WATCH: Glenn’s impassioned reaction to Obama’s U.N. speech

President Obama addressed the Unites Nations General Assembly yesterday, and his speech consisted of several questionable declarations about the state of U.S. foreign policy and the state of the world as a whole. On radio this morning, Glenn unleashed a passionate rebuke the President’s words.

“No one wants to believe that the President of the United States, any president of the United States, is a habitual liar. Nobody does. But how many times do you have to see it for your own self and hear it with your own ears before that label becomes appropriate and absolutely unavoidable insanity to not attach that label,” Glenn asked. “It is way past appropriate to call the President a liar. He is a liar. What is truly incomprehensible, however, is that he can look into the eyes of the American people and look the world in the face and say the things that he said yesterday with a straight face.”

One of the issues the President attempted to address was the tactics and motives of the National Security Agency (NSA) both domestically and abroad.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We’ve begun to review the way that we gather intelligence so that we properly balance the legitimate security concerns of our citizens and allies with the privacy concerns that all people share.

“That’s unbelievable,” Glenn said. “Our privacy concerns as citizens, who are guaranteed to be protected under the Constitution, have been ignored. They have been lied about and they have been shredded.”

We know Americans are uneasy with the surveillance techniques of the federal government, but how do our allies feel? Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff used her speech, which opened the U.N. General Assembly, to accuse the U.S. of violating human rights and international law through espionage that included spying on her email.

PRESIDENT ROUSSEFF: The permanent mission of Brazil with the United Nations and even the very presidency of the republic of Brazil were subject to interception of communications. Tampering in such a manner in the life and affairs of other countries is a breach of international law and as such, it is an affront to the principles that should otherwise govern relations among countries, especially among friendly nations. What we have before us, Mr. President, is a serious violation of human rights and civil liberties, a case of invasion and capture of confidential secret information pertaining to business activities and, above all, a case of disrespect against the sovereignty of my country.

“Does this sound like she agrees – that her concerns have been properly balanced by the President of the United States,” Glenn asked. “Who are we turning into? She is, quite frankly, pissed and should be. She has every right to be. She was actually scheduled to come to Washington for an official state visit, but she cancelled it. Brazil cancelled an official state visit because of this spying program. Do you know anything about this? Have you heard this in the news?”

The President, according to Glenn, has “ruined or weakened” our ties with our closest allies, as much as he has worsened our relationship with our enemies.

“They are talking now about the United States of America violating basic human rights. This is not Iran saying this. This is Brazil,” Glenn said. “And then our President has the gall to stand up and say this yesterday:”

PRESIDENT OBAMA: As a result of this work, in cooperation with allies and partners, the world is more stable than it was five years ago.

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“You’ve got to be kidding me: The world was more stable than it was five years ago. This is why, honestly, we don’t concentrate on presidential speeches anymore because blood shoots out of my eyes,” Glenn proclaimed exasperatedly. “I can’t believe the Hollywood world we live in, where everybody allows him to get away with this. The world is more stable than it was five years ago?”

Let’s quickly rundown just a few of the unstable events that have transpired in the last five years:

“You mean like before Egypt was on fire? Before Egypt rounded up 50,000 Muslim Brotherhood clerics and outlawed the group? Really? You mean we’re more stable now? Before two changes in Egyptian leadership within a year, including a military coup that we don’t even know if you’ll call it a coup or not? You mean more stable than when the Christian churches were burned to the ground and Coptic Christians were being massacred? Because these are the changes in Egypt, by the way, Mr. President, that you encouraged,” Glenn explained.

“The world is more stable now that we don’t have a dictator in Libya,” he asked. “Don’t like the dictator, didn’t like him, but now Al‑Qaeda is in charge of Libya, and the world is on fire there.”

The world was less stable before Libya burst into flames and four Americans were murdered in Benghazi. It was more stable, when the world thought that we would actually go rescue our own people,” Glenn continued. “You have the gall to say that the world’s more stable after Kenyan terrorists began rising up and murdering innocent people at shopping malls? The world was really less stable before the Syrian Civil War, which hundreds of thousands of people have been killed. Chemical weapons were used. Because we destabilized the world, Mr. President! And the world is on the brink of World War III, and you have the gall to say it’s more stable?”

There is no quantifiable way to argue that the world is more stable now than when President Obama took office, so why is he even trying to make that case?

“Mr. President, you are far too intelligent for this. You know better than this, but maybe you don’t because everybody is afraid to say anything to you. So maybe you don’t. Maybe you’ve never learned a lesson because nobody ever has the guts to say anything to you,” Glenn said. “Nobody will ever say, ‘Do you realize what you’ve just done? Do you realize what that speech just did? Do you realize what the ramifications are? Do you realize, Mr. President?’ No. Instead, everybody fawns over you and says you’re the greatest leader to ever live! So maybe you don’t. But I can’t believe anymore that you’re not just straight‑up lying.”

“Let me understand this. Is that really your idea of stable, Mr. President? Is that really what you think is stable,” he continued. “Because to quote the Princess Bride, “You keep using that word, and I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Glenn ended his impassioned monologue with a plea to the American people:

“Let me ask you something: Where are you? Where are you? When will you have the basic human dignity and decency to stand up and denounce,” Glenn asked. “I don’t care if you denounce this man or denounce your vote. I don’t care. You denounce what’s going on. You stand up and say, ‘No, not in my name.’ When? For the sake of our lives, our children, our God, our liberty? When will you finally wake up and say, ‘I can’t be a part of this, not in my name. Not in my name.’”

  • Anonymous

    Glenn Beck the blumpkin prince is calling the President of the United States a liar. That is rich. Glenn should lay on his back and let Ted Cruz tittyfuck him for 21 hours, while wearing a diaper. That way, both he and Cruz would be doing something more useful than what they have been doing the past few days

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Obama’s very words show how great his insanity and instability has become: not only lies, distortions and fabrications permeate the entire UN-speech, it is demonstrated his pathological narcissism and uttermost hatred for America.

    Obama is unfit to hold office and needs to be removed from it post haste.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    I can see, based on your proclivity for usage of profanely graphic sexual acts you must be a democrat and a fanatically perverted one at that. Go somewhere else troll.

  • Steve Rafael Johnson

    That was profound and original.  Good job ole sport!!

  • Draxx

    I think moob needs to stay away from the Fetish Pornography… and keep it off of Public Forums for Decency Sake!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Yes, the world is more stable than it was five years ago.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Because flames terrorist attack after terrorist attacks. We almost went to war with Syria. What are you blind?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    To bad we can’t refuse to pay taxes get millions of people not to pay taxes and you will shut down these fools.

  • Anonymous

    I think People need to look at the perspective of this man. He is indoctrinated to believe if Islam is succeeding you are moving closer to peace. Since you can only have peace once everyone is under Islamic law. So to him what he says is not false. It is true.

  • Luci D’Mari

    Glenn, you have got to think like they think. The world IS more stable to them because they are winning. Their agenda is progressing. What is Obama doing speaking at the ungodly UN in the first place? Our Constitution is what he swore to defend. But, NO, he is on THE OTHER SIDE and so he is perfectly content as to how things are going.  He is not talking to us. He is talking to THEM.

  • Anonymous

    The world ‘s people heard him say the world is more stable. Maybe his fan club who elected him believe that. The rest of the world might think he is nuts or living in some dream world.

  • Mike Nelson

    You have at times offered a good spoiler position worthy of debate, but this statement appears to me merely false.  On what do you base the assertion?

    I could understand if you said that we exist in the same state of chaotic flux as then… but actually “more stable than it was five years ago”?

    How?

  • Anonymous

    yes, obama is a pathological liar because he is evil and evil people see nothing wrong with lying.  his followers also are unrighteous because they accept his lies.  I have never heard him every NOT lie.  he lies, lies, and lies every single time he opens his dirty mouth.

  • Anonymous

    does anyone have the courage to say that obama is evil and possibly the antichrist?  there is absolutely nothing good about this lazy evil piece of garbage.

  • Anonymous

     only dumb liberals talk vulgar like you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marilynmanson.richardson Marilyn-manson Richardson

    NO NOT IN MY NAME

  • http://www.facebook.com/marilynmanson.richardson Marilyn-manson Richardson

    I truly believe that this man Obama is as crazy and evil as Hitler, or any of the others that the people allowed to continue his rampage. If he is not stopped it will be the American people who are the slaves to unfair rulers
     

  • Anonymous

    Am pretty sure B.O. has been fitted with ”rose colored” contact lens.  Thus, that is how he sees

    the world.  “Crisis?  What crisis?”   ”Unrest?  Where?  Who?  Everything is fine in the world

    today.  Of course, there MIGHT be one or two ‘bad players’, but we have an eye on them.  Not

    to worry.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/marilynmanson.richardson Marilyn-manson Richardson

     you are disgusting and personally I hope you are the first to realize the truth….

  • Anonymous

    Of course, with the backing of the main media, BO still appears as a hero president. While other nation leaders mock this incompetent, America still believes all the lies he utters and then some. 

  • http://www.absoluteintensity.com dennis reilly

    Bush and Clinton are to cowardly to address this issue, and they are being accused by Obama of running an empire for themselves and America and that includes all the people who worked with them like Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Boehner, Kerry, Issa, none of you escape the wrath of Obama so just keep smiling with him

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like Obama made a total fool of himself…
    Wish I could see the whole speech…

  • Anonymous

    I wish I could say he’s just stupid in his submissions but sadly, I don’t think so. This man is pure evil and his motivation is power, but most importantly, Money…wealth. He’s an arrogant pustule programmed to use the tele-prompter no matter the message. When one is scruple-less and is lacking in conscience, they behave like Obama.

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    But, but, but… Bush….Bush….er um it’s Bush’s fault!

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    in his world view, the world now, is as he wants it to be, so right on schedule = better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/manuel.manjarrez.313 Manuel Manjarrez

     hey fucker were ever you go I will hit you back just as hard and it is fun to do thanks to glenN I can go after stupid fuck cunts like you without being deleted making fun of your pussy hood is fun now I know why you kool aid drinking cum sucking commie fuckers like to write like this it is fun so I will do what the others are to nice respectful and cerebral who rather ignore you don’t want to do like you I am a bastard but I work for the right side though I admit I love hot chicks and parties

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    It shows their true IQ level. So many libbies stuck on stupid. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/harold.mac.3 Harold Mac

       IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE ???????     HELP…..

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t we get thes peopleout of office to include all the government agencies that follow his every order!??????

  • http://www.facebook.com/harold.mac.3 Harold Mac

    SOME WAY, …SOME HOW….,WE MUST MAKE  WALLSTREET THE VICTIM  AS TO WHY THIERE STOCKS ARE NOT PERFORMING WELL AS THEY DESIRE….NO..THEY WANT TO MAKE HIGH DIVIDENDS NO MATER WHAT THE CAUSE MAY BE…SME GOES FOR (  SAMPLE )   POWER COMPANYS, INSURANCE COMPANYS, DRUG COMPANYS,ETC   THE LIST GOES ON AD ON. WE CAN NOT KEEP RAISING PRICESB IN ORDER TO COVER A DOWNFALL IN STOCK HOLDERS DELEMAS…YET GOVERNMENT KEEPS PILLING IT ON….I’M UP IN MY HIGH 80s IN AGE,  IVE SEEN IT AND PREDICTED YRS. AGO MONOPOLIZING, ( POWER TAKE OVERS OR ( BUY OUTS ) ,…MERGERS  WILL FINISH US OFF…..AMERICA…..DO…NOT…FEED   INTO THE HAND S OF OUTSTRETCHED POLITICIANS WHO WANT  MONEY FOR …  .ANYTHING.. .   CAMPAENING…FIRST, IT SHOWS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ONE THING, AND AND WE ARE NOT GETTING FROM WASHINGTON ANY WAY NEAR WHAT THE  STATED  TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC…..

  • Anonymous

    Obama IS very intelligent, but he consistently believes that if he simply says it, it is so. That has nothing to do with intellect or reasoning. It has everything to do with pathological narcissism. 

    The man cannot handle it when his detractors scorn his ridiculous claims. This is very little different from the speech he gave while Aaron Alexis was rampaging through a building at the Navy yard. He not only didn’t cancel the speech, he used it to pat himself on the back repeatedly for “saving” the economy! He used it, as well, to heap scorn and contempt on Republicans in the most crass display of non-evenhandedness ever publicly exhibited by an American president. If this is how he speaks on the record while ignoring the fact that people are being murdered a mile from his location, can you imagine what he is telling his people behind closed doors? There is literally no lie he will not tell, no claim he will not make, no matter how glaringly ludicrous his claims. 

    And the press falls right into line. They crucified, and continue to do so, George Bush for simply thanking the military and giving them kudos with the phrase, “Mission accomplished!” Yet, if Obama makes a claim that the economy and unemployment are the best ever seen, and the US has brought stability to the world through HIS foreign policy, that’s A-OK to them. Their “profession” has become anything but that. 

    With no one he cares about to declare “The emperor has no clothes!”, he has no incentive to rein in his behavior or consider his decisions in light of how they will actually affect the world. His handling of Brazil is simply par for the course. He is so callously arrogant that he simply gives a speech patting himself on the back and lo, and behold, the press falls right into line and not a word is “wasted” on Brazil’s clearly justified accusations. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    With this little performance, and the signing of the UN small arms agreement by his henchman The Secretary of State, our nation is in peril. We are approaching dark days indeed if this stuff is any indication. 

    This is the kind of change most of us hoped to avoid. 

  • Anonymous

    The moslem obunghole is a murderer on a mass scale.  What a filthy, moslem, Kenyan son of a bitch.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Many Britons thought the same of Neville Chamberlain in the 1930′s. There are many blind among us, some by choice, some by indoctrination. 

    I think you will find that most of America outside of the major cities do not believe his constant stream of lies. There is a large segment of the population who do not approve of him or his actions. 

    All I can say is we could have avoided this by large conservative turn out in the past election, but some of us decided to stay home because Romney wasn’t conservative enough. Sitting out the election brought us to this. Never should we make that mistake again. 

    Next election we need to take the Senate and the following one, the White House. 

    If we can hold on that long. These people have gotten too far already.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Said the unstable troll. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    THIS president IS a LIAR. What part of that do you not understand? Your vulgarity notwithstanding you have no impact or influence here, so go back to Media Matters or Alternet where your kind of filth is appreciated. We don’t need or want your blather here or anywhere else for that matter. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    It was well crafted and well deserved. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    I see you have learned a bunch of inappropriate language. Fine, now take it and go, troll.

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding?  Each and every one of us can change our W-9 withholding tomorrow.  Why are we paying taxes in advance?  Make a difference, stop having taxes taken out of your checks and see how long the government will run without you.  You owe nothing until you file your taxes.  Start your own tax savings account and pay your taxes when they become due.  Even if you owe a penalty for doing so, what a statement it would make!

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Sir, I know you have seen this before. We are going through what took hold of Germany in the 1930s. I firmly believe that this administration is as evil as the one that took power in the land of castles and fairy tales – no one believed it there until it was too late. I sincerely hope we can avoid repeating that history. 

    I also think that as this administration bungles our economy as they have been doing it is a matter of time before the market collapses. Of course, this administration will blame it all on Bush instead of accepting the responsibility that while Bush’s economy was bad, this administration has managed to dramatically increase the degree of just how bad the economy has become. I feel we may be facing a crash in the not so distant future. 

    God bless you, but none of the news is good and the trend is for it to get much worse.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I want you to seriously think about this before I explain. 

  • Guest

     Right. He wants us to sign the UN gun deal, which would do damage to our 2nd Amendment rights.

  • Guest

     You are right. To stand on principle is good, but to put the country in jeopardy by doing it blindly, without logical analyhsis, without good judgment is the choice of prideful fools.

  • Guest

    double post

  • Guest

      You are right. To stand on principle is good, but to put the country in jeopardy by doing it blindly, without logical analysis, without good judgment is the choice of prideful fools.

  • Guest

     Where?

  • Guest

     You are stalling because you can’t answer the question.

  • Guest

     Disqus has gone crazy and posted my comments as if they are new posts instead of below the post to which they respond. Isolated to me or is everyone experiencing this?

  • Anonymous

    Obama is part of the problem.  Until we have term limits for the House and Senate, our country will continue this path towards ruin.  Our government is not for the people as they are all one in the same (democrat, republican).  It is all a show put on by the ones we as voters put in power.  Vote all the incumbents out!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever seen the video of Glenn Beck sucking a drug dealer’s cock for cocaine?

  • Guest

     You are stalling because you can’t answer the question.
     
    Answer the question, after all, you made the claim Gristle.

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  • Anonymous

    Barry Soetoro is a classic product of Social promotion…A guy who has high self esteem without any accomplishment.  At least the star football players in grade schools get automatic promotion to the next grade for excelling at SOMETHING, unlike Barry, who coasted up the ladder of Prog-controlled academia because of his ethnicity. 

  • Anonymous

    Obama is THE MAN !!! Obama have a priccck, d**** , and on top of that tiitttt !! OBEY REPENT(kiss the boots) OBEY REPENT(pray for Obama) OBEY !!! OR YOU WILL PAY(you will pay anyway, but you not supposed to know that) !!!

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  • Anonymous

    And a new day will dawn for those who stay long.                              Biblically men are known as
    And the forest will echo  with laughter                                                                                                                      TREES

  • Anonymous

    Trees do not chase the wind.
    The wind whisper’s through but stand strong are the TREES of GOD 

  • Bonnie Somer

    U BET 

  • Bonnie Somer

    Y NOT HAVE U ASKED

  • Bonnie Somer

    ONLY IF WE ALLOW IT TIME TO END IT NOW OR LATER BUT THE WAR IS ON AND OBAMA STARTED IT WE MUST WIN 

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Wow your a racist.

  • Mike Nelson

    So… if I read you right… you’re saying that now the collective “we” see what a(n obvious) bad idea that was, and are looking at what we have done with an eye more critical toward all things?

    If that’s right (or close) then you are saying that the world being “more stable” means that individuals themselves are more ready to accept their decisions, or deal with the reality of “our” (societal?) lack of rectitude in making those choices?

    I’m sort of wallowing in open-ocean swells here, so if I’m wrong please DO correct my misunderstanding… but be assured, if I follow you correctly, I see where you’re coming from… and I’d add to the list of *what* we elected that he is a community organizer (who, by definition and relative practice, knows only how to attack/destroy, rather than actually build anything larger than the foci of his own internal perceptions and angst) from Chicago.

    So… if I’m ON about most of this, are you or are you not an Obama supporter?  And if so, WHY? (negative or positive reinforcement?)

  • Anonymous

    Obama is just a LIAR. He is a Charlatan.  Intelligent for the fact that  he knows people are so enamoured by his persona that no fact checks are made on him.  Besides the fact that people MOSTLY dont care, are indifferent to the world around them, and only interested in consumism.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I’m sorry for not responding; I was on assignment for a few days.

    I am not an Obama supporter for many, many reasons, the drone war being salient, however, compared to essentially anyone on the right side of the isle, he’s preferable to almost anyone.

    I liken it to being the hottest Denny’s waitress…

  • Mike Nelson

    You’ve been forthcoming and this dialogue has been illuminating and helpful for me, thanks for your attention.

    Last questions for this thread, i think… I’m no Republican (although I do have *r*epublican leanings), but when I was, it was for the same reason you state (the best of bad choices – on which point we may not agree).  Last election I voted for Gary Johnson, and it was the first vote I’ve felt GOOD about since 1988… and back then I was a dupe kid with lacking historical and political knowledge, or I’d have felt like a tool then, too.
    So… have you an opinion on the Libertarian party, or libertarianism as a basis?

    You strike me much as a classic liberal (less gov’t in our lives – a point I support unambiguously), but here you have identified yourself as my enemy.  Was this hyperbole?  Or would you still classify yourself as such?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    As I’ve stated before, I enjoy sharing ideas, not comparing them. The pleasure has been all mine. Thank you for your patience and, seemingly, open mind.

    For the record, I do not, nor have ever, voted in any election in the United States. I feel that I gave up that right when I stepped into the dark side. I like Gary Johnson, for the most part.

    Libertarianism, while at least more intellectually nourishing and morally righteous than Objectivisim, is largely incompatible with the international political landscape. Do you remember the Seattle WTO riots? The Chicago NATO protests? The variety of G8 summit demonstrations? These were all, regardless who attended them (it was rightists and leftists) were patently stupid, amounted to nothing, and essentially protested Free Trade, something Libertarians claim to be paramount in their beliefs…then they go and say that NAFTA is awful and the WTO is the Illuminati (they are, but that’s not a bad thing.)

    Simply Google: Libertarianism NATO. Let me know if you agree with the general consensus among your cohorts.

    Ultimately, Libertarianism is something of a noble philosophy, but not an applicable political school of thought in our exponentially globalizing world.

    To be wholly honest with you, my political “beliefs” are veiled. I am not a classical liberal. I am not a European conservative. While I would call myself a “progressive,” I hesitate to use that term here as this is one website on the internet where “progressiveness” is misunderstood more than anywhere else.

    Internationalist? Yes. Globalist? Absolutely. Laissez-Faire ideals? Sure. Socialist? Kind of.

    Most accurately, I am a democratic transhumanist. Our objective is to unify human consciousness into a single, omnipotent entity. Economic automation is essential. All decisions made by a instantaneous global consensus in which every human’s thoughts, desires, and needs are factored into the algorithm that defines cosmic governance. Scarcity will transform into abundance. The needs of many will be the needs of all. The only frontier that has ever existed is the self. We seek to evolve that.

    This is going to happen.

    I only consider myself “your” (not you specifically, but the denizens of this site) enemy insofar as, from what limited exposure I have had, this particular bizarre, irrational, religious, quasi-Luddite political movement will be most likely to resist inevitability.

  • Mike Nelson

    There’s a LOT that comes up under “Libertarianism NATO”, so I’m not sure what you want commentary on; as you’re probably aware, there are as many shades of libertarianism (small “L”) as there are of “r”epublicanism or any other school of thought.

    Regarding NAFTA, I’m troubled by the allowance of non-US licensed drivers, and vehicles that are non-compliant with US safety standards onto US roads, and I don’t know how uniform LAWS are enforced when standards are so disparate.  I’m also opposed to the idea of the Amero (currency), to which I believe NAFTA is a gateway.  Given the loss of sovereignty associated with the loss of control of currency, I think I don’t agree with your assertion that Libertarians, on a philosophical basis, should not be opposed to the treaty.  That’s not to say that I think Libertarians are just right about everything, but I do find them to be “most correct” of the current movements in the US political arena at present.

    The WTO is another animal, and I think you may be assuming the superiority of your globalist perspective over the philosophy of others who don’t want so much control of their lives to be dependent on things so far from home – most especially in light of the corruption that lives at the international level, and especially in the UN itself.  However, it’s more prescient, imo, to reckon that people who want less government certainly don’t want to support more foreign-controlled government, even if those persons individually are unable to articulate such a perspective.

    In short, without a complete automation of humanity (which is a possible future based on the writings of men like Ray Kurzweil and the current factor of tech miniaturization and computational power and proliferation), I don’t think your stated transhumanist goals can be meaningfully realized in a manner that is decisively not dehumanizing.  I also confess to finding the Borg mentality less than attractive, based on my personal rejection of mass-market messaging and the associated, and nigh inescapable propaganda assault on both the conscious mind (billboards, sports fixation, falsebook, and the overall consumer mentality that has come from a once-almost-wholesome drive to compete with the neighbors) and the unconscious (the actual messaging of the propaganda, and what it is intended to do to the individual’s drive and potential; the piped-in laugh tracks in sitcoms; and the oppressively marketed COMPLY TO BELONG collective message evidenced by Obama’s 19M fake twits), and I think – without ever having been faced with the hard choice of do-or-die – that I would rather die than conform, if it came to being faced with the choice at (actual or proverbial) gunpoint.

    I “sort of” don’t want to find out what I’m made of, in that regard… but therein lies the hope of my position: I endorse that the struggle itself is a worthy endeavor, and I assert that, given a true hiveminded collective, that all of that noble and honorable drive to survive would be subjugated, which would make all of us – both individually and collectively – less than human… and therefore less than we are now.

    Perhaps you are familiar with the Japanese word “namaste?”  The loose translation of that word is something to the effect of, “I see You,” or, “I recognize that which makes you a Self.”  This is an important recognition for me, and it is a perspective lacking in far, far too many people – mostly because they haven’t the sand to look within themselves, and are consequently unable to perceive in anyone else, anything but a threat.

    In that vein, I perceive it a duty, as a Man (not just a “man” – anyone who has a penis qualifies in that regard, but a Man is something more), to resist things that would corral my spirit, and I tend to look poorly on those who would trade their intrinsic Self for a place of belonging in The Collective.  I think I understand the thinking, but it is not higher thinking in my opinion, but rather a surrender to fears of inadequacy, even if those fears are in regard to one’s perception of the hopeless nature of the human plight.

    The fact is that we are all born shitting on ourselves and in need of nurture and care in order to learn to live, and we all die, and when that time comes, we all do it alone.  We may not be by ourselves when it happens, but no one can do it with us.  And when that happens, we will all shit on ourselves again.  It’s what we do in the middle, while we are each individually who WE are, as individuals, that makes everything worth anything.  I just don’t see how an automaton-man can make that necessarily transient leap of faith in striving for something that others don’t see, or understand, or care about, and the loss of humanity that is a necessary sacrifice to join the Borg appears to me a required sacrifice to reach the goal you articulate.

    That there is a piss-poor elucidation of my beliefs, but it is as effective a response as I can formulate on a forum where there is little personal knowledge of one’s conversational partner/adversary.

    That said, I’ve enjoyed this dialogue as well, and more than ever I would like to have a couple of beers with you.  If you have a good way of making personal contact that do not include publicly posting personal information, I would welcome the opportunity to make your acquaintance.

    Namaste, sir.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Please do not belittle your thoughtful response. On this site, you are a diamond in the rough.

    Q is a more applicable comparison to the future of humankind, not The Borg, should you wish to use a Star Trek analogy.

    Thank you for your kind words. I assume you are stateside? I will investigate a secure means of contact. If you ever find yourself in or near Romandie, please do not hesitate to launch a smoke signal or dispatch a carrier pigeon. I’ll bring a variety of bottles.

    Side-note: If beer is your thing, add visiting Brussels to your bucket list. By far one of the greatest places I have ever visited.

    http://deliriumcafe.be/ -2400 beers and, pound for pound, the nicest, friendliest drunken people I have ever encountered anywhere.

    The most profound culture shock I have ever experienced was there: beautiful, friendly, inviting, intelligent Audrey Hepburn-esque women sipping Chimay Blue out of proper glassware.

    Cheers and good hunting, sir. Namaste.

  • Mike Nelson

    Disqus being what it is, I seem no longer to have the option to reply to your last post in the right spot, but I think we ran that discussion out to the point of understanding.

    I was never much of a fan of Q, but I see your point in making the correction.

    And you are correct, I am stateside, near the Great Lakes, and willing to travel a bit, should you make it over the Pond.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Great Lakes? I’ll be in Chicago sometime in the near future.

    Keep you posted, sir.

  • Mike Nelson

    That would be doable.

  • Mike Nelson

    email me: yeti21 at google

  • Mike Nelson

    Not sure if you saw my other post, or were misled by my misleading way of trying to not be spammed.

    Please do email.

    yeti21 at gmail

  • Mike Nelson

    It’s niggling me that you don’t contact me man, I very much desire a further discourse with you, but find these forums to be as lacking as you have observed.

    Have you found a way you are comfortable with to make contact and still preserve some aspect of security in so doing?

    If you are still planning a trip to the US midwest, I would be pleased to make your acquaintance.

    Hope you’re enjoying the wine out there.