In 2016, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) popularized socialism with his presidential campaign. Socialism is no longer seen as a risk by many young voters. What happened? Why don’t people understand the dangers of socialism when they can see how North Korea and Venezuela have used socialist structures to starve their own people?
Doc talked about free markets and capitalism vs. socialism on today’s show, wondering why younger voters don’t seem to understand that socialism is a threat to freedom.
“Capitalism has become a bad word,” Doc said. “From my earliest memories, I learned the truth about socialism. Socialism is an unsustainable political structure and social structure that will lead to one of several evil, oppressive governments: fascism, communism.”
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This is a rush transcript and may contain errors.
DOC: Doc Thompson in for Glenn Beck today. I’ll be with you tomorrow as well, if you want to follow me on Twitter. It’s @DocThompsonShow. And I’ll engage with you as well. We’ll find out what you learned throughout the program, with the #whatIlearnedtoday. We’ll get to some calls coming up, 888-727-BECK. 888-727-BECK.
Over the past few years, on our morning broadcast on TheBlaze Radio Network, and you can find out more about me at TheBlazeRadio.com. It’s TheBlazeRadio.com.
We have focused on free markets and freedom. The idea that these things are really good. And I know you’re like, well, of course, they’re good.
But the problem is, capitalism has become a bad word. Socialism has become, as you know, just this norm, accepted, wonderful, starry-eyed way to go. Just bizarre that we’ve gotten to that.
From my earliest memories, I learned the truth about socialism. Socialism is an unsustainable political structure or social structure that will lead to one of several evil, oppressive governments.
Fascism, communism, theocracies. Any of these things start with the idea of socialism. Somebody can orchestrate the perfect society by dictating how you live, how much you must give, redistributing what everybody has. It’s unsustainable and leads to some sort of totalitarianism. It gets the support of the masses from the concept of, well, you don’t have enough. So we’ll go get it from those people. And the government will tell them how much they can have, and you get to have some of theirs. It all starts off with the noblest of causes and always ends the same way. One bad society.
We’re seeing a living example of that throughout 2017. In Venezuela. An absolute disaster.
That’s what always ends up happening. The countries that have been totalitarian regimes that have had increased successes over the last few years, decades, are countries who have gone away from that. Countries like China, for example. And taken up more capitalist policies.
So we support the idea of free markets. And not just bitching about the little snowflakes who support socialism in their safe spaces on college campuses and why socialism is so wonderful. “Bernie 2020.” But the good news and positive ideas. And positive outcomes from capitalism and free markets and letting people decide for themselves how to live.
And we’re going to do even more of that in 2018. We offer free commercials to people on the air. You got a business? Email me. Believe America at TheBlaze.com. We spotlight businesses, just to say, hey, here’s your jump-start because marketing is difficult and expensive. And we’re going to do even more of that in 2018. We got some huge ideas coming up that are going to help you, even if it’s not a full business.
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All right. We’ll get to some calls before we move on. We have some other things happening in the world today.
Let’s go to Line 44. Jerry in Wisconsin, you are on the Glenn Beck Program. How are you?
CALLER: Hey, Doc, you’re probably right. There’s probably sometimes where the media has been unfair to Donald Trump. I’m not going to completely deny that. But considering what Donald Trump has said about the media, he has called the media — he has stated that it’s disgusting, that the American person press, that the media has the right to report what they want.
He has — he’s literally a fascist. You’re a Libertarian. He’s a fascist. He’s an authoritarian. He has contempt for the First Amendment. His quotes are nothing different than what Mussolini might say. He has disdain for our idea, for the press to report. The only media he likes is media that parrots what he says and that praises him like Fox News. This is a man who just shouldn’t be president. He has contempt for the first president and what our Founding Fathers gave us.
DOC: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Shouldn’t be president. What do you mean by that?
CALLER: Because he has contempt for the Constitution. He has contempt for what the right of free press, as I stated — he said it was disgusting. Said the media has the media to report what they do —
DOC: Let me ask you something. Hang on one second. Hang on one second, Jerry. I’ll let you talk some more.
I just want to explore one thing. Is Donald Trump over the age of 35?
DOC: Is he a natural-born citizen?
CALLER: I didn’t say that he’s ineligible. I said he shouldn’t be.
DOC: Well, he became president. Based on —
CALLER: Mussolini became the leader of Italy. Should Mussolini — tell me, should Mussolini become the leader of Italy? Do you think it was a great thing that Mussolini became the leader of Italy? Because I don’t.
DOC: No, no, no, you’re conflating it. People supported him, and people have a difference of opinion.
Now, you can say you don’t support his ideas. But I hate this idea of shouldn’t be and not my president and all of that nonsense.
CALLER: I didn’t say not my president. I just said he shouldn’t be. He shouldn’t be. Like Republicans said the same thing about Obama. When Obama was president for eight years, they said the exact same thing. I’m saying the same thing about Trump. He shouldn’t be.
DOC: You mean you don’t want him to be president? You wish he was not president?
CALLER: No. Mentally, he’s deranged. He’s a narcissist. He’s emotionally immature. He’s completely unqualified. He’s president, but he’s a horrible president. That’s the point.
DOC: Okay. Now, you’re basing that on you having different values than him? Is that why you’re saying he’s a horrible president?
CALLER: I’ve listened to him for the last 20 years.
DOC: Give me a couple of specifics of him, and you say he’s a horrible president.
CALLER: Well, okay. The war on the media — the war on freedom on the press.
DOC: Hold on one second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
CALLER: Praising Nazis.
DOC: We’re taking this one at a time. This is a conversation. One at a time.
DOC: So the war on the press. Do you mean the war on the press where he’s challenged people like Jim Acosta and said that’s fake news? Is that what you mean by that?
CALLER: That’s one. But anyway —
DOC: No. Hold on, Jerry. I want to explore these — hold on. Hang on. Jerry, hang on. Hang on.
We’re going to get to this stuff. It’s a conversation, Jerry. Hold on. Hold on. So are you talking about stuff like Jim Acosta, where he has challenged them and said, sit down, you’re fake news and stuff? Is that what you’re talking?
CALLER: Well, anything they report he calls fake news, even if the reporting is exactly right. Because to Donald Trump, anything that’s not in his reality is fake news. He praises news that praises him, like Fox News, which is the propaganda arm of Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
DOC: And, Jerry, you really — really are going to say those things without calling out President Obama for his closed door special meetings with certain members of the media? You’re not going to call out MSNBC for being his talking surrogate during his platform — during his presidency? You’re not going to be consistent?
CALLER: Okay. Those — they did favor President Obama. That’s true. Yes.
DOC: No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, Jerry, hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Hold it. No, no, no. They did not favor him. They promoted him. They, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC —
CALLER: The liberal media. The liberal media.
DOC: Don’t do that. See, this is the reason people can’t have discussions, Jerry. This is the reason. I’m admitting Donald Trump of course likes media that’s going to favor him. And, yes, Fox News praises him because they are a right-wing media outlet. Of course. But you’re not willing to give that due? You’re not willing to be consistent? You’ve lost credibility if you’re not willing to point out that the other media outlets rabidly, blindly supported President Obama because they are progressives.
CALLER: Okay. Rabidly, blindly, no.
DOC: Hold on. Hold on. Do you work in the media? Do you work in the media?
DOC: Okay. I work in the media. My wife works in the media. She works in television media. And I can tell you overwhelmingly, people in the media are progressive. It’s not even close. It’s not even, well, it’s 60-40. It’s like 80-20. 90-10. The number of progressives. It’s true. But you don’t — hold on, Jerry. You don’t even need to know that though to look at the reporting. I can’t believe you would defend this, knowing, just admit it — listen, is Rush Limbaugh, is Glenn Beck, are they on the right? Yes. I’m not disputing that. Were they critical of Obama because they don’t like his policies? Yes, I’m not disputing that. So wouldn’t you simply hold people accountable to have credibility so we can have honest discussions? Why do you make me go through this when you know the truth?
CALLER: Okay. Know the truth. One, even MSNBC, they’re not as biased as Fox News. Probably — one of the reasons why so many people in the media are on the left are —
DOC: You lost all credibility — hold it. When you say — hold it. We can’t argue here. When you say they’re not biased, you’ve lost as credibility. You know that’s not the truth.
CALLER: Well, Doc, you still don’t answer me. Are you fine with Donald Trump saying the media was disgusting, that they have the right to report what they did? Because to me, that’s disdain and contempt for our Founding Fathers.
DOC: No, I have no problem with him saying the media is disgusting.
CALLER: No, it’s disgusting they have the right to report and publish. He believes the media shouldn’t have the right. He believes the media shouldn’t have the right — in the First Amendment that James Madison wrote down —
DOC: Hold it. Jerry, Jerry, stop with the historical lesson. Trust me, I understand the First Amendment. I understand that.
No, of course, the freedom of the press is solid. It’s absolute. Of course, it is. And anybody who says, whether it’s Donald Trump or President Obama, is wrong. Do you remember President Obama calling out Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh? Do you remember —
CALLER: I don’t remember him saying —
DOC: Do you remember him calling out Fox News? Do you remember those things?
CALLER: Disgusting. I don’t remember him saying it’s disgusting that Sean Hannity can report what he wants. You tell me when President Obama said that and I will apologize and take that — any position. You tell me when President Obama said it was disgusting for the media to do that.
DOC: When he called them out for their biases and not admitting the other, so you’re hung up on the word disgusting. Jerry, you know the truth here. I’m not argue that go Fox News is biased. And I’m not arguing that President Trump shouldn’t say people don’t have a right to report.
Of course, they do. They can report opinion for that matter. I just prefer them to be transparent up front.
But the fact that you and others are not being consistent now because you simply do not like policies of his and you may not like the way he presents himself, you’ve lost all credibility. You are actually — Jerry, you are actually the problem.
CALLER: He’s a fascist. He’s a fascist.
DOC: Stop. Stop. We’re not going down that road. I’m talking about your lack of credibility right now. How are we supposed to find common ground and have discussions when you know the truth and you can’t just simply admit that?
CALLER: I know the truth as you stating what I should know the truth.
DOC: Jerry, you’ve exposed yourself.
CALLER: CNN. Somewhat on the left.
DOC: No, no, no, no. No probably. No, Jerry, no. Hold it. Hold it a second. There’s no probably with this, Jerry. There’s no probably with, yeah, they are. Just admit it.
MSNBC is every bit as progressive as Fox News is conservative. I’m willing to concede. Fox News — absolutely the same. But on the other side, CNN, absolutely. I’m not trying to say, oh, Fox News isn’t. Fox News is right. Of course. I work for TheBlaze.
We’re from a right-leaning perspective. Of course, we’re admitting it. We will never get beyond this stuff. We will never find solutions. We will never find common grounds that you supposedly want. You want to have discussions. We got to have a conversation on race in America. We can never have any conversations on this stuff.
Because you will not be consistent. Because that is not what a progressive is. It is a cornerstone of progressivism, which you are, to not be consistent.
CALLER: That’s what I wanted to know. Thanks.
DOC: And there you go. There it is.
Willing to have a conversation, but he’s a fascist, whatever, whatever. I’m willing to discuss with you. We can find common ground. But if you’re going to start with, those people are worse and it didn’t happen here, President Trump should not say, people do not have a right to report. Of course, they do. And the things where he has tweeted, suggested, said things like that, absolutely wrong. The First Amendment is absolute. Period.
He was wrong. Calling the media out, I have no problem with. I have no problem challenging the media and reporting.
Why can’t you? Why can’t you as president or a senator or a governor? Of course, you can call people out.
I had no problem with President Obama calling media sources out, as long as he was being consistent and willing to admit that he has these little back-door meetings, special, private, hey, can you guys report on this and not that meetings, with people at the White House. You’re not being honest. You’re not being transparent. As long as you do that and you’re consistent, we can move forward. We can find solutions.
But until you do, yeah, it actually gives me a little bit of pleasure when President Trump beats up on the media. Because finally, somebody calls them out, unlike you.
This is Doc Thompson in for Glenn Beck.