Glenn talked to the always entertaining Pastor Ken Hutcherson on radio today about Riley Cooper and political correctness in general.
Transcript of interview is below:
GLENN: All right. Let me go to Hutch who's in Seattle. He is the pastor of the Antioch Bible Church. Pastor Hutch, how are you, sir?
HUTCHERSON: I'm doing good, Glenn. How are you doing?
GLENN: Very good. Very good. I ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: I'm glad to hear that about Marcus.
GLENN: He is really doing well. It's amazing what this new therapy is able to do for some of these guys.
HUTCHERSON: Yeah, yeah. You know, he was really having problems sleeping and I think that that was one of the major ‑‑ did you hear about the first time we met?
GLENN: You and Marcus?
HUTCHERSON: I'm ‑‑ we were going in to do this fundraiser in the Dakotas and I'm waiting for this brother named Marcus Luttrell. Ain't no white guy named Marcus Luttrell.
HUTCHERSON: And he walks in and I'm going, what? That's Marcus? And we had ‑‑ I mean, we laughed about that the whole weekend, man. I go, a white guy named Marcus Luttrell, come on. Give me a break.
GLENN: So Ken, let me ask you a couple of questions. First of all, Riley Cooper is in trouble.
HUTCHERSON: Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is.
GLENN: And, you know, he was ‑‑ you know, I can't imagine you would know what the locker rooms at the NFL, especially today, how often that word is used.
HUTCHERSON: Oh, my lands, please.
HUTCHERSON: Absolutely. But it's how you use it, bro. I mean, it's how you use it, what reference you use it. Do you say it to one another as friends, as close friends; but when you get angry and derogatory and call names out, I mean, you know, for heaven sakes.
HUTCHERSON: The boy's in trouble. And if his teammates, which I understand one I think a running back has come out now and said that he has totally lost respect for him.
GLENN: Well, I ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: So I think he's in trouble.
GLENN: So let's ‑‑ so let me ask you this, Ken. I don't use that word. I don't like that word. I wouldn't like to hear that word coming from you, but I understand that you've just used it in a ‑‑ in a sermon.
HUTCHERSON: I used it in a sermon now and in Dallas.
GLENN: You used it in a sermon.
GLENN: I'm just very uncomfortable with the word myself, but I just think we have to get over it.
HUTCHERSON: Thank you. Thank you very much. I mean, even when it comes to ‑‑ you know, we're not that ‑‑ we're not that ‑‑ we're not that conservative on black‑on‑black crime as we are blacks using the N‑word towards one another between friends. I don't understand this whole philosophy that we're going to, threatening. I mean, we'll throw someone out of the NFL for using the word, which I don't think he should be kicked out. You know, I think he should really understand what he's done and how he said it and how his teammates are and how they feel. But, you know, guys with black‑on‑black crime gets a better break.
GLENN: How about ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: ‑‑ in using that word.
GLENN: How about Paula Deen who we just chased out of the public square?
HUTCHERSON: I totally admit the best thing about Paula Deen is her hot grease.
GLENN: That's just a whole disturbing sentence there. I mean ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: I mean, the TV network, my girl will be right on there and her contract will be, you'll have to cook me some fried chicken once a week.
GLENN: We're sitting in a country now where we are chasing, like the guy from ESPN who said there is a chink in the armor, and they chased him out.
HUTCHERSON: Come on. It's political correctness, Glenn.
Let me ‑‑ can I throw a question at you?
HUTCHERSON: All right. I really love the way you said "yeah." Guys, did you hear the way Glenn said, "Yeah."
GLENN: Go ahead.
HUTCHERSON: He don't know what's coming, right?
All right. Do you think God discriminates?
GLENN: No, I don't think he discriminates. I think he judges.
HUTCHERSON: Okay. What's the difference between discriminating and judging?
GLENN: Well, we have changed the word.
HUTCHERSON: Thank you.
GLENN: There's discriminating taste.
HUTCHERSON: Thank you very much.
GLENN: Yeah, Discriminating taste.
HUTCHERSON: Discriminating is negative.
HUTCHERSON: You know, I think we are so cautious about what we do. Even our e‑mails discriminate. If you think I'm kidding, don't get that e‑mail correct when you're trying to talk to one another. I ran into that with you.
GLENN: What do you mean?
HUTCHERSON: E‑mails discriminate. Well, I'm sorry, bro, but you got real close. So I think I sent it through anyway. E‑mail don't work that way. God don't work that way. God just says, "Hey, I'm worse than e‑mail. You've got to get it exact for what I say. Close isn't good enough."
GLENN: Oh, I see what you're saying, that we ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: We discriminate.
HUTCHERSON: But we don't want to admit that.
GLENN: Well ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: And I discriminate against other women compared to my wife. I discriminate against different food. I discriminate against different people. I know that's really surprising, but there are some people I don't like.
GLENN: But we are ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: I love them. I don't like them.
GLENN: But we are supposed to, we're supposed to do that.
Pat, this is one of the oldest arguments that Pat and I have had with people and that is we are ‑‑ discriminating tastes used to be a good thing.
GLENN: We are supposed to say I don't want that kind of ‑‑ and I do. Let's go back to the N‑word. I don't want that word used around me. I don't like that word. Now, if you choose to use it, that's fine, but you better have a damn good reason for using it and, you know, in your particular sermon, I looked at it.
GLENN: And I think it was exactly the right word to use coming from you. But I couldn't use that word.
HUTCHERSON: You know, you look at Jesus saying, and calling that woman a dog in Matthew 15. And today we don't understand the derogatory putdown that Jesus said to that woman. It is one of the worst things you could say back in the day. And he says it to a woman. But he got his point over because of the caliber of the decision that she had to make whether she was going to walk away from it or she was going to trust him to the end to get her daughter saved. And today we are so afraid to discriminate to someone that has a greater score to someone in a game. We want everyone to be a winner. Everyone is not a winner!
GLENN: Okay. So let me take you here and see if you can answer this.
GLENN: We were in our morning meeting today and we were talking about Detroit. And Stu, what are the stats on black versus white on bailout with Detroit? Do you have them handy?
STU: I don't have them handy, no.
GLENN: Well, generally speaking, generally speaking whites are against the bailout and blacks are for the bailout.
GLENN: Now, I don't know if that was the same for GM or not, but it is for Detroit.
GLENN: Now, I was against the GM bailout.
HUTCHERSON: Me too.
GLENN: I'm against the Detroit bailout.
HUTCHERSON: Me ‑‑ I'm right with you, right with you.
GLENN: But they are going to make this about race, that we don't care about Detroit because of race. I don't care if it's California. I don't care if it's Scandinavia. We don't bail people out.
So how do we break that cycle? Because you're getting free stuff.
HUTCHERSON: You know how we break that cycle, Glenn? We vote in good people.
GLENN: I tried that.
HUTCHERSON: We've got to vote in people, man, that's not afraid to do what's right instead of being liked. It's the same thing with radio hosts. It's the same thing with pastors. It's the same thing with our Republicans, our Democrats, our, you know, independents. I don't care what it is. We've got to have people that's going to start having guts enough to vote what's right in this state.
GLENN: I have to tell you ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: I'm writing you a letter right now for TheBlaze, what I would do if I was president. It's going to make some people really mad.
GLENN: Are you? You write it; I'll publish it. Ken, here's the problem. The ‑‑ I think that you're at the last stop. You're at, let's vote good people in. I think the people don't even know how to judge good and bad people anymore, and most people ‑‑ I mean, you've got to start at the pulpit, you have to start at the head of the households. Am I a good person? Have I done the right thing? Do I even know the difference between right or wrong? Am I holding myself to a higher standard?
HUTCHERSON: Individual responsibility starts it off, absolutely correct. That's why one of the first things I would do is I would ‑‑ if I was president, brother, I would take the 90‑week ‑‑ listen to me ‑‑ the 90‑week unemployment benefit, I would cut it to six weeks, and you can't get back on.
GLENN: You would not be popular.
HUTCHERSON: Any woman outside of wedlock that has two babies that's not married, as the government I will only help her on the first one. After that ‑‑ you know, anybody can make a mistake, Glenn. We know that. Anyone can make a mistake. I will help her on that first one. But the second, third and fourth and fifth baby that she has outside of wedlock is not a mistake. That's a lifestyle. And I will not support that lifestyle.
GLENN: Yeah, but then you would just increase the number of abortions.
HUTCHERSON: No, sir. Because I am going to get all ‑‑ I'm going to make sure that all that support we're going to Planned Parenthood and all those things, I'm going to get some good legislation going and we're going to quit paying all that money to Planned Parenthood to help people get abortions.
GLENN: Why do you hate black people so much, Ken?
HUTCHERSON: I love black people. I be one, you know.
GLENN: Pastor Ken Hutcherson, good to have you on and we'll see you soon.
HUTCHERSON: My pleasure, what you had
GLENN: Wait, wait, Ken, are you there? Shoot of the I wanted to ask him about the brown bag thing.
HUTCHERSON: What's that?
GLENN: I wanted to ask you about, because you're in Seattle, I wanted to ask you, how offended are you when somebody says we're going to brown bag it today? Because the City of ‑‑
HUTCHERSON: I ask them what's in the bag; can I have some.
GLENN: The City of Seattle says they're going to ‑‑ they're banning the use of the word, the words "brown bag."
HUTCHERSON: Brown bag, come on. You know, there's several of them that TSA can't use out here. Man, we're so liberal out here, I love it because I'm not ever going to run out of people I can deal with. I'm going to always have a job out here in Seattle.
GLENN: Thanks a lot, Ken. Talk to you later.
HUTCHERSON: Thanks, bro.