RADIODecember 08, 2025

I should NEVER have said this about Donald Trump

Glenn Beck tells the story leading up to his criticism of Donald Trump after the 2015 "golden escalator" announcement, and why he now "really regrets" how he reacted.

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GLENN: The Trump that you see on TV that they are always mocking and always talking about is that flash of him as a performer. In real life, he is that really genteel, very kind, kind of guy.

Very personal. One on one.

It's an amazing thing.

They never see that. They never see that. But they --

STU: Yeah. You've told the story.

GLENN: Apparently -- apparently, because he tweets a lot. We need to buy a cowboy hat.

STU: Right. You told the story, Glenn of above before Trump was running for president.

You were staying at one of the Trump resorts. Right?

If I'm remembering the story. And didn't he call you, you know.

GLENN: And I misjudged him.

I misjudged him privilege think about this all the time.

I can't tell you how many times I've apologized to the man.

I so misjudged the man.

Because I didn't know anybody like him. And now that I've gotten to know him.

And I know people like him. And I've known him forever.

This is who he is. And so it was right before he announced, but we knew he was going to run.

And we had been friends for a while.

And I don't want to say friends. I mean, I don't think I'm a friend of his now. But I kind of am, I guess. He'll call me. We'll text each other. But so he was just -- he said to me, this is like, I don't know.

2010, or something. We met at a party for Larry King, his 900th birthday.

And he knew I would travel a lot.

And, you know, he was a fan of the show. And he would watch and he would see that I was doing all the stage shows. In the days it that I would travel for 30 different days of the year.

And he said, you know, whenever you're in town and in New York. Or when you're traveling around. You know, stay.

At a Trump hotel. Now, I had to pay, you know what I mean?

He wasn't offering it for free. But just stay at a Trump hotel. I'm telling you, they're the best. We take care of our guests. Okay. So I go to New York. And I'm staying at the Trump International, and it's at this time where, remember, I had to eat that diet. I had a diet where I could only eat like 70 ingredients. And was it really, really strict.

And because I was going through -- my doctors, every doctor I saw, they're like, you're being poisoned. And I'm like, yeah, we've done all the poison tests, I'm not being poisoned. They're like, we're being poisoned.

I'm like, I'm paranoid enough. Would you stop saying that?.

And we couldn't ever figure out what was happening with my body, but I started -- they put me on a very strict diet of 70 ingredients. And so I couldn't eat anywhere.

And so I called him up. And I said, hey. I'm coming to New York. I have a chef that has to travel with me because I can only eat these 70 things. And it has to be exact.

And I said, would you -- could you accommodate?

And he's like, now, in New York. Somebody who doesn't work in that kitchen to be allowed in the kitchen. That's a hassle.

Okay?

And he's like, absolutely. Not a problem.

So we go there, I stay for a couple of days. And I was supposed to stay for a week.

And I had to cancel it because my father was dying.

So I'm there for two days. And then because I left abruptly and, you know, the kitchen was like, where is the guy with the -- you know, is Mr. Beck still here?

Somehow or another, he found out that I left. I go to Seattle. My father dies. I come back home. And he calls me up. And he said, is -- is there a reason you left early from the hotel? Did something go wrong?

And I said, yes, sir, my father passed away.

And he said, oh, my gosh, Glenn. I'm so sorry to hear. And he just gushed, gushed, gushed. And he was so relatable and so kind and everything else.

And then like, I don't know. A week later, he announces that he's running for president.

And I assumed worst of the man.

And I can't believe I'm confessing this. This is so horrible for me to say. This is one of the worst things, I've done in a long time. I really regret the things I said about Donald Trump. Because I was really wrong.

Anyway, so I remember getting on the air, as soon as he announces. Or we know. And I said, that son of a bitch has been courting me this whole time. He has been setting me up for an endorsement. That's what this whole thing has been about.

And I assumed the worst of him. And that's not what it was about. I can tell you now, that's not what it was about. That is who he is. And he was just such a gracious guy. And I spat in his face for it. And I regret it.

But he's -- he's not anything that you think he is. Anything the press says he is, he's not that guy. And you know it, you know. The one thing I did say about him when I was saying bad things about him. The one thing I couldn't swear. And I kept saying this is the only thing that doesn't make sense is his kids are so unbelievable, and his daughters love him to death!

And you can't be that guy. How is it he has raised such great children?

And I thought, well, it's their mom. It's not.

I mean, I'm sure their mom played a role in that, but it's him too. They are -- they love him. And if you listen to, just watch the way they react about him.

I mean, my kids don't act that way about me. I mean, you know, they adore the man. Adore the man. And you can't fake that with your kids. They just won't do it. Just won't.

So is that the story you were trying to weasel out of me in my weakness?

STU: I almost got you to cry. So I was close. Got you down the road.

Got you down there.

GLENN: But I refused to go.

STU: I thought, if you would leave this tired, the tears would flow. Whatever. We got close.

GLENN: Yeah. Thanks a lot. Well, that's what we pay you for, apparently.

PREVIEW: George AI tells me the ONLY way to SAVE America

Glenn Beck previews his upcoming interview with George AI, an artificial intelligence he's creating for The Torch using ONLY writings from the founding era. And George has some incredible advice for how to save America ...

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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. I was at Mar-a-Lago last night. I've been trying to help raise funds for several organizations. I've been speaking at several fundraisers at Mar-a-Lago over the last couple of weeks. And it's -- it's an amazing thing to see how many people are just deeply, deeply engaged in saving our nation. And, you know -- you know, our -- our life. Our -- our fortune, and our sacred honor, comes to -- comes to mind.

The denegation of people. Last night, I was there, for the American Journey Experience. Which is an offshoot of Mercury One.

It's our history section. We announce that we are building a museum. A brick and mortar museum. We begin early next year.

And we had some really exciting things to say about that. We'll give you updates on that, as it goes. But we would love to have -- right now, you can come into a very small museum. I think we have -- I don't know. Maybe 10,000 square feet. I think our vault is 5,000 square feet. And, you know, we invite people in to see some of the things.

It's really by invitation only. Or if you call Mercury One, you can get in. But we will open up the museum. And it's not just a museum, it's also the teaching center.

So we were talking about that last night, and last night, I introduced for the first time, George AI. The interaction that I had with AI. Now, remember, this is proprietary technology. And information.

This is based on the library, that we have. Which is the third largest collection of founding documents in the world.

Only behind the national archives, and the library of Congress.

And it's all original sources. So it's all the writings of the Founders. All of the -- all of the writings that influence them. That we know, from their writing, they read this. Or they were basing these things on these different items.

It's the Federalist papers. It's all of the documents. It's all of their letters to each other. It's their personal writings.

It's the Bible. It's Blackstone's law. It's all of the things that they had access to that influenced them.

In a positive way, to build America. And we have George, which is the librarian.

And George is going to be a -- a system that will be able to give you answers to things.

And show you the actual documents.

But will be able to speak to you, in your own language. If you try to read the Founders now, it's so hard!

Because they were so smart! They're using words, like, I don't even know what that means.

And when you read the Founders, you usually to have read it with a dictionary, side by side.

It's difficult. And their language is so formal.

So it's hard for us to relate to them. But all of the knowledge, this deep, deep knowledge is there from these guys.

Ritually, they wrote.

I'm trying to remember, is it George Washington?

One of them wrote at a 70th grade level.

Seventieth grade. You know, and so they're just way advanced. Way advanced. We put all of this information into our own system. This is an AI system built by me and my team.

And it has pretty much like, if you will, an electric fence around it. It cannot go and pull information from the outside. And mix it, with the information from the inside. So it can go and we can import things and say, hey. I want you to look at this bill, and tell me, is this bill even constitutional?

What would the Founders even say about this bill?

And it will look at that bill, and then it will go through all of their, you know, discussions and everything else. Everything that is in that system, memorized from start to finish. Which starts hallucinations. And it will analyze that bill. Or it will analyze that story.

Or you can say, hey. I want my kids to understand the Bill of Rights.

In George AI, right now, is I don't even know how many thousands of sermons there are, from the pulpit, where the churches where these guys attended.

Because almost everything from the declaration and Bill of Rights came from the pulpits.

And it's amazing, when you read some of these sermons that these guys gave.

It will be on, you know, the right to life, liberty, and property.

I mean, that will be the sermon.

And today, everybody will be like, oh, I can't say that from the pulpit.

We have all these sermons that our laws were based on. These whys were based on.

And so you can ask him anything.

And so when you sit down, for the very time, and you're going to talk to George Washington or a reasonable facsimile of him, when you ask him -- my question was, we fed in all the conditions of what's happening in America today. And I wanted to have a conversation. And here's a bit of the very first conversation with George AI. Listen.

VOICE: George, we have programmed a lot of information and given you a lot of information on what's going on in today's America. Based on your writing and the writings of the rest of the Founders, what do you feel like is the biggest problem or where we should start to fix things?

VOICE: If I may speak plainly, my countrymen, the danger -- the greatest danger in our republic lies not in foreign arms or.

GLENN: May I stop you for a second. Can you dumb it down just a little bit.

VOICE: Okay. I do have 29 points and they're all referenced to exactly what we said in the past.

VOICE: Just in today's language. Okay. Okay. I get it.

Let me speak to Americans. If I'm honest, America's biggest problem isn't political or economic. It's all moral. You've drifted from the virtues that make liberty possible in the first place. Freedom. To be free, you have to discipline. You have to have faith. You have to have character.

And if you don't have any of those things, laws -- laws can't stop anything. And I mean little government terms, either weak or oppressive.

You have grown skeptical of truth. You're reckless with debt. You're comfortable blaming instead of building anything. And this my time, we've understood that self-governance begins with self-control. Do you even recognize what self-control is?

Public virtue matters more than public opinion. You keep electing these people, expecting things to change, but you haven't changed. The fix is not going to be found in Washington, DC. It's going to be found in every home, every school, every heart.

You know, where are the citizens who value duty over comfort? Principle over popularity?

America was built to be a moral and self-governing nation. It's only that foundation that will still save her.
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GLENN: Beginning January 5th, on the Torch. You can find information at Glenn Beck.com. You'll notice he started speaking. Because this is what you will see. At the beginning, I will have to do the interviews with him. Because compute power is so expensive.

And we'll ask you to write in. In fact, you can do it now. The Torch at GlennBeck.com.

What would you like to learn from the Founders. What would you like the children to learn from the Founders.

Would you like a posts from the Founders, on the Bill of Rights, or the Federalist papers. Or whatever.

What would you ask, if you could ask the Founders a question, what would you ask them.

At the beginning, because of compute power, we will be feeding those in. Examine then producing and rolling out every day, different podcasts or answers or whatever, from George AI. I -- I pray and I hope, and I'm -- and I'm -- I have pretty good advisers on what we're going to be able to do. And it depends on how many people are -- are using it. And -- and, you know, if we get people to help us in support.

Compute power, the cost of it will go down.

And we'll be able to afford bigger amounts of compute. And you'll be able to have a one-on-one conversation like I just did. Have a one-on-one conversation, and you'll notice at the beginning, he came out. Because this is the way. It's trained to give you the actual verbiage. And when he said, I have 29 points. Believe me, because we edited there. He went on.

And, oh, my gosh.

It gets tedious. But he has the 29 points. He can show you the documents. And it's all in his language. Or you can do what I did and say, just speak in language. Dumb this done. This needs to be understood by an 8-year-old.

And it will continue to adjust. You'll eventually, hopefully in the first year in 2026 for the 250th anniversary, you will be -- you will be able to say, I have a 15-minute commute, and I'm taking my kids to school every day. And it takes me 15 minutes to drive to solo.

And they need to understand, whatever it is.

They need to understand the civic responsibilities, they need to understand the
responsibility part of our rights.

Whatever it is. Can you develop a podcast? I need them to understand the Bill of Rights, so I would like to do it in the next ten days.

And it needs to be no longer each episode. Each episode needs to be no longer than 14 minutes. So you get into the car. And it's 14 minutes.

Eventually, when it's coming to you live, it will ask you questions. At the end, it will finish the podcast.

Then it will ask each member. You can say, I have an 8-year-old. 12-year-old.

And me. And I'm 40.

It will each of you questions, just to gauge, did you understand what was just taught?

And if you don't -- if -- if AI decides you don't really have it, you don't understand the real essence of this, it will then rejigger the next posts. So the next time you're in the car, going to and from school, it will adapt to you, to be able to go back and teach it more clearly.

And it will learn you. So it will learn, ah. The deficit is here. Or they're a more visual learner.

They're more of this kind of learner or whatever. They'll understand in stories or they understand just in facts, whatever. It will understand each member. And it will be able to teach them, directly, in their language.

The way they learn. I hope, this is my goal.

Because I feel like I -- I accomplish what I set out to accomplish with TheBlaze. I feel like I've accomplished that a few years ago, and I'm not good at treading water. And I feel like we accomplished our goal of my goal, at least, was to just open a door that others could walk through.
Open the door.

And show America and show talent, that you can start something yourself. You can do this on your own.

And you can present it in a way, that is just as credible and more -- just as, if not more powerful than any of the networks, and you don't have a boss breathing down your neck. You don't have people that you are having to answer to. You can speak your mind and tell the truth as you understand it and chart your own course. Nobody was doing that when I started TheBlaze.

I mean, the only people that had a spine. A backbone, if you will. A digital backbone, that could provide a live network kind of feed was Major League Baseball. They were the only ones. They were the first in to say, we can do a live sports coverage.

I partnered with Major League Baseball and say, can we use your spine? We want to do live news. We did. This is at a time when Netflix was still sending movies through the mail. Now, look at what's happened. So I think we've disrupted the news industry, we've disrupted all of that, destroyed it and reinvented it. This is my next phase of my life, probably the last chapter of my life. I want to do the same thing and disrupt education and the way we learn, and to show you an ethical way to use AI, one that you will not get lost into, it will always remain a tool in your hands, not the other way around.

FACT-CHECK: Is Tim Walz (politically) RETARDED?

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is mad that President Trump called him “retarded”, and that now people are driving past his house and calling him a retard. Glenn looks at the cold, hard facts: Is Tim Walz actually retarded…at least politically?

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GLENN: You're going to be upset by this. You're going to be seriously upset by this, okay? And I'm going to use -- only because I have to. Only because I have to. And 99 percent of me wants to. Okay. I lied. One hundred and two percent of me wants to use the R-word in this particular case. Tim Walz. Tim Walz is upset because the President has called him retarded.

Now, I think he might be retarded. Now, not necessarily, you know, I don't know what his IQ is. Probably pretty low. But I don't know if he's down to 60. But had you seen PQ is definitely under 60. His political quotient is definitely under 60. You know, the guy, hmm, he's, you know, I put him in the category of -- what was his name? Dean. Howard Dean. Yeah! Remember that guy who walked out. We're going to go to Virginia and Kentucky and Minnesota. Yeah!

And you're like, no. Dude, you just lost. You're not going anywhere past here.

I am not sure that he is clinically retarded. But in the playground sense, he's definitely retarded. You know what I'm saying, Stu?
STU: Yeah. Like how, you know, kids used to say it back in the day. Like that --

GLENN: Yeah, the playground.

STU: That general. Certainly, that definition, it would apply to him, I assume.

GLENN: Right. And, remember, that's the same point to where, all of us heard from our mothers, sticks and stones can break your bones, but words will hurt you. Remember? Remember that one? Remember that -- when you were called retarded or whatever on the playground. And you would go home, they called me retarded. And your mom would look at you like, yeah, well, maybe you are.

Or she just immediately said to you, sticks and stones will breaking just remember that. Just remember that, son. Words can never hurt you.

It doesn't matter what they say about you. We don't say that anymore.

STU: It was pretty good advice. Especially with the internet in mind. I don't think that's what our parents thought of at that time.

But it's much, much worse. And much more people seem to be affected by the words are violence sort of thought process. Like, that is -- that is real these days.

GLENN: I -- I also have a problem with a guy who, you know, surrounds himself with people who call the president a Nazi. I don't know. Which one is worse? A Nazi or a retarded?

STU: Yeah. Nazis were really bad. That's actually a serious accusation.

Fascist is another one.

Pretty serious accusation.

GLENN: Yeah, or just weird.

STU: I was just about to say that. That is exactly the reason he was on the ticket is because he was name-calling other people, and calling them weird.

It was his only qualification outside of he's -- you know, massively inept and corrupt.

All the other things that would, of course, qualify him to be on a democratic ticket. Outside of that. The only reason he stood out from all the other loser Democrats. Is that he said the word weird on TV once.

And Kamala Harris, who has admitted that the reason that she made. Or at least the day she made that decision. She was, quote, unquote, overtired. Why would you point that out?

I don't understand. But that the only theoretical reason he was on the ticket was because he was calling people names. He called them weird.

Which was another school -- was another like school play ground, like insult back in the day.

You're weird.

GLENN: Yeah, weirdo.

STU: Yeah. Weirdo.

Yeah, that was the way it was.

And so he's able to enjoy the benefits of calling people childish names.

But when he gets called those names, it gets really scary for him.

GLENN: I know. Well, he hasn't listened to his mother. He thinks words can actually hurt him.

Now, Stu, do we know, does he agree, does he agree with the -- the state senator that says that Minnesota won't survive without Somalians?

Can we play this, please?

It's cut four.

VOICE: State Senator Zaynab Mohamed said these attacks will stop with Somalis, and their contributions can't easily be erased.

VOICE: We are in every industry. And Minnesota will not be able to survive, nor thrive without Somalis.

STU: Hmm. Really? Is that accurate?

That the -- the state of Minnesota cannot survive without the Somali community.

Now, my understanding was that they are relatively new to the state, which has survived for a very long time before their arrival.

I would also note, Glenn. And you might be able to help me with this one.

This one, we will get deep here. And I understand at times, the audience hears us get deep into science and mathematics.

GLENN: Oh, we're known for that. We're known.

STU: We're known.

And I understand sometimes it will be confusing. You're driving to work. Hearing all these numbers.

Maybe if you looked at them on a spreadsheet, you would be able to recognize what's going on.

When you're in your car, it's hard to internalize all of this.

I'm going to try to lay it out. Because I don't understand it. And maybe you do.

What we understand is about a billion dollars of fraud, not all of it from the Somali community. But the vast majority seemingly coming from the Somali community. And then the comeback to that was that Somali community pays about 67 million dollars in taxes, every year.

So can you do the math on this?

One of the numbers is a billion. And the other one is 67 million.

Which one do you think is more important?

Which one is higher. Do we need to get AI.

GLENN: Tim Walz. Tim Walz.

67 million.

STU: 67 million. Or a billion. That's the question. Which one is larger?

GLENN: Four.

You mean with four?

Four.

STU: Now, if you think about it, Glenn, the first number in both of those. Like 1 billion, the first number is a one.

67 million, the first number is a 6.

GLENN: Six is bigger than one!

STU: Right? Six is bigger than one. Six is bigger than one!

GLENN: That's what's going on here.

GLENN: I would say. I would say, there are 933 reasons to say, anyone who says that that math works out. Is retarded.

Okay? It doesn't work out. Now, look, even though, they generate $500 million every year.

Okay. All right. And then they give back out of that, their taxes. Out of that.

Which this itself, it doesn't make sense to me. $500 million in revenue is what they generate. But then they pay in taxes $67 million. But what we're missing here is the $1 billion of fraudulent money being taken from the taxpayer.

So the 500 million doesn't do anything.

Okay?

STU: Still smaller.

GLENN: Still going to the Somali community.

Half. Half.

Dare I say it. Half of the size of what they just -- yeah. Okay.

I don't know. Can Grok do that? That's like a ten-year problem.

Ten-year problem!

Anyway, you have half. That number doesn't even -- you have 1 billion that's been stolen. 67 million that has been paid in taxes. That leaves $933 million, that is a deficit.

That -- you remain -- $933 million in the hole. I think we can survive without that. You mean -- I mean, sure, we don't get your 500 million.

But that's -- that's okay. That's okay.

Because we would have a billion dollars, that you didn't take.

STU: Yeah. That's right. I think we would be ahead. And, by the way, that's if -- that's if we took every Somali and just lumped them into this, which is not.

I'm sure there are some Somalis that are, you know, part of that 500 million, that are not crooked.

STU: I'm sure.

GLENN: They can stay. They're fine.

STU: I'm certain of that. In fact, I would argue, those are the people likely paying the 67 million people in taxes.

The people who were stealing all the money. Weren't paying taxes on it, which is kind of the problem. In fact, all that money that came from the state was specifically designed so they don't have to pay taxes on it.

The programs were designed, of course, when you're talking about a low income person, right?

You're not going to charge them taxes on their autism treatment. Of course, those weren't really treating kids with autism. So the actual productive members of this society, were instead paying those taxes to fund the corrupt Somalis who were stealing all the money.

And, you know, again, we've made this point a million times. And I think it holds here. Maybe treat people like individuals, right?

Maybe don't -- don't -- people -- there are members of the Somali community, that I'm sure are very important to -- to the -- to the state. They probably are great. Probably great people in that community.

I can tell you, we know with these charges. That there were a lot of people that were not living up to that expectation. Those people should be punished.

We shouldn't hide from it. We shouldn't act as if this isn't a massive problem from this group people. Charge the people responsible for it. Stop acting like we need them to survive. We don't need criminals survive as a country or a state.

GLENN: Let me just -- I have to go back to Tim Walz being upset about the retarded thing.

Play cut two, please.

VOICE: This creates danger. And I'll tell you what, in my time on this, I had never seen this before. People driving by my house and using the R-word in front of people. This is shameful. And I have yet to see an elected official, a Republican-elected official say, that's right. It's shameful. He should not say it.

Look, I'm worried. We know how these things go. They starts with taunts. They turn to violence.

STU: Taunts! Founder of the taunts of weird.

GLENN: That's weird.

STU: Thinks that that taunt can lead to violence. That's so strange.

GLENN: Who is living in the world of, he's a fascist Nazi.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Okay. Now suddenly, and I've never seen this.

I've never seen anything like this, Stu.

Never seen anything like this. I'm in my house, and people are driving by my house, rolling down their windows, and just screaming "retard" out.

That's going to lead to violence. That's going to lead to violence.

STU: Violence.

GLENN: No. No. It's not nice. And it's wrong. Jesus wouldn't have done it. But I don't think Jesus had to put up with all these retards as politicians, quite honestly.

I mean, I can't -- I can't answer for that. I don't know.

STU: I --

GLENN: I'm not a Biblical scholar or scientist or mathematician.

STU: We've learned that. We can't even tell numbers apart.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: But I will say, while you're right, it's obviously not -- I wouldn't tell my -- teach my children to behave that way.

GLENN: No. It is shameful. It's not right. It's not right.

STU: I will say, it's wrong to do. I will also say, it's objectively funny, picturing Tim Walz looking out his window and hearing people yell the R-word at him when he's going out to get his mail.

And people -- like, it's an objectively funny scenario.

GLENN: Every time. It is. It is. It is funny.

STU: It's bad. It's wrong that it's funny. But it's objectively funny.

GLENN: No, it's horrible.

STU: But it's objectively funny. There's no way -- there's no way to read it.

Look, I'm sure the left laughed, because -- think of what they did with J.D. Vance. They called him weird, right?

Because he ran, came up from a very poor upbringing. And rose to the levels of -- high levels of wealth and achievement and power.

They called that weird.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

STU: That he loved his family.

And they -- they celebrated.

GLENN: We call that the American dream.

STU: Yeah. That used to be the American dream. Now it's weird. They, of course, yell this all the time.

They make the meme of him looking like you would say, potentially retarded would be the example of the meme they've created, to mock J.D. Vance.

They constantly mock him with this. But that doesn't lead to violence. Calling people Nazis don't lead to violence.

Despite the fact that we have seen the president of the United States, taking a bullet after all of this has happened. We saw a Charlie Kirk get assassinated at a stage. After people said that about him.

But it's the R-word being yelled at Tim Walz when he goes to get -- when he waddles out to get his mail.

That's the thing we're supposed to be concerned about?

No. No.

GLENN: I mean, I don't want to see this in real life. I don't want this to happen.

Because it is wrong. But I do want somebody to create an AI reproduction of just some kids driving by.

And he's in his fuzzy slippers getting newspaper in the morning.

And these kids, like in American graffiti, going, hey, retard.

I mean, I do kind of want to see that. I do. I do. Yeah. It's wrong. It's wrong of me.

All right.

Gov. Abbott and Glenn Beck discuss SCOTUS vindication of Texas redistricting map

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott joins Glenn Beck to discuss the Supreme Court's "total vindication" of state Republicans' new redistricting map, why he's putting CAIR on notice, and whether he's still going after the EPIC City Islamic development outside of Dallas.

Transcript

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GLENN: Yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled they ruled that the G.O.P. drawn congressional map for the next election can be used.

But I believe there's some other cases that are following, that might change that. But right now, the G.O.P. can use them.

Governor Abbott is here to comment on this from the great state of Texas.

Hello, Governor Abbott. How are you?
GREG: Hey, Glenn. Doing great. How are you doing?

GLENN: I'm good. I'm good.

Good news yesterday for Republicans in the state of Texas. Tell me how you view this.

GREG: Well, it's huge news for Republicans in Texas. And I will tell you, also, Republicans across the United States of America. But many more importantly, huge news, for the Constitution and for the Supreme Court President. With the Supreme Court made clear yesterday. And that is this trial court that ruled against Texas, completely abandoned and ignored Supreme Court precedent.

And -- and the Supreme Court made clear that the Trump court was wrong on the facts. Wrong on the law.

And this was maybe the worst briefdown of a lower court decision, that I've ever seen imposed by the United States Supreme Court. So this is total vindication for the state of Texas. For the legislature. For what all of us did. In drawing these maps. These maps were drawn for two reasons: One, to make sure that they fully complied with the United States Constitution, and with the Supreme Court precedent.

But second and very important thing here. What's allowed is to ensure that we are able to draw a map, to truly represent the values of the people of our state.

Our state, like some other states have had districts, congressional districts, hijacked by far progressive leftists that don't represent our state values. We're able to redraw those lines in a way for political reasons, to ensure we will have representation, that truly represents the values of our state. And as a result, we should be picking five more Republican seats in the state of Texas,
in the United States Congress.

STU: Governor, are we seeing the end of these challenges? Do we think this is locked in now, or is there still more to come?

GREG: Well, there will be more to come in the sense that the United States Supreme Court will have briefing on this issue and then a total final decision. But if you look at what the opinion says, they allowed us to move forward with our elections on the maps that we passed this summer.

Based upon their conclusion, that the state of Texas is likely to win upon further briefing. Upon further decision making by the Supreme Court.

This was a preliminary stage decision. So it could stay definitively. They could articulate based upon everything they've seen, from the lower court decisions. And based upon US Supreme Court precedent -- was going to win. You know, one thing that is very important here, and they did this just last year. The United States Supreme Court issued a decision on restricting, that was -- the guidepost for how this was supposed to be decided by the lower court.

And the lower court completely abandoned that United States Supreme Court precedent, and the Supreme Court beat down the lower court for violating that precedent.

For reasons which no one can understand. The lower court is well off on its own. It seemed like it wanted to dictate an outcome and wrote a decision to -- without -- without applying the law, without applying the facts.

GLENN: How -- how are we going to get these lower courts under control?

GREG: You know, listen, you raise a very important issue. Because we have problems with the lower courts and redistricting. We have problems with lower courts in so many of these other areas. You see leftist courts across the country.

They're doing things that the president can't look forward to. And the National Guard let them.

The President is fully authorized by the United States Constitution and by federal law to be able to deploy the National Guard for the purpose of protecting federal employees, like ICE, whenever and however the President decided to do it.

And some of these rulings, in that regard. In other ways, we have lower federal district courts, that are abandoning the Constitution, this Constitution. Abandoning their obligation to follow the law. This is a real problem.

GLENN: So a couple of days ago, you celebrity a letter to Secretary Bessent. About suspending CAIR's tax-exempt status. Can you talk a little bit about that?

GREG: Sure. The letter I've got is for Secretary Bessent. It's a request to deny CAIR. And for your listeners, CAIR stands for Council on American-Islamic Relations. And the letter requesting that they be denied their 501(c)(3) status is based upon an earlier document that was issued. Which was a proclamation that CAIR is a foreign terrorist organization.

Now, and, Glenn, let me just connect a couple of dots here. That will show why we're making this allegation.

For one, for -- for detection, CAIR has been intertwined with terrorism.

And there are three organizations.

That operate in the shadow way, in collaboration with each other.

So if you would, follow along, as I connect a couple of dots. Hamas is a at the scene I go natured foreign terror organization bit United States of America.

Hamas is a branch of the Muslim brotherhood in Gaza. Trump as you probably know is considering ending the Muslim brotherhood. A terrorist foreign organization.

Then, the federal documents connect CAIR with the Muslim Brotherhood.

And as we've articulated, CAIR has historic connections to terrorism.

A founder of the Texas branch of terror was convicted by a jury in Dallas, for providing financing for terrorism.

And then more recently, just last month, an illegal immigrant from Jordan in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, with an order to be deported.

And the tee portation order required a in my understanding it he actually provided material support for terrorism!

And then after that, last month, CAIR fought to keep this material supporter of terrorism in the state of Texas, and they even called him a pillar of the community.

Here's the bottom line: If CAIR doesn't want to be labeled as a terrorist organization, if it wants to shed its early ties to terrorism, it needs to stop supporting those who are identified by the federal government as supporters of terrorism. But because they haven't, you know -- they haven't completely abandoned their connection to terrorism. Because they support terrorists to this day. That is exactly why they deserve, for one, to be labeled a foreign organization.

And for another, why they should not be receiving the benefits of a 501(c)(3) organization.

GLENN: Tell me about Epic, otherwise now going to be renamed the Meadow. Does that mean the investigation is going to stop?

GREG: Absolutely not. Let me explain. For one, Epic, as you know, is this compound that was put together by an Islamic organization in the Dallas County area. It was a massive compound, and it was structured in a way that it would be a Muslim-only community which directly violates Texas law.

And so we -- we did you go into the documents they were using to create this program. And the documents themselves were in violation of Texas law. I'll just give you one quick example of many that would exist, and that is. If you had gone out and bought land that was in this compound area, and you wanted to sell that property later, you couldn't just sell it to anybody you wanted to.

You had to go through the local imam and get the imam's approval about whether or not you could sell the property and who you could sell it to.

And if the imam disapproved, you would have to sell it to the imam. That was one way they would to have control and make sure that was to be a Muslim-only community. For that and other reasons. And for our investigations, they knew they were never going to be able to break ground, on the Epic City compound, there in Dallas County area, so they completely abandoned Epic City. And now that they've come up with a new name called the Meadow. Well, listen, a name-change doesn't -- doesn't purge the legal flaws that they have already incurred in the process.

And that's why we still have ongoing investigations. We have something like five state agencies that are conducting investigations as we speak right now.

There's the attorney general's office. The Texas Rangers. The Texas Security Board. The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. And the housing authority here in the state of Texas. All looking into the practices, and they've already been established by this Islamic organization. Which we believe, again, is trying to set up a program under a -- a less offensive name, the Meadow. Just because they changed names to Meadow, it doesn't mean they're going to be able to set up an Islamic-only community there in the Dallas County area.

GLENN: The cleric behind this thing is a pretty radical guy. Now, he says he's not radical anymore.

But, I mean, he was openly calling for the death of homosexuals. You know, the death of Jews.

There's recordings of him saying, let's see here.

One recording says, preaching about vices and mandate executions under Sharia law in Islam.

This is part of our religion. To kill, by the way, the homosexual.

This is our religion. He says, well, no. I was just talking about that happen. It was radical. But I'm not radical like that anymore.

But, I mean, he says horrible, horrible things.

Is he under investigation? Do you know about him?

GREG: Yeah. Anybody and everybody, involved in this entire process is going to be under investigation.

First, let's go back to what you were talking about. Because as part of the method of operation. That many Muslim organizations in Texas and the United States operate under.

And it's part of their international program. Where they literally talk out of both size of their mouth.

They -- they have these -- like what you were talks about, to impose Sharia law. Sharia standards.

While at the same time, you know, they come out and says, well, we're just a civil white organization trying to back all Americans, which is hogwash. And so all of them -- and this needs to be vigilant, about following exactly what they're doing.

Ignoring the candy coating on what they're saying. But looking at what their true intentions are.

And that is to take over land in the state of Texas, or other states, and they're doing this in states across the entire country.

Take over land. And then slowly impose their -- their Sharia policies, whether it be enforcement through the courts or compound community, as well as the case may be. And that's why we are investigating this from top to bottom.

GLENN: Great. Governor thank you so much.

Appreciate your time. And we look forward to talking to you again.

God bless. Stay safe. You bet. Greg Abbott.

How Somalis in Minnesota are FUNNELING Tax Dollars to Terror Groups

Minnesota is facing what may be the largest welfare fraud scheme in American history. Christopher Rufo joins Glenn Beck to expose how Somali-run networks siphoned hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds through fake child-care and food programs, money that federal officials say was funneled through Somalia’s Hawala system, where Al-Shabaab takes its cut. Rufo reveals how state leaders protected these networks, how political incentives and “suicidal empathy” blinded Minnesota’s institutions, and why the corruption spreading through the welfare system is far more widespread than anyone wants to admit. This is not just a crime story... It’s a warning about immigration policy, cultural incompatibility, and the collapse of accountability in modern liberal states.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: So I first ran into Chris Rufo, oh, I don't even know how many lifetimes ago. He was working for the city journal. And he was starting to uncover things. And he started to do investigations on things he cared about. And all of a sudden, he's one of the best investigative reporters out there.

Extraordinarily credible.

Right almost every single time.

And he is joining us, at the Blaze. He is the host now of his own TV show. Rufo and Lomez.

And he is the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago. About the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group. Al-Shabaab. I don't know. Is that a problem?

Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax. Am I more outraged than the people of Minnesota?

I mean, I know there's origins up there. So Norwegians are like, yeah, sure. I mean, you know, they don't seem to get very excited about. And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else. They're very big heart. Blah, blah, blah. And they don't seem to -- you know, Swedish, Norwegian, you know. But is there any point where they're outraged? Is there any point where they're like, you know what, this socialization thing is good, but not like this? This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this. I mean, you have a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers. A billion.

Is -- and I don't hear anything from the people of -- I mean, if you're -- if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money -- you knew was being taken away from children who need food, they were faking all kinds of health issues for other children, and so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group. Wouldn't you be kind of pissed?

Because I know I would be.

Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think. If it was my state. I don't think the governor would be in the governor's office. But maybe that's just had he. Christopher Rufo joins me now.

Chris, we were just talking about -- thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things you have exposed over the years. Thank you for doing all of the hard work, and being credible the whole time.

It doesn't -- am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis? Because they don't seem to have a problem with it. Is it just me?

JASON: It's even more bizarre, actually. You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about. Which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted, or asylum, refugee status into the United States. Has now systematically looted the Treasury of the state of Minnesota. But Minnesota politicians are also outraged, but they're outraged that we notice this.

And that we've called this out. And that we're saying, this is not okay. So you have the mayor of Minneapolis, speaking in Somali, saying that he will do whatever he can.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CHRIS: Do whatever he can to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.

And, I mean, find this borderline suicidal. And the Scandinavian. Kind of the Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota, is just being statistically exploited. And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.

GLENN: Yeah. I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in -- you know, in -- in Minnesota.

It's just -- they take the kindness and the socialized everything. And they just absolutely abuse it, until there is nothing left.

And, you know, I don't -- let me ask the question.

And I want to be really careful here. Because I -- and I know you're not.

Nobody is reasonably saying this. That all Somalis just want to rip us off. Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia, because it is an absolutely corrupt system.

And now, our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia. And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia and Minnesota is for that.

But when you -- when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.

It is so rife with corruption. Is this something that is being imported, or is this just a handful of bad guys?

CHRIS: Well, it's a little bit of both. And as you said, we have to be careful and precise as we think about it. What's happening, obviously, not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.

GLENN: Correct.

CHRIS: But it's true that many, many, many, many -- an extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes, prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated. And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases hundreds of families. And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population. But the -- the point is this: Related to immigration. We always have had an immigration system that makes group level analysis.

And so small ease, for example, for many decades, now, have been given special privileges, in America's immigration system.

You have special status for asylum, for refugee programs. And so we have rewarded Somalis on the basis of -- of a group identity.

And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey. Wait a minute.

We can't take everyone from around the world. We have to prioritize by group.

We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.

And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals. They're coming as a community. And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people. Wonderful Somalis.

The incredible Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali.
Incredible woman.

GLENN: Incredible.

CHRIS: But the fact is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States, and they are just fundamentally incompatible. That's the brass tacks. The bottom line. The end of the story.

And -- and what I was looking for and hoping for, was that Somali leaders would stand up and say, what's happening in our community is wrong.
We're going to work with. We're going to work with law enforcement to stamp out this corruption within our own house. But instead, they have gone just the opposite. They are promising that members of their communities. No criticism. And should operate with impunity.

GLENN: Tim Walz and even the mayor. How do they survive this?

CHRIS: Here's -- here's the actual, sad truth. I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians. But there's something about liberal culture, where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, you know, theft, can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad. And as a form of penance or -- or -- or kind of self-flagellation. We have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes. And so I'm actually pessimistic, and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up. And command that this corruption stop.

GLENN: You know, I remember Michele Bachmann came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe '9. And she sat me down and she said, Glenn, you have to pay attention to what's happening to my State Department, in Minnesota.

And I said, what do you mean?

She said, they're moving whole communities into Minnesota. And she's like -- and I said, communities. What do you mean?

She said, Somalis.

And I'm like, why would they be moving to Minnesota? What?

You miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year? And she said, no. She said, it is the State Department.

It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota, and moved people in as a communist community.

Was this -- was this done. I mean, I'm having a hard time separating.

Like USAID.

I know what that is. We all know what that is. This is corruption. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

Is this incompetence, just corruption?

Is there planning involved in this.

Is this, you know, I hate America so much.

Cloward and Piven.

What is this?

GLENN: So there are two arguments that have been floated to answer, this an attempt to answer this question.

The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power. And by importing dependent foreign groups into the -- into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes. In exchange for patronaging. Or in this case, corruption.

And that is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power. The other hypothesis. And I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis. Is that this is just simple, liberal, naivete. And a kind of suicidal empathy, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

They judge on inputs rather than outputs. And for them, the measure is how compassionate they can be.

And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles. You know, it might be a combination of the two. But I don't -- you know, again, barring evidence that emerges, I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

GLENN: How do we know for sure that money went to Al-Shabaab?

CHRIS: Great question. First of all, there have been schemes over the last decade, where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up. And, in fact, it's really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America. But on a particular question of Al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey. Some of this money is getting siphoned off. And essentially taxed by the Al-Shabaab terror network. Once it leaves the United States. And goes into the Somali informal banking system. But this is really not in dispute. Even a left-evening group like the foundation for domestic democracy has long noted that Al-Shabaab skins almost all remittance that travel through the country of Somalia.

And, therefore, it stands to reason, if -- if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali, through the remittence system, and Al-Shabaab is taking their cut. We're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional, that the end result is the same. Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and routed through their network.

STU: So how is this stopped?

Because I don't think anything in Minnesota will happen. How's this stop?

It feels honestly. Know better than I do. It feels like the tip of the iceberg. I mean, today, the story from the GAO on Obamacare. That's completely out of control. USAID. This is happening.

I mean, tip of the iceberg. How do we stop this, if our politicians won't do anything in the states?

CHRIS: Well, there's two things that we can do. I think first off, in this particular case. Federal prosecutors have done a great job, uncovering these Somali fraud rings. And implementing prosecutions. And so they really deserved enormous credit.

But the federal government should do much more.

And I would recommend that Health and Human Services. And other departments at the federal level. Start all payments to Minnesota. Until they have a third party audit. Until they get their fraud under control.

And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money, if you want them to change their behavior. And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud. Will help clean things up fairly quickly.

The reality is, we have a system in the United States. Where it's always a third party payer.

Health insurance, welfare programs. Food stamps, autism services.

Whatever it might be. These are massive third person payer programs. The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules. And they become easy targets for fraudsters.

And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS: And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.

And it is, by all accounts. From all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest statistic welfare fraud scheme, in American history.