RADIOApril 11, 2023

Financial expert ANSWERS: Should you pay off your debt NOW?

Carol Roth, financial expert and author of ‘You Will Own Nothing,’ joins Glenn to discuss what our economy could be facing next. We may soon experience ‘inflation like you can’t believe,’ Glenn says, so is NOW the time to pay off all your debt? Roth, who does not provide financial advice but rather gives the information you need to make your own, informed decisions, explains why paying off all your investment debts (like a mortgage) NOW may actually be less beneficial in the long run…

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GLENN: So we have Carol Roth on. And this hour of the broad and podcast, we have been talking about the Fed Now system. And how that system by itself is not anything to do with the digital dollar.

However, it does make the digital dollar, should they introduce it, more effective.

And they could settle in realtime, just like Bitcoin now can do.

And so it's important that you know, that this is a needed step for the modern world.

However, I don't trust them on anything that they do.

So when they say, no, this is it. That's all we're doing. Don't believe that. Don't believe that. But understand, the Fed Now system is different than a digital dollar.

We have Carol Roth in. And before we get into this next thing, Carol, I want to share with you an experience I had with a friend the other day.

And this friend is somebody who will like, come to me and say, okay. Better worse, or about the same?

And they don't want to -- they don't want to look at things. Because they were hoping I was wrong. I hope that I'm wrong. I hope we find a way to turn this around. I don't think we're going to, just based on past performance. But we could.

And they've kind of wanted to not be so freaked out by it. And I understand it.

But they said something to me, that I immediately connected with. And I think it's important to say, to you, the audience, that -- because you might go through this. And don't fear it.

There was a time I said, off-air. When we were back -- this was back 2012, when everything was coming clearer on the path that we were on. And I used to say, every day, when I would get off the air, I would say -- I would just burst out in tears, and I would say, I feel like I'm watching my child, smothered in a crib, and I can't do anything. And no one will listen to stop it.

And it is just trauma every day. Because I loved my country. And I saw that we are headed in exactly the wrong way. And no one will do anything.

And this is intentional. And so I went through that period. But I got past it. And I realized now, that is just one of the phases of grief.

You are going to go through grief, as we lose some of the things, that we have always traditionally known.

It's better to do it now. Than it is, when the time comes. You won't have time for the grief then.

People will be grieving. You have to help them.

You have to be logical, and think your way through everything.

So embrace it.

Learn, get your morning over with, so you're strong and back up on your feet, when these things come. Would you agree with that?

CAROL: Yeah. Yeah. I would like to share too, I have gone through that personally. My husband has gone through that personally. This is something that everybody who has been following this, this is part of the process. I called it smothering the baby. For me, it was the train in slow motion, going off the tracks, and feeling like you can't stop it.

And the reality is, we may not be able to stop the train from going off the tracks. But I can't personally take shelter.

That's what you have to do. You cannot panic here.

You have to prepare. And say, what is it that I can do?

I may not be able to stop the huge financial order. That's a huge, tall order. But what can I do in my life? To make myself more prepared? Then if things go badly, at least I know I can get through that difficult period. My family, my friends can do that. And the more people you educate and work with together, on a community level.

I think the more opportunities you're going to have to share, to cope, to work together

So it's really about taking that personal responsibility, and controlling the peace that you can.

GLENN: And I think this is really important.

You bring up the train. I like that a lot.

Because if you're on the train. You need to prepare. You need to secure yourself and prepare for impact.

That is critically important. If you're watching the train. You're not on the train, you see it coming.

You need to say, it blankets. Get a -- call the ambulance.

Get some doctors here.

We need some help. So you prepare, whether we're on it or off it. And that's critical. And I believe that's where this audience is meant to be.

Those people that help others. So let me go back to the fed.

We were talking about what is coming. And honestly, I have had people say to me. Glenn, we can sell our national parks.

I'm like, what? I don't want to sell our national parks. And they said, we're off the gold standard. We're off the oil. But we have all kinds of things we can back a dollar with.

Uh-huh. I don't like probably any of the solutions, they would come up with. However, they have come up with another solution. And it's called modern monetary theory.

And I've explained it in one of my books. I think two of my books. It's important to understand. But the just of it is, the government can spend as much as it wants. And they can print as much money.

Now, you would say, well, what about inflation?

They say, as long as we can control the spending down to the level of the individual, this is why it's never worked. Because they've had to do mass things like, you know, raise the -- you know, the finance rates.

Raise the loan rates. And that just doesn't work, and you're playing. It's not an accurate science. And it's behind the spending.

So you're always playing catchup. Or you're prognosticating. And that's always bad. This, a digital currency. Can actually stop the spending today, on certain products.

It can also then ration today, by the way, having to have some system that everybody has to know.

That's their way out of the inflation, that we are going to have to print, and the fed is going to have to buy, and put on their books.

Do you agree or disagree, Carol?

CAROL: So I will say, that's what they believe to be their way out of inflation perhaps.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

CAROL: Is I call them MMT magic money tree. It's a theory, that people that believe in unicorns. Believe in.

They say there's an element of control there. That's why, real modern monetary theory has never been tried. And every time it's been tried, it hasn't worked. But they're looking for that element of control. And what you have to understand, imagine that every dollar that you had in your pocket, had a micro chip in it.

And that somebody else could track everything that you do, and regardless, of whether it's that they want control you from a social credit standpoint, or they want to control you from a monetary theory standpoint, they can make the decisions, to let you access that money that is yours. That is supposed to be able to, by the way, a proxy for your productivity.

You know, Glenn, you mentioned, what backs the US dollar? What backs the US dollar, is American productivity and ingenuity.

That's the backing of it. That's what it's supposed to stand for. But every time that you say, okay. Productivity is equal to this unit of money, and then you go and you print more money, well, you just devalued that equation. So that is what they're going to do.

And they're going to try to do that as a conduit to get themselves out of it. Which, by the way, won't work. Because there are things called logic and reason and math.

GLENN: Yes. Yes. But it will give them control. And people will say that's a conspiracy theory.

Let me play something from Christine LaGuardia. From the French central bank. Their Federal Reserve. Listen to this exchange she's having with somebody she thinks is Vladimir Zelinsky.

Listen to this.

GLENN: There are many protests in Europe against the electronic euro. No, the problem is, they don't want to be controlled.

They don't want to --

VOICE: Yeah. But you know what. You know what.

Now we have in Europe, this threshold, above 1,000 euros.

You cannot pay in cash. If you do, you are on the gray market.

So you take your risk.

You get caught. You are fined. Or you go to jail.

But, you know, the -- the digital euro is going to have a limited amount of control. They will be controlled. Right.

You're completely right.

We are considering whether for very small amounts. You know, anything that is around 300, 400 euros. We could have a mechanism, where there is zero control. But that could be dangerous.

The terrorist attacks on France. About ten years ago. And highly financed by those very small anonymous credit cards, that you can recharge in total anonymity.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

So there will be control.

But we're going to let people have like $500, that they could spend, that won't be tracked. But we're not sure. Because that's the way terrorists would use it. That's total control.

CAROL: Let me read you another thing.

This is, by the way, on the White House's website. So I can tweet out the link to it. But in March of 2021, President Biden made remarks to the Business Roundtable. Which is, you know, all of the major company CEOs in the United States

And said, you know, I believe we're at an reflection point in the world economy, not just the world economy in the world.

It occurs every three or four generations. Dot, dot, dot. And now, at a time when things are shifting. There will be a New World Order out there.

And he says, we have to lead it.

The question you have to ask yourself is, who is we?

Because I'm pretty sure, Glenn, that you're not in we, I'm in we, your listeners are not in the we. It's all of those people who are working together, to control, to jockey, to position themselves, to control every finite resource out there. Because they see it.

They have told us, they see this shift is happening. They're working. All these things that are happening, are working. So that they can control every resource. And make sure, you will own nothing.

That is where that comes from.

GLENN: We're with Carol Roth. Carol, you stay with me, one more break.

The number one question that comes in from listeners for you.

Is should I pay off all my debts?

What should I do?

Because if you're right, inflation like you can't believe, is coming through. So what does that mean?

Get that answer from you, here in just a second.

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GLENN: Carol Roth is with us now. She's the author of the new book, you will own nothing. It is based on the great reset. And what is coming in our country. It is also a great companion book. Comes out about the same time, with my book called Dark Future.

I show all of the things that are in place, and planning now for the second phase of the great reset. That will boggle your mind.

But she goes down and the bets into the nitty-gritty on what should you do, and what is coming. So let's go there. Because one of the real questions. I hear this all the time. Why don't I just go out and a buy a a bunch of stuff. Because then I could have a loan at a low interest rate, and then I'll pay it off, and then with inflated dollars. That seems scary.

CAROL: Yeah. So people sometimes don't differentiate between the debt that is used for spending, and debt that is used for investing.

There's good and bad debt. You don't want to be taking on debt for your spending, but you want to be able to use it productively for an investment.

If you can get a better return on your investment than the cost you have to pay for the debt, by using it.

One of the reasons people take out debt for a house over time, right?

So that's one of the big questions that I've been getting. And there seems to be a lot of confusion about what happens to debt, if everything goes south, and we end up in hyperinflation. People are saying, we end up in this hyperinflation scenario. Does it make sense for me to pay off my debt now? And so I just want to walk through the thought process on this. If the dollar loses purchasing power, it's actually good for your fixed rate debt. So assuming your house has a fixed interest rate on it, and you have a fixed amount of debt on it. Let's say as an extreme example, the prices of everything doubled due to the dollar degradation. Well, then your debt is really in a sense worth half as much as it is today. In the future.

So you have to be thinking about it, in that sense. Do you really want to take something out of your investments and pay that down, as a solution if your debt is going to have -- you know, be, quote, unquote, worth less in the future on a relative basis. So, again, I'm not a financial adviser.

This is not financial advice. But just giving people things to think through, because your audience is so fabulous. They send me questions all the time. And that is one of the big areas of misunderstanding. Is what should I do?

Now paying down debt from a behavioral standpoint, is always a good thing. Paying down debt on your spending is always a good thing. But something that is for an investment, you know, if you're worried about what happens to it, during hyperinflation, it's actually the inverse of what you're thinking.

GLENN: Carol, thank you. How do people contact you, by the way?

CAROL: Yeah. So CarolRoth.com. There's a contact form there. And then as you had mentioned, the new book, you will own nothing is on pre-order. Companion people are buying yours and mine together. And like you said, most importantly thing is mine does have that action plan.

You learn all the things that are happening, like you learn in your book, Dark Future.

But how to fight back. This is about how we can actually own everything. This isn't a scare tactic.

The idea is to inform and make sure that you own everything.

We want you to still be able to have the American dream.

GLENN: That is so important. Books really do make a good companion to each other. We kind of have worked on them kind of in a way, that way.

CAROL: Yes. Together.

GLENN: So you can understand the big picture. Know what is real, what is not real, and then, what do I do about it?

The book, mine is Dark Future. You can order it now.

Hers is, you will own nothing, by Carol Roth. Order them together, wherever you buy your books.

Carol, thank you so much.

CAROL: Thanks as always, Glenn.

GLENN: God bless.

REPUBLICANS Just Passed a HATE SPEECH Bill Under the Guise of “Antisemitism”

The House of Representatives just passed a bill to combat “antisemitism” with the majority of both parties on board. But there’s one big problem with the bill: It’s not an “antisemitism” bill, Glenn says. It’s a hate speech bill. Glenn explains why, although he’s been accused of defending Jews TOO MUCH, he’s “dead set against” this bill: “The only one who can remove the hate in someone's heart is God. Government can't fix human hearts.” Glenn also explains why constitutionalists must defend the pro-Palestinian protesters’ right to free speech — not violence — no matter how despicable it is.

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GLENN: The House of Representatives passed a major anti-Semitism bill on Wednesday. Which would crack down on anti-Semitism on college campuses, as protests raged nationwide. So you're now not saying that this is going to be for everybody. This is just through the Department of Education.

Legislation was opposed by 21 Republicans and 70 Democrats. The legislation seeks to make the Department of Education adopt the international Holocaust remembrance alliances. Definition of anti-Semitism, when enforcing the 1964 Civil Rights Act on college campuses. Now, I had to look it up. What is the international Holocaust remembrance alliances definition of anti-Semitism?

Well, they define anti-Semitism as, and I'm quoting. A certain perception of Jews. Which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews.

It also defines it as a heretical and physical manifestation of anti-Semitism, and directed towards your or non-Jewish individuals, and/or their property.

Towards the Jewish community, institutions, and religious facilities.

Examples of anti-Semitism include calling for the harming of the Jewish people, in the name of racial or extremist view of religion. And accusing Jewish people of inventing and/or exaggerating the Holocaust. The combat, anti-Semitism movement hailed the passage as a momentous achievement. And said, works remains to be done to get it through the Senate and President Joe Biden's desk. While we celebrate this milestone. Our work is far from over. We now need to urgently call upon Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer to prioritize the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act. Okay.

So there are the 20 Republicans in the House, that stood up. Florida representative, Matt Gaetz, opposed the bill. He said, this is a hate speech bill.

Anti-Semitism is wrong. But the legislation is written without regard for the Constitution, common sense, or even common understanding of the meaning of the words. If this bill would pass, the gospel itself would meet the definition of anti-Semitism under the terms of this bill. Democratic lawmakers including hoist minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries has also called for the passage of the bill. The countering anti-terrorism act. Or anti-Semitism act. The bill would combat anti-Semitism through the appointment of a new presidential adviser, that would be charged with implementing the White House's coordinated strategy in dealing with anti-Semitism.

What could possibly go wrong here?

The effort to crush anti-Semitism and hatred in any form, is not a democratic or Republican issue. It's an American issue that must be addressed in a bipartisan manner with a fierce urgency of now! Because after all, gang, say it with me. We've got to do something.

Okay. You know, when I hear people say, the Jews killed Jesus. Or those dirty Jews run the world.

Or those Jews are responsible for everything bad. Or you're just saying things because you have a Zionist master. I think to myself, you're a bloody idiot.

You have no clue, as to what is really happening in the world.

You have no clue. Are there some Jewish people, and top of corporations, or top of whatever?

Yeah. Yeah. There are. Are there very successful Jews that happen to be bankers?

Yeah. But, you know what, there's also very successful bankers that are Catholics and Mormons. And Lutherans, and Methodists. And dare I say it, atheists.

Yeah, but it's the Jews that are the problem.

You're an idiot. You shouldn't run around saying these things. But I kind of actually like it, when you do.

Because I know exactly who you are. Oh. Here's a guy who is so stupid, he can't tie his own shoes. Or he's just a massive racist.

Kids, stay away from him. You shouldn't run around saying, because it's false, it's rude. It's stupid.

All of the above. And we're trying to create a society here. The proper response to this act is to not post memes of long-nosed Jews, wrapping their tentacles around a US flag. It doesn't mean you're right about how the Jews are. Or vindicated for noticing that Zionists are the reason for everything bad, that it's ever happened.

You can say those things. You can say those things. Because our Constitution guarantees it.

You know how I feel about anti-Semitism.

You know how I feel about the Holocaust. And the return of the Holocaust. I've been warning about it.

I've been trying to prepare you for this time. I've prepared my family for this time. Hard choices are going to come soon.

They already are. This one doesn't seem hard. What have I always said?

The Constitution must rule. The Constitution must be our set of principles, that we do not violate. No matter, if it cuts your way or against you.
This -- this act, you would think, that someone like me, that is very supportive of the Jews in Israel, would be all for.

I am dead set against this.

And you should be too. Something can be legally permissible, and morally repulsive at the same time.

Speech needs to be protected. Not the stuff we all agree on. But the stuff we don't agree on.

The only speech that needs protection is the speech that a lot of people, the majority find absolutely abhorrent.

Congress doesn't understand. You cannot legislate hatred away. You can't pass a bill. You know what happens?

All you do is you create speakeasies of hate. They go into the closet. They go into another room, where they can't be heard. And it just becomes a festering pool of hate.

That at some point, will break out.

The only one that can remove hatred from hearts is God. We can do our part.

Does that mean that jerk protesters can prevent Jewish students from entering their classroom. No. That's not speech.

In the public square, and I mean that electronically as well, those who are standing up, and, quite honestly, spreading the lies about the Palestinians in Hamas. And saying, no. They're not.

They're good. They're great. There's not a problem there. As much as it kills me to say it, I stand with them on freedom of speech only.

The people who voted for this bill, I'm sure it was well-intended. But they're misguided by human nature itself.

Governments cannot fix human hearts. They are also -- they should all be sent back to some remedial class on the principles of the Constitution of America.

The importance of freedom of speech. The importance of not rushing in to do something, because it's scary right now.

No!

No. Why is it, this Congress can only pass the things, that seemingly only hurt the strength of America. And on me cut across the Constitution.

You just took away our Fourth Amendment right for warrants.

You just took that away, you're now -- you're now just passed another bill, that is bringing people -- who have escaped Gaza. And are Palestinians. Remember, 97 percent of them, in the latest poll, hate America.

About 70 percent of them, were all for Hamas. In the 80 percentile range of supporting October 7th.

Congress, you just passed a bill, that are bringing those people in. To America!

And settling them here in America. What the hell is wrong with you?

You live in the upside down world, I don't.

I still live in the world where the -- where America is all about protected rights. It's a dark day, when only 20 -- only 20 people in Congress that are Republican will stand up against this bill. It is a dark, dark day!

Is it a GOOD IDEA to Oust Speaker Mike Johnson BEFORE the Election?

Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie have announced their plans to file a Motion to Vacate the Speaker of the House. But Democrats, under the leadership of Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, have promised to block the attempt. So, would trying to oust Speaker Mike Johnson actually HELP the Democrats? Glenn asked Rep. Thomas Massie to defend his reasoning for ousting Johnson before the election. Massie lays out the 3 “betrayals” he believes Johnson has committed and what he believes Jeffries is really plotting.

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GLENN: You can say a lot of things about Thomas Massie. Some of them true, some of them false.

But the one thing that is absolutely true. He stands on his own principles.

And he is unwavering. In those principles. He joins us now. From the great state of Kentucky.

Republican representative. Thomas Massie. Hello, Thomas.

TOM: How are you doing, Glenn?

GLENN: I'm very good. I'm very good. I don't understand this whole Mike Johnson thing, as Speaker of the House. I don't understand what happened to him. How we went so wrong. You know, people are saying, that, oh, this has been a scam forever. He's been, you know, a RINO and just in hiding. And now, getting rid of him at this point. What good is that going to do? Or even moving from this, because do you have the numbers to do it?

TOM: Great questions. Let me talk about how we got to where we are.

GLENN: Okay.

TOM: So Mike Johnson has betrayed us three times. Big betrayals. He did an omnibus bill, that did does and he gave the FBI a brand-new bill in that omnibus bill. And he didn't give us time to read it. He gave up on doing 12 separate bills.

That was the first betrayal. Second betrayal, FISA. This is the spying program that's been used to surveil Americans without a warrant. He cast the deciding vote on whether to have warrants or not.

And he voted against warrants.

This is against what he stood for, when he was on the judiciary committee, that I serve on. With Jim Jordan.

So something has changed there. He said he spent time in a skiff, that changed his time. Guess what, Glenn. I don't know if your listeners know this. I spent three and a half hours with him, to get him briefed by CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, and DNI, and a FISA judge.

And in three a half hours. They didn't give us a specific example. Not one, of how spying on Americans, without a warrant, has helped them stop terrorism, to give them hypotheticals. But no example.

So that was the second betrayal. No warrants. Now, you can still be spied on.

It's reauthorized. Third betrayal. Just happened. This one we're still stinging from.

You may see the videos of every Democrat in the House voted for. For Ukraine.

Premeditated. Passed out Ukrainian flags. And basically humiliating us.

And I think speaker Johnson. If he's capable of having shame at this point. Should have been humiliated by that display as well.

I put the video of that on Twitter. And a search told me they would fine me $500 if I didn't take it down. So I reposted it.
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Because look, you're not supposed to put video of what's happening on the floor. But that was video of things that were breaking decorum. Right? I was trying to provide evidence that they were in the wrong. And instead of prosecuting them, they came after me.

GLENN: Sure.

NEIL: Now, we got 8 million views on the video after I reposted it, and Speaker Johnson backed down on that fine because he knew how bad that looked. So third betrayal. Was that, you know, Ukrainian vote, where send the money overseas. We gave up all leverage on any border security.

They included some other bad stuff in it.

GLENN: Let's talk about the $4 billion to help people from the Middle East immigrate here to the United States. Including Palestinians.

Are you nuts?

NEIL: Yeah. And you see, Mike Johnson will not stand up against that.

By the way, those three bills that I just mentioned to you. You know what happened when they went to the Senate. After they passed the House. Chuck Schumer didn't even change the punctuation of any of those bills.

He must want any amendments to them. He wanted them exactly as Mike Johnson wanted them in the house.

Because those were Chuck Schumer's bills that Mike Johnson put on the floor.

He's already in the arms of the union party. The question you rightfully ask: Is why do this? Well, the people are always asking me, Thomas. Can you show us. Can you give us a list, of the good guys and the bad guys. Can you tell me who the good guys are. I have a primary. I have a vote in. I have a general election. Tell me the list. This list. You will have another list, we keep doing this. At great peril to ourselves.

The reason there's only a few of them that are willing to stand up and call this. Is because you put -- you put your reputation on the line. And people here hate transparency. They hate us for doing it. You will have the list next week. When the motion to vacate is called. Of who went to the king Jeffries. And the Uniparty to keep Mike Johnson in power.

King Jeffries, the reason he's supporting Mike Johnson, he got everything the Democrats want, without any of the blowback by having Mike Johnson as speaker. And they also -- they have some claims for other things.

They may resettle Palestinian refugees in the United States. And pay for it. They may want to make the funding for Ukraine permanent.

And before our next election, there's going to be another CR or omnibus or something.

That's coming September 30. So some people are like, well, why would you do this now, Congressman Massie?

Hasn't all the bad stuff -- hasn't Mike already done all the bad stuff to us?

Can't we just sit it out to the next election?

No. Because what Hakeem Jeffries wants more than anything is to be the speaker, and the only way he becomes the speaker is by getting the majority of the House in November.

And he knows Mike Johnson is the most uninspiring speaker we've ever had.

It will not do anything to inspire -- most likely to lose the majority under speaker Johnson.

GLENN: So what would the plan B. If you could get this to pass. I mean, well, first of all.

Let me ask you.

How many -- how many other Freedom Caucus members are standing with you?

NEIL: Well, I think before Hakeem Jeffries came out for Speaker Johnson. There were probably somewhere between 12 and 20 who didn't want to speak, but would have voted with us.

Now, I think, you may have maybe the entire Freedom Caucus. We'll see.

I know people outside of the Freedom Caucus.

Who said, if one Democrat votes to keep Mike Johnson. I ain't voting to keep him.

Because they know what that means. That means it's the Uniparty.

Now, the first vote will be on a motion to table. To try and prevent this from even coming up for appear actual vote. But people should understand, that is -- that motion to table, if they succeed. That is the only vote that will happen. And that is your list there.

Are those the people who saved Mike Johnson. Which Hakeem Jeffries. And all the Democrat leadership, said they'll do it. And some Democrat ranking file. There are some Republicans, who sit at the table. But that will be the vote. Now, if we could succeed.

Okay. If we could get past that motion to table. And maybe Hakeem Jeffries has only 40 Democrats, who are willing to walk the plank. I can imagine that will be tough for them and their primaries. Unless they're planning on retiring. Can you imagine? You've saved the Christian speaker, who is against abortion, and all this other stuff. And what's the -- anyways.

So I don't -- I'm not sure how many votes Hakeem has. But I think he helped us grow our numbers. Let's say we help them pass that vote. There is a motion to vacate. And Mike Johnson is vacating. At that point, who would we elect?

Well, we would like for Mike Johnson to avoid the scenario, I just described.

We're giving him a weekend to resign.

If he would announce that he's leaving, like John Boehner did in ten weeks.

And he won't be offended as we have votes to replace him while he's still speaker. We could go without ever not having a speaker.

We could keep doing subpoenas, and the judiciary committees. We could have hearings and pass all these wonderful old messaging bills that they love to pass. But if that doesn't happen, we'll have to elect a Speaker. We will be on the spot.

I think there are a dozen people, in the G.O.P. conference. Who have something in their entire life.

Whether it's political experience. Or prior experience nap qualifies them for the job.

Mike Johnson is a lost ball in tall weeds. I don't think there's some conspiracy, where they've got kids locked in the basement. Or something like that.

I don't think they have info on him, or blackmail material. I just don't think he can do the job.

And there's nothing in his life that prepared him for that. Let's find someone that can. Hopefully that will inspire people to keep them in the majority. Even Hakeem Jeffries bails Mike Johnson out, next week. They're not going to bail him out in January.

We know he's a lame duck speaker.

But he knows it. Let's get him out of there, before he causes any more mischief.

GLENN: What did McCarthy do better than Johnson?

NEIL: Oh, that's a great question. Under McCarthy, we did seven of the 12 bills. Okay. There's 12 separate bills. He said, we'll do an omnibus. We got seven of the 12. We got 7 of the 12 done. We had a thousand amendments. I'm not on the rules committee. We got votes on a thousand amendments to allow rank-and-file members to participate in the legislative process. When Mike Johnson came on board, he did two or three CRs. He ignored the 7 bills we had done. He made no effort to do the other five. And he said, you will get a two-part omnibus.

That was the bad thing.

The second thing, well, Kevin McCarthy could have cut a deal with the Democrats. And could have been still speaker now.

He said, I will not do it.

The position is not that important to me.

We will make a Uniparty here, and share power. So that's another thing that Mike Johnson has expressed a willingness to do.

That Kevin wouldn't do. And finally, as a part of the debt limit deal, this last summer.

Kevin extracted, from Joe Biden, and Chuck Schumer.

This is signed into law. And still law. That if you do a CR. And it goes past April 30th.

Basically, halfway through the fiscal year. There's a 1 percent cut.

And Kevin secured that from Joe Biden.

Mike onset had three choices, on the spending bills. When he came into office.

He could use the 1 percent cut option. He could have worked on the five other bills. Or he could have duplicate the omnibus.

He actually could have done the 1 percent cut option. That Kevin had secured.

And spent a lot of political capital on getting that provision in law.

So those are three things that Kevin did that Mike didn't.

And Kevin, put through of us on the rules committee.

That gave us a blocking position. Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and myself. And we used that for good. We forced the 72-hour rule for the entire time Kevin was speaker. That's another thing Johnson threw out the window.

You don't always get three days to read a bill now. He's overriding his own rules committee. And he's going with Democrats to do it.

GLENN: Do you think this was -- you know, I write in some place.

You know, this was planned from the beginning. He's been lying in wait, trying to pretend that he was part of the Freedom Caucus for years.

Do you believe that?

ANN: Yeah. You know, what really confused me. Is the readiness with which, sort of the big spenders in Washington, DC.

Where they accepted Mike Johnson as a valid speaker candidate. After defeating Jim Jordan multiple times.

They found Jim Jordan unsuitable. But they found this junior member very unsuitable to the job, who had no experience. You know, had never been a chairman. Didn't have much staff.

And I think at that point, they got some assurance from Mike Johnson. That he -- or some feeling, that Mike Johnson would be a good guy to carry the water for the establishment here in DC.

And that's exactly what he's done.

GLENN: Hmm. Well, Thomas, when do you file? Is this Monday?

NEIL: Probably what will happen is we'll file Monday. Speaker Johnson, because it's a privileged resolution. The only thing that has higher privilege is motion to adjourn.

So he will have two days. Two legislative days to bring it up. So if we file it on Monday. The vote will either be Monday immediately. Or Tuesday or Wednesday.

If we file it on Tuesday. It would be either on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. Would be the vote.

GLENN: You don't believe he will back away?

I mean, you put this, or Marjorie Taylor Greene did. She put this in line, to be brought up, as kind of a threat.

Hey, we're thinking about doing this. Don't push it.

And he did it anyway.

NEIL: That's right. So he called the bluff, and we're calling the bluff. And we will have this vote.

What I hope, Glenn, is that our conference chair. Our Whip. And our Majority Floor Leader would go to Mike Johnson.

We exhibit the leadership, that we put them on that team to exhibit. And say, Mike, it's over.

It's just not worth what you're doing.

You're going and partnering with Hakeem Jeffries. And the minority whip, and the minority conference chair.

We can't do that. So I would like to see them go, convince Mike Johnson as a team.

It's time for him to step aside. He could still do that.

And I know as improbable as it sounds. And as resolved as Mike Johnson seems when he gets to the podium. That's exactly how John Boehner was, until the five minutes he took to resign.

STU: Thomas, I know we only have about a minute left. But if the concern is that, you know, Johnson will work with Jeffries, when he's put up against the wall and do these things.

If you go forward with this, you're making Johnson's political life, dependent on Hakeem Jeffries saving. I mean, couldn't this potentially just make all of this worse?

NEIL: It's very painful to expose this. I think what we're illuminating. I don't think we're causing him to go in that direction. We're illuminating what actually exists in Washington, DC. And why you don't get the results you want.

Is because he's already in league with Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, and Hakeem Jeffries.

And we're just illuminating what would be otherwise, I believe.

GLENN: Thomas, God bless you.

Thank you for standing up for your principles. Whether people agree or disagree with, you know, you and your stance.

I will tell you, that I have a lot of respect for somebody who will take the heat, because they won't sit down on their principles.

Thank you.

NEIL: Well, thanks, Glenn. People say, this is a lost cause. You shouldn't do it. People didn't elect us to give up. People elected us to try. And that's what we're doing.

GLENN: Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Even MSNBC Can’t Support THIS Far-Left Talking Point

It’s time for a “Cannibal Update” as the Left continues to eat its own! Glenn reviews what happened when MSNBC’s Katy Tur actually called former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi out for spreading a blatant lie about Trump’s presidency. But Pelosi immediately responded by turning on Tur and trying to paint her as a Trump sympathizer! Glenn and Stu also review one of the biggest outbreaks of leftist “cannibalism” in recent years: The anti-Israel protests on college campus, in which pro-Palestine protesters have gone as far as to call President Biden “Genocide Joe.”

Transcript

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GLENN: I think we need the cannibal update. Do we have the cannibal update music?

Because I have been very concerned about cannibalism, ever since Joe Biden brought it up.

Cannibalism. We all thought it was over.

But then again, we thought the Soviet Union was over.

We thought that threat was over.

Cannibalism is real. And it's so display. And it involves, well, let me show you. Here is Nancy Pelosi, involved in cannibalism on MSNBC.
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NANCY: And Joe Biden is doing that, created 9 million jobs in his term in office. Donald Trump has the worst record of job loss of any president. So we have to just make sure people know.

VOICE: That was a global pandemic.

NANCY: He had the worst record of any president. We have had other concerns in our country. You want to be an apologist for Donald Trump. That may be your role. But it's not mine.

VOICE: I don't think anyone can accuse me of that.

NANCY: But let me just say, we put forward a 3 trillion-dollar bill. 3 trillion dollars of investment in communities and the rest, and that stimulates the economy.

STU: I mean.

GLENN: Now, I don't know which one is in the pod here, which one is eating each other. But they are eating each other.

So cannibalism. Another update is coming soon, because it seems to be going around now. And that's a real problem.

Now, let's do go to Columbia.

Because what happened there yesterday, was definitely not an insurrection, Stu. Nothing to see.

STU: Definitely not. No insurrection there. Not at all.

That was protesters, Glenn. Those are protesters, peacefully protesting, mostly, the -- in favor of the rapists and murderers in Hamas. That's all. That's all that was.

GLENN: Okay. Okay.

Well, let me show you some things that happened. This was in a library in Virginia.
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They -- I mean, listen to that noise.

The librarian, her head exploded immediately.

She was like, shh. There were riot police were there.

They stormed and took over the library. At the Virginia commonwealth in Richmond, Virginia.

And they continued to talk out loud. Not in whispers.

And it was not good. It was not good. Here is from UCLA.

A Jewish student, that is being blocked from using the main entrance.

VOICE: I have my ID right here. I'm being blocked off. Not by the security guard. By you three.

This is what they do.

Everybody, look at this. Look at this.

I'm a UCLA student. I deserve to go here.

We pay tuition. This is our school. And they're not letting me walk in. My class is over there. I want to use that entrance. Will you let me go in?

Just let me and my friends go in. This could be over in a second.

VOICE: They're not in engaged.

VOICE: Then you can move.

VOICE: We're not engaged.

GLENN: We're not engaging.

VOICE: I'm going in. I have my hands up. I'm not hurting them. I'm not hurting them. That's what they do. That's what they do, everybody. You guys are promoting adepression. You guys are promoting hate. We're UCLA students, we deserve to be there.

GLENN: True. But he's forgotten all the microaggressions, Stu.

STU: Well, I think we should give it an award to the security guard who stands there and does absolutely nothing and allows them to block this person's progress as he's trying to go to class. That's just wow, he should get a Hamas award. Congratulations to him. I mean, that's completely -- completely unbelievable that they're allowing this to go on.

And it's happening with campus after campus after campus.

GLENN: Did you see the latest polls that Americans are for Israel? By I think it's like 80 percent. Something like that. For Israel.

STU: I know. I was talking to somebody. That's good to see. You do see in the media, a lot of times.

It feels like this is some close call. And Americans are like, what is it? Seventy-five-25. In favor of Israel instead of Hamas. I'm like, that's terrible.

75 percent of people, Israel over Hamas?

Not even like a hidden, oh. The Palestinian people are whatever they usually pitch. No. This is the actual recognized terrorist group was used in the poll.

This should be 99 to one. 75 percent sucks for that poll!

GLENN: I guess -- I guess I've just been beaten down so far, I'm just like, oh, that's good. Twelve people in America are still for the Jews.

I mean, I just -- I'm a little beaten down by it. Just a little bit.

Did you see what the University of Florida said yesterday?

That they're not going to tolerate it. They're not a preschool. You know the rules. You break them. You're out.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Boy, I can't imagine living in that fascistic society of Florida. Can you imagine that?

They hold you to the rules. When you sign it for school. You read the rule book. You're breaking the rules. You're out.

Everywhere else, they're negotiating with these people.

And I just think, negotiating with terrorists is such a smart idea.

It's so -- it's -- well, so today.

So open-minded. So woke. So great.

So one of the -- one of the -- I think it was northwestern negotiated to have Palestinians, you know, come up and speak on campus. So they're going to get some -- I don't know. Hamas members.

Why not? They did it with the Nazis. They literally did this exact same thing with the Nazis in the 1930s. Why should we expect a different outcome?

It's the same kind of people. The same group of people. They're fine with that.

Totally fine with that.

By the way, Spielberg is doing propaganda for Joe Biden.

I mean, no.

He's just -- he's looking into ways -- it's not propaganda. He's looking into ways to enhance the president's message. And help that message get out.

Like Nancy Pelosi just did. I I love that.

She was shocked when somebody in the media turned around and said. It's a pandemic. That's what everybody says. Play it again. That's what everybody says, to their television. When they hear that stat. Everybody says that.

NANCY: And Joe Biden is doing that. Created 9 million jobs in his office. Donald Trump has the worst record of job loss of any president. So we have to make sure people know.

VOICE: That was a global pandemic.

NANCY: He had the worst record of any president. We had other concerns in our country. You want to be an apologist for Donald Trump. That may be your role, but it ain't mine.

GLENN: She doesn't have any real comeback for it.

STU: No.

GLENN: She's never been challenged on that.

STU: No. She's literally stunned in that moment they can't be someone would point out most obvious thing in the world, that every single voter understands. Obvious. And this is showing up in the polls like crazy. That people don't even look at the pandemic, as part of Trump's economy. They don't judge it that way. They look at it, and they say, well, it was doing really well before this really terrible thing that happened. And obviously, a lot of jobs were lost.

And obviously, the -- you know, American people wound up come back to work after it was over.

And Biden is trying to take credit for that. The most fascinating part about that. If you are going to criticize Trump about his performance, on the economy, before when it comes to the pandemic.

You will hit him on the shutdowns. He was in favor of the shutdowns early. Which, okay. I think that's a fair criticism.

Certainly from the right, it was a fair criticism. Supported every single one of those policies, and tried to drag out shutdowns for another year and a half, after Trump stopped supporting them. So there's absolutely no argument whatsoever. Everybody knows. Everyone remembers COVID-19. Everyone remembers the period. Everyone remembers being told they couldn't go to work anymore for a few months.

Everybody remembers this. And the enact they keep trying to pitch this, is so insultingly stupid. That Katy Tur can't even let it happen on MSNBC. And she's calling Trump an apologist for it.

GLENN: Yes! Katy Tur. She's not -- she's not a conservative. She's not even anywhere close to that.

STU: She can't stand Donald Trump. She can't stand him.

GLENN: No. Fair is not even a word.

STU: She's embarrassed. She's embarrassed by the point that Nancy Pelosi is making.

She feels the internal poll. She has to point it out. It's such a stupid point.

And I feel I have a bit of sympathy for certain Democrats in these moments. Katy Tur is obviously no conservative.

It's like, what do you mean a Trump apologist?

Look at my record. I've done nothing, but bash Trump for years and years and years. The same thing with Joe Biden, he's being criticized as genocide Joe. He's done so much to hurt the Jews.

Why are you -- why are you -- he's done so much to ruin their ability to kill terrorists.

GLENN: Really has. Yeah.

STU: Stop their people from being raped.

He's done so much. Contributed so much to this cause. And these protesters won't give him credit for it.

GLENN: I personally think, genocide Joe, it's better to call him genocide Joe. From our side to their side.

He's been funding the Iranians who want a genocide on all the Jews.

He is genocide Joe.

They're just mixed up on who he wants to help kill.

By the way, this is what you would kill propaganda.

What happened on MSNBC, with Nancy Pelosi is propaganda.

And she was shocked that there was somebody, supposedly on her side. That would not play the game.

Is NPR’s Woke CEO Katherine Maher WORSE Than We Thought?

NPR’s president and CEO Katherine Maher made headlines after NPR punished journalist Uri Berliner for exposing the network’s leftist bias … and then for her past outrageous statements about free speech. But is she even more nefarious than we thought? Blaze News staff writer Joseph MacKinnon joins Glenn to explain the theory that she is also a government asset: “From 30,000 feet, she looks like not just a tech-savvy media queen, but someone who spent a lot of time around color revolutions.” Glenn and Joseph run through Maher’s odd history of visiting nations that the CIA has helped overthrow and speculate whether she’s part of a plan to stage a color revolution in America as well. But whether she’s a CIA asset or not, MacKinnon argues, one thing is clear: “She might as well have been.”

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GLENN: I want to go over this NPR boss. Which was, you know, kind of funny, at the beginning.

And then the more you learn about it. The more you're like, well, hang on just a second. Because she would be a -- a very important tool in the hands of the government. And she's being paid, by National Public Radio. So she's being -- she is a tool of the government, in many ways.

Can she separate herself, from her own personal beliefs?

Or is that even wanted at nonprofit? We wanted to bring in Joe MacKinnon. Joe is a Blaze News Staff Writer. And she's been following up on this. Joe, take us from the beginning. From the -- the -- the whistle-blower, if you will.

All the way to Christopher Rufo. And then let's pick it up from there. So can you tell us the beginning of it, Joe?

BIDEN: Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. So Uri Berliner earlier this month. Had this damning exposé, in the free press, April 9th.

He goes after NPR, after having worked there for a quarter of a century, as a senior business editor. There's zero diversity, particularly after the former CEO had made it an activist organization.

And that allied it effectively with the Democratic Party.

This is a publication according to Berliner, that didn't want to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story.

That worked with Adam Schiff to push the Russian collusion hoax.

So he goes to town, on NPR. And draws the ire of someone who has not been on a lot of people's radar. That's Katherine Maher. Or Maher, I should say. So Maher comes up with this long response, and effectively cusses him out. In more charitable terms. And he subsequently, he is offended. And then he resigns. So people start looking into Maher after -- after this. Because she was with Wikipedia before.

But I guess, flew under the radar. For a lot. Particularly on the right. Or those -- among those who are critical of the government.

And at first blush, she looks just like another shrill left partisanship she has the obligatory photo. Wearing the Biden campaign hat.

She has an unhealthy obsession with race. That photo exists. The tweet speaks for itself. And you keep digging as Rufo has. And you realize, really quickly, that there's something going on here.

From 30,000 feet, she looks like not just a tech savvy media queen. But someone who spent a lot of time around Colour Revolutions and the orient, enough to know how they might be replicated.

GLENN: Okay. So hang on just a second.

The campuses and boardrooms are full of leftists. But you're saying, and Christopher Rufo is saying, she is not your ordinary leftist.

She has been around Colour Revolutions. What does that mean, she's been around Colour Revolutions.

JOE: Okay. One of the many interesting posts she's had. I should note at the outset here, she's a World Economic Forum, World Global leader.

She's worked with the World Bank. She's worked with various NGOs that are in the tech, coms, and, well, foreign policy space.

So around 2010, 2011. And Rufo chronicled her travel itinerary. She's with the National Democratic Institute. And that's a spin-off of the National Endowment for Democracy, committed to -- yeah. Exactly.

You know where I'm going with this. This is an organization that tries to transition, unwilling regimes to become liberal democracies.

GLENN: Can I redefine that a little bit?

It's a CIA front.

JOE: Well, Mike Benz -- he was in the Trump administration at the State Department. He said, exactly that. He said, to carve out for the CIA. And other people have said just as much.

In fact, I think it was Ron Dixon, at the New York Times, back when, he said the NBI was actively fomenting protests during the so-called Arab spring.

GLENN: Uh-huh. We -- we know this. I exposed that, when we were at Fox.

We've known that from the beginning. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out.

Then, when you go into Ukraine, and see what they were doing and the phrases that they were using. Saying, you know, we can -- we can spread this now. We kind of perfected it. In the Middle East. And we can spread it. And that's exactly what we were doing, in Ukraine.

JOE: Well, precisely, Ukraine. Libya. Egypt. Yemen. Tunisia. And so she's kind of been on a pilgrimage to these toppled regimes. And in some cases, as they're falling.

So Rufo notes, that she goes to Tunisia a couple times. She goes to Gedden (phonetic) in Southern Turkey. Just as rebels are making inroads, along the highway between Damascus and I believe it's Aleppo. And she actually said, not a long time ago. She framed the timing differently. She said in the aftermath of the revolution, she was doing research on the ground. With, quote, unquote, human rights activists.

And independent journalists.

And so she -- she is with the NBI. She's going to Tunisia. And she raises a couple of alarm bells. There's this Tunisian cabinet official. And, well, he basically -- he straight-up said, it's a likely case, that she works for a certainty letter agency. And a lot of people have been speculating about that in recent weeks.

GLENN: So what is her -- what is her background in broadcast? And news?

JOE: Well, she deals a lot with -- in terms of news, she's been critical of the ways that governments have weaponized their state broadcasters. Which I think --

GLENN: Right. Yeah. Yes. But what is she -- does she have a background in -- in news?

Is she a journalist.

Is she -- I mean, why is she -- I see she's traveled the world. That she's with the World Bank. And the WEF. And she's been with NGOs. And she's been around revolutions. But that doesn't necessarily scream CEO of NPR.

JOE: Well, I think Wikipedia, where she ran the show for, for several years.

GLENN: Oh.

JOE: Yeah.

And it was under her reign, that it quickly became clear that this was -- well, supposed to be a repository for human knowledge. Right?

GLENN: Right. It's not.

JOE: Recently you talked about how memory is the key to where we are. Well, Wikipedia is instrumental to capturing and curating that memory for a lot of people. So she may not be a journalist. But she was very much, I don't want to suggest there's a causation, she pretends that the Wikipedia editors who are working on their own.

But while she's in control, there's very much a narrative curation going on. A kind that you might want, at taxpayer funded broadcasts --

GLENN: Gosh. Jeez.

Okay. So the rumor that she's with CIA. Where did that originate?

JOE: So I mentioned, she went to Tunisia a couple times, right?

GLENN: Right.

JOE: So this cabinet official. I think I'm pronouncing that right.

But Slim Amamou. I think I'm pronouncing that right. But Slim said in 2016, it's a bit of a retrospective.

He's looking back. And I believe it's around the time. She's getting a promotion over at Wikipedia. He straight-up says, she's probably CIA.

He's not mincing words. He says, she's come over under different affiliations. With World Bank.

With USAID. And he suggests. And this is going on Twitter.

Still called that.

He suggests that she may as well have had CIA written on her front.

So Slim was in the transitional government.

He dropped out to protest, so-called. And he -- you know, not entirely, the top of the food chain. But someone you might at least want to hear out.

And so she is prickled by the suggestion.

She responds saying, I am no sort of agent. You can dislike me, but please don't tie me.

But then, that brought even more scrutiny.
Because people took notice of the way she framed that response.

So Christina Pushaw. She's on the DeSantis team. She said, for instance, okay. You may not have been an agent, but you could have just as well have been an asset.

GLENN: Yeah.

JOE: But the CIA element, I think, you know, I haven't seen any incontrovertible proof.

It's also largely immature.

She's also directly worked with the Biden administration.

She's worked with and brushed shoulders with all these regime change groups. So whether or not she has CIA on the card, somewhere, tucked into her desk.

She may as well have been.

GLENN: And this is -- this is part of the group, that -- I mean, Hillary Clinton, that infamous clip, where she said, we came, we saw, and died.

And laughed about it.

I think who she was talking about, at the time.

Might have been Samantha Power. Who is Cass Sunstein's wife. Author of nudge.

And somebody, who knows how to nudge people into new positions.

But Sam now works at USAID. She's the head of USAID.

So if you have the head of NPR, also working with Samantha Power, at USAID. That is also a CIA front.

JOE: Oh, absolutely. And I think it was Michael Waller and Rufo. She's a national security analyst. And he said, he drew that same connection with power.

And intimated said that Maher is part of his revolutionary vanguard movement.

So, you know, they're all in bed together. By the looks of it, I should say.

I don't want a mean tweet. And then, you couple this, with her public comments. And then, it lends even more gravity to this -- well, her becoming the head of NPR. Which was --

GLENN: Give me some of her -- give me some of her public comments, that I may not know.

JOE: Okay. Well, and I did a little bit of a -- a lot of these already are circulating.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JOE: But Donald Trump -- so, you know, for instance, in 2021 interview, and this one caught a lot of people's attention in recent days.

She described the First Amendment as the top challenge in the fight against disinformation.

So the challenge -- yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a challenge, because, quote, it's a little bit tricky to really address some of the real challenges of where, does that information come from? Sort of the influence peddlers who made a real market economy around it.

And, by the way, when she's talking about disinformation. She means skepticism of COVID-19 vaccines.

GLENN: Right.

JOE: Which will lead it to the show. Which was mentioned, that --

GLENN: Correct.

JOE: Devastating impact. Well, so is disinformation, according to the former head of Wikipedia. She also learned that it won't fly for her.

So an Atlantic Council 2021 event, she says Wikipedia isn't a free expression platform.

And so that -- a lot of people are wondering why. And she suggests, and I created content that people can add confidence to.

That they can make determinations in their right. So in that right, they have access to high integrity content, often sort of trumps the right to free speech.

Now, pair that with the fact that she suggests, straight out, in a TED talk, that, quote, a reverence for the truth, might be a distraction.

And it's getting in the way of finding common ground for getting things country. So I don't know who that common ground belongs to, by the way.

But it's certainly not the people.

GLENN: Yeah. That's a fantastic. Okay.

I'm going to come back. Let me take one minute to break for a sponsor.

And then I want to come back. And then I want to ask you.

So if she was a tool, even a little bit in Colour Revolution.

What is the fear that she could do? Or what is the impact she could have here in America? By being the CEO of nonprofit?

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So we're talking to Joe MacKinnon, who has written extensively for TheBlaze news.

You can go to Blaze.com. And find his work on NPR's CEO, who is looking to be far worse than what anybody thought she was. We just thought she was a crazy liberal. Or progressive.

But she seems to be. Possibly much more than that. Including, possibly working with the CIA.

But she -- she spent a lot of time around Colour Revolutions. We'll talk about that. Coming up in the next break.

But I just wanted to ask you, Joe, before you go. What is the impact, if this is true, that she could have with NPR at her disposal?

JOE: NPR has long been a joke. It's ineffective. Its viewership has dwindled immensely. She's shrewd. She's effective. This is an individual who had people believing that cultural Marxism is a far right conspiracy theory, when she was running with them.

And all the insights she's gleaned, when she was doing her, again, pilgrimage of farm state. And her understanding that capture of a state broadcaster could ultimately mean capture of the state.

Means that nonprofit is a weapon in her hands.

Potentially a weapon in her hands. There's over a thousand stations broadcasting at NPR programming. There's thousands of employees.

A bunch of bureaus across the country.

Now, I don't think they're going to do business as usual.

In fact, she's telegraphed that there's going to be a transformation behind the scenes. Nonprofit was already a leftist propaganda element.

Now I think it's going to be used, to foment. Or at the very least control.

The protests. And to at least have the power to weaponize various groups across the nation.
Send your marching orders, essentially out via NPR.

So Wikipedia -- and I'm surprised you left Wikipedia honestly. I think that's a more consequential place.

Wikipedia controls the past. And therefore, controls the future.

GLENN: Yes. Right.

JOE: I think NPR under her helm, I think the game, anyway, is controlling the present.

GLENN: Joseph MacKinnon, from theBlaze.com.