WATCH: Has Obama’s dream of a government dependent welfare state come true?

Monica Crowley joined Dana Loesch on last night’s Glenn Beck Program, and the two discussed whether or not President Obama has successfully carried out his 2008 campaign promise to fundamentally transform the United States. Has Obama’s dream of a government dependent welfare state come true?

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Has he finished the fundamental transformation of the United States of America?

    Four years ago Obama began his agenda and has nearly finished the transformation of the Republic into a Socialist state that has no end. His window of the next four years will see him go forward with anger, speed and rage for nothing can hold his madness in check.

    The nation has reelected a man who is a pathological narcissist who sees himself as a god-king and savior and messiah. Before long, we will lose the last of our freedoms, and have the nation collapse into a morass from which there will be no emergence.

    Elections have consequences – those of you who voted for Obama the god-king of the Democrats are seeing the madness come to life. You wanted a king, now you shall have one and suffer the wrath of the whip and the scorpion.

    Enjoy.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Elections have consequences, Obama is in his second term and with Hillary running in 2016, the nation is all but finished. The Democrats want to have a god-king, now they shall pay the price in blood and pain for their choice as Obama turns on all of America.

  • Anonymous

    Which party is really the party of the dependent?

    Of the ten richest counties in America, Obama won eight. Of the ten richest states, Obama won them all. By contrast Mitt won nine of the ten poorest. He won the welfare states. Those states with the highest number of people who pay no income tax? Mitt won them. (Ironic, isn’t it? Mitt won those 47% percent he slammed.)  

    LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL MAP! Did Mitt win a state that doesn’t bring to mind the movie “Deliverance”?  You want to talk about the poverty of Detroit or Newark? Fine–you can do so. But have you seen rural Appalachia!? I grew up in Fredonia, Alabama—I have seen REAL poverty! And they are solidly red down there.  Obama could’ve won without the ghettoes…but where in the heck would the GOP be without the trailer parks!? Ask yourself that before you start whining about dependency. Because the GOP has no chance without poor, rural whites. 

    That aside, you right wingers do have some beautiful women. I was reminded of that while watching this video. And I’m reminded of it every time I watch Fox News, with those porn bunny anchors they have…It just makes it harder for you to be taken seriously, though. It reminds us that you still see women primarily as ornaments. Can’t put her out front unless she’s smoking hot!

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    Both are if you want to be honest about the situation. Second you liberals please stop calling us sexist for having hotter women on our side jealousy does not suit you.

  • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

    Both parties are guilty of this. Both parties prefer not to touch big government dependence programs because it might tick someone off.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HAW7OERGSC7VZM72V7IGDJ3B4 Sharmane

    Obama and his ilk are a scourge on our beloved country.  Next election for the Senate and Reps we need to eject just about everyone out of DC for their treasonous acts and pimping for the enemies of the Unites States of America.  That’s the only way to turn this ship around before it crashes on the shoals of destruction never to return. 

  • Draxx

     Americans Are The Ones That Are Going To Pay The Price First, and then it will Trickle Out to the Rest of the World…

  • landofaahs

    If so, it won’t last long.  Too much debt and worldwide.  Collapse inevitable.  Deal with it. God, guns and ammo, gold, good food, grain and stock that has 2 or 4 legs.

  • landofaahs

    The real enemy of American freedom is the power hungry, greedy,Federal govt.

  • Anonymous

    Do you wanna see real poverty? I mean gut wrenching sickening depravity? A ghost town of decay with no hope of a future and no redeeming value? Take a look at an X-Ray photo of your head! 

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Exactly, and that is what the globalists want to achieve, cave in America and the rest of the world follows.

  • Anonymous

    Admittedly, there’s little in there besides porn images and snippets of Slayer music…
    But, when needed, Michael Moore uploads me with additional data. Wanna’ guess where he plugs in? 

  • Anonymous

    Hotter men, as well. 
    The team of Romney/Ryan may’ve been a disaster from a political standpoint, but when it comes to inducing twisted “Dad/son” fantasies, they were a dream team!

  • Anonymous

    Nope!

  • Anonymous

    Well, thank you very much. I will.

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  • Anonymous

    Seems like edtoohey and whitepimples are one in the same; same perverted mind and language……White/black trash.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mary-E-Sellers/1108260627 Mary E Sellers

    Hillary  will be an OLD, unsteady woman in 4 years. The dementia has already set in with all the uhs, and uhs. Mr.  Putin will eat her lunch BUT  I think we had our last election anyway

  • Anonymous

    Great interview; Ms. Monica Crowley gave the best Osama analysis I have ever heard! Point by point by point, she aced the argument the left seems to constantly defend. There is no defense….he’s guilty as charged on every single level. Osama’s presidency is riddled with treasonous mandates, Bills and unconstitutional actions. The guy needs to be hauled off to jail in handcuffs and Ms. Crowley has indicted him.

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  • Anonymous

     Good luck with that unless the Republicans & conservatives can pull off a miracle in a year and a half. Right now we have no cohesive intelligent message, no unison, no loyalty, no ideas, no solutions, too many RINO’s, too many apologists, too many traitors. We have brought a water balloon to WW III.

  • Anonymous

    I happen to think that Dana Loesch is talented and erudite.  She is pretty, but I have a pretty girl of my own at home to love.  What’s interesting is how you call somebody else the exact thing that you are.  By you bringing up the fact that the women are attractive, and then dismissing their journalistic skills by stating that they are being used as ornaments…aren’t you the one thinking of them as ornaments?  I happened to like what each woman had to say in the interview.  So you call them “porn bunny anchors,”  quite pejorative of you isn’t it?  
    I have news for you about the other stuff.  The urban areas of every state, red or blue, were the source of Obama’s electorate.  Of those ten counties you speak of, seven of them are in the greater Washington D.C. area.  The 8 out of 10 figure you say going for Obama is a misleading stat since you’ve really only proved that the rich people in the D.C. area went for Obama, hardly an accurate microcosm of nationwide voting trends.
    Try this one on for size, of the ten states with the highest unemployment, it was dead even, 5 for Obama and 5 for Romney.  Of the ten with the lowest unemployment it was 6 for Romney, 4 for Obama.  That would suggest that the vote was pretty mixed among both the rich and the poor.  However, poor rural people tend to vote Republican and poor urban people tend to vote for Obama.  Why is that?  Well for one, urban poor normally have the same color of skin as Obama, this one’s obvious.  It’s also very disconcerting to lose your job in a rural area as the job market is weak.  The implementation of social programs is also far more difficult in rural areas, two main reasons being transportation costs, and the fact that a public works project can stymie a local economy in short order with a loaded earmark.  That’s the fault of both parties by the way.  The rural poor don’t see the efficient side of any social programs and they vote Republican.  The urban poor see social programs as an effective tool (which it is for those on the dole!) in getting by day to day.  Why WOULDN’T they vote for Obama?  
    Socialist voters came from all colors and income brackets.  Obama also won the woman vote…particularly single mothers…who are by far the most dependent people on government assistance.  The women who voted for Romney were those that had good husbands at home and were in families that fed children without the use of food stamps.  They didn’t feel that there was any war going on against them.  In short, I think that your claim that the GOP was propped up by the dependent class is specious at best.  

  • Anonymous

    Monica Crowley is one smart person.

  • Bonnie Somer

    fortunately all of Americans are not that stupid the ones that did not vote for this communist global govt nut are still here and we are the defenders of this republic Obama is the traitor

  • Anonymous

    Beck loves to teas his audience with overarching simple-minded philosophical good vs. evil plots. Of coarse he doesn’t present the complications of the health care problem by giving you pros and cons of the Affordable Care Act.  If you don’t hear ANYTHING good about the AAC, be suspicious you’re not hearing the whole story and vice versa.  There are benefits and problems with the AAC.  However, Beck presents the Act as a sinister plot to control the population when it actually expands the customer base for private insurance companies.  Beck complains about AAC costing more when healthcare costs were spiraling out of control before the legislation as people rapidly dropped out of insurance and went to emergency rooms.   Beck complains about government control, when you now have insurance company control. Which is worse: legislation enacted by elected officials or powerful insurance companies motivated by profit that control peoples fates by denying claims?  Case in point: my father’s insurance company would not pay for his radical cancer surgery because they considered it “experimental”.  Who has the death panel now?

  • Anonymous

    “Of those ten counties you speak of, seven of them are in the greater Washington D.C. area.  The 8 out of 10 figure you say going for Obama is a misleading stat since you’ve really only proved that the rich people in the D.C. area went for Obama, hardly an accurate microcosm of nationwide voting trends.”

    What a bizarre thing to say…
    Anyway, the ten richest counties:
    Westchester County, NY
    Morris County, NJ
    Marin County, CA
    Somerset County, NJ
    Fairfield County, CT
    Hunterdon County, NJ
    Fairfax County, VA
    Loudon County, VA
    Pitkon, County, CO
    Nantucket County, MA

    Well, at least you were right in that two of them are in the DC area…
    Anyway, Mitt won Hunterdon and Morris.

  • Anonymous

    “The rural poor don’t see the efficient side of any social programs and they vote Republican.”

    It’s conventional wisdom that the poor, and especially more minorities, get the most out of America’s “safety net.” But recent data shows the reverse is true. Most entitlements are received by the elderly, disabled, or working white households, and minority households receive disproportionately little from the public purse.
    Analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities reveals that the poorest fifth of American households received 32% government benefits distributed in 2010. The top fifth of income earners receive 10% of benefits – most likely through social security.
    The study also found that poor African Americans receive disproportionately less welfare than poor whites. Black Americans make up 22% of the poor, but overall receive 14% of government benefits.
    The elderly received around half of benefits paid out. Nonelderly disabled people received 20% of the 2010 entitlements pot, while 18% of government benefits go to working people on lower incomes.
     http://politix.topix.com/homepage/5070-poor-black-americans-get-less-in-government-benefits-than-poor-whites

    ‘The rural poor don’t see the efficient side of any social programs and they vote Republican.”

    Wrong. Most poor, rural whites vote Republican because they’re taught to see the GOP as the party of God and patriotism.
    You can argue that all you want, but I come from a long line of poor white trash and I’ve seen that firsthand.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how they’re now trying to pump up the fear for 2016.

    From 2010 on, all we heard was how the election of 2012 was:
     “The most important election of our lifetime!” 
    “The fate of America rests on what happens on Nov. 6th 2012!”
    “If Obama is re-elected, America is DOOMED!”
    “End Obama and stop the nightmare!”

    Well, so much for that…
    So now they try the same fear mongering for 2016. 
    But if it didn’t work before…

    And you know the worst part? Things really aren’t that bad.
     
    This country has survived far worse economic times: the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl…you think a ten or even fifteen percent unemployment rate is bad? Try 25 percent–because this country has seen that.
    You think a top tax rate of 40 percent is bad? Try tax rates of 71%, 75% and 92%, because America has seen that.
    You think the global economy is tottering now? Well, it tottered and fell back in the 30′s. People got back up. (That IS an option, you know…)
    This country has been far more divided: the race riots of the 60′s and the turmoil around the Vietnam War. 
    This country has survived far scarier times: Two world wars and the Cuban missile crisis… 

    You think times are hard or scary now? Talk to your grandparents. Read a history book. YOU DON’T HAVE IT BAD! And this fear talk not only makes you look ignorant of history but makes you look cowardly. Thank God our grandparents were tougher—otherwise America would’ve never survived the 1930′s and the 40′s, when things were actually scary and bad.

     The GOP is pathetic. They know their only hope of being revived is economic ruin, so they have to root against America. And they resort to trying to scare people to the polls. 

    Ronald Reagan talked about a “new dawn”… but all the modern day GOP can talk about are “nightmares.”
    What happened to the conservatives in this country? How did you go from The Big Gipper to Joe the Plumber? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Whitmore/1035258354 David Whitmore

    Monica Crowley nails, point by point, the disease known as liberalism.

  • GNH

    Not even close. He needs 60% of the country dependent upon welfare, then he would have all the power he needs to fulfill his dream. That being; complete control of all commerce, energy policy, and educational institutions. Obama World… similar to Wally World but no roller coaster.

  • Pamela Peltonen

    Dana Loesch has done a superior job covering for Glenn this week.

  • Anonymous

    Good stuff, Ed!
    Another interesting stat is the high pct of the Jewish vote that remains liberal/progressive.  Still around 70%.  Including Asian-Americans, you’ve got the two groups that earn the most and learn the most, both voting overwhelmingly Dem. Hmm…I always find it amusing when Righties try to explain why that is.  Meantime, among the groups that vote reliably Rep are those you’ve correctly identified – poorly-educated whites, who also seem well-represented on Beck’s page. There are reasons for that as well…

  • Anonymous

    I descend from good people, not white trash, so I don’t know about that.  There aren’t very many GOP atheists, the GOP is mostly comprised of God fearing people.  But if you truly have “agape” for God, you admit that you are a sinner and are no better than an atheist or anybody who’s different from you.  Why do you feel that it is conventional wisdom for minorities to get the most out of America’s welfare system? If there were less minority people on welfare then it would be a red flag that minority people were beginning to prosper.  What I was contending was that Obama’s voting base was highly motivated by handouts.  And rich people who applaud the handouts for whatever political motivations of their own.

  • Anonymous

    What would those reasons be?  You’re bigotry against conservatives pisses me off for the record.

  • Anonymous

    The reasons have to do with the fact that sociopolitical viewpoint is heavily influenced by culture.  That’s why the Right has such a a difficult time dealing with the facts that Ed sets forth above.  Asians and Jews, the two sub-cultures with the highest rates of education and economic success, vote heavily Democratic.  By contrast, the demographic base of support for the Right-wing today, like the majority of Beck’s fans, remains white Christians, disproportionately Evangelical, and,with less than a college degree.  Why do you believe it’s bigotry to point this out? 

  • Anonymous

    The only dreams being fulfilled are Beck’s wet dreams of having stupid people buy and eat his horses hit, and call it tiramisu

  • Anonymous

    If you want to contend (falsely) that it takes an idiot to vote Conservative then go ahead. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Why be so conceded? I’m just sick of people thinking that being a Liberal automatically makes someone smart and being a Conservative automatically makes someone stupid. You know you feel this way whether you’ll admit to it or not. Liberals aren’t enlightened to some higher level of intelligence, to think so is patently moronic. Knock it off or continue to be a bigot, it’s up to you.

  • Sandie

    It is tiresome to keep running into these short sighted, brain washed trolls who throw up nonsensical, illogical, pseudo intellectual garbage, often falsely declaring it to be “fact”, in order to heighten their standing in their own (and their parties) eye, falsely labeling and vilifying the opposition to accomplish it.

  • Anonymous

    What’s funny is that for every actual fact that can be recited, there is an equal and opposite load of spun crap in reaction.

  • Sandie

    “…equal and opposite…” hey, isn’t that Newton’s 3rd law of emotion? LOL

  • Anonymous

    Bert: In reality (as opposed to in your imagination), I find it interesting that there are so many intelligent, educated conservatives, several of whom are my dear friends. My prior post noted that most people on both sides tend to get their political viewpoint from their culture, rather than through any attempt at unbiased and thoughtful application of research and logic. I also noted that, statistically, higher education correlates with liberal viewpoints. But I would never confuse the personal with the group – that’s illogical. My specific point was that the two demographic groups with the highest levels of achievement and education vote overwhelmingly Democratic. I also said that it amuses me when conservatives try to explain that statistic. It amuses me precisely because of the presumption, so common on Beck’s web site, that liberals are stupid. Have you seen the frequent use of the term “libtard”? Do you object to that as bigotry? Seriously, I’m very interested in your response to that, as well as any ideas you have that address the issue of why Jews and Asians vote overwhelmingly liberal. Hmm?

  • Sandie

     It is easy for rich people to applaud handouts – it isn’t felt by them.  It also keeps those on the dole voting for them.

  • Sandie

     
    According to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce…are_on_welfare
    http://www.chacha.com/question/what-…2C-or-hispanic

    - 29 million people are on welfare
    - 39% white: 11,661,000
    - 38% black: 11,362,000

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra…United_States:
    - US population: 313,544,041
    - White: 72.4%: 227,005,885
    - Black: 12.6%: 39,506,549

    Math time!:

    Whites: 11.661,000 / 227,005,885 * 100 = 5.13%
    Blacks: 11,362,000 / 39,506,549 * 100 = 28.75%

    That means the total percentage of all white people in America on welfare is: 5.13% as opposed to 28.75% of the black people.Yes, there are more whites on welfare than blacks, but there are more whites NOT on welfare than blacks.
    ALSO, BENEFITS PAID THAT ARE BASED ON PREVIOUS WORK HISTORY WILL DIFFER ACCORDING THE

  • Sandie

    ”  Including Asian-Americans, you’ve got the two groups that earn the most and learn the most, both voting overwhelmingly Dem.”  You omitted the Black population, a group that earns the least and learns the least that vote even more overwhelmingly for Dems. Hmm…I always find it amusing when Lefties try to use foggy “studies” and contrived claims to misrepresent reality in a pathetic attempt to put down people who disagree with them on the right.

  • Anonymous

    Sandie, please, what’s the logical connection of your post to the existing thread? What’s your argument? That there are also liberal voting blocs that are poorly-educated? Of course, but so what? That’s not what’s under discussion, nor is it pertinent. And, what studies are you referring to? I didn’t mention any – just well-known statistical correlations.

    If you’re interested in dialogue, read the thread and let me know what you’re trying to say, please. I try to deal in discussion, not innuendo or insults.

  • Sandie

     It should be obvious. You and ed are tossing out data as if it means anything, I am just exposing it as deceptive and meaningless. Your “well known statistical correlations” are believable because you say so? LOL

    I read the thread, and was thus compelled to comment. If you don’t see how it fits in feel free to ignore it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m tossing out data that’s easy to verify and not really controversial. Please, check it out for yourself. The data isn’t what troubles the Right, it’s the meaning of it. Start with the Jewish vote. Give it a shot, let me know what you come up with. Then check out the statistical correlation between education and voting patterns in general. Interesting stuff.

  • Anonymous

    I’m the one that gave you the thumbs up. As you know I seldom use that device, preferring to comment, but I did like–”feel free to ignore it”

    It was said with such serenity…

  • Sandie

     I haven’t verified it, and you have given no links to it to support it. The left uses faulty data and data that is mischaracterized to invent justification for their claims. Much of it has been debunked. Remember, studies are often sponsored to produce a desired result. Most of them aren’t worth the paper they are written on. It is amusing how one party with a certain interest at portraying another comes up with a “study” which is then debunked by independent sources, or contradicted by the opposing partY with their “study”. To wit, the study that posters on these political boards touted that suposedly  showed that people in red states are not as intelligent as people in blue states which was totally debunked.

    What troubles the right is the dishonesty, deceit and devious machinations of the left that are damaging this country.

  • Sandie

     Hey all is “cool” here. As Alfred E Newman would say … “What, me worry?” LOL

    Thnx for the thumbs up. ;)

  • Anonymous

    Sandie, see if you can focus on a single area rather than talk in generalities about faulty data or sponsored studies. Jewish voting patterns, for example, are well-established. The Right – and people like Beck, who profess such love for Israel – struggle to deal with it, but they don’t deny it. It’s a fact that this most educated and successful group votes overwhelmingly for the left. I’m always interested in hearing people on your side explain why this is. It’s an example of what’s troubles the Right. They’re losing groups they think they should be winning, and they can’t figure out why. What’s your explanation?

  • Sandie

     I did, apparently you had problems with it. I was no less specific than you have been.

    “What difference does it make anyway?” as Hillery says.  Did the Right ever have the majority of Jewish voters? You insist on tagging on “most educated and successful” which means nothing, especially when you can’t recognize that the black voters who are the opposite, least educated and least successful, also vote (and in much higher numbers) for the left. What’s your explanation for it?  By all means, tell us why Jews tend to vote for the left?

  • Anonymous

    OK, so you now accept the fact Jews vote for the Left, but you dismiss its significance rather than explain it. That’s a dodge. This is a big issue for the Right, because it undercuts the argument that Obama/Leftists want to destroy capitalism and redistribute the wealth. Start there, please. Are you prepared to make the case that this wealthy, educated group really votes against its own interests? Same with Asians. How would you explain that? Leftist propaganda? Influence of a deceitful MSM? Black voting patterns are irrelevant to this discussion; their interests are very different.

  • Sandie

    Be clear – not all Jews vote left. Why do you make it my responsibility to explain ,to you that which you don’t explain yourself, and then say it is a dodge when I don’t? The only thing you have come close with is a comment that this “most educated and successful group votes overwhelmingly for the left” and rebuff my parallel that black, the least educated and least successful vote left in even much larger numbers. Yes, it is relevant to the discussion as it is opposed to what you are implying with your comment … “most educated and successful group…”.
    Now, if you are going to deny that you are implying anything with that comment, why use it? Please provide a link to the data that supports your claims.

  • Anonymous

    TO BE CLEAR: My point, as I stated earlier, is that political viewpoint is primarily conditioned by culture. Culture, after all, is how we make sense of the world, and human behavior is directed far more by social and emotional forces than intellectual ones. I think Ed was offering similar views, while Bert seems to believe the notion, popular on the Right, that people vote for Dems because they prefer free stuff over freedom. As an explanation of voting behavior, that’s garbage.
    If sub-cultures with the lowest and highest rates of education and achievement both vote reliably Democratic, they must do so for very different reasons. An argument that the Dems goal is wealth redistribution and govt dependency must address the fact that Jews and Asians vote for Dems. It need not address Blacks because Black voting accords with the argument while the other contradicts it. But such an argument is foolish and unsupportable on many other levels as well. .
    Furthermore, even within Republican-leaning groups like White Christians, those with the highest levels of education are more likely to vote Dem. There is a strong correlation between information-seekers and Dem voters. I’m not disposed to do your research for you on this; I’d rather leave it to your own curiosity to seek information for yourself. Simply google “education level voting patterns” and “Jewish voting patterns” and read. The facts are widely-known, even if unfamiliar to you. Look at voting patterns in professions where scholarship, knowledge and inquiry are core values, academia or journalism, for example. On the other hand, institutions whose core values tend to emphasize orthodoxy, discipline and force tend to be on the Right side: orthodox religious organizations, the military, etc.
    I’d never argue that people on the Left are “smarter”; that’s a nonsensical idea. But it’s equally nonsensical to make the opposite case – that people on the Left are ignorant, foolish or dupes. Yet that’s a constant refrain among the faithful on the Beck site.
    Interesting thread, thanks for your responses, please keep them coming if you’re interested.

  • Thomas Mrak

    What does it say about the GOP if they’re willing to vote in favor of the Welfare State and giving handouts to businesses just to get votes to stay popular with the middle class and the poor instead of standing for fiscally Conservative principals?