RADIOJuly 15, 2022

Inflation vs. taxation: Which form of THIEVERY is worse?

Taxation is theft, but inflation may be even worse. Why? Carol Roth, financial expert and author of ‘The War On Small Business,’ tells Glenn that inflation is a PERMANENT thievery that robs you of EVERYTHING you’ve worked so hard to accomplish. Plus, today’s 9.1 percent inflation was ENTIRELY avoidable, if not for the disastrous central-planning policies enacted by today’s Federal Reserve. ‘It’s just so, so frustrating and angering,’ she says.

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GLENN: Carol Roth is a friend and friend of the program. She's the author of the book, The War On Small Business. She's a -- in her words, a recovering investment banker, worked on Wall Street for quite some time. But sees things from Main Street, and can explain things to Main Street as opposed to everybody else, who I just think talks about Wall Street stuff. And that doesn't matter to the average person. Unless you can break it down, and explain it.

Carol Roth, welcome to the program. Hi, Carol.

CAROL: Hi, Glenn. How are you doing?

GLENN: Good. Good.

I am -- do you agree with me on Sri Lanka? You've been following that I'm sure.

CAROL: Yes. I don't know if you know this, but Sri Lanka has an ESG score of 98. So good for them, that really worked out super well.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. Yeah, yeah, I know. So we have a couple of things I want to go through. First of all, the CPI, this is the Consumer Price Index. The inflation number, is at 9.1.

The -- I loved your tweet the other day. Let me see if I can find it. You said, first, there will be no inflation. Then inflation is transitory. Inflation is good for you.

Inflation only hurts the rich. Inflation is the consumer's fault. Inflation is greedy business' fault. Inflation is Putin's fault.

Inflation is backward looking. And your last one, bread lines are a great way to meet people. The latest is, it's backward looking. That's what the White House came out and said, those are old numbers. But they didn't say that the new numbers would be better.

CAROL: I mean, backward-looking. Forward-looking. Up, down, and in circle. Whichever way you're looking. This is something that is affecting all of our lives. You know, I was thinking about taxation. And how taxation is a theft.

But it is a one-time theft. It's a one-time theft of your earnings. Inflation is permanent theft. It permanently steals your ability to purchase goods and services. The wealth that you created.

Everything that you worked hard to earn. And saved. To ever

And this is what we're seeing. And, you know, while the 9.1 percent, you know, wasn't necessarily a surprise, it is still really shocking to see it on paper. And as you and I have discussed before. You know, these are the manipulated numbers. These are the formula changes that have happened, a few times since the 1980s. If you looked on this.

You know, how it would have been on an Apples to Apples basis. To the 1980s. It's probably about double that. So this is theft from the American people. By central planning. That was completely avoidable.

And it is just so, so frustrating and angering.

GLENN: So they -- they said, I read an article early this morning, that talked about, there's a possibility, that by the end of the month, the fed is talking now about raising it another point. Another point.

And you gave me a stat a while back. Because people don't think this. Our debt has interest attached to it.

CAROL: Right.

GLENN: And when we go out as a nation, for a trillion dollars, we have to pay interest. And you gave me a stat for every one point added, it adds to our debt and deficit, how much?

CAROL: Okay. So this is not a direct line. But basically, think about this. We have about, you know, a six to seven-year average on our debt. Which means that our national debt is constantly being refinanced. And as we take on new debt, we have to go out and pay for that at new rates. So whether you're refinancing it, or you're taking on a new debt. For every $1 trillion, that we either refinance or take on a new debt, that will be an extra 100 billion dollars. That is added to our interest service on the debt. So stuff we've always paid for.

It's not like when the fed's fund rate goes pick up. It automatically increases the debt, but it does trip through intervals through to the ten-year yields, and the three-year yields, and the two-year yields, which is the way that we have to finance our debt, and what's paid for.

GLENN: Right. So if we did -- have to redo five trillion dollars in our debt, which is not unusual.

If we had to buy and refinance another 5 trillion on our debt, that would add a trillion dollars' worth of debt. Would it not?

Because we've gone up two points. Or we will have gone up two points.

MEGAN: Yeah. That's correct. Yes.

GLENN: Yeah. Holy cow.

CAROL: Yeah. The projections.

GLENN: At what point -- at what interest rate --

CAROL: I was going to say, if you look at the CBO projections. They project out into the future. And the numbers in terms of the debt, and what we'll be paying on it in the future.

And they're using conservative numbers. They're not even expecting these fed rates, would absolutely blow your mind.

It becomes the largest item, that the government has to pay for, which obviously takes away spending from other areas. And/or increases your taxes.

GLENN: Unless you're using modern monetary theory, which we are now basically using, modern monetary theory. Which means, you can print whatever you want. The government doesn't have to worry about it.

But that's impala -- I mean, they said it in Sri Lanka. They're using modern monetary theory. And it's wiped them out. Wiped them out.

CAROL: Yeah, this is basically the concept of what's happening here, in terms of our liabilities.

They're trying to take a dollar from your left pocket, move it to your right pocket. And go, oh, look. You have a new dollar. You know, that's not the way any of this works.

And we're all feeling the effects of this fantastical buy-in to magic money tree, aka MMT, Modern Monetary Theory. The idea that just because you have the printing press, that you can keep printing money, without having a subsequent effect on the that are. You know, the money is supposed to stand for productivity. You earned this. This is a stable representation of your productivity.

If you double or triple or quadruple the amount of -- of those dollars, without increasing productivity, then each one of those, in turn, is worth less. And that is what is happening, and that's why the value of our dollar is being eroded. Go back to that 1970's Saturday Night Live skit with Dan Aykroyd, pretending to be Jimmy Carter. You know, we'll all be millionaires. And we'll be driving around in cars, that cost, you know, $20 million. So it starts great from a top line standpoint, until you kind of get into it.

GLENN: Right. Okay.

So most people put their money in their IRA, and until they get older, they don't even look at it.

And that's probably a good thing, when you're dealing with the stock market. You just leave it in. And it has its ups and downs. And you start looking at it, when you're maybe 50 or 60. And you're like wait a minute. And start to make sure that it's secure. Because there's not a long horizon, that you're looking at.

What's happening to people's 401(k)s, right now, and what can they do?

CAROL: So there was a research study that I picked up, that came out. And they said, from the beginning of the year to June of this year, people have lost $3.4 trillion in their retirement funds, between 401(k)s and IRAs. This doesn't include any other money that may have been in the market. And this is, you know, a horrendous situation, that has been, you know, completely fueled by fed policy. Really going all the way back to the fed chair Alan Greenspan, who decided, he was going to never let the market fall too much, without having some intervention. Then in the Great Recession, financial crisis, Ben Bernanke took that, put it on steroids. And Glenn Powell and his group have done, has been completely crazy. And we are living through these crazy boom-and-bust cycles. I'm sure most of you have noticed that over the last several decades, things are very different, than they were in the decades before. You know, more of these huge booms and busts. And the reality is, that the people who are already wealthy and well-connected, who have that -- that long-term staying power.

They don't mind this at all, because they benefit when everything goes up, and then when everything goes bust.

And, you know, you as -- you know, as somebody who is panicking, and not sure what to do, you take your money out of the market. Or perhaps, you know, in the great financial -- the Great Recession, financial crisis, your home is foreclosed on. You know, all these things have been, and they fall on the shoulders of the little guy.

And then these -- you know, I call them vulture capitalists, come in. Well-capitalized, buy everything up, at pennies on the dollar. And then are positioned for the next boom cycle of interference.

And this is just an epic wealth transfer. It's been happening on an accelerated basis for decades and decades, and is the outgrowth of just this just horrible central banking experiments, that have gone wrong. And has been a complete menace to society, and to the wealth creation opportunities for the average American.

GLENN: So what do people do?

CAROL: So if you can --

GLENN: I think -- I think we're losing the -- I think we're losing the idea of retirement for a lot of people.

I just -- I don't think that retirement is going to be a thing of the -- of the near future.

CAROL: Yeah. Yeah. Certainly not at the ages, that I think people perhaps were expecting. Because you don't know what's around the corner.

This is where I encourage everybody to talk to their financial adviser. Because each person's scenario is so different. And depending on your time frame, you know, because of these boom-and-bust cycles that are caused by fed and central planning, you know, timing is really important. You know, depending on when it is, you decide to change your portfolio structure.

Change everything in your life. But if you are younger, and you have that ability to have the staying power. You want to do the same thing, that the well-capitalized people are doing. And wait for those bust cycles and be able to participate, as a vulture capitalist. Even though if it's on a smaller scale. And buy low. And ride the upside to that. But you need to have that planning in place. Because we are now living in a way that is not free market. It's completely driven by this sort of externality. And that means, that, you know, timing changes. And if you're somebody who is retiring in a bad cycle, you know, you'll feel that burden on an exponential factor.

GLENN: So I have one more question for you, Carol. Let me take a one-minute break, and talk about what all of this is doing.

What's happening is the president just said, hey, you have to be able to retire. And so I believe he just guaranteed all of the union pension. So that means, I'm now paying for union pensions, if they default. Which is insanity! But, again, it's just another give away. I predicted this, I think in 2009. That the government would step in, and take all the union pensions, I guarantee it.

But that -- that means, everybody else is paying for it.

And we're struggling our own selves. I want to talk to you a bit about that. And then also, if this is what is happening here, what is all of this doing to our countries? That have to pay for things, in dollars?

Back with Carol Roth in just a second. Sixty seconds, and we're back.

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GLENN: So, Carol, first of all, explain what the president did with the unions.

CAROL: So he still is running around, talking about the American rescue plan, which is, you know, hilarious. He's got absolutely nothing to hang his hat on.

So he's going back, running back, and talking about what he did in March 2021. Now, obviously, he's not talking about all the bad things that came out of that. You know, things like -- the stimulus, that caused inflation.

And raising the reporting requirements for Etsy. And e Bay. Or lowering them, excuse me, from $20,000. To $600. Because all those millionaires with $600 a pound. We need to crack down on them.

He's hanging his hat on a piece of the legislation. That was in that, that was called the (inaudible) Louis Act. And, basically, that was, we're going to -- to be the guarantor of the union pensions.

Now, we've been told that unions are very important. You know, they need to be there, in order to secure people's futures, and be there for the workers.

But apparently, they're not real good at managing the pensions. So now we need to get involved.

So he touted, this is going to impact, several million pensions. Some of the reports, I'm seeing, are downplaying that number. And saying, it's fewer.

But basically, what they did, is that there was a pension, Guaranteed Corp, and they allowed them to do some things, and change some things around, and make sure that these pensions were solvent. But what they didn't do was actually anything structural, to fix the pensions.

So just like, you know, Social Security. All of the, you know, state pensions, union pensions.

Like whatever it is, that typically has a defined benefit attached to it. It ends up being a huge drag or a huge burden on everybody. And, you know, not solvent. They just kick the can down the road. But since he had absolutely no other accomplishments to hang his hat on, this is what he was talking about. And with the part of it, that really bothered me. And why I wrote the piece from TheBlaze. Again, this is the picking of winners and losers, that we keep seeing, over and over again, with the government. And in this particular case, they're going to focus on making sure that the union folks, don't lose 40 percent of their pension. But as I just told you. You know, through June this year, they said $3.4 trillion was lost from 401(k)s and retirement funds, for other Americans who aren't affiliated with the unions. So that to me, seems again, just this government picking of winners and losers. And certainly, if you're going to do that. You would think, that wouldn't want to be one thing you want to brag about. Maybe you want to do that on the down low. But, you know, he's out there touting that as his accomplishment.

GLENN: All right. Carol, we will we have to cut you loose. I have to get back to an Ohio story in just a second. Would you come back?

I want to -- we are crippling nations all over. Especially emerging nations.

They are going to be starving to death soon. Some of them. And they have to pay their own debt back in dollars. Dollars are becoming more expensive for them. The world is going to hate us soon, I fear. We'll talk about that, when you come back. Thank you so much, Carol.

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Meet the pro-Intifada candidate NYC Democrats just elected

New York City Democrats just elected 33-year-old Zohran Mamdani, a "socialist Muslim", as the Party's candidate for mayor. But Glenn Beck argues that his radical beliefs are actually communist and Islamist.

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VOICE: Z10852. Something weird is going on. The World Trade Center is on fire.

VOICE: Seriously the top of the building. We're trying to get information.

VOICE: Top level of one of the --

VOICE: To unfold from New York City.

VOICE: A plane crashed just --

VOICE: My sister is in that believe. I hope she's okay. I have to come to New York.

VOICE: It's pandemonium.

VOICE: It's raining papers.

VOICE: Wait a minute! Stop just a second. Why are we -- why are we -- I've got breaking news. Breaking news, yesterday. New York City just elected as their mayoral candidate for the left. And the Democrats, a -- a Muslim radical, who is also a communist!

So, you know, it only took you 25 years. It only took you 25 years, New York, to go completely insane.

Somebody who is -- well, I mean, if I might quote Michael malice today. I am old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9/11 instead of voting for it.

But you've got a -- you've got a communist jihadist apologist now.

Who was -- you know, well, CAIR put $100,000 behind his bid for New York City mayor.

So you have somebody who is endorsed by CAIR. That's really good.

He also was somebody who said, you know, he was -- he was for the shooting of the United Health Care CEO.

Said he was looking forward to driving down magnum Joan avenue. I don't know. Sounds like supporting people in the streets. Maybe it's just me.

Then he also said that he was going to globalize the intifada, which I think that's -- maybe -- maybe that's just me.

I mean, what do I know?

Tim Miller who is a podcaster. Asked him a few weeks ago. Asked him about his pro Palestinian slogan. Globalized the intifada. And he said, for me, ultimately, what I hear in so many, is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights, in standing up for Palistinian human rights. Oh, is that what you hear, Mr. CAIR?

Really? Huh, that's interesting.

Right. So globalize the intifada.

I mean, I mean, sure, that's -- I mean well, let me go on.

Because I don't want to take him out of context.

He then delved into the semantics of the intifada, citing the United States Holocaust memorial museum's use of a word for a translation for uprising, in an Arabic version of an article, a museum published about the Warsaw ghetto.

Oh!

So this is just a comparison, about the -- the armed rebellion against the Nazis!

I don't know if that makes me feel better!

I mean, if we're globalizing that.

We're the Nazis in this scenario.

Because I don't think it's the Palestinians.

I certainly don't think it's anybody who is like, hey.

Global jihad. I don't think it's those guys.

Or the Nazis. Who are the Nazis in that?

And it seems, if that's what you mean, then it's not just a harmless kind of slogan about human rights. It is a call for violence on the streets.

Because I don't know if you know, that's what happened when the Jews had their uprising against the Nazis.

I'm just saying!

But, hey, hey, free Palestine.

Oh, that's not what that means, gang. That is not what that means, but don't worry about it. He's just going to be possibly the new mayor.

And that's great. By the way, the Columbia faculty members signed a letter defending Hamas.

They were also among the donors to his mayoral campaign.

So, you know, you don't have anything to worry about.

And his father, who used to work at Columbia. Do you know, Stu?

Is his Dad -- is he still a professor at Columbia University?

He said that -- this violent terror thing of Islam, is not a part of Islam. Now, I've read the Koran, and much of the hadith.

And I'm pretty sure the violence is a part of that. But no.

No. This is something entirely new.

And his father while at Columbia university, wanted everybody to know, that this is actually -- this is something that came out of America!

America is really responsible for this.

And, you know, it really started with the Reagan administration, you know, when he started -- when he started with his very religious terms, to finish the war against the evil empire.

So, you know, that's where -- that's where 9/11 came from.

Is what -- don't worry about it! Don't worry about it!

Because who am I? I'm clearly just -- am I an anti-Semite today, or am I an Islamophobic? I can't remember which one.

Oh, it's probably both. Anyway, Islamophobia. Let me just explain Islamophobia. I haven't even gotten to the Communist part of it. Which is really, really -- New York, you're in one for hell of a ride. Buckle up.

It will be a fun rollercoaster for you. My gosh, I've never been happier that I've been away are if New York.

Anyway, I just want I to know, there is Islam. And then there is Islamists. Now, an Islamist is somebody who really wants Sharia law.

That's political Islam!

That's not a faith. That's political Islam.

Now, let me make really -- something really clear. Criticizing Islamism, is not Islamophobia. Pointing out the dangers of, oh. I don't know.

Political Islam. The ideology that seeks to use the tools of democracy, ultimately to destroy democracy, is not an attack on Muslims.

No. Uh-uh.

You know why?

Because Muslims are often the first people in line.

The first victims of the ideology.

So let's draw a bright, bright line between Islam as a faith, millions of people can practice that faithfully and peacefully.

It's mostly peaceful, okay?

Then there's the Islamism.

Islamism is something entirely -- that's a political project.

A theocratic political -- oh. Left loves theocracies. They love it.

Of course, you never see a problem with it.

See it when an Islamist is touting it. Anyway, it's not about prayer. It's not about fasting. It's not about spiritual life.

It's all about power. It's about merging of mosque and state. It's about implementing Sharia, not as a personal code of conduct. But as a governing legal system.

And it's -- it's supremacy.

Absolutely. Faith.

Religion.

It's -- there's one thing that's supreme.

It's misogynistic.

Deeply intolerant of all kinds of things.

Descent. Secularism. Other faiths. Even competing interpretations from inside the faith itself.

It will behead them too.

So let's -- let's be honest here for a second.

You know, CAIR should be labeled an international terror organization.

In my opinion. In my opinion.

Oh, does that make me -- that makes me an Islamophobe. I'm sure. I'm sure they will start a campaign against me on being an Islamophobe.

Stand in line, guys. You've been doing it since 2001, okay?

I don't really care. And I don't think the American people. I think that record, all the grooves are worn-out on that one, okay?

This is not a religion we're talking about. When we're talking about Sharia law. And we're talking about globalize the intifada. What does that mean, actually, to globalize it?

Does that mean we now want to do what is happening to Israel? All over the world?

Has the Palestinian plight become our plight you now, as Americans?

That there has to be an intifada here!

Because it's the kind of the same. You know. It's kind of the same over, you know, with what the Palestinians are going through.

Well, it's very much like what the Jews went through with the Nazis.

That's a weird one. That one makes my head hurt. It's very much the same as that. And very much the same as the fight against Donald Trump.

Oh, this is going to be fun. It's fun!

Really fun. You know, the irony here is, the ones that will scream Islamophobia the most, are the ones in the progressive left, the champions of feminism, LGBTQ rights. And secularism.

They're going to -- no. You want -- they're going to stand with the people, who want to kill them first.

See, this is how smart they are!

This is why it's going to work out well, in New York City.

Let me just say. If you have an ounce of common sense, you run a business, you have an ounce of wealth. And I don't mean wealth like, you know, hey, Lovey.

Let's get on the boat for a three-hour tour with a suitcase full of cash. I mean you saved anything, anything, get the hell out of New York City.

I mean, this is about survival. This is about free speech. This is about women's rights.
Religious pluralism. Secular legal systems. Liberal democracy.

But it's also about failed principles of Communism. Okay?

First, you have to call out political Islam for what it is. Okay?

And we have to do it with the clarity that we call out white nationalism.

Got to do it with that. Got to -- you know, the Klan. Really bad people.

Really bad people.

Anybody who is shouting for globalized intifada?

Pretty bad. Pretty bad people.

Okay?

Now, let's get to communism.

Because that's another cool, cool angle of the new Democratic candidate for -- for mayor of New York City.

That I just -- I think is cuddly and cute. Sure, it led to 100 million deaths. But this time, New York is going to be radically different. Oh, did I use the word radical?

I didn't mean to use that. What's radical about this guy?

Nothing. He's just like you!

Well, not exactly.

But let's talk about communism, next!

Now, the new mayoral candidate that's running there in New York City. That so many young people rushed to defend and vote for. He's promising free buses.

That's going to work out.

Where are you going to get the money for free buses.

It's free!

City-run grocery stores.

Oh, rent freezes. And finally somebody has done it. A 30-dollar minimum wage.

So under the banner of equity. And, you know, we will tax the wealthy. And the corporations. You know, we're going to squeeze another $10 billion out of them.

Really?

Because they're going to call a U-Haul.

You know, they will call something like U-Haul. There will be a lot of -- there will be a lot of movers that are like, how do I get the truck back from Texas or Florida back up to New York? Nobody is moving up there.

But he's going to do it.

Now, his vision isn't really new. You know, just -- just tax people, so we could have city-run grocery stores. You know, I remember -- I'm old enough to remember those city-run grocery stores in Moscow.

They were great.

The shelves were empty.

But that's just Moscow.

It worked out completely different in Venezuela.

Where, oh, no.

It didn't. That's right. The grocery store.

They were eating the zoo animals.

But it will be different in New York.

Because they have rent controls too.

And that will just choke the housing supply, but don't worry. As a young family.

You know, you voted for it.

You know better.

It will work this time.

So, you know, I like building ideas, I just don't like usually building on the graves of 100 million people.

But, you know, why not? Why not?

You know, use this dogma.

And this time, it will be different. It's not like it was in China. Where the great leap forward, was a gross -- a gross parody of progress. Venezuela, which was oil rich. One of the richest nations in the hemisphere now sees 90 percent of its population in poverty!

Yeah. Darn it. You know what they did?

They decided to take state control of things.

You know, like grocery stores. And it worked out well. How is that free busing working out in Venezuela?

I just want to -- I just want to know.

Anyway, then you've got the globalize the intifada. Which is going to drop a little violence in, and anti-Semitism in with your communism.

Which is weird!

Because violence and anti-Semitism, always happen. When it -- when it comes to -- when it comes to communism.

This is weird!

I've got to play something for you. Because this has talked about on me earlier this morning.

Oh, wow.

Wait a minute. This is -- this is the whole coalition coming together here.

So this is going to be good. New York, this is going to be great.

It's going to be great for you.

No. He's going to uplift you. Then the social fabric of New York City is just going to be -- just one.

It's going to be fantastic. Don't worry about your 120 billion dollars in debt. Or your 10 billion-dollar deficit that you have right now.

You are going to charge the rich more taxes, and they will stay right there.

They will be like, you know what, that 46 percent in taxes that I'm paying, this is just not enough. It's just not enough.

I need to pay 60 or 70 percent to be able to pay my fair share. So that's good. That's good. That's good.

You know, they're not risking 100 million people. It's just 8 million people.

This time, it's just 8 million people.

But, hey. For those of you in upstate New York. That aren't going to be part of this experiment.

Don't worry, you get to pay for it. Because they'll kick it up to the state. The state will have to subsidize everything. And don't you love it?

Really, don't you want to subsidize the really crazy ideas of New York City?

I mean, why don't you have a -- why don't you have a democratic socialist. A/k/a communist mayor.

Why haven't you done that? Are you not progressive enough? Are you not looking into the future?

Are you stuck in the past?

I don't know. I don't know. The graveyard is pretty big. I have a hard time getting past that one. You know, yeah, so I'm stuck in the past. Because I can't seem to pass that graveyard, and get to be down the path with you. But it's going to be a paradise.

Forget arithmetic. You know, or human nature. This time, it's going to work. It's going to work. So all right!

Wish I lived in this morning.

No wait. Nope. I don't. Nope, I don't.

And Ted Cruz, stop it. Stop writing, hey, come to Texas. No. No. Don't come to Texas. Don't come to Florida. Go to California. It's beautiful this time of year. Go there. Go there.