RADIOSeptember 29, 2025

Should we forgive Charlie Kirk's killer?

If anyone deserves the death penalty, Glenn says, it’s the man who assassinated Charlie Kirk. But should the Right be cheering for it? Glenn explains how we can seek both justice and mercy, especially in light of Erika Kirk’s decision to forgive the killer.

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GLENN: I want to talk to you about what I believe is coming, in our society, what you need to prepare for.

Hopefully, I'm wrong. Generally speaking, you know, gross exaggeration here.

But I'm right on a lot of these things.

I'm just really bad at timing.

You know, I talked to you three, four years ago, that I thought the week. The year that we ended up doing, you know, BLM. I thought that was the year that assassinations were going to come. And we're here now. And I don't -- I pray that this is wrong. But we're not done. And I want to talk to you about that, in a second. But I also want to talk to you a little about putting the killer to death.

There are people that are really very excited about putting this killer to death. A public execution. In front of the White House.

Televised for the whole world to see. A sign that the right is no longer just messing around.

Okay. That's a really bad idea.

First of all, that's not justice.

If anyone deserves the death penalty, it would be someone like this.

Took an innocent man away from his wife and kids forever.

It is the state law that matters. And the state of Utah has the death penalty, and they use it.

But should we be crying for the death penalty?

I mean, is that an eye for an eye. Would that be a victory?

So yesterday, I saw a second version of what justice looks like.

But it's not -- what I just said about executing people. Maybe that's -- maybe that's some kind of justice.

But it's all justice, no mercy.

Yesterday, I saw justice mainly mercy. From Erica Kirk. And I want to play this. This is what she said. Cut one.

ERIKA: My husband Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life.
(applauding)
That young man. That young man, on the cross, our savior said, "Father forgive them, for they not know what they do." That man, that young man, I forgive him.
(applauding)
I forgive him, because it was what Christ did. And it's what Charlie would do.

The answer to hate is not hate, the answer we know from the gospel is love, and always love! Love for our enemies. And love for those who persecute us.

GLENN: What an amazing, an absolute amazing example of being Christ-like.

So let me take this a step further. The man who killed Charlie deserves death. I mean, I think we all have the right to hate him.

Especially the wife that will never see her husband again. But that's not victory. And that's not what we're supposed to do.

It's natural for us to want revenge.

And that's what he wanted. He wanted revenge. He wanted to stop the man who he believed was spreading hate. Except, he didn't. This always works in the opposite way. Always!

But Erika just showed us what true vengeance, if you will, looks like.

Because she knows who the real enemy is. The real enemy doesn't care about the killer, at all. At all. The real enemy used that kid and is done with him, okay?

If he would die right now, it wouldn't matter. Maybe the real enemy would rejoice.

But it doesn't matter. Just another old soul lost forever!

Another member of God's family ripped away from him.

And all those who follow God, well, they're too busy cheering on his death to realize what just happened.

So I want to be very, very careful here. Because I'm going to make the point for the death penalty in this case, as well.

Paul, the apostle put it really plainly. He said, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness in this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Want to take real revenge? Deny evil what it wants. Do good instead. The -- the real enemy shrieked in pain when she said that. That's not what the real enemy wants. It wants hatred. He needs hatred.

That you make them shriek, when you pray for the redemption of everyone. And everybody is now seeing how Christians are reacting to Charlie's death, even as the killer -- we haven't burned cities down. We're not screaming in the streets. We are denying what evil wants.

But forgiveness -- forgiveness is different, isn't it? Isn't forgiveness different than justice?

Forgiveness is absolutely required of Christians. But justice is mercy. Those are the scales. Justice and mercy.

Justice is about order, accountability, and the consequence of choices. But if you just go for justice, that hardens into deep and profound cruelty. It leaves strict law without compassion, leaves no room for growth. No room for redemption.

The human condition of weakness. It punishes, but it never heals. A world with all justice and no mercy, is just a cold tribunal. Where even the small mistakes are crushed under the weight of total imperfect law.

But justice must be satisfied. One of the problems we're having right now is justice is never paid by anybody.

They get away with anything.

And we are crying out for justice! Which makes it harder because sometimes, mercy is confused with no justice!

Mercy, by itself is compassion.

It is forgiveness.

It is second chances.

But mercy without justice, loses its meaning, entirely.

It just becomes indulgence.

There are no boundaries. No consequences. No standards of right and wrong anymore.

None of it!

It devolves into the society that we have right now! And wrongdoing just remains unchecked.
Victims are forgotten. Society erodes, and there is no accountability, whatsoever.

So which one do you want? Which one do you want?

Justice protects the innocent. But mercy redeems the guilty.

Order and love! I want both!

God's law demands justice.

Yet, his character demands mercy.

You know, I think Utah has the firing squad. And if they go for death penalty, I would hope that everybody on that firing squad is weeping.

That they are providing justice, that must be served, but they are doing it with a soft and gentle heart, and mercy.

If you're struggling with this message, I get it.

I don't blame you. Hate is really natural. And it's justified at times, it really is. But it also weighs us down. That's why we're supposed to look to Christ.

That's why we're supposed to look to God. You know, Jesus has nails in his body. Can you imagine what that was like?

Imagine what that was like for him to even breathe, let alone talk. And the reason why usually those who were crucified, they had to break their legs, was because they could use their legs to pull themselves up, because hanging in that position, as you would sag more and more, it's not only ripping the nails. But it's also causing your lungs to collapse.

You cannot breathe. So imagine, nails in your feet. And you are pushing yourself up, to be able to breathe, and to forgive someone! To say out loud, Father, forgive them! Wow. Wow.

And he had every right to come back from the dead, and go, all right!

You want to play that way? Well, let me show you what I can do, but he didn't. Instead, he came back and told his followers, many who abandoned him, to go into the world and try to save those who put holes in his hands. And his feet.

And they knew that they would die. They knew that they would die. But Christ knew that no matter how evil men can become. That's not the real enemy.

The real enemy needs hatred because with hatred we can lose our first citizenship.

We lose the kingdom of God.

And that's all he wants.

That's all the real enemy wants.

Hatred to separate us from our father, and separate all mankind.

Because he's mad at dad. I happen to believe that justice needs to be served. I believe that we are in such chaos, because justice hasn't been served in quite some time. The laws of Utah are for murder like this, it is the death penalty.

And that is the law. I don't want the laws changed to make a point.

I don't want him having the exception, and not paying a price for the -- I believe the death penalty, is the right went.

Because I believe that there has to be -- I mean, that has to be punished.

It has to be punished. Especially when it is so egregious.

But it must be done with mercy! Love them, forgive them.

Give justice. But pray that they go back home.

UK mandates digital ID for workers: The real reason revealed

British Prime Minister Kier Starmer has announced that the UK will force ALL workers to have a Digital ID. But while some claim this is about cracking down on illegal immigration, Glenn believes there's a much darker reason for this announcement.

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GLENN: So speaking of the mark of the beast. Let me -- let me tell you what I heard from Keith stammerer. On Friday, that made my blood run a little cold. He's the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And here's what he said, at the reform conference.

Listen to this.

VOICE: And that is why today, I am announcing this government will make a new free-of-charge digital ID mandatory, for the right to work by the end of this parliament.

Let me spell that out. You will not be able to work in the United Kingdom, if you do not have digital ID. It's as simple as that.

Because decent, pragmatic, fair-minded people, they want us to tackle issues that they see around them. And, of course, the truth is: We won't solve our problems, if we don't also take on the root causes. Looking upstream. To tackle poverty, conflict, climate change, issues that aren't just intolerable for those of us who care about inequality and injustice, wherever it's found in the world, but which have clear consequences for our own citizens.

GLENN: Wow. That is fantastic.

So let me just tell you what he's -- what he's saying here.

First of all, it's a new free service from the government.

So, you know, it's free it's me, of course.

But he's saying, that they have a problem in Europe, see if you can relate to this at all.

They have a problem in England, with people coming across the water and just invading the country, and then they're taking all the jobs from, you know, decent Brits, and they haven't stopped them.

You know, they're welcoming them in. They're not turning them away. They're not sending them back home or anything.

But to solve the problem instead, they will just have everybody have a digital identity. That way, you'll know if they're a digital citizen or not.

Oh. Oh.

You know, there's an easier way to solve this. You just stop the illegal immigration. You can send people back.

You can do that. You can do that. No, no. No, no, no. Now, I want you to understand. And I don't know if I have time to get into it today.

This is the way progressivism works.

They create the idea. And then they cause the problem, that they can go back and say, we need to do this. To solve this problem.

Okay?

So they've caused the problem of illegal immigration.

They've caused the problem of all of these things happening on their streets. But don't worry, they've already designed the answer. And it's digital identity.

It was just voted in, in -- in Switzerland.

And Australia, already has it.

Okay. So let me just give you an idea, of digital identity.

This is from the World Economic Forum. This is how they are describing what digital identity will do. Okay?

It will give the users access. Now, just think, what's left in your life?

It will give you access to insurance. To health care treatment. To monitor your health devices.

It will monitor your wearables. And it will be for care providers to demonstrate their qualifications. So you can look up, you can't do this now. I can't look up a doctor online, and see if he's any good. No, no, no. I need digital ID to do that. But it will also track all of my wearables and monitor all of my health care and have access to my insurance and everything the doctors are doing for me. That's great!

And all of that data goes right into a centralized data bank, for the government. Now, what else does digital ID do?

Well, financial services. You'll need digital ID to open bank accounts. Carry out online financial transactions. Food and stainability. For farmers and for consumers, you can verify where the produce is coming from, to enhance the value and traceability in supply chains. For travel and mobility, your digital ID will help you book trips. It will help you go through border control between countries and regions. On humanitarian response, it will give you the access to services, to demonstrate qualifications to work in a foreign country.

e- commerce. You'll need your digital ID to be able to shop, to conduct business transactions, and have access to secure payments.

On social platforms, your new digital identity will protect you. Your social interactions. To access third party services, that rely on social media log-ins. Your e-government. That will allow you as a citizen to access and use services to file taxes, to vote, and to collect benefits. With your telecommunications, it will help the user of digital ID to own and use devices, for service providers to monitor those devices and data on the network.

And telecommunications also to monitor devices and sensors transmitting such data as energy usage, air quality, traffic congestion. All of those things.

So you can see how helpful it's going to be. It will be in every aspect of your life.

Now, the only thing that this leaves out, is a digital currency.

But digital ID lays all the framework, so then the government can say, we have a digital ID. And it fits right in with your digital identity.

And that's just going to track everything you spend every dime on. But because you have digital identity, it will also help you, you know, spend your money. Where you can spend it. Where you can't spend it.

It will have complete control and -- and oversight of your entire life. Hmm.

Stu, I'm trying to think of some downsides of this one.

STU: It's such a tough road to try to find any possible negative. I -- the justification is bizarre. Is it really that they're saying, it has something to do with illegal immigration?

GLENN: Yes. Yeah.

STU: They have no concern over that whatsoever.

GLENN: They have no concern over that. Here he is, trying to defend it, with an interview on the BBC. BBC is not really hard. Okay?

Here he is. Cut three.

VOICE: One of our viewers got in touch and wants to just ask this question. Russell Brand wanted us to ask you, if you really believe that those profiting from human trafficking will think, "Oh, dear, I have to check your digital ID now. I can't carry on paying you one pound 50 an hour to work in my sweatshop."

VOICE: I am absolutely convinced --

STU: That's a great question.

VOICE: -- that amongst the reasons people travel through France, which is a safe country, to come to the United Kingdom, amongst the reasons is because it's easier to work in our legal economy than it is in other countries, and we have to deal with it.

STU: Those of us who are prepared to hire people illegally are not asking them for their national insurance card. So what's the evidence? What makes you think there's somebody going to ask them for a digital ID?

VOICE: We need to be really clear.

You must have an ID. Mandatory digital ID in order to work because we have to stop illegal working. If you look at any of the -- massively increase the number of raids on working premises.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

VOICE: It is absolutely clear, that people are working illegally in numbers --

VOICE: But why do you think that then having to have a digital ID, would stop that problem, when right now, people are meant to have a national insurance number card. And if they're not asked for that, boss is willing already to break the rules. What's the difference going to be?

STU: It's so --

VOICE: What the difference is this is a point of starting, not a retrospective exercise as it is now is.

It is an automatic collection of the information by the governments, that we know exactly who is working in our economy. And it will help us enforce the rules that are there. But there are no point that people say to me, why don't we need it? When we all acknowledge, there's a problem. People are working illegally in our economy. It's amongst the reasons that people want to come to the United Kingdom. We have to deal with that.

I made a pledge, that we would do whatever was necessary, pull whatever tools that were available to deal with illegal immigration. I intend to do so.

GLENN: Wow.

STU: It's hard to tell from that clip, especially if you're listening to it. Because he's British. And so it's hard to hear flailing in British. Like, it doesn't come through with the accent.

GLENN: Yeah. Oh, he's flailing.

STU: That's what he's doing there. He had no answer to that whatsoever. He looks terrified.

GLENN: Because there is no answer. There is no answer. They want digital ID to control the population.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: That's what all of this is about. Control your every movement. Your every thought. Your every word. Control it. Regulate it. And make sure you're kept in line. That's what digital ID is all about. It's not about the illegals.

I mean, she's absolutely right. You want to crack down? Crack down!

We close your company. Remember, they're not American. We close your company. If you are found to have illegal aliens. We close you down. We close you down.

I mean, that would send a strong message. But they're not doing it. They selectively enforce it. Then they make a little show of it from time to time. With marches.

We do this. March some people into a big corporation. How many times did you see that happen, in -- you know, every presidency that you've ever seen. They're not taking it seriously.

They do it for show, and it's strategic, to keep you placated. Oh, we're doing something about it.

They're not actually doing -- all you have to do is stop people from coming in! That's it.

Stop people from coming in. And start deporting the people who are already here. It's that simple.

Digital ID.

STU: If you happen to be the United Kingdom, would be, you're an island.

It's really hard for people to cross the border from France!

It's like really. No. I know there's a tunnel. But there's an access point there. It's pretty easy to keep people out.

GLENN: And, you know what, if you can swim the English Channel, I might give you citizen -- all right. You're in good health.

STU: You made it.

We would do it with Cuba. All right. Fine. You made it! Congratulations. You're here!

But, yeah. It's a ridiculous justification particularly coming from this strain of government over there.

Which has been, you know, so open to this type of activity for a long time. But like, the -- this could possibly the solution.

It's the same thing as saying, you had to have a digital gun rights, you know, card. Gun license. Right?

It's like, aren't all the people who want to shoot people with guns that are illegal, just not going to carry it?

Are they really going to be worried about the additional six months on top of their life sentence for the mass murder they're going to commit?

I don't think so.

GLENN: I don't think you understand how this works. If you just have everybody have a gun license, if you bought a gun, you had to have a gun license, no matter what.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And you had to have that background check, all these shootings, would just go away. They would go away.

STU: Yeah. But we already have the -- this is something that already occurs.

GLENN: Wait. What?

It is so insane. Bad guys are going to do what bad guys are going to do. And if you already have to have a national insurance.

I mean, you want to talk about motivation of having an insurance card. Insurance.

It's not like a Social Security number that you're like, whatever. This is insurance.

You know, you go to the hospital. You can get medical care. They're not getting those. They're not getting those.

People are just saying, yeah. Go ahead. You know, I'm not going to give you any of the insurance.

You don't have any health benefits. You go ahead. I can pay a dollar and a half.

Whose fault is that?

Who is fault is that really?

That's the politician for allowing it to happen.

And it's the -- the really dirty businessmen. Who don't care.

They just want to make it cheap.

I mean, that's the problem.

It's greed. All the way around. It's greed.

STU: Greed is of course, something I assume out of most people.

It's a natural state, unfortunately, of human beings.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: And it's smart to understand that, right?

This is why to go into -- you know, there's always going to be somebody trying to take advantage of your laws. Always going to be a situation that exists.

You can do something very easy though. Particularly in that nation, to just make sure you don't have -- people coming in, illegally. It's not that difficult there.

It's a much more difficult thing here.

We always talk about, hey. Lock down the border. Illegal immigrants. We talk about that all the time.

Look, it is easier said than done.

We've seen massive progress in this area. Because Trump is actually taking it seriously, unlike the past presidents.

But still, it's not infallible. It's a massive thousand-mile-long border, and there's two of them.

GLENN: Right.

And Trump is the only one in the world, going the other direction. That's why the world hates him so much. Because he's the only one in the west, standing in the way of this.

The mystery of the Red Heifer REVEALED

Glenn Beck sits down with Shoreshim Ministries founder Bill Cloud to discuss the shocking significance of red heifers in the Bible, the purification of the Temple Mount, and the implications for the last days. They dive deep into the history of the 9 red heifers sacrificed since Moses, the connection to the golden calf, and why the ashes of the red heifer are essential for ceremonial cleansing. Are we witnessing the signs of the return of Christ, and is the world on the brink of spiritual and geopolitical upheaval?

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

The Failed 'Assassination' of Katie Hopkins | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 267

This conversation may get British comedian and political commentator Katie Hopkins arrested when she returns home. She doesn’t care. In a podcast episode that’s both hilariously irreverent and deeply vulnerable, Katie chronicles her extraordinary life — from surviving a terrorist plot to behead her to sending a photo of her butt to Australia’s deputy prime minister after her deportation for criticizing COVID lockdowns. Her exposés on the treatment of white farmers in South Africa led to her detention and her comedy nearly landed her in jail, but Katie remains unbowed, insisting that in an “age of madness,” we need those who are “unafraid.” For the first time, Katie reveals her response to threats of arrest for the “crime of telling jokes online,” stating, “If I’m arrested, I choose it.” She dives into her experience at the Unite the Kingdom rally, shedding light on the growing unrest in Britain, including what she describes as an Islamic “takeover” of the nation and the chilling reality of Pakistani “r*pe gangs.” Katie also gives her opinion on Tommy Robinson, praises Marco Rubio for “growing a significant pair,” and shares her admiration for the U.S. Second Amendment, including her desire to become a “buckle bunny” for a U.S. sheriff. The podcast takes a serious turn in the discussion of the U.K.’s response to Charlie Kirk’s assassination, the survival of the monarchy, and Katie’s perseverance when faced with the threat of losing her children and the award-winning musical that threatened her life. “I have sparkles on,” she says, gesturing to her glittering red pantsuit. “All is well.”

Megyn Kelly calls out Jimmy Kimmel's hypocrisy on free speech

Jimmy Kimmel whined and cried about free speech after a one-week suspension from ABC. But Megyn Kelly isn't buying it! Where was Jimmy, she asks, when she was canceled by NBC?!

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GLENN: Megyn Kelly, welcome to the program.

MEGYN: It's great to be here. How are you doing, Glenn?

GLENN: I'm good. How did you do it last night? Because I have to do it in a couple of weeks. And I don't have the patience. I don't have the patience.

MEGYN: I know. I'm excited that you're going. No, it's a very interesting experience. I did not know what to expect.

I had never done this with Charlie or otherwise. I mean, I had been destined to do it together at Virginia Tech. And, you know, frankly, I wasn't sure whether Turning Point would continue forward with the tour or not obviously given what happened. And when they said, "We're doing it," of course, I said, "I'll be there."

And so I didn't know what to expect, especially without Charlie. When I agreed to do it originally, I thought Charlie was going to be there.

GLENN: That's the way I was.

MEGYN: Glenn Youngkin was there. Kind of opened up, and was perfectly on message. Just like a message of faith. That guy has got such a great future ahead of him.

In any event, I went out there, and the questions were so diverse. I mean, one guy asked me which Star Wars trilogy was the best. The first three or the Revenge of the Sith? Another person asked me: Would you rather be a human with a pineapple brain or a pineapple with a human brain?

GLENN: Jeez.

MEGYN: And then we started to get into politics and Trump. And we had a couple of adversarial questions, which were fun. And, but for the most part, I'm sure it's because it's so close to Charlie's death, it was people who loved him. Students who wanted to hear more of his kind of messaging. And students who wanted to be reassured about their own future, the future of the Turning Point movement. And, of course, how to handle far leftism, all over their college campus.

GLENN: So do you think -- do you think this is kind of a setup?

I mean, I think, you know, ten days after the shooting of Charlie Kirk, that was the left on their best behavior. And it wasn't good behavior.

But it was better than what I think is now happening. And what is coming.

And, you know, I've been talking about what's happening in South Korea. And it looks like something we should really pay attention to.

Because it looks like the -- it looks like the playbook they're going for. Caused so much chaos. That the government has to respond.

And when you're causing the chaos, keep saying, they're authoritarians. They're fascists. They're going to lock everything down. And when there's no choice to lock it down, then they say, see, and then the whole thing is on fire.

Where do we go from here? What's changed?

What is going back to normal? What is normal now, when it comes to this kind of stuff?

MEGYN: I mean, I want to preface my remarks by saying, like you, I imagine, I'm in sort of a weird place mentally still.

GLENN: Yeah, me too.

MEGYN: After the Charlie assassination.

And I think the kids call it based, others might call it radicalized. But I just have a pretty clear and strong view of what our side needs to do next. I'm not sure about the left. And I'm not even sure I care to spend much time thinking about them.

GLENN: Yeah.

MEGYN: I really feel more strongly than ever. That I don't care what they call us. We need to make them suffer.

Not -- not physically.

But with lawfare, and even with some censorship.

In order to get things back to normal.

GLENN: What's the line on that?

What's the line on that?

MEGYN: So we do need people to actually have committed crimes.

I was not a fan of the President Trump tweet at Pam Bondi. Or whether that was a DM or whatever.

If Pam Bondi doesn't find actual crimes, she should not indict anybody. But if she finds crimes, our days of looking the other way are done. Our days of being benevolent. Of being, oh. We're not going to indict Hillary Clinton.

No. No. No, no.

GLENN: I agree. Yeah.

MEGYN: And I think I'm in a minority. But I'm totally in favor of what Brendan Carr did last week. 100 percent in favor.

GLENN: So I did too.

And I felt like -- I am too.

MEGYN: Good. Good.

Glenn, they have to feel our pain. Why, whenever we're in control, do we take the high ground, only to get beaten to a pulp again, when they're back in control.

And we continue to say, oh, these are our principles.

In order to make clear to everyone who holds them. And they use it against us.

No!

You know what, now that we've had a whole week of these leftists saying the things we say about censorship and big government and free speech. And a week now, we have them on record, and they learned! So when they use it against us. The next time they're in power, we've got the receipts.

GLENN: I'm just not going to change my principles.

But I am not going to play by the rules, that they're not playing by. You know, you're not going to not play by the rules. And then say, you have to play by the rules.

Screw you. Screw you.

I'm going to play by the rules. But I will use every rule we have, to shut your nonsense down.

MEGYN: Amen. I couldn't agree more.

It's about tactics. You and I haven't moved at all on our principles. We hate lawfare. We hate government censorship.

We don't believe hate speech is problematic. It's kind of why the First Amendment was invented.

GLENN: Yes.

MEGYN: However, it's the left that stripped us from those principles, not us. And now, the question is: How do we wrestle the country back to states, back to the old states, prior to the left losing its mind?

And I'm just really firmly of the belief, they must be brought to heal. Again, not with physical violence.

But with the same tactics. In terms of policy. And approaching governing, that they use against us.

I can see that very clearly as the only way forward.

GLENN: I just can't take -- they did everything they could, to destroy me.

They did everything they could to destroy you.

It's a long line of all of us, that they have done.

And then they get a little boo-boo on their knee for five days, and then all of a sudden, you know, Hitler is in office.

I mean, I mean, oh, wow.

You had to sit at home, making your $30 million for five days. Oh, that sucks.

MEGYN: Oh, Jimmy kept a picture in his right (inaudible) not under the -- he couldn't take it. And those tears out on that stage were for him. What a joke, that crying, whiney baby. He had celebrated everyone on the right's cancellation.

He danced on our professional graves, and he has the nerve to want us to feel sorry for him, because he had a five-day paid vacation? We don't!

GLENN: Yeah. Where is he with Roseanne? Where was he on Roseanne?

Nowhere. Absolutely nowhere, and they took her show away. They destroyed her.

GLENN: Okay. Glenn, destroyed Roseanne.

And over -- and people defended Jimmy by saying, he's a comedian. So is Roseanne!

No one has defended her. None. But let me take my situation, because it happens to be apt here.

When I got cancelled at NBC for literally asking a question about blackface Halloween costume. Why I grew up in the '70s and '80s. You can wear those, like you were on Diana Ross or Michael Jordan. And not to cancel. But clearly, in the 2000s, and that was my question. I got cancelled. Did Jimmy Kimmel at the time come out and say, you know what, this is BS. I have to admit, I wore blackface. Many times. Jimmy did, not -- not me. But I wore it repeatedly at Karl Malone's. I wore it at Oprah in a fat suit, starving facts. When I was with Karl Malone, I even spoke in ebonics, mocking black people. So this is wrong what you're doing to her, NBC.

I don't -- I don't support this. He didn't say a word! He let me twist in the woman. He -- like, why should any of us feel sorry for him?

He totally threw the cancellation of anybody whose politics he doesn't share. So I'm thrilled he felt some pain last week.

His show, it's insulated now because of the controversy. But it will go back to its mid-week ratings, and then ABC will almost certainly cancel it. But now they've got a little distance between today and that day.

GLENN: Let me talk about your tour.

Because you -- you invited me to come out on your tour on Saturday, October 25th at the Dicky's Arena in Fort Worth. What are you doing on your tour?

MEGYN: Uh-huh. So I went on Tucker Carlson's tour as a guest last fall. I loved it.

GLENN: Yeah. Me too.

MEGYN: I had never done that before. It was so fun, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah.

MEGYN: I thought, I should do this. I don't get help enough. And I was so energized like seeing our viewers and our fans and our listeners out there. It was just good for the soul. So that's what made me do it, and it's just a -- not huge. I was like, I don't have the energy. And I am a mom. That's too much. Whereas, ten, I could do.

So we picked some of our top cities. And got some of our top people like you. And we will go out. And we will basically tape an episode. But we will put a bunch of liberals around. And make it, I hope super fun, intellectually stimulating. You know, rowdy and just a good time to come out and have a moment of levity and celebration.

GLENN: Yeah. I will tell you, this is what I enjoyed about the Tucker tour. And I think it will be even more so with yours. It just felt good to be in a group of a lot of people.

Where you could relax and you could just be yourself. And, you know, just -- just enjoy company of other people that, you know, think like you do, without all of the hatred and everything else.

Just enjoy yourselves.

MEGYN: Oh, so true, Glenn. It reminds me in 2012, I was at the Republican National Convention. And I was a straight news person at the time. I wasn't wearing my politics on my sleeves. But Ann Coulter walked into one of the back rooms where the Fox people were all getting ready. And I said, how are you doing, Ann? And she said, I'm great. I'm in a sea of Republicans.
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I totally got it, and get it even more so today. Yeah. Thanks.

GLENN: Yeah. Megyn, what was your takeaway from the weekend?

We were both there, in Phoenix. What is the lasting, is it lasting, what is the lasting thing you take away from all of this?

MEGYN: If there's two words that I remember from that day, that will stay with me there, Charlie's army. That phrase really grabbed me.

And I do think that's what's been unleashed. These kids on these college campuses. The applications are up to, I think, Andrew Kolvet said 122,000 now. 122,000 Turning Point chapters. There were 2,000 the way Charlie died. Two.

GLENN: That's crazy.

I didn't know that. That's crazy!

MEGYN: Yes. Yes.

There were I think 900 college campuses and I think 1100 high schools, and now we're up to 122,000. It's crazy how many young people feel motivated to say, these are my values. And I'm no longer going to hide them, or apologize for them.

That's a sea change. You know, I just think Charlie's army will be a laughing legacy of Charlie Kirk sitting at Turning Point to outlive him.

GLENN: Oh.

MEGYN: I just never thought it would happen this soon, but he would be so proud.

And I also think, you know, like Frank Turek, who spoke at the funeral. Yes, he came on last week, last Friday. And he's a man of faith.

And he argued -- very effectively. And was one of Charlie's mentors on it, a Christian doctrine.

And he said, if he went to Charlie and said, Charlie, you're going to have to make a sacrifice.

It's going to be incredibly painful for Erika and your children and your friends and family. But you are going to inspire a whole generation of new evangelicals, of new people of faith, of new Republican voters, of new and outspoken conservatives on campus.

Your work had been achieved at age 31. He said, Charlie would have said, sign me up.

And I believe that, Glenn.

GLENN: I do too. I do too.

How do we get tickets to your tour?

MEGYN: Just go to MegynKelly.com. Megyn with a Y. M-E-G-Y-N. Linda did not know how to spell.

GLENN: Megyn, I look at you, and everybody that does what you do, in a different way, since Charlie's death. I kind of look at you as a firefighter. You're putting your boots on, and you're running into the burning building and not away from it, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. So God be with you. Stay safe.

MEGYN: I've got, my friend, much love.

GLENN: You bet.