RADIOOctober 02, 2023

Why would Biden try to DEPORT persecuted Christian family while leaving border WIDE OPEN?

The Romeike family has spent the last 15 years living in America, seeking asylum after facing persecution in Germany for homeschooling their children. But recently, immigration officials ordered them to self-deport back to Germany by October 11, despite having followed the law. But why is the Biden administration going after this Christian family while keeping our border wide open to illegal immigrants? The father, Uwe Romeike, and his attorney, Kevin Boden of the Home School Legal Defense Association, join Glenn to detail this latest chapter of their story and explain what they plan to do next.

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GLENN: We told you a story, maybe it was 2010 or '11. I don't remember when it was. This story has been going on forever.

There is a German family, they were living in Germany. They were homeschooling their kids.

That's illegal in Germany. They pulled their kids out.

Because look at the crap we're now teaching our kids.

You want your kids in that in homeschooling is illegal. They faced fines, adding up over $10,000.

They were threatened with the loss of the custody of their children.

And their children were taken, brought to school. By the police.

All right? That's how bad it got. In 2010, they came to the United States, and asked for asylum. Because of their religious point of view. They were -- they were threatened with all kinds of stuff.

So they granted -- they were granted asylum in the US.

But the government appealed. Two years later, the Sixth Circuit court finally revoked the asylum status. Supreme Court with not hear the case.

At that time, the attorney was told by the Department of Homeland Security. They would grant them indefinite deferred action, and not deport the family.

They went to the ICE office, once a year, as directed. They did everything that they were supposed to do.

They were just getting a document signed based on, so they could get employment authorizations in America.

They have lived within the law the whole time. They came here, the right way. Thee weeks ago, they were told to come back in a month with all of their documents. Because they were going to be deported.

That includes the five children that came with them in 2008. As well as, the two that were born here now, in America.

The oldest children that got married to an American citizen, last year. The first grandchild was born here, two weeks ago.

And they're supposed to leave America.

If they go back, they will face the same persecution, high fines.

It will financially ruin their -- their family.

They'll have jail time. And lose the custody of their kids. And the older kids, that were homeschooled, here in America, it will not be counted in Germany.

So they will not be able to go for higher education, or get good jobs.

Because it won't count.

With the hundreds of thousands, that are coming across our border, every month, illegally. And the left says, it's all about asylum.

And persecution.

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All right. Uwe Romeike is the dad. He is also with Kevin Boden.

He is a Homeschool Legal Defense Association attorney.

Did I get any of the -- of the story wrong, Uwe?

UWE: No, it was all right. Thank you for having me on. The only thing that was different, was wrong, was the initial day or year when we came was 2008.

GLENN: 2008.

UWE: We have been hear for 15 years now. Yes.

GLENN: Okay. And I remember we talked to you earlier, because your case was pending, I think at the time. And you have lived now here for 15 years.

You have been good, solid citizens. You -- you have jobs. You're not depending on the government. Correct

UWE: Correct. Yes.

GLENN: And what happens if you go back to Germany? What happens to you and your family?

UWE: Yes. Since we were born here in the United States. They would come with us, of course. They are now ten and 12 years old. And six and seventh grade.

And we were homeschooled. 80 percent. That's the earlier situation with custody. Earlier custody.

And fines. And prosecutions. And all these things.

That would be the same as before we left. So there wouldn't be any way to homeschool in Germany.

GLENN: And why are you homeschooling in Germany? What is this really all about?

UWE: Well, you know, we have several reasons. But initially, we started homeschooling, because our two oldest children who at that time, were in school for two or three years, their -- their personality changed. They became with withdrawn. They developed headaches, stomachaches.

Doctor couldn't say there was any physical reason. It was all in terms of bullying, and having a fear to go to school.

And then later on, we found out, that also, what they were taught at school was diametrically against what we as Christians believe.

So there were so many reasons we didn't want them to go there again. And once we started actually homeschooling, they relaxed. They became their old selves again.

And they have children now, and they're all grown up. They have good jobs here.

And so everything turned our world. So we wanted to do the best for our children. We wanted to do that.

GLENN: And so you have two older children, that married Americans.

UWE: Yes.

GLENN: And they have -- they're being deported as well?

UWE: Yes. Because -- citizenship, of the paperwork, hadn't gone through yet.

So it's the process. So they're now all in tutoring.

GLENN: Okay. So let me talk to your attorney, Kevin.

Kevin works for HSLDA. It is a nonprofit organization. Making homeschooling possible, and making sure they're defending the homeschoolers. Kevin, what is -- what is happening here?

KEVIN: Well, Glenn, thanks for having us on. I know you've been supporting the family, for many, many years. Going all the way back to 2014. And we appreciate that.

We don't know what was going on. We do know, they were told to go back in four weeks. And bring their passports, to self-deportation. We also know that ICE, you know, has the ability to execute prosecutorial discretion. And to not deport the family.

And so we know what they've been told to do. And we know what's in the authority to do.

And for some reason, we don't have yet. They have been told to get ready to go.

GLENN: Huh. Paragraph all I can think of is -- I mean, what would happen if they went on vacation?

And, you know, in Texas.

And were staying at a friend's house.

I mean, what would happen?

KEVIN: Well, we don't know. They are under an order of supervision that they had been under for the last 10 years. Which does require they show up to these ICE meetings.

So they've been directed to come back. And they have an obligation per this order of supervision to show up.

And, you know -- as you you know, Uwe and Hannelore have been law-abiding individuals in this country, since the day they set foot on American soil. If you notice like I do, they will do nothing but comply with the law because that's the type of character that this family has.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I am so disgusted by this. This is truly a family that needs asylum. They don't have the First Amendment in Germany. We have it here to protect people. This is what it means to bring in those who are persecuted.

Not the hundreds of thousands of -- of young men, without families, coming across our border, in the middle of the night.

They did it the right way.

And this -- I tell you, Kevin, this bothers me so deeply.

When I first heard this story, a couple of weeks ago.

I think I said this on the air. It was a very dark day for me.

I had a really -- Stu will tell you, you had a really hard time going on.

Because I thought, if this government, with everything that is out of control, has the time to take this family down.

They have such malice, that it -- that it -- they're doing things that we can't even imagine. If they're coming after this family, that's malice.

And it is -- and it is not good for any American.

KEVIN: Well, and, Glenn, it's inconsistent with the Department of Homeland Security's own policies. I mean, there's a guidance memorandum from 2021, Secretary Mayorkas.

And the three priorities are a threat to national security, threat to public safety, and threat to border security.

So, I mean, you tell me, where does the Romeike family fall into these three priorities?

I mean, they are the lowest of the low, in terms of being here in the United States.

So, you know, my thought is, just follow your own priorities. They're good priorities.

But why are we not putting resources in the US government to actually enforce the priorities, that they have identified?

GLENN: So what's the plan?

KEVIN: Well, we have a petition we're circulating. We're hoping to present that to President Joe Biden.

GLENN: We're there!

KEVIN: Well, it's to demonstrate broad support.

Of course, we want to just demonstrate that the country is behind this family.

Representative Harshbarger has filed a private bill in the House of Representatives. Many before the House Judiciary Committee.

We would like members of Congress to support that private bill. They can't cosponsor. They can support it.

Then Jim Jordan in that committee or subcommittee, can request a report from ICE, with this bill, that would effectively be a stay on any removal proceedings. So we're asking the judiciary committee. The House Judiciary Committee, to request that report.

To tell -- ICE is telling them, what's going on? Why are you deporting this family? What's going on? Give us the actual -- give us the reason. And that would provide temporary reprieve to Romeike and family, and then long-term, we would love a private bill in the Senate as well.

And, you know, those are a couple of the angles, that we're looking at right now. Which would allow them to stay and to continue their life hear.

As we pursue some longer term strategies.

GLENN: Okay. So here's. If you're listening now. If you're not listening, then how you are hearing me?

But if you are listening, I want you to go to HSLDA. HSLDA.org/Romeike, which is R-O-M-E-I-K-E. Rome Ike is how you spell that. HSLDA.org/Romeike.

And sign this. I am on the website right now. And I am going to sign my name to it. I never sign petitions. But I will sign a petition for this family.

This is totally outrageous. What else can we do to help this family?

KEVIN: Well, Uwe can speak as well. What he would say also is pray. This is a faith-filled family. And they love the Lord. And as he's told me many, many times, we appeal to the most high. And the most high can take action and supernaturally intervene.

And I know for their hearts, that's something that everyone, regardless of whether they sign, donate, whatever, that's something they can do.

GLENN: Can I invite the -- I'm saying this without any knowing of my schedule at all here. So I apologize to my production staff. But I would like to invite the family especially the kids that were born here and the older kids.

I would like to interview them. And make sure that people see this family. And what you're really all about.

Can we get you guys to come in for that?

UWE: We would love to, yes. Thank you.

GLENN: I am -- I have done more apologizing to foreigners for my country in the last five to eight years, that I thought I would never have to do this. We have done so many immoral things. We have done so many things against God. We have so lost our way, we don't even know who we are anymore.

And my apologies for what our country is doing to you and your family. This is absolutely immoral.

And I thank you for being people that still love our country. Despite what we've done.

UWE: Yes. And we love the American people. And it's really my knowledge, that it is the best.

I think most Americans are good people. And believe in people. Question people. And we are very thankful for all the support, prayer, and people who loved on us, when we first came hear.

So we feel very blessed to be here. Thank you for all your support.

GLENN: You bet. Thank you. We'll be in touch.

Guys, thank you so much.

It's HSLDA.org/Romeike, which is Romeike. R-O-M-E-I-K-E.

I have to tell you, this is one that I will go camp outside of their house and I will surround their house with like-minded, loving Christian people who will just not break arms on our knees. We just go and kneel around their house, in droves, and we lock arms and we just pray for this family.

And if they have to haul -- if they have to haul me to jail so they can get to that family, so be it. I have had enough. I have had enough. And I don't want to be a part of -- of anything that is violent, is trying to overthrow anything.

But there comes a time where we have got to stand or kneel!

Begging and -- and relying on the protection of Divine Providence.

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Cracker Barrel CEO breaks silence on logo controversy in exclusive interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

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I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

THIS Epstein quote could PROVE Trump’s real ties to the scandal

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

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Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

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Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

Transcript

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.