RADIOMay 30, 2025

RFK Jr. just RETURNED common sense to the medical field

Under RFK Jr., the Department of Health and Human Services is now recommending against WPATH’s pro-trans “gender affirming care” guidelines. “Welcome to the return of common sense in medicine,” Glenn Beck says. Glenn discusses the game-changing policy change and how America’s doctors got here in the first place.

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GLENN: I've got some good news. There's a lot of good news today.

This one comes from the HHS. There's a huge victory announced yesterday.

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All right. Let me give you some good news here. This is a post that came from X yesterday.

Came from the Health and Human Services department.

They -- let me just read them to you.

HHS sent a letter to health care providers. Risk managers. And state medical boards. Urging immediate updates to treatment protocols for minors with gender dysphoria. Based on HHS comprehensive review that found puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries have very weak evidence of benefit, but carry risk of significant harms, including sterilization.

Providers should no longer rely on discredited guidelines that promote these dangerous interventions for children and adolescents based on ideology and not evidence.

Wow!

Welcome to the return of common sense in medicine!

Now, RFK wrote that providers should avoid relying on the world professional health association for transgender health. That's WPATH. Remember?

We talked about that years ago when it first started coming out.

Ask it was insanity. So now health care providers should not rely on that from HHS.

It was one year ago, we did a special on -- exposing them for being ideological fraudsters.

WPATH.

And, you know, they were doing -- I mean, this is Frankenstein. This is Frankenstein-like experiments on children and the mentally ill. All done with the support of the medical community, in the name of science and gender-affirming care. It's over.

Our doctors took them seriously. They shouldn't have.

Now, here's what CNN said. Kennedy's letter warns providers to avoid relying on guidelines for the World Professional Association of Transgender Health on care, and transgender and diverse people.

These and other guidelines based on so-called gender-affirming model of care should not be relied upon for the harm of our children any further, the letter says.

Good, good.

Kennedy says, it's time for our doctors to update now all the protocols.

Amen.

This is big news.

This is the first big step, pulling us out of this death cult.

I mean, when you are chemically castrating our children in America. And the doctors are calling that a good step forward! That's a spiritual disease.

And a lot of people voted for Donald Trump. Because they wanted to see an end to this.

And I hope this means, that there's an end to it. Dr. Oz is working on this too, again from CNN.

The centers for Medicare and Medicaid services, also announced Wednesday.

That was yesterday. It was launching an oversight initiative into hospitals that perform experimental sex trait modification procedures on children.

Administrator Dr. Oz said CMS will not turn a blind eye to the procedures that lack a solid foundation of evidence and may result in life-long harm.

Good! We're not turning a blind eye to the children anymore. And we're saying, this is wrong to do.

And we're taking the right steps. Now, all of this can be changed.

In the next election. I mean, I hope not. But so much can change between now and 2028 when we elect another president. But I hope we start to see real improvement.

I know that a majority of Americans, for the first time. Can you tell me, when? Stu. We looked this up.

When Americans said, we're on the right track, wrong track. And we looked at it and we were like, wait. We haven't thought we were on the right track since when? Remember, it was a long time.

And for the first time, this is the majority. This is over 50 percent.

STU: That's not -- to be clear, not in every poll. That is a poll that came out that showed that.

Like the Gallup polls are very much in the negative.

GLENN: Well, let me rain on your parade too.

Yeah. Those pants do make your butt look fat. I mean, what is that?

STU: I would say, it's up a little bit. Even in the polls that show it's still negative.

It's going in the right direction.

GLENN: In the right direction.

STU: So that's good. That's a pop.

I'm glad that we are maybe catching up to Europe on this one. It's great to see.

GLENN: Well, we want to be more like Europe, right? I mean, jeez.

STU: In this one particular incident, oddly, we do.

They figure this out before us. Usually they're far to the left of us, and we're always tracking toward their left-wing positions.

It seems like they have actually woken up before us. Which is, I think stunning. But I'm positive -- I'm glad to see that -- certainly, you know, Trump is not on this bandwagon. And now that he's in office, he can start reversing this kind of nonsense.

GLENN: You know what is amazing is, you know, we've had so many discussions on this. How many of them have actually been based in science?

Most of them are shouting you're a hatemonger. Or you just want to kill people.

Or you just hate transgender, all that crap. Have you ever heard of the Dunning–Kruger effect?

STU: Yes. Yes. I have.

GLENN: You know what it is?

STU: Yeah, you probably can help me with a better definition. But my remembrance of it is people who know very little about a topic, tend to be the most confident at the beginning.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: And then it kind of goes way down their confidence, as they learn more. And only when they become experts, do they kind of say, hey. You know, there's a lot of nuance in the way they speak.

GLENN: Correct. Correct.

And it's -- it carries another part to it. And my -- my who can't understand mother knew this. I mean, I think all of our grandmothers knew this. Stupid people just don't know that they're stupid. They have no idea that they're stupid.

STU: That's better. That's a better explanation.

GLENN: And we are living on the Dunning–Kruger.

Or we're living under the Freddy Krueger effect.

I don't know which our society is embracing, but stupid people just don't know they're stupid.

And they get just a little bit -- and I'm not talking about, oh, I forgot to cancel my free trial stupid.

I mean, butt stupid. And when you're stupid, you feel like a genius.

And when you know a lot, you feel like an imposter.

STU: Yeah. That's totally -- right.

GLENN: Right.

STU: I'm sure, did you notice this, Glenn, sometimes when you're out at a party or something. And you are talking to people.

And they probably come toy. And bring up topics they think I talk about on the air. They know who you are.

They'll bring up something about, I don't know. The Great Reset.

GLENN: Whatever.

STU: Yeah. Progressivism.

And they'll say things. And you're like, oh. Yeah.

No. Sure.

Well, I mean, that's not exactly it.

But I know what you're saying. And it's because you've studied it for a long time. They probably haven't.

They've heard bits and pieces. Maybe seen a little bit on social media. But a lot of times, what carries with that is certainty. Right? They've read a couple of things on social media. They're sure they're right. They bring it to you.

And you're like, you know, sure, I know what you're saying.

GLENN: You know, let me address this on the air. Where I can tell you apart.

What if you're here together, at a party.

No. That is absolutely true.

You remember what I said, everybody was making fun of me.

Glenn Beck was on an apology tour when I left Fox.

You do a lot of thinking. When you go from one of the most, you know, beloved people.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Visible people. To -- to a fat person, that, you know, is -- you know, is now hated by most people.

You know, you tend to think a lot.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: So what I'm saying -- and everything.

What I was saying at the time was, you know, I was so certain of things. And that doesn't mean that I was wrong.

It was just that my approach. I was so certain of things. And the only thing I'm certain of now, is that I'm not certain of anything.

You know what I mean?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: And that's kind of the mantra of my life now. And it's really hard to do this job, and say that.

But it is -- it is what I believe. The only thing I'm truly certain of, is I'm not certain of figure.

STU: Right. And that doesn't mean you don't try to get to the truth. It means that you're constantly reexamining what you believe.

GLENN: Correct.

STU: I think that's where some of the social media world, in this era of media has -- has kind of lost the plot.

In that, you should constantly be pushing yourself. Right?

When you -- when you think you know something, you should constantly be pushing yourself the other direction, just to make sure, get the best arguments for the other side.

You know, there are policies that I agree with. And I want to hear the best policy arguments from the other side, to see if my opinion should change.

You should be thinking that way.

Even, you know, you're not necessarily going to be changing your viewpoint all the time.

You should be thinking, how -- not only to see if you're right.

But to strengthen your argument for what you currently believe.

GLENN: You know, I did an interview with Ro Khanna, last weekend on the podcast.

It was very good.

I don't really agree with him much on anything.

Except our fundamental principles of our country. And what we're founded on.

He's a big government guy. And everything else.

And a guy probably going to run for president.

That's why I did the interview.

You should know where he stands. Et cetera, et cetera.

Basil probably be one of the guys running for president in the democratic party.

And I want you to be informed on him.

So I do the interview.

And I read all of these leftist responses on this.

And saying, look.

You know, Ro Khanna. Can even get on Glenn Beck's Program because he's so reasonable. Well, yeah. That is true. I do like to have reasonable people on. But I really don't have a problem talking to anybody.

It's -- it's not that they're changing -- it's that night Ro Khanna changed me.

I'm open to talk to people I disagree with.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: But the left generally isn't.

You know, I'm open to talking to people.

If you can have a conversation.

If you enter the conversation with absolute certainty, well, then, I can't have a conversation with you.

Because all that it's going to end up being is a bash fest.

Well, you're just too stupid to understand.

Well, who is the stupid one, honestly?

This is where it gets uncomfortable.

Statistically speaking, someone in the room here is the dumbest person. And since it's just you and me, I've got some bad news for you.

You know, and -- and nobody -- nobody -- you know, everybody thinks that way.

And they don't think. Well, maybe -- hang on. Let me listen.

Because I might learn something from somebody.

And, you know, look at the arrogance on the doctors, going back to the original story. Which brought this up.

The doctors just started touting things they didn't actually know.

Because the science did not back it up.

Not enough science had been done.

The ones that weren't arrogant, were the ones honestly in Sweden. And the -- the Netherlands.

That actually looked at the science. They were doing it.

And then they looked at the science. And they looked at the studies. And they said, you know what, we have to stop this.

Because it's not right. It's not what we thought it was. But we continued to just double down and double down.

And it was without any information. This is why I asked earlier today.

What was I talking about?

Oh, we were talking about the new approach by the State Department.

Which Marco Rubio is just killing it. And they -- they are starting to pull the out these. You know, they've got a -- you know, a Substack.

And I read one of them, at the beginning of the podcast today.

And it was really, really amazing, that it was coming from our State Department.

And it should be something that everybody agrees with.

And, quite honestly, every Democrat, I know, would agree with it.

Would have agreed with it. But now that it's coming from the Trump administration, they won't agree with anything.

And I said, you know, I know why I've changed. I've changed my mind on a lot of things.

And I am a different person than I was 20 years ago. And I think that's good.

But I don't think Democrats are the same people either.

And what I would like to know, is what new information did you get, that has allowed you to abandon the freedom of speech, freedom of religion.

All of that?

What got you there?

What got you from a place, that these endless wars don't work, to, yeah. We've got to go in and kick some ass in Ukraine.

And we have to topple Putin.

What changed?

Because I'm not there.

And I would like to just say, I would like to meet you in the same room here, because this is the room. I always thought you were wrong on. You were right!

But now, you've changed! I really want to know, what new information came to you, that made you go, you know. I've been wrong all these years.

You know, what -- what new information came your way, that said, drag shows, in first grade is good for children.

What specifics?

What new information?

Because you would have said, anybody who did that, should have been arrested. It doesn't belong with first graders.

It doesn't matter with the fourth grade. We shouldn't be doing these things that we're doing with our children.

I'm still at that place.

I didn't change on that. I'm still there.

But you did change, if you're on the other side, if you're an average Democrat.

Please, specifically tell me, why?

What new information?

Those are conversations, I think, Americans would love to hear.

Instead of just calling each other names. Tell me, what new information.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think I am, but maybe I am. So give me that new information that you got. And don't make it about Trump, and I won't make it about Biden.

How is that?

EXPOSED: Tim Walz's shocking ties to radical Muslim cleric

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is directly connected in more ways than one to a radical Muslim cleric named Asad Zaman. Zaman's history and ties are despicable, and despite Walz's efforts to dismiss his connection to Zaman, the proof is undeniable. Glenn Beck heads to the chalkboard to connect the dots on this relationship.

Watch the FULL Episode HERE: Glenn Beck Exposes TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS Infiltrating the Democrat Party

Is there a sinister GOP plan to SELL national parks?

Is Sen. Mike Lee pushing a sinister plan to sell our national parks and build “affordable housing” on them? Glenn Beck fact checks this claim and explains why Sen. Lee’s plan to sell 3 million acres of federal land is actually pro-freedom.

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GLENN: Now, let me give you a couple of things, from people I generally respect.

Chris Rufo, I really respect.

I'm totally against selling this land.

Nobody is going to build affordable housing deep in the Olympic Peninsula, which is one of the most beautiful places in the country.

I agree, it's in Washington State. It's on the coast. And it's a rain forest.

I want my kids hiking, fishing, and camping on those lands, not selling them off for some tax credit scam. This is a question I want to ask Mike Lee about.

That's really good. Matt Walsh chimes in, I'm very opposed to the plan. The biggest environmentalist in the country are and always have been, conservatives who like to hunt and fish.

We don't just call ourselves environmentalists, because the label has too much baggage.

And the practice always just means communist. Really, we are naturalists in the tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, and that's why most of us hate the idea of selling off federal lands to build affordable housing or whatever. I want to get to affordable housing here in a second.

Preserving nature is important. It's a shame we haven't -- that we've allowed conservation to become so left-wing coated. It never was historically.

No, and it still isn't.

You're right about one thing, Matt. We are the best conservatives. We actually live in these places. We use these places. We respect the animals. We respect the land. We know how the circle of life works. So I agree with you on that.

But affordable housing. Why do you say affordable housing or whatever?

Are you afraid those will be black people? I'm just playing devil's advocate? Are you just afraid of black people? You don't want any poor people in your neighborhood or your forest?

That's not what they mean by affordable housing.

And I know that's not what you mean either.

But what -- what we mean by affordable housing is, if you take a look at the percentage of land that is owned in some of these states. You can't live in a house, in some of these states, you know. Close to anything, for, you know, less than a million dollars. Because there's no land!

There's plenty of land all around.

Some of it. Let's just talk about Utah.

Some of it is like the surface of the moon!

But no. No. No.

Not going to hunt and fish on the surface of the moon. But we can't have you live anywhere.

I mean, you have to open up -- there is a balance between people and the planet. And I'm sorry. But when you're talked about one half of 1 percent, and we're not talking about Yellowstone.

You know, we're not. Benji Backer, the Daily Caller, he says, the United States is attempting to sell off three million acres of public land, that will be used for housing development through the addition of the spending bill.

This is a small provision to the big, beautiful bill that would put land in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado. Idaho. New Mexico. Oregon. Utah. Washington, and Wyoming at risk.

Without so much as a full and fair debate by members of both sides of the political aisle.

You know, I talked -- I'll talk to him about this.

The irony is, the edition of this provision by Republican-led Senate goes entirely against conservation legacy of a conservation. President Trump made a promise to revive this legacy.

Yada. Yada. Yada.

More about Teddy Roosevelt.

Then let me give you this one from Lomez. Is Mike Lee part of a sinister plan to sell off federal land?

This plan to sell off public lands is a terrible proposal that doesn't make any sense under our present circumstances and would be a colossal political blunder. But I'll try to be fair to base Mike Lee.

And at least have him explain where this is all coming from.

Okay. I will have him do that in about 30 minutes.

Let me give you just my perspective on this.

I'm from the West. I love the west.

I don't hike myself.

I think there's about 80 percent of the people who say, I just love to hike. And they don't love to hike. They never go outside.

I'm at least willing to admit. I don't like to hike. But I love the land. I live in a canyon now. That I would love to just preserve this whole canyon in my lifetime. I'm not going to rule from the grave. But in my lifetime, to protect this, so it remains unspoiled. Because it is beautiful!

But we're talking about selling 3 million acres of federal land. And it's becoming dangerous.

And it's a giveaway. Or a threat to nature.

But can we just look at the perspective here?

The federal government owned 640 million acres. That is nearly 28 percent of all land in America!

How much land do we have?

Well, that's about the size of France.

And Germany. Poland.

And the United Kingdom, combined!

They own and hold pristine land, that is more than the size of those countries combined!

And most of that is west of the Mississippi. Where the federal control smothers the states.

Okay?

Shuts down opportunity. Turns local citizens into tenets of the federal estate.

You can't afford any house because you don't have any land!

And, you know, the states can't afford to take care of this land. You know why the states can't afford it?

Because you can't charge taxes on 70 percent of your land!

Anyway, on, meanwhile, the folks east of the Mississippi, like Kentucky, Georgia. Pennsylvania.

You don't even realize, you know, how little of the land, you actually control.

Or how easy it is for the same policies, to come for you.

And those policies are real.

Look, I'm not talking about -- I'm disturbed by Chris Rufo saying, that it is the Olympic forest.

I mean, you're not going to live in the rain forest. I would like to hear the case on that.

But we're not talking about selling Yellowstone or paving over Yosemite or anything like that.

We're talking about less than one half of one percent of federal land. Land that is remote.
Hard to access. Or mismanaged. I live in the middle of a national forest.

So I'm surrounded on all sides by a national forest, and then BLM land around that. And then me. You know who the worst neighbor I have is?

The federal government.

The BLM land is so badly mismanaged. They don't care what's happening.

Yeah. I'm going to call my neighbor, in Washington, DC, to have them fix something.

It's not going to happen.

If something is wrong with that land, me and my neighbors, we end up, you know, fixing the land.

We end up doing it. Because the federal government sucks at it.

Okay.

So here's one -- less than one half of 1 percent.

Why is it hard to access that land?

Well, let me give you a story. Yellowstone.

Do you know that the American bison, we call it the buffalo.

But it's the American bison.

There are no true American bison, in any place, other than Yellowstone.

Did you know that?

Here's almost an endangered species.

It's the only true American bison, is in Yellowstone.

Ranchers, I would love to raise real American bison.

And I would protect them.

I would love to have them roaming on my land.

But you can't!

You can't.

Real bison, you can't.

Why? Because the federal government won't allow any of them to be bred.

In fact, when Yellowstone has too many bison on their land, you know what the federal government does?

Kills them. And buries them with a bulldozer. Instead of saying, hey. We have too many.

We will thin the herd.

We will put them on a truck. Here's some ranchers that will help repopulate the United States with bison. No, no, no. You can't do that.

Why? It's the federal government. Stop asking questions. Do you know what they've done to our bald eagles.

I have pictures of piles of bald eagles.

That they'll never show you.

They'll never show you.

You can't have a bald eagle feather!

It's against the law, to have a feather, from a bald eagle!

If it's flying, and a feather falls off, you can't pick it up. Because they're that sacred.

But I have pictures of piles of bald eagles, dead, from the windmills.

And nobody says a thing.

Okay.

But we're talking about lands.

States can't afford to manage it.

Okay. But how can the federal government?

Now, this is really important.

The federal government is, what? $30 trillion in debt or are we 45 trillion now, I'm not sure?

Our entitlement programs, all straight infrastructure, crumbling.

And yet, we're still clinging to millions of acres of land, that the federal government can't maintain. Yeah, they can.

Because they can always print money.

We can't print money in the state, so we can't afford it.

Hear me out. The BLM Forest Service, Park Service, billions of dollars behind in maintenance, roads, trails, fire brakes.

Everything is falling apart..

So what's the real plan here?

Well, the Biden administration was the first one that was really open about it, pushing for what was called 30 by 30.

They want 30 percent of all US land and water, under conservation by 2030.

But the real goal is 5050.

50 percent of the land, and the water, in the government's control by 2050.

Half of the country locked up under federal or elite approved protection.

Now, you think that's not going to affect your ability to hunt, fish, graze, cattle. Harvest, timber, just live free. You won't be able to go on those. It won't be conservatives, who stop you from hunting and fishing.

It will be the same radical environmental ideologues, who see the land, as sacred, over people!

I mean, unless it's in your backyard. Your truck. Or your dear stand, you know, then I guess you can't touch that land.

Here's something that no one is talking about, and it goes to the 2030.

The Treasury right now, and they started under Obama, and they're still doing it now.

Sorry, under Biden.

And they're doing it now. The Treasury is talking about putting federal land on the national ballot sheet. What does that mean?

Well, it will make our balance sheet so much better.

Because it looks like we have so much more wealth, and we will be able to print more money.

Uh-huh. What happens, you know. You put something sacred like that, on your balance sheet, and the piggy bank runs dry.

And all of the banks are like, okay.

Well, you can't pay anymore.

What happens in a default?

What happens, if there's catastrophic failure. You don't get to go fish on that land. Because that land becomes Chinese.

You think our creditors, foreign and domestic, won't come knocking?

What happens when federal land is no longer a national treasure, but a financial asset, that can be seized or sold or controlled by giant banks or foreign countries.

That land that you thought, you would always have access to, for your kids, for your hunting lodge, for your way of life.

That is really important!

But it might not be yours at all. Because you had full faith in the credit of the United States of America.

So what is the alternative?

Supreme Court UPHOLDS Tennessee trans law, but should have done THIS

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 in favor a Tennessee law that bans transgender surgeries for minors. But famed attorney Alan Dershowitz explains to Glenn why “it should have been unanimous.”

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GLENN: Alan Dershowitz, how are you?

ALAN: I'm doing great, how about you?

GLENN: It has been a really confusing week. I'm losing friends, I think, because I stand with Israel's right to defend themselves. And I'm pointing out, that while I don't want a war, Iran is a really bad place.

And then I see, the Supreme Court comes out best interest there are three justices are like, I don't know. I think children, you know, can change their identity before we even let them drive or carry a gun. Or enlist in the military.

It's insane!

ALAN: It is insane. Especially since the radical left said that -- 17 and a half-year-old -- voluntary sex with their boyfriend. That would be sexist, that would be horrible.

But they can consent to have an abortion. They can consent to have radical surgery, that can't be reversed.

By the way, the decision is like six to two and a half. Elena Kagan, my former colleague at Harvard, didn't reach the merits of whether or not a state could actually ban these operations on a minor. She got involved in whether or not you need super, duper scrutiny, or just super scrutiny, a kind of, you know, a very technical thing.

But she didn't rule on whether under any kind of scrutiny, the state could do that. So definitely, two of them said that the state could do it, but not necessarily a third one.

GLENN: Okay.

Can you break this argument down? And why it should have been unanimous?

ALAN: Oh, it should be unanimous. There's no question.

States under the Constitution, have the authority to decide medical issues. States decide a whole range of medical issues. I remember when I was a young professor, there was an issue of whether or not one twin could be operated on to remove a kidney, to be given to another twin.

And, you know, that case went all the way through -- the federal government never got involved in that. That was up to the state of Massachusetts. They made interesting decisions.

Some states go the other way.

Half the countries of Europe go one way. The other half go the other way. And just as Justice Brandeis once said that things are the laboratories of Constitutional experimentation.

They have the right to do things their own way. And then we'll see over time. Over time, I predict that we will find that this kind of surgery, is not acceptable scientifically for young people.

And the New York Times had an absurd op-ed yesterday. By the mother of a transgender person.

And it never mentioned. It originally said that the person was now 18 years old.

And the decision does not apply to anyone who is 18.

You know, just wait. Don't make irreversible decisions while you're 12 years old. Or 13 years old.

Because we know the statistics show, that some people, at least, regret having made these irreversible decisions, particularly. Yeah.

GLENN: So why is it -- why is it that the state. Why wasn't the argument, you can't do this to children?

ALAN: Well, you know, that's the question.

Whether or not if the state says, you can do it to children, that violates the Constitution. I think states are given an enormous amount of leeway, this. Deciding what's best for people.

You leave it to the public.

And, you know, for me, if I were, you know, voting. I would not vote to allow a 17-year-old to make that irreversible decision. But if the state wants to do it. If a country in Europe wants to do it. All right!

But the idea that there's a constitutional right for a minor, who can't -- isn't old enough to consent to a contract, to have sex, is old enough to consent to do something that will change their life forever, and they will come to regret, is -- is absurd.

GLENN: So I don't know how you feel about Justice Thomas. But he -- he took on the so-called experts.

And -- and really kind of took him to the woodshed. What were your thoughts on that?

ALAN: Well, I agree with that. I devoted my whole life to challenging experts. That's what I do in court.

I challenge experts all the time. But most of the major cases that I've won, have been cases where experts went one way, and we were -- persuaded a jury or judge. That the expert is not really an expert.

Experts have become partisans, just like everybody else.

And so I'm glad that expert piece is being challenged by judges.

And, you know, experts ought to challenge judges, judges challenge experts. That's the world we live in. Everybody challenges everybody else. As long as all of us are allowed to speak, allowed to have our point of view expressed, allowed to vote, that's democracy.

Democracy does not require a singular answer to complex medical, psychological, moral problems. We can have multiple answers.

We're not a dictatorship. We're not in North Korea or Iran, where the ayatollah or the leader tells us what to think. We can think for ourselves, and we can act for ourselves.

GLENN: Yeah. It's really interesting because this is my argument with Obamacare.

I was dead set against Obamacare. But I wasn't against Romneycare when it was in Massachusetts. If that's what Massachusetts wants to do, Massachusetts can do it. Try it.

And honestly, if it would work in a state, we would all adopt it.

But the problem is, that some of these things, like Romneycare, doesn't work. And so they want to -- they want to rope the federal government into it. Because the federal government can just print money. You know, any state wants to do anything.

For instance, I have a real hard time with California right now.

Because I have a feeling, when they fail, we will be roped into paying for the things that we all knew were bad ideas.

Why? Why should I pay for it in Texas, when I know it wouldn't work?

And I've always wanted to live in California, but I don't, because I know that's not going to work.

ALAN: Yeah. But conservatives sometimes take the opposite point of view.

Take guns, for example.

The same Justice Thomas says that I state cannot have the authority to decide that guns should not be available in time square.

Or in schools. There has to be a national openness to guns. Because of the second apple.

And -- you can argue reasonably, what the Second Amendment means.

But, you know, conservatives -- many conservatives take the view that it has to be a single standard for the United States.

It can't vary in their decision how to control -- I'm your favorite --

GLENN: Isn't that -- doesn't that -- doesn't that just take what the -- what the Bill of Rights is about, and turns it upside the head?

I mean, it says, anything not mentioned here, the states have the rights.

But they -- they cannot. The federal government cannot get involved in any of these things.

And these are rights that are enshrined.

So, I mean, because you could say that, but, I mean, when it comes to health care, that's not in the Constitution. Not in the Bill of Rights.

ALAN: Oh, no.

There's a big difference, of course.

The Second Amendment does provide for the right to bear arms.

The question is whether it's interpreted in light of the beginning of the Second Amendment. Which says, essentially, a well-regulated, well-regulated militia. Whether that applies to private ownership as well.

Whether it could be well-regulated by states.

Look, these are interesting debates.

And the Supreme Court, you know, decides these.

But all I'm saying is that many of these decisions are in some way, influenced by ideology.

The words of the Constitution, don't speak like, you know, the Ten Commandments and God, giving orders from on high.

They're often written in ambiguous terms. Even the Ten Commandments. You know, it says, thou shall not murder. And it's been interpreted by some to say, thou shall not still, the Hebrew word is (foreign language), for murder, not kill. And, of course, we know that in parts of the Bible, you are allowed to kill your enemies, if they come after you to kill you, rise up and kill them first.

So, you know, everything -- human beings are incapable of writing with absolute clarity, about complex issues.

That's why we need institutions to interpret them. The institutions should be fair.

And the Supreme Court is sometimes taking over too much authority, too much power.

I have an article today, with gay stone.

Can had starts with a quote from the book of Ruth.

And it says, when judges rule the land, there was famine.

And I say, judges were not supposed to ever rule, going back to Biblical times.

Judges are supposed to judge.

People who are elected or pointed appropriately. Are the ones supposed to rule.

GLENN: Quickly. Two other topics. And I know you have to go.

If I can get a couple of quick takes on you.

The Democrats that are being handcuffed, and throwing themselves into situations.

Do you find that to be a sign of a fascistic state or a publicity stunt?

ALAN: A publicity stunt. And they would knit it. You know, give them a drink at 11 o'clock in the bar. They will tell you, they are doing this deliberately to get attention.

Of course, a guy who is running behind in the mayor race in New York, goes and gets himself arrested. And now he's on every New York television station. And probably will move himself up in the polls.

So no.

Insular -- I don't believe in that. And I don't believe we should take it -- take it seriously.

GLENN: Last question.

I am proudly for Israel.

But I'm also for America. And I'm really tired of foreign wars.

And I think you can be pro-Israel and pro-America at the same time.

I don't think you can -- you don't have to say, I'm for Israel, defending themselves, and then that makes me a warmonger.

I am also very concerned about Iran. And have been for a very long time.

Because they're Twelvers. They're Shia Twelvers. That want to wash the world in blood. To hasten the return of the promised one.

So when they have a nuclear weapon. It's a whole different story.

ALAN: No, I agree with you, Tucker Carlson, is absolutely wrong, when he say he has to choose between America first or supporting Israel. Supporting Israel in this fight against Iran, is being America first.

It's supporting America. Israel has been doing all the hard work. It's been the one who lost its civilians and fortunately, none of its pilots yet.

But America and Israel work together in the interest of both countries.

So I'm -- I'm a big supporter of the United States, the patriarch. And I'm a big supporter of Israel at the same time.

Because they work together in tandem, to bring about Western -- Western values.

GLENN: Should we drop a bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should.

GLENN: Our plane drop the bomb?

ALAN: Yes, we should. And without killing civilians. It can be done. Probably needs four bombs, not one bomb. First, one bomb to open up the mountain. Then another bomb to destroy what's going on inside.

And in my book The Preventive State, I make the case for when preventive war is acceptable. And the war against Iran is as acceptable as it would have been to attack Nazi Germany in the 1930s. If we had done that, if Britain and France had attacked Nazi Germany in the 1930s, instead of allowing it to be built up, it could have saved 60 million lives. And so sometimes, you have to take preventive actions to save lives.

GLENN: What is the preventive state out, Alan?

ALAN: Just now. Just now.

Very well on Amazon.

New York Times refuses to review it. Because I defended Donald Trump.

And Harvard club cancelled my appearance talked about the book. Because I haven't been defending Harvard. I've been defending President Trump's attack. By the way, they called Trump to Harvard: Go fund yourself.
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GLENN: Okay.

Let's -- I would love to have you back on next week. To talk about the preventive state. If you will. Thank you, Alan. I appreciate it. Alan Dershowitz. Harvard Law school, professor emeritus, host of the Dershow. And the author of the new book that's out now, The Preventive State.

I think that's a really important topic. Because we are -- we are traveling down the roads, where fascism, on both sides, where fascism can start to creep in. And it's all for your own good.

It's all for your own protection. Be aware. Be aware.

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