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'Accept Responsibility,' Find 'Vision': Jordan Peterson Defines a Good Man

Canadian author and psychology professor Jordan Peterson has inspired people around the world with his book “12 Rules for Life: An Antidote for Chaos.” He’s found a special audience in young men who respond to his commonsense structure and encouragement.

On today’s show, Glenn asked Peterson a key question: As men, what should our specific goals be?

Being a good man starts with envisioning a better world while knowing that evil exists and that it’s up to you to take responsibility for your life and the lives you touch. A man should be someone other people can rely on, and he must realize that those burdens are a part of life.

“We all need a vision of the way that life and the world could be,” Peterson said. “The least amount of suffering … the most freedom for everyone and the best for everyone.”

Peterson shared some advice “particularly, but not only, to young men.” He called on men to “accept as much responsibility as they can tolerate and then build themselves into people who can tolerate even more responsibility and to accept that gratefully because that’s where the purpose and meaning in life is.”

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: Dr. Jordan Peterson. Who would have thought that a -- a -- that common sense would come from a university professor from Canada? But he is probably the -- the biggest sensation out there now, with especially -- especially with the youth and young males. Because he is speaking common sense and he's speaking it peacefully. And he's talking about God.

And he's got a best-selling book out. Number one best-seller. Twelve Rules For Life: An Antidote to Chaos.

Welcome to the program, Dr. Jordan Peterson. How are you?

JORDAN: I'm good. Yeah, no. A university profess- --

GLENN: You're breaking up. We had this problem last time.

I don't know where you were standing last time, but can you stand there because you're breaking up and we can't understand you.

JORDAN: Oh, can you hear me?

GLENN: I can hear you now. Yes.

JORDAN: Okay. Good.

Yes. I said, well, Canadian and a university professor, the end times must be near.

GLENN: Yes. It's the clippety-clop of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

I want to talk to you about a few things. Here -- and I don't want to get you into politics, just common sense.

I don't know if you've been following, for instance, the CNN town hall this week and this debate that we're having. But we have 16-year-olds that are demanding that America pretty much disregards the Second Amendment and the -- we're not having sensible arguments at all. There's no reason in -- in the debates that we're having. We're not listening to each other.

Do you have any thoughts on this?

JORDAN: Well, I think that can be -- that's true on a much wider scale than merely the debate about what's going on after Parkland. We're not listening to each other at all. We're polarized to a great degree.

GLENN: So how do we solve this?

JORDAN: Well, you know, I've been recommending -- first of all, let me say that in my book, in 12 Rules For Life, Rule 6, I outlined why such things as the Parkland school shooting occur. And it has very little to do specifically with guns. There's something much deeper and more horrible going on that -- that is rather dreadful to look at. I mean, people who are motivated to do the sorts of things that happened in Parkland, they're possessed by a kind of ill will. An evil ill will, whose magnitude is difficult to describe. And it's a problem of disorientation and meaninglessness. And it's expressing itself in gun violence. But it can express itself in all sorts of ways.

And the problem -- the deeper problem has to be solved, as far as I'm concerned. And that's the problem of nihilism in the face of the tragedy of life. And it's that kind of destructive nihilism that drives the actions of people like the school shooters.

So it's very difficult for us to have an intelligent conversation about that. Because nobody wants to look at the darkness enough to -- to actually understand what motivates people like the shooters. And it's not surprising, you know.

GLENN: But we --

JORDAN: What happens, of course, is that the discussion gets politicized. And it goes down the same rails that it's always gone down. Democrats say their thing. And the Republicans say their thing. And it never really ends up -- the discussion never really ends up being about the school shootings, for example. So...

GLENN: Well, you know, I've been saying all week -- you know, I started the -- the week with a monologue on, you know, nobody even wants to talk about seven out of the nine shooters that were under 30 came from fatherless homes.

JORDAN: Right.

GLENN: We have a breakdown --

JORDAN: Well, there's something there, I would say. Because these -- these men, these young men, they -- they lack purpose and direction. And that's really not a good thing. Because life is very difficult.

As the religious sages have always had it, life is suffering. And you need to set something positive against that suffering, or it corrupts you. And when it corrupts you, you become vengeful and vindictive and murderous and genocidal. Those are the stages. And the school shooters are two-thirds of the way towards genocidal, by the time they perform their actions. And it's because they turn against life because life is so difficult. And they have nothing to set -- nothing positive to set against it. It's a real catastrophe. And the fact that we're transforming ourselves into ideologues, both on the right and the left, is a reflection of the same problem. Is that because people lack genuine engaged meaning in their own personal lives, in large part because they don't understand how necessary it is to take responsibility, they turn to pseudosolutions. And ideology, right or left, is a pseudosolution to the problem of the meaning of life. And it's very dangerous. We saw that in the 21st century, as you pointed out, just before our talk.

GLENN: So how do we find -- how do we find meaning as a group, when -- I mean, especially with young men, there is a concerted effort, at least it seems, to eviscerate men. The new catchphrase is toxic masculinity.

JORDAN: I know. In my book 12 rules for life, which is rule 11, don't bother children when they're skateboarding. You know, it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek feel, but it's a very, very serious chapter. And it's about the confusion between masculine -- (cuts out) -- and masculine -- you know, the problem is --

GLENN: Oh. You know what, we're going to have to take a break. We're going to have take a break and see if we can get you to a better space so we can hear you. You're breaking up again. We got to send you a hard-wired phone. That's what we have to do. We'll come back in just a second.

More with Jordan Peterson.

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GLENN: Just so frustrating when he's on with us. Because there's nobody I want to hear every single word of more than Jordan Peterson.

STU: One of the chapters is "Speak Precisely," and yet we can never hear what he's saying.

GLENN: It's like, "Yeah, and what -- and that -- and that's what really -- what really -- really need to remember."

GLENN: Jordan Peterson joining us now on a land line. Thank you, Jordan. I'm sorry for the hassle on that.

JORDAN: Oh, no. No problem.

GLENN: So. So let's pick the conversation up where we were. Where we left it off. And that's toxic masculinity and -- and how do we find meaning? How do -- how do young men find meaning in their life, when society is -- is tearing them down and saying, you know, you're -- you're bad. You're worthless. You're not needed.

JORDAN: Yeah. Well, it's part of an all-out assault as far as I can tell, in some sense, mostly from the radical left on the idea of competence itself. And there's a confusion between tyranny and power and confidence.

You know, in our society, which is a pretty free society. So let's say Western societies. Most of our hierarchies are mostly predicated on competence, which means that if you can do the job, you tend to rise in the organization.

Now, that's contaminated a little bit with tyranny and power, of course. Because no organization is perfect. And what we have is a claim, essentially from the radical left, that male competence is indistinguishable from male tyranny and power. And so that it should be all torn down. Not the hierarchies, but the spirit that generated the hierarchies. And that's fundamentally the masculine spirit, even symbolically and psychologically speaking.

So what we see is an all-out assault on the masculine spirit. That was actually -- that was actually formalized by Jack HEP. He called western culture HEP fellowgocentric. Fellow from HEP felas. And logo from logos. So it was male-dominated and driven by logos. And, of course, that's the Christian word and also the root -- idea behind the word "logic."

And so it is part of an all-out intellectual -- an all-out war of ideas and the people who are bearing the brunt of that at the moment are I would say young men. Yeah. It's really not good.

GLENN: So what is the -- what is the end goal? Is it -- I mean, is it as clear as it seems to be, that it is the end goal and the -- the -- the motivation is just to destroy the West? Can you -- with you find any logic in there that is -- that is more than that?

JORDAN: Look, if you buy the idea that the West is a corrupt patriarchy, then that's the logical -- that's the logical end goal. I mean, the more radical disciplines at the universities, women's studies and those sorts of disciplines have said for decades that their goal was the destruction of the patriarchy.

It's like, it's very often, you know, that people tell you what they're doing. You just to have listen to them. If you read the school shooter's documents, like the kids from Columbine High School. They told you exactly why they did what they did. If you go onto the websites and read the curricula and the dictates of women's studies, disciplines at universities, they tell you exactly what they're doing. If the West is a corrupt patriarchy, then the right thing to do is tear it down.

So it's not -- it's not a surprise. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's just precisely what -- what -- that's the doctrine. That's the dogma. And the university, especially humanities departments, are overwhelmingly left and radical left. It's actually well-documented by people like Jonathan Haidt, with his hetero HEP dox academy. Jonathan is an extraordinarily reasonable person. He's no one's idea of a radical.

GLENN: Yeah. I greatly respect him.

Who is -- Jordan, who are the people that we should be reading? Besides you and your book, who are the people that inspire you or can inspire men to be -- to be men?

JORDAN: I think that Steven HEP Pinker is doing a fine job. He has a new book out now. It's in the top ten. So Pinker is a good person to read because Pinker is making a very powerful, pro-enlightenment, pro-reason, pro-science, pro-progress case. Well-documented empirically.

I mean, the empirical evidence is pretty clear. Although there is some evidence that inequality is increasing, first of all, no one knows what to do about that, right or left. There's a new book by Walter HEP Shidel called the Great Leveling, which I would also much recommend.

Because he analyzes the problem of inequality with dead seriousness. And traces it back to thousands of years. And points out quite clearly that it's a problem, but that it can't be led at the feet of capitalism. That's just foolish. It's a way deeper problem than that.

But despite the fact that there's increasing inequality, to some degree in the West, overall, the entire world is getting richer. And there are fewer poor people. There are way fewer people in absolute poverty than there were 15 years ago. Far fewer.

And so what's happening is our economic system is generating a lot of surplus. And it's being quite effectively distributed, even to the lowest end of the socioeconomic spectrum. But inequality still remains a problem.

And, you know, that drives a fair bit of theorizing on the left. But I would very much recommend HEP Shidel's book, The Great Leveling. It's very great.

And then there's Pinker. And then, you know, I'm very much a fan of -- of -- of great classic literature.

I'm a great admirer of Dosieski HEP. Dosieski's novels, in particular, are unbelievably profound explanations of the rule of human responsibility in the face of the tragedy and malevolence of existence.

And I have a reading list, that Jordan P. period of time son (?) some of them are psychological in nature. Others are littery. Some are philosophical.

GLENN: Let me take a quick break. (?) and I want to come back. And would you define whether a good man is? What is the goal to be a man? And what does a good man look like? When we come back with Jordan Peterson.

GLENN: Jordan Peterson is with us. He is the author of the number one New York Times best-seller, 12 rules for life. (?) an antidote to chaos. I can't recommend you (?) welcome, Jordan Peterson.

Can you describe what we all should be shooting for as a man?

JORDAN: Yes. Yes.

I was thinking about an image related to that. So there's a cathedral in Montreal called (?) and it's built on a hill. It's a very large cathedral. So it overlooks the hill. It's a beautiful building. And there are many, many, many steps leading up to it. Hundreds of steps. And pilgrims come there to trudge up the steps one at a time towards the cathedral. And there's something deeply symbolic about that. The idea that's being expressed is -- is profound and necessary. And that is that we all need a vision of the way that life and the world could be. We want to have a vision that that could be as good as it could be. The least amount of suffering and the most for everyone. And the most freedom for everyone. And the best for everyone.

And the question is, how do you approach an idea like that? And the answer to that is by carrying your burden one step at a time, up the hill.

And that's what you do in life. You're not a victim. Or if you are, you carry it. You know, and you take responsibility for it. And you're someone other people can rely on. You tell the truth. And that way, you make the world a little better instead of worse.

And that's the alternative to ideological possession and collective action and group hatred and tribalism and all those things that tear us apart. Is to accept that your life is tragic and that you'll suffer. And that there's evil in the world. And that it's your -- it's your responsibility to take that onto yourself and to carry it forward towards the good. That's meaning in life. And that's the antidote to chaos and to catastrophe. And the West knows this. This is why -- this is why we're an individualist culture. Because we know that the individual has to be set above the group. It's not the individual in all his rights, it's the individual in all his responsibility.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JORDAN: And that's the part of the dialogue that's missing from our culture currently. And I believe that's why my book has become so popular and the lectures as well. Because -- because I'm telling people, suggesting to people, and particularly -- but not only to young men. That they need to accept as much responsibility as they can tolerate. And then build themselves into people who can tolerate even more responsibility. And to be -- and to accept that gratefully. Because that's where the purpose and meaning in life is.

GLENN: Jordan, I -- I have -- I've gone from a man, you know -- for a while, I rejected that I had changed a great deal in the last couple of years. But I have. And I've gone from a guy that was very popular because I was certain of things, to a guy who now really appreciates doubt and is -- and I kind of view certitude as a -- as a dangerous thing. Because if I'm certain of what I believe, then I don't necessarily believe, you know, anybody else has -- has anything to teach me or --

JORDAN: Right.

GLENN: And yet, I find -- I think this is the message of Christ is humility. And yet, people --

JORDAN: Well, the humility -- if things aren't everything they should be for or around you, then clearly you don't know enough.

GLENN: Correct.

JORDAN: So then you better be looking for what you don't know, and that's the opposite of certainty.

GLENN: We are in a situation now that we -- it almost feels like we don't trust that the truth will eventually win, that God is on the side of truth. And so we have to engage in this warfare. And -- and we're engaging online. We're engaging in tribalism.

And the -- the answer seems to be in the opposite direction, of --

JORDAN: Yeah, well, we're trying to transform the political system into a tribal battlefield. That's what identity politics is. And that can be accepted on the right as well. The identity Arizona. (?) they just want to play it differently. It's division into tribes. And it's a catastrophe.

Division into tribes means that we'll fight. It's always been that way. Human tribes have always fought, and terribly. You know, there's an old idea that the hunter gatherer types, the pre-- the prematerialist. (?) hunter gatherers were peaceful. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

GLENN: Yeah.

JORDAN: They have incredibly high (?) tribal people are unbelievably murderous. And we're all tribal, except when we decide not to be. And to decide not to be tribal is to decide to be an individual. But that means to take all the weight, the things onto your shoulders. And who wants that? Right? It's a terrible responsibility. But the paradoxical truth of the matter is that the more you take on that terrible responsibility, the deeper your life becomes. And that justifies the suffering.

GLENN: But the more you take on, the bigger target -- I want to read -- I want to read this to you. This is an article out of the Mercury News in California. These men, particular Elon Musk, are not only (?) who can get their rocket into space first. But into colonizing Mars. To have unquestioned (?) unchallenged and automatic access to something, to any type of body, and use it as will is a patriarchal one. It is the same instinctively and culture (?) that everything and everyone in their line of vision is theirs for the taking.

They're destroying a guy --

JORDAN: Yep.

GLENN: -- like Elon Musk. (?) and I believe we can be better than this. And this gives me hope. Let's go here.

JORDAN: Right. Absolutely.

See, that's a great -- that's -- your reference hits the nail at the head. You see there, the confusion between male competence and desire to -- to move forward in the world. And tyranny. Those aren't the same thing.

They're not the same thing at all. And Musk is no tyrant. If you can't see that he's a hero, then there's something wrong with your vision.

And symbolically, the author of that article is equating Mars with the unspoiled virgin. You know, and Musk was the rapist.

It's an appalling vision of masculinity. There's no excuse for it. There's no excuse for it. It's all -- there's nothing in that, except destruction. Good men do things for themselves and for everyone else at the same time. That's the right balance. You want to do something that's good for you and good for your family and good for the community and good for the surrounding world, all at the same time. And you can do that, and that takes competence and clear vision and truth. And those aren't -- that's not tyranny. And those people, the people who wrote the article that you described, they're the people that think that emasculated weak men will be good, because they're harmless. And emasculated weak men will be the Parkland shooter. (?) that's the truth of the matter.

GLENN: When do we begin to see this for what -- let me ask you this question: Are we closer to the end of this kind of thinking and movement, or are we closer to the end of the beginning of it?

JORDAN: I don't know. There's been this funny idea. It's been circulating on the internet, about the kingdom (?) where everything is in chaos. And we're in chaos at the moment. Things could go very well. But they could go very badly. And I think we're in a situation now, where the decisions that each person makes, at each moment, are of crucial import, in a way that's not always true.

We're going to decide which way we're going to go, in the next three or four years. And there's lots of positive signs. All the economic growth, for example, that I referred to, that the fact that poverty is being pushed back. And it's about 300,000 people a day. (?) the power grid. And there are a lot of really good things happening.

But there is this terrible polarization and this demand to return to a destructive tribalism. And this ideological attempt led mostly by the universities, to my utter shame, to demolish the patriarchy. It's very, very dangerous. And corporations are playing that game too. They're letting the fifth column diversity equity and inexclusivety types in through the HR back door, (?) failing to see that generating an anti-capitalism fifth column within the confines of your own organization is self-destructive in the extreme.

GLENN: How do you -- I've watched interviews with you in mainstream media. And they always come with -- with an intent. With an agenda. It seems.

You approach these interviews without an agenda. And you're just trying to explain what you believe, based on their questions. And you always seem to win because you don't seem to have an agenda, truth doesn't have an agenda.

Would you say that --

JORDAN: I have an agenda, which is to not say something stupid.

GLENN: Yes. Yes. Yes.

Do you believe the mainstream media has crossed the line from bias to activism? And if so, what does that mean for the media?

JORDAN: Well, I think one of the things that might be happening is that we're in a transition period from the mainstream media, print and television, let's say most particularly, to online forms of discussion. And that's happening very rapidly.

And so it's killing the mainstream media. And as they spiral towards their death, they become more polarized to draw attention to their remaining resources. And so they're driving polarization in the broader society, in an attempt to stave off their extinction, rather than adapting to the new media. That's what -- I'm not sure that's true. But that's what it looks like. It looks like it might be happening to me. Because we are in the midst of a technological revolution in communication.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

JORDAN: I mean, YouTube alone has something in the neighborhood of 2 billion people using it.

GLENN: Yeah.

JORDAN: So it's -- and YouTube allows the possibility of the spoken word to have the same distribution as the written word, which is something unparalleled in human history.

So I think that part of what's happening is a secondary consequence of a technological revolution. I don't think that the mainstream media's desperate attempts to use click bait, let's say, to attract additional viewership, to exaggerate, for example, the danger of violent crime and to pit the right against the left in a manor that's more combative (?) than the reality would indicate. I don't think that that will stave off their demise. I think it will accelerate. But there could be a lot of collateral damage, while that's occurring.

GLENN: Jordan Peterson, from Jordan Peterson.com. Also, (?) the book 12 rules for life. An antidote to chaos. Did you ever -- you have -- you're approaching a million YouTube subscribers. Number one New York Times best-seller. Did you ever see this --

JORDAN: I don't think I'm on the New York Times. They didn't list me.

GLENN: Shut up.

JORDAN: No, it's true.

GLENN: Well, you're number one.

JORDAN: Yes, I'm number one everywhere, but not on the New York Times best (?)

GLENN: Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

JORDAN: It is rather remarkable.

GLENN: Jordan, did you ever -- did you ever see anything like this coming your way?

JORDAN: Well, I knew when I wrote this first book, this book maps Of Meaning. (?) and their relationship to ideological dispute. And I knew that was important. And I knew that my students, in the course I taught in that book, were very, very receptive to the book. (?) both at Harvard and at university of Toronto, was that one of the few courses that completely changed of student's lives. And it's not surprising to me to some degree because it's the idea of themselves. Ancient archetypal religious ideas are of absolute necessity. People can't live without them.

And so I knew that I was talking about things that have always been of crucial importance to people. But there was no way of foreseeing the magnitude of -- of the effect of that.

I mean, it's -- I'm still in complete shock about it, on a moment to moment basis. It seems to be getting larger rather than smaller.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. You have a lot of (?) runway yet ahead of you. I pray for you. And I -- I know what it's like to have great success come quickly. And if there is anyone who can navigate those waters, I believe it is you. And we wish you all the best.

JORDAN: Well, thank you. Thank you. Well, like I said, I hope I can manage this without making any catastrophic mistakes. And so, so far so good, knock on wood and all that.

GLENN: Thank you so much. Jordan Peterson.

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STU: You can get Jordan on Twitter at Jordan B. Petersen. (?), by the way, that reading list he mentioned earlier in the interview, you can find that there. And I would say probably at the top of that reading list would be 12 rules for life, antidote to chaos, by Jordan spirit son.

GLENN: (?), you know, it's amazing, I don't think I've ever interviewed a more careful man. One of his rules is speak with precisely. (?) and you can hear it. He speaks slowly, to not make any errors.

Are Attacks Against Free Speech Meant to Protect a New "Religion"?
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Are Attacks Against Free Speech Meant to Protect a New "Religion"?

An op-ed titled “The First Amendment Is Out of Control” was recently published in the New York Times. In it, law professor Tim Wu argues that free speech arguments – especially for online speech – are now used to protect corporate interests and harm everyday citizens. While Glenn admits that he makes a persuasive argument, he lays out another take on what free speech STILL means: “You can speak your mind without fear of censorship or persecution.” Is that the version of free speech that our government and media are currently standing up for? Or are they instead trying to censor anyone who speaks out against their new “religion”?

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GLENN: You know, I talked to you a little bit about the story in the New York Times yesterday. The First Amendment is out of control.

Tomorrow is Independence Day. And we should all review what freedom of speech is really meant for, and what it is. Now, it was written by a guy named would. He's a law professor at Columbia. (?) and he writes about tech and everything else.

And he says, First Amendment was a tool that helped the underdog. But sometime in this century, the judiciary lost the plot. Judges have transmuted a constitutional provision meant to protect the unpopular opinion, into an all-purpose tool of legislative nullification, that now mostly protects corporate interests. So he's making the case, that we've turned it upside down.

And I have to tell you, he makes a persuasive case here.

But he is wrong in the end. Let me just skip to this.

He's talking about regulation of the internet. Such regulation is not always perfect to be sure. But it represents a legitimate tool which democratic governments can stand up to private power. The next phase (?) the regulation of artificial intelligence.

I fear the First Amendment will be extended to the -- to protect machine speech. At considerable human cost. I 100 percent agree with that.

It's something I have been warning about, for about three decades. In our era, the power of private actors has grown to rival that of nation states.

True again. Most powerful are the big tech platforms. True again.

Which in their cocoon-liken compassing of humanity has grown to (?) in ways that would make totalitarian states jealous.

Correct again. In a democracy, no. Republic. The people ought to have a right to react and control such private power. As long as it does not trample on the rights of the individual.

Again, correct!

But thanks to the Supreme Court, the First Amendment has become a barrier to the government's ability to do that.

Free speech rights have been hijacked to suppress the sovereignty of humans. In favor of the power and companies. And machines.

Okay.

So wait.

But, no. There's a the difference between individuals, and the government.

And regulations, and suggestions. You want to regulate. Okay. Regulate.

And let's have that not going G through the administrative state.

Let's have that go (?) through Congress.

Let's have that debate. A serious debate about it.

We can do that. And I think the -- the right of the individual, is what will win in that. If we don't have some closed door, you know, Google writing the bill. But actual debate, the way Congress is supposed to work.

Then I think, free speech will win. Because it's a strong argument. For the people. But what the Supreme Court was talking about, was, well, now, wait a minute.

I think the government, you know -- maybe -- maybe we send it down to the lower court. And have them reexamine this.

Because should the government be able to just say, hey.

You really need to -- you need to silence these people P

No. The government (?) should never have that power. Ever. Ever. Ever.

Freedom of speech is the cornerstone. It is why it is the first amendment.

Freedom of speech. Freedom of the press.

The way that the people can stand up against the government.

They can stand up against the government. They can question our government.

They can demand answers from our government. They have a press that should be completely separate from the government. To stand guard, against the government.

Remember, this whole document was made to stop a government from becoming tyrannical.

So if you're afraid of, you know, Trump or Biden becoming a tyrant, your answer, the only answer should be, return to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

The freedom of speech thing, is so important. Again, it was the first.

But what it means is, you can speak your mind, without fear of censorship or persecution.

Now, that doesn't make you popular.

But it does mean that the government and those powerful institutions can do nothing against you, to stop you.

Would you like it if a church all of a sudden was in charge, and said

You can't say these things?

I mean, how many people on the left believe in burning the flag?

You have a right to do that.

Okay.

So why did the kid -- oh, gosh. Where was it? Never

In Oregon. The kid that burned rubber on the pride flag that was painted on the road.

He was just charged with a felony!

A felony!

What is that? Other than, a religion?

Or a government saying, this is what we stand for, and you will not tarnish it!

Excuse me?

I don't want that happening through a church. I don't want that happening through the government.

I don't -- I would like people to self-regulate. But things like peeling out on the pride flag. That happens sometimes, not because of homophobia. Sometimes it is homophobia.

Other times, it is just -- you know what, I'm a rebel. You are telling me, and jamming this down my throat.

No!

And it's their only way for freedom of speech. That's the case that is made for burning down the flag.

Why is it different on the pride flag?

See, we have a -- if we didn't have freedom of speech. We wouldn't understand anything.

Because the things that were said at some point or another, that have made progress, and pushed us into new areas. Have always seemed crazy. Or dangerous.

But they move us forward. Well, I'm not talking about speech that moves us forward, makes progress. I mean the speech that's dangerous.

Oh, really? Because that's what every authoritarian and theocratic (?) dictator always says. The problem is: Who is in charge of judging what's dangerous and not?

The church? The government? Academia? Some other group or organization that would have the power to silence people?

Remember, the only speech that needs protecting is the speech that either the majority doesn't like, or power doesn't like.

You know, the world was flat for a very long time.

And for centuries, that was the accepted view.

And challenging it seemed like (?) and later during the age of exploration.

Ferdinand Magellan. And Christopher Columbus. Dared to propose or demonstrate otherwise.

It was their courage to speak out and explore beyond the known boundaries. That led to an understanding of what the earth really was.

Now, the power didn't want it.

The church didn't want that.

The church would prosecute and persecute anybody.

You know how they got King Ferdinand to do it?

Gold.

I'm telling you, there's lots of gold. What happens if he's wrong. He falls off the edge of the earth. Big deal.

The idea that the sun revolves around the earth. Or is it the earth revolves around the sun. That faced significant resistance.

Copernicus and Galileo.

Pioneers, revolutionary idea, went against the power of the time.

In 1633, the Catholic Church, which was the power, tried Galileo, during the inquisition. And forced to -- forced him to recant under threat of torture.

Okay. Who is deciding what free speech is good? What's progress? What's not?

It's easy to see them in reverse. You know what Socrates was killed for? He was killed bit government. He went through a fair trial.

(?) you know what he was killed for? Because he was corrupting the youth of Athens.

Because he encouraged questioning the established norms and beliefs.

Anybody who ever says, don't -- you can't question that. Don't question that.

You should run from. Socrates was corrupting the youth, because he said, question everything. Jeer Don zero Bruno, I think was his name. (?) he's the guy who said there's infinite suns and innet worlds. He was burned at the stake, in the inquisition of 1600.

Martin Luther, as well as Martin Luther King. How about Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla? The war of currents. This was all about power, literally, and figuratively.

Power and money.

Here's Thomas Edison, who is using the system, to stifle invasion.

Edison wants (?) direct current. Because he was losing that battle, because it didn't make sense and it wasn't working.

He had to discredit Tesla.

And he did it through smear campaigns. And propaganda.

He had public demonstrations where he got this sick doctor to go, and electrocute animals, using Tesla's alternating current.

He would take down horses, dogs, whatever you have. (?) Tesla wants to put in your house.

Thank God we weren't afraid of the scare tactics. Because that's what we all have in our house today.

Or at least we will for a while, until they believe up with something even better. That you're not allowed to question.

If you can't challenge prevailing wisdom, if you can't propose a new idea, if you can't say, wait a minute. This doesn't make any sense, everything stops.

Progress depends on the free exchange of ideas. And if you get rid of your opposition, life falls apart. Even the Bible says, opposition in all things. You have to have the metal and the flint. It's when they rub together, when they strike against each other, that's when a spark is made. And that's when things change.

This is what we're arguing about right now. It should show you the health of America.

I mean, when you have a cold, the doctor might talk to you about, okay. I want you to take this, and this, and this. And just get some bed rest.

But when you have a cold, and you have cancer, the doctor is not talking about the cold. Okay?

He's talking about cancer.

Our cancer is so deep, we're down to the fundamentals. We're down to. Okay.

You can't lose freedom of speech.

You can't lose your -- your protection against your own civil rights. We're down to the big ones.

That's how sick this body is.

Meanwhile, they want you to yell and scream about Biden or Trump.

Or whatever. It's the fundamental rights, that are first expressed in our Declaration of Independence.

Something that was signed and agreed upon on July 2nd. Finally announced to the American people, on July 4th.

That we should be concentrating on.

I urge you, this Independence Day, tomorrow, and I know your family will roll their eyes and go, Dad. Please. At least mine do all the time.

Dad, please.

Read the Declaration of Independence. Tomorrow.

Read it. Understand it. Work through it with your kids.

Work through it with yourself. It's still alive today.

Is THIS Why Hunter Biden is Joining White House Meetings With Joe Biden?
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Is THIS Why Hunter Biden is Joining White House Meetings With Joe Biden?

Hunter Biden has reportedly started to join White House meetings with his father, Joe Biden. But what expertise does he provide? Could it perhaps be an expertise in a white powder that would keep his aging father awake during those meetings? Glenn and Stu speculate. Plus, they discuss how some in the media and Democratic Party are insisting that the President is fine: Deny what you see! And is Kamala Harris going to make a move to become the Democrats' presidential nominee?

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STU: Because I will say this, I don't want this man to step down. I want him to be the nominee.

I want Joe Biden to be the nominee for the democratic party. And it's wrong to have him have to step down.

He's the right man for this race.

He needs to stay in it.

GLENN: Yes. I -- much to my own eternal shame, when I do put politics ahead of everything else, I agree 100 percent.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: With you. Because it's not really going to get better with Kamala Harris.

STU: Oh, no.

GLENN: Imagine her, answering the phone at 3:00 a.m. No.

STU: Good God.

I will say, and I think she did that in her previous jobs when she was working for mayor in Los Angeles. I think if you kind of go to the real future of the country, my initial reaction was similar to yours. And I've sort of evolved, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

STU: Which is, I'm really terrified for the next six months of Joe Biden being president. Should he step down immediately, for the good of the country?

Of course he should. However, if he does so, it's more likely, we have four years and six months of a president who is putting our country in danger. One that might be Mora wake. Might be more coherent in speeches.

But is also very, very damaging to the future of our country.

And so I'm kind of at that point now. However, you get these people out of office.

For the next four and a half years. Or four years. Is almost more important that happen what happened in the next six months, fingers crossed.

GLENN: Well, I have to just point out.

We have a puppet president. And we've told you. We've asked you, over and over again.

Who is actually running the country.

Well, it's a conspiracy theory. Because Joe Biden is so healthy.

He doesn't even need Viagra. He's having sex all the time. He's just so alert. And -- no, he's not.

STU: He even said something to that effect, didn't he?

He even sort of referred to that idea, that it was like his sex life was super active still.

GLENN: Yeah. Uh-uh.

STU: To show his virility. Not sure how that's going on the last few days. But good luck, Joe.

GLENN: Yeah. There has to be somebody that can put him on the back of a horse with his shirt off just to show his virility, like Putin did.

But, you know, he's -- he's not running the country. And that's the reason why Kamala Harris was selected.

Because she can't run the country either.

And we know this now. You notice the administration hasn't missed a beat. They just keep going. They're doing what they're doing. He doesn't know. He's not making the decisions. The question is: Who is? Who is?

If the president of the United States is having CPCs. (?) starting. Waked up at 11 o'clock in the morning.

Having a meeting, and now and then going to bed at 4:00, who is running the country?

My gosh!

STU: Yeah. And, Glenn, you should point out, those preparations which took place over six days for the debate. Never started before 11:00 a.m. And Mr. Biden was given a time for an afternoon nap, each day. This is according to the New York Times.

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

STU: The only example they could come up with, had they were pressed with examples where he was really, really on top of things. Was him screwing over Israel. Which is when they were in the middle of all these missiles being fired at them.

He was on his game telling Netanyahu, no, you're not allowed to fire back. That's the only thing they could come up with.

Of course we had no evidence that was true. But the fact that he was inspired to be awake by screwing Jews over isn't necessarily something that gives me more confidence.

GLENN: You know, Jake -- did you hear Jake Tapper yesterday?

Jake Tapper accused the Democratic Party of engaging in Orwellian tactics. The opening of the show, Tapper called out the Democratic Party for engaging in a discernable pattern of lying to the public.

He argued party officials want Americans to not believe what you saw and what you heard with your eyes. And your own ears last Thursday night.

He said, quote, the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

It was their final, most essential command, end quote.

You know where that comes from? George Orwell's 1984.

And that is true. But it's not just on this. America needs to wake up. It's not just on this. Listen to this story from space.com. Boeing star liner capsule is performing well, on its first ever naught mission. In fact, it will likely be able to stay in orbit beyond the initially envisioned 45-day limit. Now, wait a minute. Now, wait a minute. It's performing so well, that it's going to stay up there! You know, for a while. Maybe up there for a long while. And we might leave it up there. And then we will return those astronauts home on some other vehicle. That is not as good as the Boeing star liner. The star liner. They still haven't figured out what why the jets weren't working. Why the -- you know, the positioning jets around the side -- like 28 of them, just didn't work. They can't figure out why. Plus, it was leaking helium.

I don't know if they were having birthday parties up there. Why they had helium. But it was leaking helium. And now they're trying to convince us. No, no, no, no.

It is so good, it can stay longer than the 45 days. Yeah. That's right. Probably because the astronauts are like, I'm not getting into that Tet trap. I'm not getting back into that thing.

But deny what you know. Deny what your eyes tell you. Deny what your ears tell you. Deny what you know. That is the problem now, Biden said, he fell asleep on the stage. He fell asleep -- when did you fall asleep on the stage? And so now they're going to fix it. Because, yesterday, apparently hunter Biden is joining Joe Biden for all of his meetings now.

Hunter Biden.

STU: The crack addict.

GLENN: Well, I mean -- the only explanation for that is, yeah. Hey, Dad, do you need a bump? I can -- do you need to wake up? Yeah, I have something here for you. That's the only explanation. The people in the meetings are saying, we're confused. We didn't have any idea why Hunter Biden is now in the meetings and taking notes and discussing things, mand like taking the lead for dad.

What are you -- we -- what!

STU: I don't think -- look, there's a lot on the line here. And I don't know that I would recommend this course of action.

But he has this interview coming up with Stephanopoulos.

Do you consider a bump before it?

Do you just -- do you give it a whirl?

We know regular Joe Biden doesn't work. What if, you know. I mean, what -- what could possibly go wrong?

I don't think it could be worse than Thursday night!

I think maybe, you give the guy, a little bit of juice, and see what happens.

I mean, you know.

It might be a fun -- a fun story.

GLENN: An unnamed source from the White House said, Hunter Biden popped in to a couple of meetings.

And phone calls with the president. That he had with some of his advisers. Another person familiar with the matter said, the reaction from some senior White House staff members. Has been -- what the hell is happening?

Yes. Now you know what the hell the rest of us feel. What the hell is happening?

Hunter came back with the president from the family weekend at Camp David and went with the president straight into a speech prep. Hunter's presence in and around his father's meeting comes amid questions about whether Joe Biden should continue his election campaign.

Good Lord. Oh, yeah.

What is happening?

25 House Democrats are preparing to ask Biden to withdraw now.

STU: Jeez. Can't let the -- you have to stop this bleeding, somehow. If you're Biden.

If you have to figure out a way to shut these people up.

Get them through the next couple of weeks.

Get them through the Friday interview.

Let them see how good it will be. Delay. Delay. Delay. If you're Biden right now.

I don't know how you can do it. The momentum makes it impossible. He's toast.

GLENN: He's toast.

If he fails this Friday, George Stephanopoulos interview, if he screws up at all, if he zones out. If he can't express himself. If he doesn't look vital and invigorated, he's done. He's done.

STU: And we're going to learn so much about this. Because, I mean, you look -- the New York Times is all in, on him being gone.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

STU: Every single story, is not only like, all these people are saying, behind the scenes, he's terrible. He can't speak.

He can't get through meetings. He's another anecdote. Here's another unnamed official.

And then over and over and over again, and then how can he be replaced? How would this work? Every story is about this, Glenn. And I've never seen any story like it.

Because we all know what the New York Times can do. And normally does in this situation. Lie. They don't report these anecdotes.

They don't tell you what these people are saying behind the scenes. They form the opinion, they want you to have. And that is what they're doing again here. And Stephanopoulos' approach in this interview will be fascinating to watch.

Because obviously, he can help take him out. If he presses him. If he goes after him. If he really makes this uncomfortable as possible. He could end the campaign.

Or will he do the old school thing, which they've been doing for as long as I've known every Democratic media member, and just soft-pedal it.

When he has a bad moment, step in. Cut him off. Help him. What do you think happens?

GLENN: The press is being used by somebody. I don't know who is in charge of anything anymore.

But the press now is spreading the narrative. That it's over.

He's got to go.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: He's got to go. So we'll see, does the press get their way? And when did they decide?

You know, they decided that he was fine, up until last Thursday. And then all of us were liars and, you know, misinforming. And using disinformation.

And Russia, Russia, Russia.

To -- to mislead, the nation. In thinking he was incompetent.

Then he went from -- he's Superman to, good heavens, we have to get him out of there.

Overnight.

And now they're rushing and saying, he's got to go. He's got to go. I would like to know what the plan is.

I mean, we're talking about all of our future here.

What is your plan? You know, they -- they -- they're now talking about maybe we do a mini primary.

And we kind of do it like speed dating.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: What?

It's not speed date for the leader of the free world! Speed date.

STU: It's interesting. It does to me, feel like the Kamala thing is the most likely thing. I mean, there's a lot of intricate, logistical reasons for that, mostly revolving around money. That make that so. But still, it's like. If they try to go down this road, and turn this into some big spectacle. I don't think that's necessarily going to help them. And you see a lot of people who are leaking against Biden are saying wonderful things about Kamala. Now, some may speculate. As we have said, since the very beginning. There's no way, this four-year presidency ends without Kamala Harris taking a shot.

At winning this. She is the most ambitious, selfish person in Washington, DC. And she, I guarantee right now, her people are all leaking against Biden to make this thing happen.

GLENN: Of course they are. Of course they are. And you know what is weird? Is so far, there is not a big push for her. Only Clyburn. Only Clyburn is really jumping on the Kamala train.

STU: Which is huge.

GLENN: Everyone else is kind of quiet about it.

Yeah. That's enormous. He's the guy who got Biden to pick her.

STU: And he's the guy who got Biden elected. Remember, Biden was losing in South Carolina. That endorsement is what turned around the primary in 2020.

So that is a -- a huge part of this.

So let me ask you this, Glenn. Maybe you can answer this after the break.

You are going on vacation, next week.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: When you come back, is Joe Biden the democratic nominee?

GLENN: Okay. If he holds his own on Friday's George Stephanopoulos. If he's okay and he doesn't make any critical errors. And he doesn't look bad, he's still the nominee.

STU: Hmm. That's a big question though.

GLENN: I know.

If he does poorly, it's over.

STU: This interview, you think is the entire ball game. At least for the moment?

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they might turn to, you know, Dr. Hunter.

Seriously.

I mean, if you have -- if you have this, and you're Joe Biden, I mean, you don't try a little cocaine? It's the end. It's the end. It's the end.

STU: I like this. It's possible he might just try -- look, they've already found it in the White House. I don't know why everyone understood (?) was more of a crack guy. It's a different form of what they found in the White House.

Maybe Joe has taken the other path. I don't know. But I think you're right though.

This is -- this was his attempt to say, let me put something on the board.

You're going to see me in real time. You're going to see how I perform. And judge me by that.

There are 100 reports today, that I read this morning, Glenn. From insider tip sheets. And all these other things, of people saying Friday is too late.

It's Wednesday!

They're saying Friday is too late.

GLENN: And you have a holiday. And tomorrow is a holiday.

STU: When was he supposed to do the interview?

I guess he could do it on Tuesday.

They're saying, yesterday. Yeah. We know the Stephanopoulos thing is coming. That's too late.

This is how committed they are to this.

GLENN: Yeah. And I am -- you know, I just don't -- I mean, I'm on with peers Morgan today. And I know he's going to argue (?) with me on Ukraine like, oh, gosh. Shut up, man.

You know, and he's going to call me a Putin apologist and everything else.

Because if you disagree with him on Ukraine. You're a Putin apologist.

And I was thinking about my approach with this. And I think I'm just going to say, first of all.

You know, we're never going to agree. So why are you doing this?

Why?

But the second thing is, peers, you've never understood America. Never (?) you conflate American conservatives, with, you know, the far right, in France. And they're completely different.

And what you don't understand, America has fundamentally changed. Conservatives have fundamentally changed.

We don't trust the government. And this time we have a list of things to show us. No.

I don't -- I don't trust the government. So when it comes to Ukraine. It comes to who is president. Who is running the country.

I have no idea.

I have no idea.

And all possibilities are out on the table. Because we're seeing things that we have never seen before. I would just say, it's time for people to take responsibility of their open actions and their own life, right now. Because I don't trust anyone, in power.

Glenn CAN'T TAKE Biden's Hypocrisy After the Supreme Court's Trump Immunity Ruling
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Glenn CAN'T TAKE Biden's Hypocrisy After the Supreme Court's Trump Immunity Ruling

President Biden spoke after the Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity ... and Glenn couldn't believe what he heard. Biden slammed the Court's ruling, which granted former president Donald Trump absolute immunity for presidential actions and presumptive immunity for "official" actions. Biden followed the lead of dissenting Justice Sonya Sotomayor, claiming that the Court basically allowed the president to do anything, including go after his opponents ... Wait? Like Biden is doing right now?! Glenn reviews Biden's speech line by line and highlights all the hypocrisy within it.

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GLENN: Well, I just don't know what to say. I watched the president's speech last night. And everybody coming out and saying, he could go after us. He could shut us down. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled. Donald Trump, if he's elected, he will come in and he will start putting people in jail.

Huh. I want you to remember that here in just a second. We will get back to it.

Here's what the president had to say last night, at a press conference.

It's cut nine.
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BIDEN: The presidency is the most powerful office in the world. It's an office that not only tests your judgment. Perhaps even more importantly, it's an office that could test your character.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BIDEN: Because you not only need moments where you need courage for the full power of the presidency. You also face moments where you need the wisdom to respect the limits of the power of the presidency.

GLENN: Yes. Stop there for a second. So, Stu, what would some of those limits be?

Because it's an awesome responsibility, to be president of the United States. But you can't just do anything. Right?

Like, what would some of the limits be. You couldn't just go out and kill people, right?

STU: I don't know. That's not what I have been hearing, Glenn. Over the past 24 hours.

GLENN: Really. Wow?

STU: My understanding is the Supreme Court gave James Bond license to kill, to the president of the United States.

GLENN: No. No. No, I don't think that's true. But we'll continue to listen.

STU: Yeah. Immune. Immune. Immune.

GLENN: I didn't hear the whole speech. So we'll go on.

I was thinking something smaller, like -- like maybe you say, hey, you have student loans.

I can't help you with those. That would be the -- the constitutional thing. But the president couldn't just say, I'm going to just forgive all student loans.

STU: Yeah. Yeah. That -- you're thinking of the old-timey America.

There was a version of America, where the -- you know, the head of the executive branch couldn't just spend $500 billion on a whim, without Congress.

But those days are long gone, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay. But it would go to the Supreme Court. If it was wrong, it would go to the Supreme Court. And they would tell a president to stop it. And he would.

STU: No. He would just do it again.

GLENN: Oh, it went to the Supreme Court.

STU: Yeah. They shot it down.

GLENN: Awesome.

STU: So he just did it again.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: And then in a slightly different way. Like 1 percent different.

And then sends it through the courts again.

And, again, it will get rejected again.

Then he'll just do it again.

GLENN: Right. So that's weird. It's an awesome power. And, you know, it shows character. You know, when you restrain yourself from doing those things that you can't do. Anyway, I digress.

BIDEN: Respect the limits of the power of the office of the presidency.

Legislation was founded on the principles. There are no kings in America. Each. Each of us is equal before the law.

No one, no one is above the law.

GLENN: Okay. Stop for a second. Stop for just a second here.

Stu, are we all equal under the law here?

I mean, is that true?

STU: It doesn't seem true. Uh-huh.

GLENN: Like, for instance, if you were held in contempt of Congress.

Right? You would go to jail. Right?

Like Steve Bannon just went to jail yesterday.

STU: Sure. Another Trump adviser who said, no. I can't share that. That's executive privilege.

They sent him to jail.

STU: Navarro. But it's all equal, right?

I mean, let's say, somebody was -- yeah. Not releasing tapes of testimony.

And they say, well, that was executive privilege.

And they were in contempt of Congress. They go to jail as well, right?

STU: No.

I mean, I don't know what you're talking about specifically. But what you just described does not sound at all like something you would go to jail for.

GLENN: Okay. Well, let's say you were the head of the DOJ. And Congress said, you have to produce this information, and then you didn't.

STU: Right. Totally fine.

GLENN: You would be in contempt of Congress.

No, no, no. You don't go to jail?

STU: That doesn't seem like a jailable offense at all.

It's like, I can see where you're getting confused here.

Like, for example, if you were to -- like, riot at a federal building.

Right? That's something you would go to jail for. It's wrong!

You don't do those things.

GLENN: Right. Right. The darkest day.

STU: Yeah, and then there's another separate scenario, where let's say you were to riot, at a federal building. You don't go to jail for that.

GLENN: Oh, wait. Was it just a federal building?

STU: If you're rioting at a federal building, you're going to jail.

If you're simply rioting at a federal building, you don't go to jail.

GLENN: So is it kind of like -- it's a very subtle difference, it's kind of like, when you're praying in front of an abortion clinic. You would go to jail.

STU: Jail.

GLENN: And but if you burn down an abortion clinic. You don't go to jail.

STU: Depends on -- are you burning it down, because they're not doing enough abortions? If you're burning it down because they're frequently aborting enough kids, then yes. You cannot go to jail. But if you burn it down because you think they're doing too many abortions. Then obviously, you go to jail.

GLENN: Okay. So if you burn down an abortion clinic, you would go to jail, if you disagreed with them. But if you burned down the people's business, where they were pro-life, I also go to jail.

STU: Well, they're pro-life? The owners of the business. Yeah. No. You would not go to jail for that.

Why would you go to jail for that? That's stupid.

GLENN: Okay. I want to understand, that I understand equal justice under the law.

I think we have it. Go ahead with President Biden.

BIDEN: Not even the president of the United States. Today, the Supreme Court decision. On presidential immunity.

That fundamentally changed. For all. For all practical purchases.

Today's decision almost certainly means that that there are no limits to what a president can do. It's a fundamentally new principle. It's a dangerous precedent.

GLENN: Yeah, dangerous.

BIDEN: Because the power of the office, will no longer be constrained by the law. Even the Supreme Court of the United States.

GLENN: Wow. Stop for a second.

That is news, isn't it?

Especially to the Supreme Court.

That is news. That no matter what the president does. Even if it breaks the law, you're not going to have pay a price for it.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

See, what the left is afraid of right now is what they're saying is, he is going to silence speech. Donald Trump will silence any dissent.

And that's not happening now. Uh-uh.

Or he would put his -- he would put his -- you know, former allies -- I mean, his former foes in jail.

For instance, let's say, you're running against a guy who Donald Trump didn't think he could beat. Then he would just make up some charges.

And then get the guy arrested.

And then keep him, you know, in the court system, until you finally got him into jail.

That's what Trump could do. Trump could do that.

Because of yesterday's rulings.

So that's pretty -- pretty frightening.

You know, I think if we're really going to go all the way. What should be terrifying, is that Donald Trump could just round up a whole group of people, because he didn't like them.

You know what I mean?

Just round them up.

And then put them like in a concentration camp. Kind of like FDR did with the Japanese. And that wouldn't be legal. You know, he would get out of office. And he would never pay the price. that FDR had to pay.

STU: Which is that he named our best president.

GLENN: Well, yeah. That's weird.

STU: Over and over again.

GLENN: Yeah. The guys who would violate these are always the progressives. Always.

The deep, deep progressives are the ones, who violate all these things.

Now, when it comes to just killing people, or doing something illegal, the Supreme Court case laid out it must be constitutional. So if the -- if the president acts in an unconstitutional way, then you can get him!

But unless it's -- unless it's unconstitutional, he can't do it. So it would be unconstitutional to round up the people that disagreed with you.

It would be unconstitutional to silence those who oppose you!

It would be unconstitutional to go after your opposing political foe, and try to put them in jail. All things that Joe Biden is currently doing.

STU: Yeah. I mean, it's funny, this ruling is coming from Roberts. Who is an institutionalist. Right?

If anything, we've complained about him a million times, because he's so unwilling to shake up things. Just because, you know, it happens to be the constitutional way.

I mean, Obamacare is a great example of that.

It will shake things up. I don't want to give the impression, that we're too impactful on society.

He's always doing these things. That's in a way, what this ruling is.

What he's saying is, hey. We shouldn't have -- I mean, in a way, it's designed specifically to protect Joe Biden.

Because everybody knows, if there's no immunity. What do you think Donald Trump will do when he's president of the United States, after what he's just been through. He will go in there, and find everything that he can. And go after Joe Biden on that.

He promised to do with Hillary. He didn't do it. He now says he regrets not doing it.

And now they've done it to him! So you think he will just sit back and say, you know, let me show you what I will do as president.

It's a shoulder shrug. I don't think that's the way it will go down. In a way, Roberts is protecting both sides from this back and forth that can easily come.

GLENN: However, what the president has done, is not constitutional.

And he should go to jail. Not for the things that he's done in office.

I disagree with all his policies. The whole thing, of, you know -- of, you know, taking away your student loans. And things like that.

You know, that's unconstitutional. But I don't think that's something that you go after.

However, the business dealings with China?

Yeah. I think that should be prosecuted.

STU: At least as far as we know.

GLENN: That didn't happen as president.

STU: As far as we know, none of that happened while we were president. That wouldn't help at all. I think what Roberts is doing here, is just setting a high bar.

GLENN: That's what he's saying.

STU: Of course you can go after a president for the worst things in the world. However, there's a high bar for you to clear. So don't bother bringing up your BS nonsense every ten seconds because it's not going to work. That's beyond the fact that we all knew what he said was true.

Official acts would be -- you would be having immunity for. Like you're not able under the law, Glenn, to kill people. Right?

Like you can't just -- like, you couldn't send a drone to start murdering people, in other countries.

The president, with his powers, as commander-in-chief, has -- powers that we don't have.

Like, we all know that. There was some sort of implied immunity for official acts. We all knew that. We all knew unofficial acts would not be covered here.

There was nothing new in this ruling. It was blatantly obvious. Yet they have to do this charade every single time. And act, oh, SEAL Team Six might come and just start being utilized to kill people. You know how many -- how many different layers of checks and balances would have to -- including SEAL Team Six, just going along with this.

Which they would not be covered to do. They would all get prosecuted. They would all be put in prison. But we're supposed to believe, that Donald Trump would be fine for doing this.

It's insanity.

GLENN: All right. Well, let me just end with this.

As the president was saying this, two things happened yesterday. Christian pro-life father of 11 is now facing over a decade in prison.

He will be sentenced today, okay? For a peaceful protest in Tennessee. It was a violation of the Face Act, you know. They were praying in the hallway.

What he said, yesterday, is this: Quote, it's real easy for me. I can go and go to battle and go to jail as an individual. And it's not a big loss.

The challenge comes, when you're leading your family through it. When you're talking to your 3-year-old and your 23-year-old and your other family. Von said that he wanted to pray to God, quote, every day. And get up ready to take on the day, with whatever circumstances believe my way, with a humility and a grace and a spirit-led life. That represents all of us in our society. Represents him and our community around us.

How many politicians order their life after truth and justice, versus power, greed, negotiation, and negotiating principles?

So here's a guy who said, I believe what I believe. God will be with me.

I'm going to go to jail. At the same time, Bannon also went to jail.

For contempt of Congress. There are now 15 -- I believe 15 people in the Biden administration that have been deemed in contempt of Congress.

None of them are being prosecuted.

But Donald Trump's people are. Bannon said this, and I don't like Bannon. Okay?

I don't agree with Bannon on everything. I think he's -- a thought leader, that I really strongly disagree with many times. But he should not be going to jail.

He said, I am proud to go to prison. If this is what it takes to stand up to tyranny, if this is -- if this is what it takes to stand up to the corrupt criminal DOJ. If this is what it takes to stand up to Nancy Pelosi, if this is what it takes to stand up to Joe Biden, then I am proud to do it.

You have people crying that they might go to prop. While they're putting people in prison, for the things that they have done themselves.

Please, Mr. President, don't talk to me about out of control tyranny from the Supreme Court. They have done exactly the opposite.

They have protected the presidency, while they are dismantling the administrative state.

"Biden Advisor" Reveals How to SAVE Biden's 2024 Campaign
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"Biden Advisor" Reveals How to SAVE Biden's 2024 Campaign

President Biden suffered a major blow due to his embarrassing CNN Presidential Debate performance: He came across as way too elderly and now, many in his party are considering replacing him. But don't worry! His campaign has a plan! Glenn speaks with the just-as-ancient "Biden advisor," Wilfred, who is an expert at youth outreach. Wilfred (totally not Stu) lays out all the wonderful ways that Biden can reinvigorate his campaign ... and also why the President may actually be "TOO youthful!"

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Well, this is an amazing turn of events, from the -- I guess what do you say who did you say. White House spokesperson.

Wilfred. I don't know if I have your last name. Hi.

How are you?

STU: May I speak to Rush?

GLENN: Oh, yeah. Rush? Let's just say, Rush doesn't work here anymore.

STU: Yes.

Right. My name is Wilford.

And I'm calling from Sun City Florida.

GLENN: Yes. Okay.

And you're a Biden adviser.

STU: Yes. I'm one of his campaign spokespeople. Person.

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

And -- and it's my understanding, that you have some inside news of what happened this weekend. Were you there at Camp David?

STU: No.

GLENN: With the family?

STU: Positions would not let me involved in air travel. However --

GLENN: Positions. Yeah.

STU: I have been in close touch with the campaign.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

STU: I've been working in campaigns, like this, for quite some time.

GLENN: Quite some time. Really?

STU: And I watch the debate on the television set.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: And I -- and look, did Joe Biden have a good night?

No. No.

GLENN: No. He didn't. No.

STU: He -- it -- it was -- look, it was a catastrophe. Let's be honest about it.

GLENN: All right.

STU: Joe Biden. It's like the time I tried to make a move on Ethel, at the prom.

GLENN: Ethel. Okay. What happened there?

STU: She -- well, she seemed to be into it.

But she had so many layers of pantaloons.
(laughter)
And I was unable -- to get --

GLENN: Right.

STU: To get to the conclusion of the evening. And the sun came up. I was still trying to remove layers.

GLENN: Right. Okay. All right.

So Wilfred, we're really looking.

We're looking towards the future here, on whether he's going to drop out from the campaign.

Or, I mean, what has been decided?

STU: Well, the first thing that was decided, was that his entire campaign would now be sponsored by Prevagen.

So we can get the donations from the Prevagen Corporation. And really, if we fill him up, to make his internal digestive systems approximately 80 percent Prevagen. We believe multiple sentences will come out!

GLENN: Really? Really?

STU: Together. Yes.

GLENN: Right. Okay. All right.

STU: So there are decisions we can make, but this is similar to when I worked on the Fillmore campaign.

We had --

GLENN: The what?

STU: When I worked on the Fillmore campaign? Millard Fillmore.

STU: The Fillmore campaign. Millard Fillmore. When I was working.

GLENN: Hang on. I'm sorry to -- just trying to remember what year that might have been. I can't remember.

STU: Oh, you were -- well, you were -- he was lucky 13. Thirteenth president.

GLENN: Thirteen.

Okay. Good. All right. Go ahead.

STU: And I was working with him, on messaging.

And it was difficult. Because, for example, we must have really electricity.

Pretty much at that point.

GLENN: Right. Right.

STU: And we were trying to communicate to the people. Now, fill more was a much better communicator than Joe Biden, obviously.

GLENN: Right. Right. Sure.

STU: But he also beat Medicare with be and I'm -- I think that's a good thing for him to come back to.

Joe Biden beat Medicare. And Millard fill --

GLENN: Yes.

STU: Millard fill more did as well. And I think he can stand on that.

GLENN: All right.

STU: By the way, am I speaking with Don? Is this Mr. Imus?

GLENN: No. He's -- let's just say, Don does not work here anymore.

STU: I listen every day, Don.

GLENN: All right.

STU: And I would say, I'm concerned that Joe Biden may come off as too youthful.

For the American people.

GLENN: Too youthful?

STU: I don't know if you've noticed lately. But the American people love old candidates.

They don't want people who are coherent. When was the last time you watched a Sunday show, and saw someone.

GLENN: Are you there? Are you there?
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GLENN: Yeah. You got that out. Are you all right? All right. We may have to come back to -- we may have to believe back to Wilford a little bit later.

STU: Just remember, Hedy, this is Hedy Lamarr. Am I right?

GLENN: Yes. Yes, you are.

STU: I have been a huge fan of your show since it began. And when you and Marconi were doing that one thing together.

GLENN: All right. We're going to let you go now. But thanks for calling in from the Biden. From the Biden team, that's Wilfred.

STU: I know my pill.

GLENN: Just hang up the phone. That's all you have to do is just hang it up.

Maybe -- may be a while. Let's move on, shall we?