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EXPLAINED: Duke/BYU racial slur drama proves truth IS OVER

You may not follow women’s college volleyball, but you definitely should care about this: A Duke volleyball player recently accused BYU fans of using racial slurs at a big game in Provo, Utah last week. Now, that accusation has ended in a ‘human sacrifice being thrown into to the PC volcano,’ John Ziegler, Host of ‘With the Benefit of Hindsight,’ tells Glenn. In this clip, Ziegler explains the entire story and gives his theory as to what REALLY happened. He details how one volleyball player’s accusation became worldwide news, the political godmother who became involved, and the shameful way BYU caved under pressure. Plus, Ziegler explains how this story proves truth no longer matters in today’s society: ‘It’s dangerous, it’s really frustrating, and it’s really sad.’

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: John Ziegler, welcome to the program. How are you.

JOHN: Glenn, always good to talk to you.

GLENN: Good to talk to you. So you're a guy who debunked a lot of stuff. And you're usually a contrarian. And I know that's why I like you so much. Because you never take the popular side. You take the hard road every single time. Because you believe -- you do your homework, and you believe something is right or wrong. John, there is this duke, BYU volleyball game story, that just stinks to high heaven. And yet, everybody believes it. And BYU just announced that they are eliminating this fan section, because of this. And I think it's a lie. Tell the story, and then what you found.

JOHN: Well, it is a lie. And the reason why we know it's a lie, is because how this story developed. How it birthed. How it evolved. And the unique factors to allow the news media to get easily duped, including the nature, as you already alluded to, of the religion and perception related to BYU. Of course, being Mormonism. Here's the story as we were told it. Supposedly last Friday night, at a woman's volleyball game. A duke volleyball player who happened to be black. Was subjected to continual, continual N-word chants against her by at least one person. And then racial intimidation, that was apparently so obvious, that a police officer had to be stationed at the duke bench.

Now, this, if true, is obviously horrendous. Also, if true, at a sold-out event. This was sold-out, at BYU. Over 5,000 people. If at 2022, where everyone has a cell phone, and where this game was being streamed live.

And we're told that saying the N-word to a black person is the worst thing a human being can possibly do, except maybe not wear a mask at an inner-city school. That may be worse, but this is the worst thing that can happen. This is effectively like Bigfoot sitting down in the BYU student section, and there being no video evidence of it.

None. I mean, it's impossible. It's absolutely impossible, that in this day and age, there would be no witnesses, no video, no indication of this whatsoever.

But that didn't necessarily prove that it didn't happen. How did the story evolve?

Did something happen during the game, that made it a public issue?

Was there a post-game press conference that made this a public issue? No.

This became a public issue because of a tweet.

Was it a tweet by the girl who was subjected to the N-word?

No. Was it somebody who was at the game? No. This was by, quote, the godmother, whatever that means.

The godmother of the girl who was supposedly subjected to this, much later after the game, where she tweets the story that I just told you.

GLENN: Yeah. But she was there, right?

JOHN: No, no, no. She was not there. And in fact, it now appears the person she spoke to, the player's dad was also not there. So now we have a whisper down the lane situation, Glenn, and I think that's the key to what happened here. A lot of people on my side of this issue, was calling this like it's another Jussie Smollett hoax, and they're wondering why she didn't say they were wearing red hats, and this is MAGA country. I don't think this was a deliberate hoax.

I think this was a situation where, everybody fell into a story that fit their self-interest. And those are always the most dangerous. And that gets us -- to BYU's reaction to this. Just to finish, how this story gave birth. Because this is really important. Is that this tweet comes out from the godmother, who is running for political office. It's the top of her Twitter page.

GLENN: In Texas. In Texas. She's running for I think a judgeship, is she not? That will be great.

JOHN: I'm looking at this, wait a minute here. She's in Texas. The game is in Utah, and the photograph that she tweeted was not from the game. It was a photograph of her, with her, quote, unquote, goddaughter. Which if you were at the game, that's not what you would have tweeted out. You would have tweeted out a picture from the game, along with this horrific story of racial abuse. So immediately, I'm thinking, she wasn't there. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

And then we later find out, that she has a history of dozens and dozens of overtly racist tweets. That causes her to shut down her Twitter feed. Which in a rational world, would have stopped any media outlet for considering this credible. But already from that happening, this is what occurred, LeBron James retweeted the tweet.

Now, LeBron James, as you and your listeners should know, is not a credible source from this for any reasons, including the fact, that he perpetrated his own racial hoax, that I believe was actually a hoax, several years ago, that never got fully debunked because the police said, you know what, this is one of those crimes better left unsolved, really. Because it didn't happen. Because he makes it a cause celeb in the left-wing Twittersphere, it goes viral. Once it goes viral, the news media, they have no ability to not accept this story. Because it's a narrative they love. This is where the PYU narrative becomes important. Complete reaction is, oh. BYU. White school. Mormon.

Utah. Of course, this is what happened. This is the way the world works. The media will believe anything about Mormonism. My God, we saw it in the 2012 election. Who believe they will torture your family dog on the family vacation for no apparent reason.

GLENN: Hang on just a second. You know what, what is amazing to me, if you've ever been to Provo, Utah. You are expecting me to believe, that no one in the stands heard it or spoke up against it. Or witnessed it, and didn't speak.

You have to believe, that that entire section was in on it. That everyone was -- because there are no witnesses. They have asked the people there. They looked at the videotape. Nothing. Nothing. And she said, it happened every time she served. The cameras are on the audience. Not happening.

JOHN: And let's be clear who said that. The godmother said that, not the player, specifically. Which I think is important.

I think a lot of this story comes down to language.

If the player doesn't put out a statement, until Sunday! Until Sunday! And in her statement, she never uses the N-word.

She says, racially heckled. What the hell is racially heckled? Now, to me, in my interpretation to this, and this is where I think we get to where society has changed. Where we're now so incredibly close to racism being the criticism of a black person by a white person.

That's what racism is now.

And it doesn't have to have any racial angle to it whatsoever. This was a very intense atmosphere, this game. It was a sold-out game. And this player, Richardson, played poorly. And Duke lost. It is -- in my research of these cases, it's amazing how often when it happens in sports. The team that had the racism against them, always loses.

And it -- and it -- and that plays a key role. Because if you read her statement, she's clearly looking for an excuse as to why she played poorly, and why her team lost.

And so what I think happened here. This is my theory about what happened.

Is that -- that the crowd was intense. She played like crap. She was upset about it. She tells her dad about how this incredibly intense crowd. She might have even made it sound racist. These white Mormons were all over me, during the whole game.

Her dad then in a whispered down the lane situation, tells the godmom. The godmom was an overt racist and running for office, tweets about it. LeBron James retweets it. The left-wing media goes crazy. USA Today calls her a hero in the headline, the New York Times reports about it. Everybody is going crazy.

Oh, my God. We love this narrative. We hate Mormons. Mormons will do anything. They're all racist.

And, by that time -- by that time, she herself becomes invested in the story. Duke is not going to back away from their black player, and BYU caves completely.

BYU frightens their own shadow. They self-flagellate. They capitulate. Because this is what you do in academia. Especially when you're run by a lot of straight white males, which BYU is. And after, you even have the governor of Utah jump in, on this, immediately with no facts.

And tweet about how horrible the racism is.

It's in the DNA of everyone in academia, when these crises happen, to immediately plead guilty. And once they plead guilty, everybody thinks, well, my gosh, the story must be true. Why would BYU plead guilty? Because they don't understand the dynamic, especially in academia, especially among straight white men, where you must immediately self-flagellate, and virtue signal to save your job. And then they throw this -- this mentally challenged handicapped person under the bus.

GLENN: I know. The sacrifice -- wait. Wait. Wait. Explain this. Because I think this is the worst part of it.

JOHN: So, again, this is partially this is my theory. What happened to have happened, BYU, and duke, I think is equally culpable in this. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat to make the girl feel better about herself. There needs to be a scalp. And it appears as if, that the person who was chosen to be the scalp, was someone who had nothing to do with any racial slurs, was not even in the student section when supposedly this happened. A mentally handicapped person who was well-known to come to these games, who we don't even know what the heck actually happened. Was somehow near the bench after the game, and the duke side identifies this person, supposedly as potentially the voice of somebody who had spewed some racial slur. And BYU bans this person supposedly for life. As I call them. A human sacrifice, being thrown into the PC volcano.

GLENN: It's really bad. It's really bad.

JOHN: I mean, it's unbelievable. Both sides deserve enormous blame for this. But this is one of the stories, Glenn, it's never going to get fixed. Because it's impossible to disprove, to prove a negative. How do you prove 1,000 percent that --

GLENN: You're not supposed to. In America, the person who makes the charge, is the one who has to prove it. You don't have to prove you're innocent. Somebody has to prove you're guilty. They had no description of the person. They couldn't tell you what the person looked like, what -- what they were even saying. When they identified this kid, if I'm not mistaken, they were saying it, because they said, that voice sounds like the voice we heard. Is that right?

JOHN: Right. See, I think this is where we come down to race and religion. Because we, now live in a world where right and wrong and, quote, unquote, truth is determined by how many PC points you have in your demographics. So we have a black female, who is alleging having been the victim of racism. You can't beat that. Unless she's gay. Then you get a few more points. But from a points standpoint, you can't beat it. And you're going up against it as white Mormons. So you have no chance. White straight Mormons have no chance against a black female, accusing the other side of racism. And, I mean, that sounds funny. It's partially funny. It's also reality. That's the way the media looks at this now. And once they get a narrative they like, Glenn, there's no going back. This woman is a hero. We have the script we like. Let's cut it. Print it. Move on. And it doesn't matter it's for a mentally challenged guy, that's been destroyed. It doesn't matter that BYU's reputation has been destroyed. It doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the world we're living in. It's really dangerous, it's really frustrating, and it's really sad.

GLENN: So I want to give you some tweets from this woman, quickly. I knew she was married to a white boy just reading this tweet. This is the godmother's responses to things. Before this incident, being married to a white woman, he thinks I can talk his stupid ass nonsense. You damn straight about that. White people being white. Why does CNN constantly interview these dumbass white women. I would expect nothing less from a pail white chick. You poor white MFers can't take it. White women and men always disappoint. Last night, chef's table, and these white people getting on to our last damn nerves. I mean, this is -- this woman is all about hatred of white people. And she is running in Tarrant County, Texas. That's Fort Worth. She's running for a judgeship. Her name is Lesa Pamplin. Right? Yeah. Lesa Pamplin, for judge.

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All right. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. So the press -- I think the Cougar Chronicle, which is BYU paper, they were the first one to say, wait a minute, I don't think this is right. Weren't they?

JOHN: To my knowledge. I think myself, and Jason Whitlock has also done a great job, on this story. But, you know, I think, you know, we were trying very early to get at least to be safe, for the other side to say, wait a minute. And I think we were successful in doing that over the weekend.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you. So tell me about ESPN. And talk radio, I mean, sorry, sports radio. Has completely gone off the rails.

JOHN: Oh, yeah. It's all woke nonsense. But ESPN deserves special mention here. And this is a great example of the sausage being made.

GLENN: We have about 45 seconds. Go ahead.

JOHN: Okay. So long story short. Holly Roe, who I thought was a good reporter. I've been in touch with her on the whole Penn State, Paterno, Sandusky fiasco that I've talked to you about many times before.

I tried to warn her about this story. I said, this is not right. You've got this wrong. And she goes, and interviews the -- this woman, the volleyball player. The interview itself proves nothing happened. Because there's no detail. No emotion. No anger. Nothing. And she completely buys in. And then instead of saying, John, tell me more. She blocks me on Twitter.

GLENN: Wow.

JOHN: Because she doesn't want to hear the truth. And this is one of ESPN's best reporters. This is the making of the sausage in 2022, and why journalism is dead, Glenn.

GLENN: John Ziegler. You can follow him at Zigmundfreud. John Ziegler. Thank you so much for being a part of the program. Back in just a second.

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Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is directly connected in more ways than one to a radical Muslim cleric named Asad Zaman. Zaman's history and ties are despicable, and despite Walz's efforts to dismiss his connection to Zaman, the proof is undeniable. Glenn Beck heads to the chalkboard to connect the dots on this relationship.

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Is there a sinister GOP plan to SELL national parks?

Is Sen. Mike Lee pushing a sinister plan to sell our national parks and build “affordable housing” on them? Glenn Beck fact checks this claim and explains why Sen. Lee’s plan to sell 3 million acres of federal land is actually pro-freedom.

Transcript

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GLENN: Now, let me give you a couple of things, from people I generally respect.

Chris Rufo, I really respect.

I'm totally against selling this land.

Nobody is going to build affordable housing deep in the Olympic Peninsula, which is one of the most beautiful places in the country.

I agree, it's in Washington State. It's on the coast. And it's a rain forest.

I want my kids hiking, fishing, and camping on those lands, not selling them off for some tax credit scam. This is a question I want to ask Mike Lee about.

That's really good. Matt Walsh chimes in, I'm very opposed to the plan. The biggest environmentalist in the country are and always have been, conservatives who like to hunt and fish.

We don't just call ourselves environmentalists, because the label has too much baggage.

And the practice always just means communist. Really, we are naturalists in the tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, and that's why most of us hate the idea of selling off federal lands to build affordable housing or whatever. I want to get to affordable housing here in a second.

Preserving nature is important. It's a shame we haven't -- that we've allowed conservation to become so left-wing coated. It never was historically.

No, and it still isn't.

You're right about one thing, Matt. We are the best conservatives. We actually live in these places. We use these places. We respect the animals. We respect the land. We know how the circle of life works. So I agree with you on that.

But affordable housing. Why do you say affordable housing or whatever?

Are you afraid those will be black people? I'm just playing devil's advocate? Are you just afraid of black people? You don't want any poor people in your neighborhood or your forest?

That's not what they mean by affordable housing.

And I know that's not what you mean either.

But what -- what we mean by affordable housing is, if you take a look at the percentage of land that is owned in some of these states. You can't live in a house, in some of these states, you know. Close to anything, for, you know, less than a million dollars. Because there's no land!

There's plenty of land all around.

Some of it. Let's just talk about Utah.

Some of it is like the surface of the moon!

But no. No. No.

Not going to hunt and fish on the surface of the moon. But we can't have you live anywhere.

I mean, you have to open up -- there is a balance between people and the planet. And I'm sorry. But when you're talked about one half of 1 percent, and we're not talking about Yellowstone.

You know, we're not. Benji Backer, the Daily Caller, he says, the United States is attempting to sell off three million acres of public land, that will be used for housing development through the addition of the spending bill.

This is a small provision to the big, beautiful bill that would put land in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado. Idaho. New Mexico. Oregon. Utah. Washington, and Wyoming at risk.

Without so much as a full and fair debate by members of both sides of the political aisle.

You know, I talked -- I'll talk to him about this.

The irony is, the edition of this provision by Republican-led Senate goes entirely against conservation legacy of a conservation. President Trump made a promise to revive this legacy.

Yada. Yada. Yada.

More about Teddy Roosevelt.

Then let me give you this one from Lomez. Is Mike Lee part of a sinister plan to sell off federal land?

This plan to sell off public lands is a terrible proposal that doesn't make any sense under our present circumstances and would be a colossal political blunder. But I'll try to be fair to base Mike Lee.

And at least have him explain where this is all coming from.

Okay. I will have him do that in about 30 minutes.

Let me give you just my perspective on this.

I'm from the West. I love the west.

I don't hike myself.

I think there's about 80 percent of the people who say, I just love to hike. And they don't love to hike. They never go outside.

I'm at least willing to admit. I don't like to hike. But I love the land. I live in a canyon now. That I would love to just preserve this whole canyon in my lifetime. I'm not going to rule from the grave. But in my lifetime, to protect this, so it remains unspoiled. Because it is beautiful!

But we're talking about selling 3 million acres of federal land. And it's becoming dangerous.

And it's a giveaway. Or a threat to nature.

But can we just look at the perspective here?

The federal government owned 640 million acres. That is nearly 28 percent of all land in America!

How much land do we have?

Well, that's about the size of France.

And Germany. Poland.

And the United Kingdom, combined!

They own and hold pristine land, that is more than the size of those countries combined!

And most of that is west of the Mississippi. Where the federal control smothers the states.

Okay?

Shuts down opportunity. Turns local citizens into tenets of the federal estate.

You can't afford any house because you don't have any land!

And, you know, the states can't afford to take care of this land. You know why the states can't afford it?

Because you can't charge taxes on 70 percent of your land!

Anyway, on, meanwhile, the folks east of the Mississippi, like Kentucky, Georgia. Pennsylvania.

You don't even realize, you know, how little of the land, you actually control.

Or how easy it is for the same policies, to come for you.

And those policies are real.

Look, I'm not talking about -- I'm disturbed by Chris Rufo saying, that it is the Olympic forest.

I mean, you're not going to live in the rain forest. I would like to hear the case on that.

But we're not talking about selling Yellowstone or paving over Yosemite or anything like that.

We're talking about less than one half of one percent of federal land. Land that is remote.
Hard to access. Or mismanaged. I live in the middle of a national forest.

So I'm surrounded on all sides by a national forest, and then BLM land around that. And then me. You know who the worst neighbor I have is?

The federal government.

The BLM land is so badly mismanaged. They don't care what's happening.

Yeah. I'm going to call my neighbor, in Washington, DC, to have them fix something.

It's not going to happen.

If something is wrong with that land, me and my neighbors, we end up, you know, fixing the land.

We end up doing it. Because the federal government sucks at it.

Okay.

So here's one -- less than one half of 1 percent.

Why is it hard to access that land?

Well, let me give you a story. Yellowstone.

Do you know that the American bison, we call it the buffalo.

But it's the American bison.

There are no true American bison, in any place, other than Yellowstone.

Did you know that?

Here's almost an endangered species.

It's the only true American bison, is in Yellowstone.

Ranchers, I would love to raise real American bison.

And I would protect them.

I would love to have them roaming on my land.

But you can't!

You can't.

Real bison, you can't.

Why? Because the federal government won't allow any of them to be bred.

In fact, when Yellowstone has too many bison on their land, you know what the federal government does?

Kills them. And buries them with a bulldozer. Instead of saying, hey. We have too many.

We will thin the herd.

We will put them on a truck. Here's some ranchers that will help repopulate the United States with bison. No, no, no. You can't do that.

Why? It's the federal government. Stop asking questions. Do you know what they've done to our bald eagles.

I have pictures of piles of bald eagles.

That they'll never show you.

They'll never show you.

You can't have a bald eagle feather!

It's against the law, to have a feather, from a bald eagle!

If it's flying, and a feather falls off, you can't pick it up. Because they're that sacred.

But I have pictures of piles of bald eagles, dead, from the windmills.

And nobody says a thing.

Okay.

But we're talking about lands.

States can't afford to manage it.

Okay. But how can the federal government?

Now, this is really important.

The federal government is, what? $30 trillion in debt or are we 45 trillion now, I'm not sure?

Our entitlement programs, all straight infrastructure, crumbling.

And yet, we're still clinging to millions of acres of land, that the federal government can't maintain. Yeah, they can.

Because they can always print money.

We can't print money in the state, so we can't afford it.

Hear me out. The BLM Forest Service, Park Service, billions of dollars behind in maintenance, roads, trails, fire brakes.

Everything is falling apart..

So what's the real plan here?

Well, the Biden administration was the first one that was really open about it, pushing for what was called 30 by 30.

They want 30 percent of all US land and water, under conservation by 2030.

But the real goal is 5050.

50 percent of the land, and the water, in the government's control by 2050.

Half of the country locked up under federal or elite approved protection.

Now, you think that's not going to affect your ability to hunt, fish, graze, cattle. Harvest, timber, just live free. You won't be able to go on those. It won't be conservatives, who stop you from hunting and fishing.

It will be the same radical environmental ideologues, who see the land, as sacred, over people!

I mean, unless it's in your backyard. Your truck. Or your dear stand, you know, then I guess you can't touch that land.

Here's something that no one is talking about, and it goes to the 2030.

The Treasury right now, and they started under Obama, and they're still doing it now.

Sorry, under Biden.

And they're doing it now. The Treasury is talking about putting federal land on the national ballot sheet. What does that mean?

Well, it will make our balance sheet so much better.

Because it looks like we have so much more wealth, and we will be able to print more money.

Uh-huh. What happens, you know. You put something sacred like that, on your balance sheet, and the piggy bank runs dry.

And all of the banks are like, okay.

Well, you can't pay anymore.

What happens in a default?

What happens, if there's catastrophic failure. You don't get to go fish on that land. Because that land becomes Chinese.

You think our creditors, foreign and domestic, won't come knocking?

What happens when federal land is no longer a national treasure, but a financial asset, that can be seized or sold or controlled by giant banks or foreign countries.

That land that you thought, you would always have access to, for your kids, for your hunting lodge, for your way of life.

That is really important!

But it might not be yours at all. Because you had full faith in the credit of the United States of America.

So what is the alternative?

Dershowitz SLAMS ‘expert’ lies in explosive trans surgery debate

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 in favor a Tennessee law that bans transgender surgeries for minors. But famed attorney Alan Dershowitz explains to Glenn why “it should have been unanimous.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Alan Dershowitz, how are you?

ALAN: I'm doing great, how about you?

GLENN: It has been a really confusing week. I'm losing friends, I think, because I stand with Israel's right to defend themselves. And I'm pointing out, that while I don't want a war, Iran is a really bad place.

And then I see, the Supreme Court comes out best interest there are three justices are like, I don't know. I think children, you know, can change their identity before we even let them drive or carry a gun. Or enlist in the military.

It's insane!

ALAN: It is insane. Especially since the radical left said that -- 17 and a half-year-old -- voluntary sex with their boyfriend. That would be sexist, that would be horrible.

But they can consent to have an abortion. They can consent to have radical surgery, that can't be reversed.

By the way, the decision is like six to two and a half. Elena Kagan, my former colleague at Harvard, didn't reach the merits of whether or not a state could actually ban these operations on a minor. She got involved in whether or not you need super, duper scrutiny, or just super scrutiny, a kind of, you know, a very technical thing.

But she didn't rule on whether under any kind of scrutiny, the state could do that. So definitely, two of them said that the state could do it, but not necessarily a third one.

GLENN: Okay.

Can you break this argument down? And why it should have been unanimous?

ALAN: Oh, it should be unanimous. There's no question.

States under the Constitution, have the authority to decide medical issues. States decide a whole range of medical issues. I remember when I was a young professor, there was an issue of whether or not one twin could be operated on to remove a kidney, to be given to another twin.

And, you know, that case went all the way through -- the federal government never got involved in that. That was up to the state of Massachusetts. They made interesting decisions.

Some states go the other way.

Half the countries of Europe go one way. The other half go the other way. And just as Justice Brandeis once said that things are the laboratories of Constitutional experimentation.

They have the right to do things their own way. And then we'll see over time. Over time, I predict that we will find that this kind of surgery, is not acceptable scientifically for young people.

And the New York Times had an absurd op-ed yesterday. By the mother of a transgender person.

And it never mentioned. It originally said that the person was now 18 years old.

And the decision does not apply to anyone who is 18.

You know, just wait. Don't make irreversible decisions while you're 12 years old. Or 13 years old.

Because we know the statistics show, that some people, at least, regret having made these irreversible decisions, particularly. Yeah.

GLENN: So why is it -- why is it that the state. Why wasn't the argument, you can't do this to children?

ALAN: Well, you know, that's the question.

Whether or not if the state says, you can do it to children, that violates the Constitution. I think states are given an enormous amount of leeway, this. Deciding what's best for people.

You leave it to the public.

And, you know, for me, if I were, you know, voting. I would not vote to allow a 17-year-old to make that irreversible decision. But if the state wants to do it. If a country in Europe wants to do it. All right!

But the idea that there's a constitutional right for a minor, who can't -- isn't old enough to consent to a contract, to have sex, is old enough to consent to do something that will change their life forever, and they will come to regret, is -- is absurd.

GLENN: So I don't know how you feel about Justice Thomas. But he -- he took on the so-called experts.

And -- and really kind of took him to the woodshed. What were your thoughts on that?

ALAN: Well, I agree with that. I devoted my whole life to challenging experts. That's what I do in court.

I challenge experts all the time. But most of the major cases that I've won, have been cases where experts went one way, and we were -- persuaded a jury or judge. That the expert is not really an expert.

Experts have become partisans, just like everybody else.

And so I'm glad that expert piece is being challenged by judges.

And, you know, experts ought to challenge judges, judges challenge experts. That's the world we live in. Everybody challenges everybody else. As long as all of us are allowed to speak, allowed to have our point of view expressed, allowed to vote, that's democracy.

Democracy does not require a singular answer to complex medical, psychological, moral problems. We can have multiple answers.

We're not a dictatorship. We're not in North Korea or Iran, where the ayatollah or the leader tells us what to think. We can think for ourselves, and we can act for ourselves.

GLENN: Yeah. It's really interesting because this is my argument with Obamacare.

I was dead set against Obamacare. But I wasn't against Romneycare when it was in Massachusetts. If that's what Massachusetts wants to do, Massachusetts can do it. Try it.

And honestly, if it would work in a state, we would all adopt it.

But the problem is, that some of these things, like Romneycare, doesn't work. And so they want to -- they want to rope the federal government into it. Because the federal government can just print money. You know, any state wants to do anything.

For instance, I have a real hard time with California right now.

Because I have a feeling, when they fail, we will be roped into paying for the things that we all knew were bad ideas.

Why? Why should I pay for it in Texas, when I know it wouldn't work?

And I've always wanted to live in California, but I don't, because I know that's not going to work.

ALAN: Yeah. But conservatives sometimes take the opposite point of view.

Take guns, for example.

The same Justice Thomas says that I state cannot have the authority to decide that guns should not be available in time square.

Or in schools. There has to be a national openness to guns. Because of the second apple.

And -- you can argue reasonably, what the Second Amendment means.

But, you know, conservatives -- many conservatives take the view that it has to be a single standard for the United States.

It can't vary in their decision how to control -- I'm your favorite --

GLENN: Isn't that -- doesn't that -- doesn't that just take what the -- what the Bill of Rights is about, and turns it upside the head?

I mean, it says, anything not mentioned here, the states have the rights.

But they -- they cannot. The federal government cannot get involved in any of these things.

And these are rights that are enshrined.

So, I mean, because you could say that, but, I mean, when it comes to health care, that's not in the Constitution. Not in the Bill of Rights.

ALAN: Oh, no.

There's a big difference, of course.

The Second Amendment does provide for the right to bear arms.

The question is whether it's interpreted in light of the beginning of the Second Amendment. Which says, essentially, a well-regulated, well-regulated militia. Whether that applies to private ownership as well.

Whether it could be well-regulated by states.

Look, these are interesting debates.

And the Supreme Court, you know, decides these.

But all I'm saying is that many of these decisions are in some way, influenced by ideology.

The words of the Constitution, don't speak like, you know, the Ten Commandments and God, giving orders from on high.

They're often written in ambiguous terms. Even the Ten Commandments. You know, it says, thou shall not murder. And it's been interpreted by some to say, thou shall not still, the Hebrew word is (foreign language), for murder, not kill. And, of course, we know that in parts of the Bible, you are allowed to kill your enemies, if they come after you to kill you, rise up and kill them first.

So, you know, everything -- human beings are incapable of writing with absolute clarity, about complex issues.

That's why we need institutions to interpret them. The institutions should be fair.

And the Supreme Court is sometimes taking over too much authority, too much power.

I have an article today, with gay stone.

Can had starts with a quote from the book of Ruth.

And it says, when judges rule the land, there was famine.

And I say, judges were not supposed to ever rule, going back to Biblical times.

Judges are supposed to judge.

People who are elected or pointed appropriately. Are the ones supposed to rule.

GLENN: Quickly. Two other topics. And I know you have to go.

If I can get a couple of quick takes on you.

The Democrats that are being handcuffed, and throwing themselves into situations.

Do you find that to be a sign of a fascistic state or a publicity stunt?

ALAN: A publicity stunt. And they would knit it. You know, give them a drink at 11 o'clock in the bar. They will tell you, they are doing this deliberately to get attention.

Of course, a guy who is running behind in the mayor race in New York, goes and gets himself arrested. And now he's on every New York television station. And probably will move himself up in the polls.

So no.

Insular -- I don't believe in that. And I don't believe we should take it -- take it seriously.

GLENN: Last question.

I am proudly for Israel.

But I'm also for America. And I'm really tired of foreign wars.

And I think you can be pro-Israel and pro-America at the same time.

I don't think you can -- you don't have to say, I'm for Israel, defending themselves, and then that makes me a warmonger.

I am also very concerned about Iran. And have been for a very long time.

Because they're Twelvers. They're Shia Twelvers. That want to wash the world in blood. To hasten the return of the promised one.

So when they have a nuclear weapon. It's a whole different story.

ALAN: No, I agree with you, Tucker Carlson, is absolutely wrong, when he say he has to choose between America first or supporting Israel. Supporting Israel in this fight against Iran, is being America first.

It's supporting America. Israel has been doing all the hard work. It's been the one who lost its civilians and fortunately, none of its pilots yet.

But America and Israel work together in the interest of both countries.

So I'm -- I'm a big supporter of the United States, the patriarch. And I'm a big supporter of Israel at the same time.

Because they work together in tandem, to bring about Western -- Western values.

GLENN: Should we drop a bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should.

GLENN: Our plane drop the bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should. And without killing civilians. It can be done. Probably needs four bombs, not one bomb. First, one bomb to open up the mountain. Then another bomb to destroy what's going on inside.

And in my book The Preventive State, I make the case for when preventive war is acceptable. And the war against Iran is as acceptable as it would have been to attack Nazi Germany in the 1930s. If we had done that, if Britain and France had attacked Nazi Germany in the 1930s, instead of allowing it to be built up, it could have saved 60 million lives. And so sometimes, you have to take preventive actions to save lives.

GLENN: What is the preventive state out, Alan?

ALAN: Just now. Just now.

Very well on Amazon.

New York Times refuses to review it. Because I defended Donald Trump.

And Harvard club cancelled my appearance talked about the book. Because I haven't been defending Harvard. I've been defending President Trump's attack. By the way, they called Trump to Harvard: Go fund yourself.
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GLENN: Okay.

Let's -- I would love to have you back on next week. To talk about the preventive state. If you will. Thank you, Alan. I appreciate it. Alan Dershowitz. Harvard Law school, professor emeritus, host of the Dershow. And the author of the new book that's out now, The Preventive State.

I think that's a really important topic. Because we are -- we are traveling down the roads, where fascism, on both sides, where fascism can start to creep in. And it's all for your own good.

It's all for your own protection. Be aware. Be aware.

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