BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ joins Glenn Beck with her predictions for the ABC News debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Does Kamala want to appear as a “girl boss” taking on a white, patriarchal bully? How should Trump counter this? Liz advises Trump to focus on how radical Harris is, despite what she claims on the campaign trail: highlight her record on things like abortion, child gender surgeries, the military and foreign wars, and the economy.

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. How are you?

LIZ: Hi, I'm well. Thanks for having had me.

GLENN: You're welcome. You're welcome. So I guess I will start with where Stu started with me this morning. Are you optimistic?

LIZ: I'm so excited for this debate.

GLENN: Are you really?

LIZ: Yes. I'm a political nerd. I just love this stuff.

I know it's a circus. It's a clown show.

It seems like a culmination of what we fight for every day. We finally have two people that are representing polar opposite viewpoints for our country.

Different paths. And I'm rooting for Trump.

I think he can win. But I think one of the most important thing he has to do is understand his enemy. If you know your enemy, then you will be able to tweet them. And he has to be very self-aware that Kamala Harris will be this girl boss. Girl power. She will try to provoke him emotionally.

And he has to be able to let that roll off his back.

GLENN: So what do you mean, she will be the girl boss, girl power?

LIZ: Remember when she was debating Mike Pence during the last round, and she goes, excuse me, Vice President, I'm speaking?

Why do you think this time, her team, insisted that the mics be left open. Remember, the first debates?

Between Trump and Biden. The mics were muted. So you could only speak during your allotted time, otherwise no one would be able to hear you. All of a sudden, she had agreed to this.

Then last week, her team said, we want the mics open. Why?

So she could run these, quote, unquote, fact-checks in realtime.

She can say, you're lying, I'm speaking. And make it seem like he's this white patriarchal male, who is trying to be a bully to her as a woman of color.

GLENN: Right.

I think if he handle this is debate, exactly the same way, he handled it the way with Joe Biden.

He will do really well.

LIZ: Yes. He did very well with Joe Biden.

Because he was so disciplined with his message.

See, this is the thing. Kamala Harris is a radical. She is not moderate. She's not centrist. She shouldn't appeal to independents. She is a radical leftist. A Marxist. Her father was a Marxist. Is a Marxist.

Economics professor.

And Donald Trump should highlight that.

He has all the facts on his side.

She had been in the White House for four years thousand.

Her record is Joe Biden's record.

GLENN: Well, I don't know if you heard the news today.

But her policy page is Joe Biden's policy page.

How do you do that?

LIZ: It's like a gift to the Trump campaign.

GLENN: Oh, it absolutely is.

LIZ: She will come out and pretend to be a prosecutor. She will ask him pointed question after pointed question without --

GLENN: Yeah, she will call him a felon.

LIZ: Yes, and you know what she should do?

If she calls him a felon. Because she's going to -- that's polled well for them. He should say, Madam Vice President, do you agree with the Supreme Court ruling, that the vaccine mandate that came from the Biden/Harris administration was illegal? If she says she agrees with the Supreme Court, then she is acknowledging that she was a tyrant. Trying to violate all of our medical freedoms. And if she says no, I think the Supreme Court is wrong. Then she's saying, she thinks it's illegal to do that.

When you want to talk about crime -- a visceral response that people are going to have to a crime committed against them, he should pivot to the topic that's important for the viewers to understand. He's never going to change Kamala's mind on mind.

That's not the point. The point is to showcase the American people, what she is.

GLENN: You know, you've started with saying. And I've wanted this for a long time.

If we're going to talk about communism. We're going to talk about truly changing the economy.

Changing the Constitution.

All the things that the world economic four up until has been doing.

Along with the Biden Harris thing.

Then let's have that -- let's that have conversation, honestly. You know.

And we do have, literally, a communist.

She -- what she is preparing, is communism.

And her dad loves that stuff. So she grew up steeped in all of this stuff.

But she won't admit it. That's the problem.

LIZ: No, but her track record shows it. So all Trump has to do is remember one question. Every time she makes an assertion, he should say, what does that mean?

He should say it rhetorically. He shouldn't give her back the microphone. He says, I'm going to be tough on the border. What does that mean?

During the past four years, when you were in the White House and had control of this, as the border czar, which was acknowledged by the United States Congress after Biden appointed you to that position, eight and a half million illegal aliens cross the border. So when you say you will be tough on the border, is that your definition of tough on the border, or did you fail when you had a chance at this job?

GLENN: She is going to say, we have greatly stopped the flow of --

KAMALA: I hope she does, because that will turn people off.

Because people have Haitian migrants eating ducks in their front yard in Springfield, Ohio. They won't believe her when she says, everything is hunky-dory.

GLENN: Yeah, I don't -- tell me this.
I said to Stu yesterday, that I'm actually becoming more and more optimistic about this election.

Because things are getting so bad.

KAMALA: Yeah.

GLENN: That the average person. I mean if you're -- you're a stay at home mom. If you're a mom, you are worried about your kids getting to and from school. Even in California.

Where now the immigrants are just staying at the bus stop.

Standing there with your kids. And if the bus sees a bunch of immigrants there.

Because they're trying to get on the buses. If they see them, they just blow on by. They won't pick your kid up.

So now your kid is left at the bus stop, with illegals, because the bus driver does not want to stop. You have your -- every day, you're going in, and you're fighting against prices.

The rate of the rise of inflation. Has slowed down.

But they keep saying that, you know, inflation is -- is falling.

No. The rate of how -- the rate of how -- of going up. Has slowed down.

But we're still 20 to 23 percent inflation, compared to when Trump was in office.

GLENN: That's all he has to say.

He just has to say. My fellow Americans. How much are you paying for groceries right now?

What was your grocery bill last week? How much did it cost you to fill up your tank of gas, the last time you filled up at the gas station?

And then he says, and how much did it cost when I was president?

And if Kamala Harris says, I will impose price controls, or some other Communist measure for the food industry. That's her general idea. Which showcases exactly what she is. He just has to say, well, do you support continuing to send US dollars to Ukraine. Because that's what's causing inflation.

She will say, yes. This is a fight against Putin. He's a tyrant. Blah, blah, blah. After she finishes her spiel, Trump just says, okay. So what I'm hearing you say, is, yes, you want to continue to spend American dollars in Ukraine.

Which means you're saying to the American people, you don't care how much their gas and groceries cost.

I do care. And I've proved that. Because when I was in the White House, people had a very different life, than when you were in the White House.

GLENN: Yes. When it comes up to Ukraine. I mean, right now, Afghanistan is on everybody's mind again because it was the anniversary.

And that was such a disaster. And now, we are -- we are openly praising Ukrainians for their drone attacks on Moscow.

We would never put a -- if Canada became an enemy, and Russia was sending drones over. And military equipment.

And they were -- they were bombing with drones. New York or Washington, DC.

We would not put up with it.

They're not going to put up with it either.

And you can't -- how is she going to make the case, that we are safer today?

Again, I go back to the mom, worried about her kids.

I don't want to send my kids to war.

I don't want our world to be at war. I'm also, I don't want drag queens in my -- at my school, you know, for my kids.

All of these things are so much worse.

That I just think that, when people close the curtain, this time around, they are going to reflect. Do I want more of this?

GLENN: Right. This is why I encourage President Trump to stay on message. Because if you get into the weeds on the personal stuff, as entertaining as that might be for us to watch for a moment, the average American wants to talk about how things impacted them. That's classic politics.

So with the war in Ukraine. Yes. You can talk about these hypothetical war plans. The truth of the matter is, Kamala is dragging us to the bring of war. She's arguably the one who started this war, by saying Ukraine could be part of NATO.

That was, what? A month before Russia invaded Ukraine.

There's no doubt, that there was a correlation between those comments and the onset of this war. She is a warmonger. She wants to continue this.

And then she wants to draft our daughters and send them to the war. Tell that to the average suburban mom. I have two young daughters. The idea that Kamala Harris could send them off to war, enrages me.

GLENN: I have an 18-year-old daughter. That could be drafted, I guess, under her, if we went into a war. That is --

LIZ: It's unacceptable.

GLENN: And there's no Canada for my son to run to. But I would have to have some place for my son and daughter to run to.

They will not serve in a war with these people. They won't. I, as a dad would say, do not do it. Where do we have you go to?

LIZ: And it's a very frightening prospect in our country. We shouldn't be in a situation where we feel like we have to run away from our country, otherwise our children --

GLENN: Yeah. I have never felt that way. Never. Under any president.

LIZ: I have not either. And I'm a newer parent than you are. My oldest is three and a half.

But my idea that I'm already having to think about all these different ways to protect her, from the left trying to get her. Whether trying to indoctrinate her on abortion.

I actually had last year. It was not this past November, but the November before. I had a debate with the local school board member, outside the polls. I was walking in and carrying my daughter on my hip. And the school board member, or this candidate I knew was very leftist. And she wanted to talk about her policies. And I was like, sure. I enjoy this a little bit.

And I said to her, do you believe in teaching trend-setter ideology to children? And she goes, oh, we need to be inclusive. I held up my daughter who I don't use for political props. But she was just there with me voting. And I said, so if my 2-year-old at the time, said she wanted to be a boy, you would transition her behind my back? And essentially, she said yes. And I said, evil. That's evil. That's what we're fighting against. People who will say that to your face.

GLENN: I know.

LIZ: President Trump should bring that up.

GLENN: You know, it's amazing what they will say to our face. And then what they say is a conspiracy theory. That they always turn out now, to be absolutely accurate. And they eventually admit it. Yes. Okay.

That is true. The things that they say to our face, are frightening enough. When somebody is unclear with you, in this administration, you should be terrified.

And I don't know why people continue to listen to liars. You know, Donald Trump exaggerates. He exaggerates.

I don't know. I mean, I can't think of anything. Of any importance, that he has exaggerated or lied about.

Can you think of anything that he lied about?

STU: For example, we talked about a couple of times. When he was saying, no. No one opposed Roe vs. Wade being overturned. Right?

Now, what he's talking about there is clearly there were, a lot of people on the left, legal scholars who did think it was bad law. So he is summarizing a legitimate situation by overstating it.
GLENN: Yes. Correct. Correct.

LIZ: It's like a general -- a hyperbolic generalization on a lie. I'm not trying to justify or be precise. But there is a difference.

GLENN: Yeah. There is a difference. And especially when you know you're lying.

You know, it's one thing to say this, and, you know. And he said, there are fine people on both sides.

No. At this point, you are engaging in evil, because you know exactly what you're doing.

That is exact opposite of what he said. And they just. I guess people just are -- they're either numb to it. Or they hopefully are waking up, and going, you know what, these people have given me this crap, in my -- in my home. In my bank account. And with -- in my city.

I can't trust them anymore. I don't -- I mean, I just can't keep doing it.

LIZ: Right. And obviously, Kamala is responsible for her own lies. But the institution that is responsible for allowing her to be a liar is the mainstream media. And that's what I would advise President Trump.

He shouldn't come off as a bully. There is the idea that if you have a man and a woman on stage, and the man is being harsh, there are a lot of women, who will interpret that as being a bullying demeanor.

Whether or not it's true, that's simply the reality of how people perceive things. And so he should say, what does that mean? When she says a lie.

Because here are the statistics that show that that's not true. And say, I don't know why you're not -- but to deceive the American people. But this is why -- this is a good example of the damage that happens when the mainstream runs interference for you. Because you shouldn't be on the stage if you're not going to tell a truth. But that should have been weeded out years ago by media actually doing their job and asking questions, about why you were contradicting your actions.

GLENN: All right. Back in just a second. We're with Liz Wheeler. I want to talk to you, Liz, about abortion. How should he handle? Because that's her big thing.

She's in the evil territory.

LIZ: She's not just pro-choice. She's pro-abortion.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, and she's almost Malthusian. You know, when you're willing to go, well, let the baby die after birth. That's a problem.

LIZ: It's child sacrifice.

GLENN: Yeah. It is.

So how should he handle abortion? Because she's going to lie and say, he wants to take all of your rights away. Which he doesn't. But he -- he has to say, what he actually believes. But he also can't piss off his own core, because he already is --

LIZ: He did.

GLENN: Yeah. He's already pissed them off. So he doesn't need to make it worse. How does he respond to that?

LIZ: It depends on how she brings it up. I'm more pro-life than Donald Trump. I'm a pro-life absolutist, and I encourage Donald Trump and everyone to be the same.

I acknowledge the reality that he is not. My advice to him would be to start out by praising life. Say, life is precious. Life is wonderful. I have five children. I have however many grandchildren. They have been the biggest blessings of my life. And I want to ensure that women across our country and American families, I want to make abortion unthinkable. I want to change the culture so that life is something that we value. I want to us think, who might this young girl or young boy be?

And I want to make it financially possible, I want people to feel financially secure and emotionally supported when they face these surprise pregnancies.

I believe that life begins at conception. I know he's unlikely to say that. Because he talks often about thinking abortion is okay through six weeks. I obviously disagree with that. But I encourage him to follow the science.

He always talks about following the heart. If he truly spends some time and reflection, I think he should be based.

I think he should say, abortion is wrong. Abortion is sad. Abortion ends the life of an unborn baby, who had potential and a future. And it harms women, it harms families. It harms our country. I don't want that.

And he should make it a generally positive message, without sacrificing the value of the dignity of life.

GLENN: Can he go in to, you know, she wants -- she wants abortion after birth?

CAORL: Oh, of course, he should highlight. He, of course, should highlight just how radical she is.

I mean, this is one of the most radical politicians in our country on abortion, if not the most.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. She's almost Margaret Sanger.

LIZ: Probably more so, because Margaret Sanger at the beginning didn't support late-term abortion or after-birth abortion.

GLENN: That's true. That's true.

LIZ: Kamala Harris does.

And he should highlight, that she's out of step with the American people. Even women who identify as pro-choice, 80 percent of Americans, including pro-choice women want late-term abortion to be banned.

Sixty percent want late-term abortion should be banned. He should highlight that he stands with the majority of America. And that she -- she does not.

And he certainly should highlight that the CDC says between 13 and 30,000 times a year, late-term abortions happen. That's awful.

GLENN: Liz Wheeler. She'll be joining us tonight for our live coverage of the debate on Blaze TV.