instead, Klavan argues, he gets more biblical truths out of movies like “Halloween” and “The Silence of the Lambs” and books like “Crime and Punishment” than he does films like “God’s Not Dead.” Klavan tells Glenn how he finds God in the literature of darkness, a topic he further delves into in his new book, “The Kingdom of Cain.”

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GLENN: Andrew Klavan. Host of the Andrew Klavan program. The Andrew Klavan Show.

How are you, sir?

ANDREW: I'm good. Good to see you.

GLENN: Good to see you. I don't think I've seen you out of your element ever.

ANDREW: Yes, I've been many times to the studio.

GLENN: Have you? Well, they were memorable.

ANDREW: I get this reaction a lot.

GLENN: No. I just love you. I love you. And I got to tell you, the best compliment I could give you, your son is remarkable.

ANDREW: He is remarkable. He is.

GLENN: I hope some day, somebody will say that by my children. Really remarkable.

You and your wife are amazing parents.

ANDREW: Oh, well, thank you.

GLENN: So tell me about the Kingdom of Cain, and talk down to me.

ANDREW: It's a really simple book, and very entertaining, because it's about the movies that we all love.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. He says this. Let me read this to you, Stu, and see if you understand what this is.

STU: The Kingdom of Cain looks at three murders in history, including the first murder. Cain's killing of his brother Abel. And at the art created from imaginative engagement, from those horrific events by artists ranging from Dostoyevsky to Hitchcock. To make beauty out of the world, as it is shot through with evil and injustice and suffering. It is the task, not just of the artist, but Klavan argues of every life rightly lived.

Examining how the transformation occurs in art. Grants us a vision of how it could happen in our life. What is this about?

STU: I don't know what you're missing.

ANDREW: I will tell you, I'm a crime writer. Right? I get this letter all the time. Constantly. It says, you call yourself a Christian.

That part is true, and yet you write about horrific things. You right about murder.

Prostitutes and gangsters, and all this stuff.

Why do you do that?

And the reason is very simple. I believe that God is a central fact of reality. And I believe that any artist who speaks truthfully about reality, will speak about God.

And so what I did. I took three murders. Three very famous murders.

I showed how they inspired works of art. Over and over and over again.

They're -- not just one work of art. But they kept coming back, inspiring other works of art. And how those works of art actually speak about something, that happens to a society, when it begins to lose its faith. As our society has certainly done.

You know, and they chart those works of art, and some of them are like the stupidest little horror movie.

And yet, the guy who is making that horror movie understood what he was talking about.

And can show you. If you go back, for instance, and watch a slasher movie. Like Halloween, which is a very scary movie.

It's actually about the fall of the end of faith. And how it destroys sexual responsibilities.

So it takes place in the suburb. Have you seen it?

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Yeah. I have seen it.

ANDREW: Where there are no moms. And the dads are very weak.

And this knife-wielding crazy man comes back. And basically preys on kids having sex while nobody is watching.

And it's a very, very stark picture. I bet if you asked the director what he was doing, he would tell you that. It's right in the movie, when he see that. But you have to be watching this.

The thing is, these movies are -- not just movies. But novels.

The arts are -- really reveal the conscience of a culture.

GLENN: Yes.

ANDREW: And so taking the way they look at murder, tells us things that are bad about our culture.

But it also tells us about ways we want to go in the future.

The role, for instance, of psychiatrists in -- in these films.

Films. Most of these films are based on murder, committed by Ed Dean in the 1950s, a guy who was constant. Who used to kill women.

Right?

And then dress up in their bodies. Just like in Silence of the Lambs. That inspired Psycho.

It inspired a really good horror movie called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Even though it's a crazy title. It's actually a good movie. The Silence of the Lambs. All of these movies grow out of that one murder.

And what it's about? It's about confusion. It's about sexual. About gender. You know, we don't see that going around nowadays. In fact, it's everywhere. In fact, these movies were made in the 1950s, '60s, '70s, and '80s and on. And so they were predicting, as art often does, what was going to happen, and explaining why.

GLENN: So do you think Alford Hitchcock knew that this was coming? Or he was just a good storyteller?

ANDREW: You are a good story teller. Who was it? T. S. Eliot said a great poet writes himself, and in writing himself, he writes his time.

And I think that that's what happens. These artists basically bring something out of themselves. But it reveals where we are all are. And it reveals where we are going. If you see where we are, you can tell where we're going.

That's why the book does not just concentrate on the darkness. It actually says. What do you do?

How do you react? Now that you know what's happening. How do you react to those things in a creative, joyful way?

Because this is -- the Bible doesn't say things will be great. The Bible says. Yeah.

GLENN: That's not the main point.

ANDREW: Being crucified. And at the same time, it says, rejoice ever more.

GLENN: Right.

ANDREW: So one of the things that really bothers me about Christian movies.

Is they don't really represent life.

If you do a Christian movie, that has real things in it, you get slammed.

Why would you put it in?

Why was there sex? Why was there murder?

One of the major influences that turned me to Christ, when I was 19 years old. That took three decades to kick in.

But it was reading Crime and Punishment. About an axe murderer. And about a prostitute who basically turns this axe murderer's life around.

If you walked into a Christian bookstore today.

And say, can I have that book about the axe murderer and the hooker? Yeah, they would look at you like you were nuts. Because Dostoyevsky was a great artist and a great Christian.

One of the truly deep and interesting Christians in history.

He revealed something about the philosophies that were rising up at that time.

And that are still with us today. And the philosophies that later became spoken out by Nietzsche. And Nietzsche affected all of the leftist philosophers that you and I have loved so much. And have done so many good things for our survival.

GLENN: So let's pretend somebody didn't read that by Dostoyevsky or whatever his name is.

And tell us the story -- and tell us the story. And exactly what -- what he was teaching.

ANDREW: Well, the idea is God is dead.

And therefore, instead of having this horrible Christian philosophy. That is nice to the poor. And the weak, and has charity. And compassion.

We need strong special men. Like Napoleon, for instance. Who will make their own law.

And this man, in this story. Crime and Punishment says, well, if I can make my own law, I can murder somebody.

And it will be a sin. It won't be wrong.

And then he actually accomplishes this murder.

And finds a way. Oh, wait. I've actually shattered the moral order. And now my life is spiraling out of control.

Now, Nietzsche wrote his philosophy, which is the exact philosophy in his book.

After Dostoyevsky wrote the novel, and then his philosophy inspired two murderers in America, named Leopold and Lowe. This was called the crime of the century. The crime of the 20th century.

GLENN: I don't remember it.

ANDREW: I know, nobody remembers it now, but it was one of the biggest crimes of the century. It inspired countless movies and television shows.

It was two kids, they were -- they were rich, gay Jewish kids in the suburbs.

GLENN: What year?

ANDREW: This is 19 -- I want to say 30 -- 30 or 40.

GLENN: Okay.

ANDREW: Yeah. It was the '30s. I'm sorry.

And they decided, well, we're Superman. Like Nietzsche. They read Nietzsche. And they thought, yes. This is what we want to be.

One of them. We will commit the perfect murder, to show we could do it.

They took a kid at random, who they know, and killed them.

GLENN: This is Rope.

ANDREW: Exactly. Exactly. And Rope became the Hitchcock film. And also inspired Compulsion, which is another movie.

Almost a true movie about it. Pops up again and again.

Two people who said, we will commit the perfect murder. Because we're superior.

If you look for it, you will find it in one story after another.

And it's based on the idea, that there's no God. And therefore, anything is permissible, and strong men have to make the rules.

GLENN: That's one of the best movies out of Hitchcock.

Nobody even knows it. Great movie from Hitchcock. And great movie with Jimmy Stewart and just really -- and disturbing.

ANDREW: Yeah, and written -- the original play was written by the guy who also wrote a play called Gaslight, which is where we get the word gaslighting.

So I talk all about these works of art. These works and movies. And listen, I think it's an entertaining book, Glenn.

GLENN: I love your work. I love your work. Most people, if you don't know who Andrew Klavan is.

You've written movies. I mean, you've written just some thrilling novels.

And novels that have been made into movies. And I'm a huge, huge fan.

But, I mean, you know, you are talking to mice here.

ANDREW: I try to just make it about things that people like and enjoy.

GLENN: Yeah. So what is -- what is the lesson that we learn from -- from all of this?

ANDREW: Well, I think the most important lesson, if I can call it that, in the book. Is that the beauty has something to do with the answer to evil.

You know, one of the things that keeps people from believing in God. They say, there's so much evil in the world.

How can a good God, allow this evil to exist?

And at the end of the book, the last third of the book. Which is a very personal statement about what I do, to basically live joyfully in the world, that I can see is evil.

It ends with looking at the statue of Michelangelo. Which is one of the most beautiful works --

GLENN: Beautiful.

ANDREW: But it think about what it's about, Glenn. It's about a mother with her dead son. It is a world with a dead God. It's the worst movement in human history. And yet Michelangelo, a man, made it beautiful.

And my question at the end of the book, is if a man can take that misery, that suffering, that evil, and turn it into beauty, what can God do with the world that we're living in now?

When he works with the marvel of eternity. And so I work my way to that point, by going to the movies that we watch, the stories that we read.

And why we're so fascinated with murder.

You know, think about try crime. This is what this is about.

STU: Why are we?

ANDREW: Because it is the borderline, where you cannot say, there's something right about this.

It's the place where I suddenly realize that the moral order has its great points, but it also has a very stark --

GLENN: So explain to me. Explain to me why shows like, let's say.

Yellowstone.

Are so satisfying, because you're kind of like -- kind of like seeing that guy taking to the train station.

You know what I mean?

You know that it's wrong. But you're kind of in there. You're kind of like -- you know.

And you feel. At least I do. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watch. Yeah. That's fine.

I watch it. I don't like the fact that I kind of -- I'm rooting for them.

ANDREW: I think the best art does that to you. I really enjoy this. That actually tells me something about myself, that I don't want to think about.

GLENN: Yeah.

ANDREW: See, a lot of people think art is like a sugar pill, that they used to give you a little lesson in life. A little parable of sorts. I don't think that's what it is at all.

I think it's an experience that you really can't have in your life, that broadens the way you look at life. Broadens your view of humanity. So when you get Christian stories like God Is Not Dead. I don't want to pick on anybody.

GLENN: But you'll pick on them.

ANDREW: I will pick on them. The guy is hit by a car. He says, well, at least he was saved.

I think, really? We can't just say -- you can't call his wife say, and say, this is a sad moment. Let me grieve when people die? We can't say we're horrified by death and afraid?

So I want Christian art that deals with life in a real way.

And shows that people who are afraid. And people who have evil thoughts, and people who want to justify murder. And they -- there are moments when we all sort of think -- but if you go off into a room by yourself and ask, how can I make the perfect world?

Within two minutes, so help me.

You will be committing mass murder in your mind.

Let me see. Well, first, I have to go to rid of these people because these people can't be reformed. You'll wipe them out, right?

So that's who we all are.

When he start to see that. I believe that's actually a layer on top of who we really.

I believe who we really are is who Christ wants us to be. That's the question.

How do you get through that layer?

That's what artists do for us. They show us our true selves.

And lead our conscience to the place we're supposed to go.

GLENN: All right. Our natural soul is who Christ wants us to be.

ANDREW: Right.

GLENN: And we're encapsulated in this flesh. And the natural man is an enemy to that. And it's the battle back and forth.

ANDREW: And that's what art is. That battle. That's where drama comes from. That's where tragedy comes from.

You know, one of the stories I mentioned in the Kingdom of Cain is Macbeth, because it's such a great story about murder.

And it ends with the most beautiful speech about nihilism, about things, nothing makes sense. Nothing is worth anything. Right? Life is a tale told by an idiot. But because you're watching a play, you understand, Shakespeare is not saying that. A guy has detached himself from the moral order is saying that. He's lost the meaning of life, because he's detached himself from the meaning of life.

And so studying murder and writing art about murder. Takes you to the most serious questions about who we are. And who we really are. And what we really want. And how we -- you know, that inner battle that goes on. Which is to me, the source of drama.