The House of Representatives has ousted Rep. Kevin McCarthy as speaker. But was this move — supported by only 8 Republicans and every Democrat — a smart one? BlazeTV host Mark Levin holds nothing back as he joins Glenn to give his thoughts: "This is one of the dumbest ass wars I have ever seen." Levin explains his biggest disagreement with Rep. Matt Gaetz, who spearheaded the ousting: "If you're gonna blow up the House, blow it up for the right reason." And he urges Republicans who are happy about the ousting to remember one thing moving forward (which also happens to be the title of his newest book): "The Democrat Party HATES America."
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GLENN: My friend Mark Levin. How are you, sir?
MARK: I'm great. Thank you.
GLENN: What is your take on what happened yesterday in the House?
MARK: Well, I've been very outspoken about this, and a lot of people want to get behind Matt Gaetz. I'm not one of them.
So I guess I'm a neocon RINO sellout.
GLENN: Don't you hate this? Don't you hate this?
MARK: I will put it on my business card. Look, you and I spent decades fighting these wars. This is one of the dumbest ass wars I've ever seen. Why? You've got guys who claim to be conservative. One of them Nancy Mace, votes against McCarthy because he wouldn't put an abortion bill on the floor. He wouldn't put a gun control bill on the floor.
She's a complete head case. You have another guy, Andy Biggs, president of the state Senate in Arizona, who blocked Convention of States. He runs for Congress, he wins. He wants to replace us. And then Arizona becomes one of 20 states passing a resolution for Convention of States. That's where my head is. Convention of States. Then you have another guy. This guy from Tennessee. That nobody ever heard of before. Why is he mad?
Because he said, McCarthy criticized the coalition when he spoke of something. I'm like, I'm not a special pleader for McCarthy. And I'm not a special pleader for Gaetz. I call them as I see them.
And so he says what he says. You know why he voted for McCarthy?
Because he chaired a subcommittee. And he said, he worked really hard on this UFO issue. And he wanted to chair this committee on the UFOs. And Comber told him, he's not going to lie to him.
And he got very angry.
That's why he votes against McCarthy. Then we have Gaetz, who goes to the floor of the House. And I'm listening them very, very carefully. This is very important.
And he says, we didn't have regular order. He promised us 12 bills.
I had Thomas Massie on the show, who is a long-time Libertarian conservative. He's the best of the best.
GLENN: I love him.
MARK: He said, that's not what happened. You have to get these bills out of committee.
The Democrats were laddering up these things.
It was the conservatives who killed them in committee.
We couldn't get these bills to the floor. It has nothing to do with violating a promise or anything else.
And he said my show, you can't have it both ways. Regular order. Or whatever comes out of the committee, goes to the floor. And at the same time, we need to cut the budget.
He said, the Democrats were playing us.
And others. Voted against the committee, so it couldn't get to the floor.
So listening to him, and I said, well, then, what's this?
12 bill stuff that Gaetz -- he says, Gaetz knows this.
I said, okay. Then I listed myself. Gaetz say, we have a 33 trillion-dollar debt.
And I said, on the air, I don't remember Gaetz speaking up against all this COVID spending.
Massey, he never did. Not once.
I said, well, that was $3 trillion, right there. They wanted to spend $6 trillion.
Almost none of it went to, quote, unquote, COVID. Or the pandemic.
I'm telling you, that if you're going to blow up the House. Blow it up for the right reasons.
I worked for the administration. We shut the government down eight times. Exactly why we shut it down.
He wanted an MX missile system. He wouldn't give them to them. He wanted weapons in Europe. To defeat the Soviets. Which is what happened.
And he shouted at it, until he got it.
Very specific. This is -- we have a 33 trillion-dollar debt to debt. Let's burn down Washington.
Okay. Great. So what are they going to do in you?
GLENN: That was my question.
MARK: The budget now. They can't control it.
GLENN: I would love to -- you know, I'm not a fan of McCarthy. However, what is your plan now? You don't run away from something. You run towards something.
They weren't running toward anything. Who were they running to? Who was going to take it?
MARK: They ran towards the squad and Hakeem Jeffries. Behind the scenes, they were working with them, while complaining that McCarthy is working with -- I don't want any of them working with them, for anything.
Fifteen percent of the Democrats in the House are Marxists. They're outspoken, quote, unquote, democratic socialists.
Why the hell are you working with these progressive caucuses. And going to whatever, Jamala, whatever. Trying to coordinate with her. Why are you going to AOC, like you have a real love lust for the woman?
It's constant. And then you're raising money on it? And that's right -- sending -- putting together lists to run for governor.
Well, at least I'm not paid for by the special -- hey, bro.
You know the 20-point Republican preference.
You are referencing the Republican panhandle of Florida. And those are wonderful patriots.
They're never going to vote for Democrats. Then you have this guy from Montana, who ran for the Senate, and lost last time. And wants to run again.
And he says, he prayed for a very small Republican majority in the House. So he and the others would have -- wow, that's unconstitutional. So he runs the House of Representatives with the Democrats?
Let me tell you something. He made sure he won his election. But he didn't want enough people to come in, or we had a big majority.
You know, there's a lot of patriotic people, that lost in that midterm election. That many of us voted for.
Like here in northern Virginia.
He lost by 1 percent. In a purple, or actually more blue district.
Loughton County, Virginia, for God's sake. Am I glad he lost?
So Rosendale has more power?
This guy is from Montana. He has nothing to do with me.
And so you've got -- there's so many weird things going on.
And people need to scratch their heads and ask this.
Is Chip Roy a RINO? Is Byron Donalds a RINO? Is Jim Jordan? Is every other member of the Freedom Caucus, who voted against these guys, are they RINOs too?
No. There's a difference between anarchy and constitutional conservatism. Read your Constitution, folks.
There's no anarchy in there. There's no mobocracy. They oppose the mobocracy.
They oppose the central government. You know this.
They set up a complex government system.
Our only hope is the House of Representatives. With a tiny majority.
That Senate Republicans have sold us out.
Here's the bottom line. That man is still as they proposed. It was negotiated by Chip Roy and Byron Donalds.
With Ted Cruz and other conservative Republicans in the Senate.
The plan was that this would pass.
The greatest cut in a short-term CR, probably in American history. Certainly in our lifetime.
30 percent protecting the Defense Department. The Border Patrol. And veterans.
That was it. So that would affect the FBI. It would affect the Department of Justice.
It would affect all this stuff.
And it was negotiated by the conservatives. Got it to the Senate.
So we have some leverage over Mitch McConnell.
Who is a real SOB. That guy.
Every time. Five of them chosen. They said, in. Shut the government down. They said, shut it down.
This is better. We won't know what we will get if we shut it down.
Do this. We have the support. We have negotiated with the RINOs and everything else.
Let's do it. And they kill it.
That's why I've had it with these people. And people shouldn't just follow them.
They're doing nothing. Zero.
And I'll tell you one other thing. I would not negotiate with Hakeem Jeffries, and these democratic Marxists in the squad, and all the rest of them.
If you put a gun to my head. These people are destroying my country, at every turn.
They are the enemy.
Not adversaries. They are the enemy. And you're cutting deals with them.
And then you're sending, you're the true believer. You're cutting deals with the democratic majority?
And now we're going to have a bigger, bloated budget?
The border will remain open, because part of that bill they opposed, had the strictest restrictions on the border, ever cashed by the House of Representatives.
I read it, it's unbelievable. Would it pass the Senate?
Well, I don't control the Senate.
Well, it would give us something to negotiate with.
Look at the house. Look at what they passed, Mr. McConnell. We have to do something about this. Now they have nothing.
And so I would ask people who are defending and promoting these people.
Do you know who they are?
How do you know the guy from Tennessee?
How many of you know a guy from Montana?
How many of you really know about Nancy when is a complete head case, out of South Carolina?
So this is my problem. That we have had good momentum going in.
Forget about personalities.
McCarthy. I don't care. We had good momentum going in.
And now we're stuck.
Everything -- everything is frozen.
GLENN: And --
MARK: And we're packing the most conservative body we have. It's not conservative enough. The presidency is gone. The Senate is gone. The courts are gone. We have a five-vote majority in the House. We're doing more with that five-vote majority than anybody.
And we just crippled it. That's my take, Glenn.
GLENN: You know, the one thing I love about having a talk show host on.
Is I asked a question about 11 minutes ago.
And it was a great answer. I know. I didn't want to.
It was a great answer.
All right. I want to talk to you about -- all right. I don't think there's anything more plain.
The Democratic Party hates America.
So before we get to the book. How much time do you have, first of all, can I keep you until about a quarter until?
MARK: Actually, yes. I have a lifetime, my brother. How are you?
GLENN: I mean, this is the opposite end of the clock for you too. I mean, you're getting up, and you're this fired up. I love it.
So, Mark, first, let me ask you, do you see a plan? Is there a plan? Is there something that we're hoping for at this point?
MARK: No. I would love to see one. I mean, when the case is asked, who would he accept? He starts with naming liberal members of the House.
I thought, holy crap.
I don't know what the plan is. I don't even know who would want to be speaker at this point.
Forget about McCarthy and so forth.
And the way that works is, from the propaganda point of view. These guys will claim victory, no matter what happens.
So, in other words, let's say they actually -- let's say a Jim Jordan. Who I love.
GLENN: Yes. And they will say, you wouldn't have Jim Jordan.
They have it all planned out.
And the fact of the matter is, one of the biggest supporters of the previous speaker was Jim Jordan.
And he even gave a speech on the floor.
Why? He said, because he let us do what we needed to do.
He never interfered.
He said, whatever you need, I'll take care of it. So forth. So on.
The Rules Committee. There were more conservatives on the Rules Committee in the history of the House of Representatives. Then they had Tom Massey on there, Byron Donalds on there, and another conservative.
Chip Roy, who had the power to block anything, and to promote anything.
And so he said, he's been in the House for a while now.
He said, he came in at the same time, McCarthy did.
And he said, it's never been more open.
And he said, it's on open. That everybody in agreement, was thinking about running against him.
So that's how you get the Nancy Maces in there, and these other people in there.
And that's why, and then Chip Roy -- sometimes we have to accept victory. Well, we have a 30 percent cut, in the ordered security bill, which is the strongest kind of -- that the House has ever passed.
This is -- this is a 30-day bill.
Why the hell wouldn't we just pass it?
I said, it beats me.
That's why I'm not a politician. I couldn't figure you guys out, to be perfectly honest with you.
GLENN: You know, you said, Mark, that the democratic party.
I think you said, 60 percent are named Marxists. They are fine with being democratic Marxists or socialists.
MARK: That's correct.
GLENN: How did this happen?
MARK: Well, here's the truth: The fact is, that's the point of the book. You're very good. It's a very good segue there.
GLENN: Thank you.
MARK: I just wanted to say, everything I know I learned from Glenn.
GLENN: Yeah, right.
MARK: You are. You are top shelf, baby.
Look, here's the bottom line with this book. The book explains that the Democrat Party has never accepted America's founding. It has never accepted its principles.
We wouldn't have had a civil war, if it wasn't for the Democratic Party. The vast majority of Americans, I don't even know if owned slaves. Ever met slaves.
Even in the South, a tiny percentage, tiny. Think about -- don't get me wrong. But not the vast majority of the people in the south. There were two quarters that owned slaves. Slavery was an abomination.
And who perpetuated it? The Democratic Party. Who was prepared to destroy the country to defend it?
The Democrat Party. The party who considers it.
Look, we don't have enough time.
The book is 400 pages.
I will tell you this, I decided to take all their icons. FDR.
GLENN: Good for you.
MARK: The Kennedy family. Lyndon Johnson.
People wouldn't have learned things about these people, they couldn't have possibly known. Because the Democratic Party writes our history -- or I should say, rewrites our history.
So all the things, the Democrat Party today condenses. And we condense.
Back in our history, it's their history.
I mean, they did this to the country.