Christian attorney who helps rescue kids around the world says this simple thing inspires him

Nonprofit founder and author Bob Goff has a four-letter secret to his success: love.

Goff, whose new book, “Everybody, Always: Becoming Love in a World Full of Setbacks and Difficult People,” will debut next week, joined Glenn in the studio today to talk about “extravagant love” and the need for “courageous people” in a difficult world.

Goff uses his experience as an attorney to bring justice to places where crimes are overlooked by the culture. He shared the story of a little boy who was kidnapped by witch doctors in Uganda, brutally maimed and left for dead – but survived.

With Love Does, the nonprofit he founded in 2003, Goff gets to fight for kids like him. He pursued the death penalty for the witch doctor who nearly killed the little boy and won, sending a message to the rest of the country that kids will be protected.

Relying on a “childlike faith,” Goff has been able to show love in unexpected ways, and his message on today’s show was to encourage everyone to do the same in their own lives.

“Make your next courageous step, whatever that is,” Goff said.

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: So here's the thing: I've given up on politics. Because we keep playing this thing over and over and over again. And expecting different outcomes. And it seems to be the same outcome.

And I'm more of a believer in the individual and the individual going out and doing something. And just saying, you know what, I don't care what people tell me what I can and can't do. I don't care if they tell me that it's ridiculous.

Because it's not. If we just decide to do it. I want to introduce you to a guy, Bob Goff, who I think has a similar attitude. Welcome, Bob. How are you is this

BOB: Thanks a million for having me on. Good to be with you.

GLENN: You're an attorney from the San Diego area.

BOB: Yes, 30 years.

GLENN: And you're a best-selling author now. You have a new book out now called Everybody, Always. But your last one was Love Does.

I want you to give the audience, for anybody who doesn't know you, a sense of who you are. And start with -- start with the fact that you have no television in your house. And what happened on September 11th in your house with your children.

BOB: Yeah. Well, I was practicing law. Had -- I can't tell you about me without telling about sweet Maria Goth, my bride of 33 years, and then we have three kids. And this whole idea, living a purposeful life, like we're confronted with so much information, so much tragedy around us, one of the things that I decided to do was I was just going to start with my family. And so we decided to get rid of the television.

And when the -- when September 11th happened, I came home and I told the kids, there's something horrible that happened in the country.

And we sat around this table we have in the kitchen. And I said, if you have five minutes, in front of a leader in the world, what would you say to them? And I love -- my son was seven at the time, he said, you know what, I would invite them over for a sleepover. And that actually makes a lot of sense.

GLENN: It does.

BOB: Put your hand in the goldfish bowl. See if it makes a B. And it works.

So my 9-year-old said, I would ask them what they're hoping in. Because I would say, like, if you find out what people are hoping for, you find out a lot more about them.

And then our 11-year-old, she was the precocious one, she said, I would say this, if they couldn't come over for the sleepover, I would ask this leader if we could come over to their house and do an interview and ask them, what are you hoping for? And get a message of hope to pass on to another leader.

So we downloaded the CIA website. We felt like we were hacking into NORAD. We got the name of every leader in every country, figured out their addresses, and wrote them.

And we got a post office box. Because we didn't want Ahmadinejad to know where we went. (laughter)

And so we sent all these letters. And after school every day, we would go over. And so they would get the mail out. The kids would be in the backseat. They would ask me about these countries.

I'm like, I don't know. That's east of here apparently, but we always got the most pleasant notes. It was Tony Blair at the time. He said, like a jolly good show. Like forget it. But jolly good show.

GLENN: Right.

BOB: But then they got the leader of Bulgaria. He wrote to them. And he said, if you'll come to the palace in Sophia, I'll give you your interview.

Then the prime minister of Switzerland said, if you come to Bern, I'll give you your interview. Then the president of Israel said, if you'll come to Jerusalem, I'll give you -- we got 19 yeses. So I pulled the kids out of school. Their teachers had a cow. I'm like, sue me.

So there's something just really beautiful about that. And I love that it's this idea of a child-like faith. That idea -- look to your kids. You want to do something awesome for the world, plug into your family.

GLENN: Because you would -- as an adult -- and the older you get, the secret to staying young -- I think that's what Jesus meant when he said, come to me as a child.

BOB: Oh, bingo. Totally.

GLENN: You still believe. You haven't been worn down by the world to say, it won't work. It won't work.

BOB: Yeah. And if you've been convinced that it won't work, get a puppy. Literally, just --

GLENN: No, because then I'm convinced potty training doesn't work.

BOB: Yes. I worked it right in the middle of that. The only thing our dog has missed is the lawn so far.

But one of the things is that, let the children kind of lead us. And we're seeing that in society. We're seeing that over and over. Go do that with your family. So we went.

And there's this one country. They had just been involved in all kinds of stuff.

And the leader walks in. And he said, children, you know, I'm more nervous meeting with you, than if I was meeting with the president of the United States right now. And then he said, and when I get nervous, I get hungry. And he claps his hand. And all these servants come in with jars of candy and ice cream. It's just really beautiful.

There's something about this idea of leading with love. And it takes a child-like faith to get there. Not childish.

Because most of us guys have childish nailed. But child-like, to just remain hopeful, even in the face of overwhelming difficulties.

GLENN: One of the places you went to was Uganda, right?

BOB: Yeah.

GLENN: And we've done some stuff? Uganda. Because there's still sacrifices. Human sacrifices in Uganda with these witch doctors. And they kidnap children and they sacrifice them. And it's horrifying. And horrifying. And then you stop it in one place, and then it pops up in another place.

Because it's still part of their culture. But you being an attorney, you found that for a long time, there wasn't a law. But then like three years before you got there, they had passed a law to stop all this, but nobody was enforcing it.

Is that right?

BOB: Yeah, that's it. Because people were afraid. The judges were afraid. Everybody was afraid.

But it just takes courageous people to make big change. That idea to just -- and we don't measure. God doesn't compare our leaps. I would say for everybody listening, make your next courageous step. Whatever that is.

For me, I was a lawyer. Knew how to try cases. The problem with me, there's always child sacrifice. There's always a victim, but they're always dead. And it all changes.

A couple years ago, a little boy -- we'll just say his name is Charlie. He was walking home from school and gets abducted by the leader of all of these witch doctors.

And they -- they try to do this sacrifice. They cut off all his private parts and leave him for dead. But the kid doesn't die. So for the first time, we had a victim survived. We got the witch doctor.

So I asked, could we try Uganda's first death penalty case. And they said, you will never get a judge who will touch that. But then we found a judge. And we tried the case. And the word of this conviction went to 41 million people. And here was the message: You touch a kid. It's over.

There's something beautiful about that idea of like, there's no love without justice. But there's also no justice without love.

So after this conviction happens, the boy is all torn up. This attack happens with a machete. A doctor in Los Angeles, here's what happened. And he calls me up at home. He said, Bob, I heard what happened with this little kid, and I can fix him.

And I'm like, buddy, you didn't hear what got cut off, you can't fix that. And he's like, I'm the chief of surgery in Cedar-Sinai Medical Center. I can fix him.

And I said, what? So I drive up to Los Angeles. He takes out a piece of paper and he starts drawing out what he's going to do, which is way too much information.

And I asked him -- if they find that at the TSA, I'm going to jail.

And I said, how much would that cost? And he said, it would be staggering. But I'll do it for nothing. I'm like, I can afford nothing.

So I fly back to Uganda. We find the little boy in the bush. And my first stop is court, and I become his legal guardian. And we're flying back for this operation. And I get off the plane in London. And he's holding -- and he said, Father, can we just walk the rest of the way? I'm like, oh, buddy.

And I open up my laptop to see if there's any messages. This is the time when Obama is in office. And there's a message that says, White House. And the message is really short, it just says, we'd like to meet, Charlie. I thought it was some of my friends, like you guys, that would just pull a fast one.

And it's legit. And this kid that was standing in the bush in Uganda is now standing in the Oval Office. And I think, why does this happen? And here's the deal: It's that child like faith. And no matter what age you are, you can actually start thinking about what might be possible.

And I just want to continue to live into that. Even against all of the horrific things going on, to remain hopeful and engaged. Not just to put smiley faces on it. But, what's my next step? What's my next leap?

GLENN: So here's the thing that I think of all the time: If I have cancer -- for instance, go to a doctor over and over and over again. Something is wrong, but the doctors can't find it. If that's happened to you, you get to a point to where, I don't care if it's cancer. I just want to know, you know.

And I think there is hope, when -- when there is knowledge that there is something you can do, that -- whether it works or not. Is unknown.

But once you know -- I have no hope in a doctor who says, oh, you know, it's just a little spot on your lawn. And, you know, it's nothing. And he knows it's cancer. Don't tell me that. I'm hopeless.

Tell me it's cancer, and I can find hope.

We have to -- we have to not just be putting smiley faces on things and going, oh, no, it's not so bad. It is. It's bad. It's bad.

But now, take us from, it's bad, to how to find that hopeful place, when we come back.

Name of the book is Everybody, Always, by Bob Goff. G-O-F-F. Bob Goff. We continue in just a second.

GLENN: We're with Bob Goff. Amazing man.

Not a -- you know, not a Tony Robbins kind of guy who makes his living being a motivational speaker, but is truly motivational. And everybody that I've ever seen him in. Because it's -- he's infectious. Courage is contagious, and so is hope.

And Bob just made the point that we need to find hope. So how do you do that? How do you find real hope? In a sea of despair.

BOB: Yeah. No simple answer for anything. But the first thing that strung to my mind is, it's a life of engagement. And an idea of engaging the people around you. Engaging the issues around you.

But not necessarily with the petition, but engage it with everything that you've got, with your love, with your hope, with your energy. Find these things.

We were talking about a wrong that was done in Uganda. Engage it.

If you're good as a lawyer, go do a bunch of that. If you're good at loving people, go do a bunch of that. I don't want people to meet just my opinions, I want them to actually meet me. And the way to meet me is to be curious about them.

GLENN: So you -- when you sat down, I told you, you passed a test that almost no one passes. I think there's maybe been two people. And we've had great people in a career of 40 years. I've had great people around that I've interviewed.

I think -- I could honestly say two. Maybe there's been five, that have walked into the room, said, hello, to me and then said hello to Stu or the other people on the air.

But then the important thing, looked at the people who are holding the camera, doing the makeup, introducing yourself, looking them in the eye, and engaging with them. That rarely happens. Rarely.

It's sad. But to me, it's a test of, who are you really? And -- and you pass that. And from what I understand, you were out in the greenroom and you were out in the hallway and you were having conversations. You came in here and you started looking around. You're very observant. Which I think kind of passes all of us by, sometimes. We just kind of -- we just engage in the moment and do what we have to do with that person.

BOB: Yeah. I think each of us are looking for these same things in our life, like love and purpose and connection. And then authentic relationships. We just start skipping across the disk, we just turn our life into a bunch of transactions. And I just don't want to be -- I'm not a touchy-feely guy. I'm a trial lawyer.

GLENN: You don't seem like a trial lawyer.

BOB: I'm the only guy trying a 100-million-dollar case with a Mickey Mouse watch.

But I'll tell you, it will be the third month of the trial. And somebody in the box will say, Mickey Mouse watch. I'll be like, I just want -- but this whole idea, this overarching idea that we'll be known for our opinions, but remembered for our love. So I think each of us need to ask, what are we going to be remembered for?

GLENN: I want to -- I could spend a day with you.

But I want to come back here in a second, and show me how you remain optimistic, as a trial lawyer. I can't think of a worst job. I can't think of a worst job.

BOB: Yeah.

GLENN: You're surrounded by dirtbags, lying, the system, and yet you hold it. So give me some real life examples.

BOB: Well, I would say --

GLENN: Wait. Wait. When we come back.

GLENN: Welcome back. We're talking to an incredible guy. I could spend the day with. And he's just invited me to TP some houses for the rest of the day. His name is Bob Goth, the author of Everybody, Always.

And one of the happier guys that I think I've ever met. And you're a trial attorney! And I want to get into that. But we're going to run out of time. So let's start off with one of your philosophies, one of the things that you take away from the Jesus story. And that is, tell no one.

BOB: Yes. I love that big moment. It's this Simon Peter -- you know, Jesus says, who am I? And some say you are a teacher. And actually, he was an awesome teacher. Some say you're a prophet. And he was actually an awesome prophet. And then Simon Peter says, you're God.

And Jesus said, you nailed it. But I love that he said flesh and blood doesn't reveal that to you, but the spirit. And we have a lot of people where faith is important to them. And they're trying to, like, do the spirit's work. Like, just, they're trying to tell everybody what Jesus is.

Two verses later, he says, tell no one.

I love that. I don't think it's supposed to be a secret. I think he means, show them, don't tell them.

So show people what -- we'll know what we believe, when everybody sees what we do. I don't care when somebody says, I got a lot of things I believe. But see what I do. See what you do. You're doing this, you're just spreading a lot of hope for people.

GLENN: So you are -- so -- but do you set out to -- you know, another Jesus thing, and it kind of reminds me of you, pay no attention to what's going to happen tomorrow. Don't worry about tomorrow. Don't worry about where you're going to lay your head. Don't worry about any of it. Just go and do it. That seems to be your mantra.

BOB: Exactly. So know why you're doing what you're doing. So, for instance, I'm married. Got three kids. Two of them -- two of those are married. And I want to be a grandpa. Like, what more in the worst thing in the whole -- I just want that so bad.

GLENN: It's great.

BOB: I'm expecting. They're not expecting. I'm expecting every day.

My son actually with his wife went to Hawaii. He said it rained all week. I'm like, yes!

GLENN: Good.

BOB: More wine to the cabana.


BOB: So one of the things, if you know why you're doing what you're doing -- and I just want to be -- we were talking about being available. So I put my cell phone number in the back of a couple million books. And I get 100 calls a day. I can't get --

STU: It is legitimately the last sentence -- of the book, it talks about, if you ever want to talk about any of the ideas, my phone number is, give me a call sometime, if I can be helpful.

BOB: Isn't that awesome?

GLENN: It's crazy.

BOB: People don't follow vision. They follow availability. And I'm never the smartest guy, particularly right now, but I can be the most available guy in the room.

And so if you know why you're doing what you're doing.

GLENN: So how -- how do you do that?

BOB: I just get constantly interrupted. Like literally just constantly -- Jesus was constantly interrupting. People are tugging on his shirt, calling his name from trees. Just -- just live a life with constant interruptions.

And what it reminds me over and over again, is not to be efficient in the way that I love people, but to be extravagant. That was one of the hallmarks.

GLENN: What does that mean?

BOB: Just not giving people a little bit, just give them your best.

I got -- we took all the money from Loved Does and just gave it all away. And so we've been going around, building schools in countries. Which cracks me up, because my worst subject in school was school.

But we're actually pretty good at starting them. So we've got one in Uganda. One in Iraq. One in Somalia. We've got one going into a country that doesn't do that. That's in two weeks. What could possibly go wrong?


I'll check back in with you in three.

So one of the whole ideas is to fail trying. Don't fail watching anymore. Fail trying. So if you see something, don't just identify with that. But just say, what's my piece in that?

GLENN: We had guys yesterday, they were up in Indianapolis. And they had potholes in their town.

And they were reading -- you know, they knew how bad it was. And they were reading in the newspaper, that the state couldn't afford it. The city couldn't afford it. It was $700 billion or whatever to fix all the potholes. So they went to -- they took 50 bucks. They went to the hardware store. They bought asphalt. And they just started fixing potholes.

BOB: Done.

GLENN: Right. And what is amazing about this is so far the city knows about it and hasn't stopped them. I would think, immediately, oh, you're -- they're going to come -- they just didn't stop. They just went out and did it. But they're in their 20s too. They haven't lived a life of, don't do that.

BOB: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What if the -- as you're constantly thinking about, what do you want to be remembered for? And I just want to be remembered for someone who is engaged. And here's the crazy part, like God isn't dazzled when you go across an ocean. He's wowed when you go across the street. This idea of loving your neighbor. I don't think it's just a metaphor for something else. I think it actually means love your neighbor.

We've got a mailman on our block. He's lousy at it. He's not a detail guy.

So we get everybody else -- actually, one of my neighbors was getting audited. I had to bring it over. Like, stinks to be you.

So Art, after 20 long years finally said he was going to retire. I'm like, praise the Lord.


And so we decided to make him the grand marshal of our parade. We have a parade on our block. Our block is only ten houses long on each side. And so 800 people showed up to see Art to let him know, just how much they loved him, even though he was a lousy mailman. Everybody in the whole community knew it. We got a convertible. We filled it full of envelopes. We just said, Art, throw them in the air. Do what you do every day.

STU: That's a great insult right there.

BOB: And there was such an outpouring of love towards this guy.

He called me up the next day and he said, Bob, I'm coming out of retirement. I'm like, no!

But what will happen, when people know that they're loved, when they actually know they're respected, this idea of being ready to make a defense for the hope that's within you, it doesn't mean to point bony fingers at people. They forget the last sentence. It says, with gentleness and respect.

And if we could just treat people with gentleness and respect, knowing that you've got beautiful things in your life. And God might be doing something different in your life than my life.

Last Saturday, there was a wedding planner that was praying for sunshine. And there was a farmer praying for rain. Right?

And it's just to assume that God is up to different things in other people's lives, and be a little more patient with them as we get there.

But to do the things, we can hope for a lot of things, but hope on the move. People say like love is a verb. I think hope is. I don't know about my grammar. But I'll tell you, hope on the move is unstoppable.

That's what your -- your guys were doing with the potholes. They're saying, that's hope on the move. I'm not waiting for permission. Your life is your permission.

Somebody like birthed you and said, go. Now go do beautiful, immense things, but do it with gentleness and respect. I can try death penalty cases against witch doctors, but that whole idea of loving your neighbor and loving the people, love your enemy. Right?

So after the trial, I started meeting with witch doctors. I sent out word on the bush radio that the consul general for Uganda is here, and I command every witch doctor to meet with me. Glenn, they came. I met with a thousand witch doctors. And they are creepy.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

BOB: They make dolls that look like me and stick stuff into them. No wonder I always have a headache.

So I asked these guys, what do you need? And they said, we don't know how to read or write.

So get this, I started a witch doctor school. We go teach them how to be witch doctors. They already know.

We teach them how to read and write. And the only books we have in witch doctor school are the Bible and Love Does. So this whole idea -- you should see our graduation ceremonies. I mean, they're awesome.

GLENN: Oh, I bet. It's unique.

BOB: Yeah, so I grabbed each of these witch doctors by the face, and I give them a kiss on the forehead. I want be every witch doctor's first kiss. And I just whisper to them, like, do good. Live your life in a way -- they're already the leaders in the community. Live a life in a way that gives great honor and respect to people.

GLENN: Okay. So I just want to take this back, as I understand this story, here's a guy I introduced to you 40 minutes ago. And it started at his table with his children on September 11th. They wrote a letter.

He first asked, what would you say to the world leaders? They respond. Most people would stop there. He said, let's write. And let's invite them to come here. Or we'll go there and interview them and find out what they hope for.

And 20 -- no, 19 of them said yes. Most people would go, okay. Well, we're not going to go -- they went to all 19?

BOB: Yeah.

GLENN: Went to all 19. Interviewed. While he was in Uganda. Finds problems. He's an attorney, he says, well, maybe I can just help. He starts to help. They invite you to be the -- they invite you, you think to be council. Meaning they wanted you to be a counselor and an attorney there. But you're actually an ambassador. Not of -- wait. You're not the ambassador from the United States to Uganda. You're the Uganda an ambassador to America, right?

BOB: The consul, yes.

GLENN: Consul.

So now you're educating witch doctors and teaching them how to do good.

That's a remarkable 15 years.

BOB: What if you just lived a life engaged. It wouldn't be any different than other people. Like, this whole idea of living an engaged life. We're not graded on a curve. Just engaged with the people around you, engage the people you love.

But engage them with love. Like, engage them with that child-like faith. And to see what would happen -- we would finish each interview with these world leaders. Like, what do you bring to some of these guys? Some places the chocolate would melt.

And so the kids brought the key to our front door. And they gave it to them in a little box. And they said, you know, we came over to your house. If you ever want to come to our house, here's the key to your front door. And you know what, somebody -- I'm going to tell you who, but they emailed from the embassy to our kids. Because they don't have my email address. It's the kids doing this. And they said, we'd like to use our key. And they did.

GLENN: Oh, you're kidding me.

BOB: Just engage people. See what will happen. Do a cannonball. Don't put your toe in the water. Grab your knees. And then just see what will happen. Start with your family. Let these concentric rings go out. If faith is a big deal, do it because faith is a big deal for you.

But don't try to talk everybody into it. God will let people know that he's around because he's there.

Like, it will just continue to reveal himself. And not in mystical ways.

It will just be by meeting loving people. So I want to be that guy. And I'm trying. And I'm not quite there. I always get my first call. It's always 5:00 in the morning from some dude in Atlanta. Because it's 8:00 in the morning there, and it's 5:00 in San Diego. I got my last call at midnight from two witch doctors in witch doctor school.

And they said, a little boy has been abducted. And this new witch doctor has taken them into the bush for a child sacrifice, but we know where he is. Should we go get the kid?

And I'm standing on my bed in my boxers, yelling into the phone, get the kid! And four hours later, I get a text message from these two guys that used to be bad guys, and they said, we've rescued the child, he's with his mother. And the last two words of the text message, Love Does.

I've spent my whole life avoiding the people Jesus spent his whole life engaging. And I've just said, I'm not going to avoid people anymore. I'm going to engage the people who creep me out. I'm not going to just avoid them, but I'm not going to engage them --

STU: Is that what this interview is about?

BOB: Oh, you want to know something great? The cover of Everybody, Always looks like a bunch of balloons. I flew over to Uganda after -- you know what it's like when you get a book cover, and they send all these samples. They all look hokey.

So I flew over Uganda. I got the witch doctors to make the cover out of their fingerprints.


GLENN: Wow. Wow.

BOB: But engage people. Engage people. They're like, what's this about? Actually, I'm going to write a book about loving people and loving the people that creep you out. And you guys used to creep me out a lot. You still creep a lot of people out. But I'm learning from you. You're actually teaching me more about love. Because I'm learning about you and your life. And I see who you're becoming. Not who you used to be. And it's starting to change me. They've actually taught me. I don't know if I've taught them anything. They're teaching me a ton.

GLENN: I have to tell you, Bob, and I don't know if you take this as a compliment or not. But I have worked -- but I've been around and worked with some of the biggest spiritual leaders of multiple faiths in the last 20 years.

And have met the worst and the best. Billy Graham. One of the best. I won't list some of the worst.

You may be the best preacher I've ever met. And it's not because you're preaching. It's because you're doing it. And that's the secret.

If we just stop preaching to each other and we stop trying to get each other baptized or trying to fix everybody's life by selling you X, Y, or Z, just live it yourself, it -- people change. People change.

BOB: You know why you're doing what you're doing.

I dressed up to come visit with you by taking off my baseball cap. I wear this Boston Red Sox hat, not because I'm a Red Sox fan. I haven't even gone to a baseball fan.

But one of the reasons I wear it, my neighbor across the street was a big Red Sox fan. And she was going to be with Jesus by the end of the week. So we made a deal. I said, I will wear your Red Sox hat for the rest of my life and represent the Sox here, but every time Jesus walks by you, you need to mention my name.


That's the first thing if I hear, I knew you not, I'm like, Carol!

So if you know why you're doing what you're doing, why you're engaging people in conversation, why you're doing it, it will give a lot of clarity to your life.

GLENN: You're amazing. Thank you so much.

BOB: Oh, thanks so much for having me and for making me feel so welcome and for spreading a lot of joy and hope to people.

GLENN: You bet. Thank you. Bob Goff. Everybody, Always. If that doesn't sell everyone in this audience on buying this book, I don't know what would.

Boy, one of my favorite interviews of all time. Thank you, Bob.

BOB: Good being with you, thank you.

GLENN: You bet.

Glenn SHOCKED at how FAST everyone abandoned Russell Brand

Glenn SHOCKED at how FAST everyone abandoned Russell Brand

London's Metropolitan Police force has opened an investigation into accusations made against comedian Russell Brand. This comes after the BBC, Brand's publisher and talent agency, sponsors like Burger King, and even the British Parliament have come after or abandoned him based solely on allegations. Glenn argues that while we still don't know the truth about whether Brand is guilty or not, it's shocking to see just how fast and viciously everyone has abandoned him. Is this the global elites' way of punishing him for speaking out against their plans? Glenn also reviews a similar story about NFL star Chandler Jones, who claims he was taken against his will to a mental health hospital by the Las Vegas fire department, injected, and forced to sleep on the floor after posting a "disturbing social media rant" — which he says was the result of a hack. Do we still live in a society where people are innocent until proven guilty?


Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Pat, can you help me out? How does an investigation usually work with the police? Do they -- do they watch TV and hear claims, and then they go and investigate?

PAT: Oh, my gosh. You must be a police insider. That's exactly how it works.

GLENN: I'm not wrong, right?

PAT: I would never do that. No.

GLENN: Okay. British police have opened a sex crimes investigation triggered by news reports covering Russell Brand.

PAT: Oh, my gosh. Isn't that something? This is so clear, that they hate his guts, because of the things that he's been saying.

GLENN: No. Two things could be true. He could absolutely be this guy.

PAT: Right. He could. He could.

But my guess is, if this was ten years ago, or 15 years ago, he wouldn't have this problem at all.


PAT: They would be coming after him.

GLENN: At the time, he did it on the BBC.

PAT: Right. Right.

GLENN: London's Metropolitan Police Force said Monday, that it had received a number of allegations of sexual offenses after a television documentary and newspaper investigations.

But there had been no arrests. Brand. Russell Brand denies allegations of sexual assault made by four women, in a Channel 4 television documentary and the Times -- Sunday Times newspapers.

The accusers who have not been named, include one who said she was sexually assaulted during a relationship with him. When she was 16. Another one says, Brand raped her in Los Angeles in 2012. Last week, a woman accused Brand of exposing himself to her, in 2008.

The woman told CBS News partner network BBC news, that she was working in the same building, where the BBC's Los Angeles office was. And when the incident occurred, Brand went on to the air to laugh about it, moments later on his radio show.

Well, we should be able to find that. The police force did not name Brand in its statement. But referred to recent articles in a documentary.

Said, its detectives were investigating allegations of non-recent sexual offenses, both in London and elsewhere.

We continue to encourage anyone who believes they may have been a victim of sexual offense, no matter how long it was, to contact us. We need to understand, it can feel like a difficult step to take.

And I want to reassure, that we have a team of specialist officers available to advise and support.

This is coming from their detective superintendent.

Brand has denied the allegations, saying his relationships have always been consensual. Even though, he was in an admitted period of being very, very promiscuous. That's a quote from him.

Known for his unbridled and risky standup routines, Brand was a major UK star in the early 2000s.

He hosted shows on radio and television, wrote memoirs, charting his battles with drug and alcohol, appeared in several Hollywood movies, and was briefly married to Katy Perry between 2010 and 2012.

Brand has largely disappeared from the mainstream media, but has built up a large following online with videos, mixing wellness and conspiracy theories.

Last week, YouTube said it would stop Brand from making money from the streaming site, where he has 6.6 million subscribers. Due to the serious allegations against him.

In an exclusive interview with CBS Mornings, the YouTube CEO said, they -- they decided to suspend monetization of Brand's channel because of YouTube's creator responsibility guidelines policy.

Quote, if creators have off-platform behavior, or there's an off-platform news that could be damaging to the broader creator ecosystem, you could be suspended from your monetization program. CBS mornings co-host Tony whatever said.

It has impacted a large number of creators and personalities on the platform in the past. YouTube went on to say, that's what played out in this particular case around the serious allegations.

So they have -- by the way, he's been dropped by his talent agency. He has been dropped for live performances.

And his publisher has also dropped him. So this guy has nothing. He has nothing. And he hasn't been charged with a crime.

PAT: And that happens so quickly.everybody got on board, right away.

And if you didn't get on board, the BBC is coming knocking at your door, asking you why. Hey, are you about to demonetize him? They were trying to get Rumble to demonetize him.

Rumble said, no. We're not going to do that.

GLENN: The parliament. Parliament, told Twitter to demonetize him and shut him down.

Parliament. I've never heard of that before.

So there's something very, very wrong here. And two things could be true.

He might have done these things. So don't wash your hands of that. Let's make sure that we know what happened.

But the other thing that is true. This has never happened before.

I've never seen. You had Menendez just a few minutes ago saying, well, you know, the charges. You're innocent until proven guilty.

And I demand. Well, what about Russell Brand? What about Russell Brand?

The story that is related to this, is a story about Chandler Jones. Do you know anything about Chandler Jones?

PAT: Very little.

GLENN: So he has claimed now, because he set off a tweet, where he said, the owner of the Raiders. And the head coach. Or the GM. He can't work for anymore.

Because the -- I think it was the owner had -- had information, and was protect protecting a man that molested his goddaughter. Okay?

And then nobody is really talking about that.

Nobody is really focused on this story.

And I don't know what this story was really all about.

Listen to this. NFL star Chandler Jones has claimed he was taken against his will, to a mental health hospital by the Las Vegas Fire Department last week. In an alarming social media post on Monday night, Jones said he had been injected against his will, and forced to sleep on the floor.

It comes a week after Jones went on a disturbing social media rant, accusing Raiders' owner Mark Davis of protecting the identity of a man he claims molested his goddaughter.

Jones, who is the younger brother of USC champion, John, later said that he had been hacked.

In a post on X, captioned first day out, but I'm still alive. Jones wrote: First day out. If my fans and friends were wondering, I was taken by the Las Vegas Fire Department last week against my will.

I was injected with, I don't know what.

They say that it was a court hold, and the Las Vegas police put me on it.

I hadn't done anything wrong. The police said, people were concerned about me. Because of my posts online.

I answered. Yeah. I know.

I answered my front door, and a group of five to seven were there to put me in an ambulance, where I was later ejected.

And I asked them not to.

I had in cell phone. Or in communication.

I was taken to Southern Hills Hospital. And transferred to Seven Hills, where they tried to force me to take meds and injections.

The NFL and Raiders star Jones, 33, added, I called Raiders' GM six to seven times, asking for help. And wondered if he had put me in here. But he had never answered.

I even left him voicemails. I was just trying to figure out, why I'm not allowed in the building. And still, why I don't have to continue to watch my brother suffer every Sunday. But no answer.

This place is not a place for high-profile athletes.

My first night, I slept on the floor. And was not offered a bed.

My brothers had nothing to bring me.

My brothers had to bring me decent meals to eat, and clothe.

My dad read to me Bible versus.

Every day, I miss, is $1 million. And I'm still confused on what I did wrong.

I'm still here. And I'm very sane.

Now, he goes on.

This is disturbing.

And again, I don't know what the truth is, on this.

But this isn't the first person that has been put into a mental institution.

Now, he's put into a mental institution, he claims. Because of his online post.

This is the way Stalin used to do it.

And maybe he is crazy, I don't know.

But listen to this story.

The mistress of a Pennsylvania police officer, spent three days in a mental hospital, after he had her involuntarily committed, when they broke up.

Ronald Davis is now facing charges for abusing his power and authority, to convince peers to issue a mental health valuation, and section his girlfriend.

Davis is married with kids, according to police records. He was having a relationship with the girl. Also 37.

They were together for -- for months, until the romance soured. He then told her, he would make her look crazy, and he did.

Pennsylvania state police confirmed Davis had been suspended without pay today. He's also facing felony strangulation and false imprisonment charges.

So I guess now we're going into a time, where we're putting people into mental institutions, that we either don't like, or maybe are saying something -- I mean, I don't know what's going on.

I just know. Have you seen these before?

PAT: No. No. It's really chilling.

GLENN: I mean, with Russell Brand, if you have done something, you need to pay the price for justice.

You need to pay the price.

If you are somebody who is living life on the edge, you're not going to be safe.

You're not. You have to do the right thing.

Just do the next right thing. If you have something in your life, clean it up right now. Clean it pick up.

You don't need anything in your life that you have to worry about. Just do the right thing. Because they will find things that you are doing and take you out.

And if you're just and it's not true, I believe it will work itself out. But if you are dirty and corrupt and have done something, the best thing to do is just pay the price. Let God work it out. Stop whatever you're doing. Turn back to God.

But we are living in times where things could get very, very dicey. They want to put you in jail with AI, and with deepfakes. There's a -- there's not a lot going for you. If they do want to put you in jail.

Just do the right thing. Stay active. Stay involved. Always speak your mind.

But shod your feet in the gospel of peace, always.

Why Glenn WANTS a government shutdown — and ALL TAXPAYERS should too

Why Glenn WANTS a government shutdown — and ALL TAXPAYERS should too

The United States is yet again on the verge of a government shutdown as House Republicans work to cut spending. But is that really a bad thing as the media has suggested? Glenn and Pat debunk some of the myths surrounding this current shutdown debate and review a "60 Minutes" report that details what your tax dollars are actually funding. Did you know that your money is bailing out small businesses in Ukraine? Meanwhile, here at home, small businesses are suffering under inflation. "We are destroying ourselves," Glenn warns, as the Biden administration depletes our munitions and oil supplies. So, maybe it's about time for a government shutdown.


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GLENN: Oh, man, I am so concerned about the government shutdown. And Pat is here to share my panic.

PAT: Oh man. I am scared. I am scared.

GLENN: What are we going to do?

PAT: I don't know. Same thing we always will, only it will be better. Because they are spending less of our money.

GLENN: But can they? Can they spend less of our money?

PAT: Well, they have to if the government shuts down, which is the beauty of a government shutdown.

They have to do all the necessary things. Like pay off the Social Security benefits and the veterans benefits, and all of that. They have to continue to do that, and they do.

STU: Yeah, including the interest.

PAT: Right. Right.

STU: You notice they're not talking about defaulting on the debt this time. That's weird.

PAT: That is weird.

GLENN: That was their biggest concern. We will default on the at the time. I haven't heard word one on defaulting on the debt.

PAT: I haven't either.

GLENN: That's weird. Now they're trying to say, you know these Republicans, they want to have a government shutdown. Because they want to shut down the ATF. Yeah. Yeah. At least we're honest about it. You know, all the things you want to do. Oh, how dare you, we want to take guns away. We love guns. I was kissing mine last night. Oh, I cleaned the tongue. I cleaned the barrel of my gun with my tongue, I love it so much.

Shut up!

PAT: And while we're at it, maybe the FBI too. Maybe that can go as well. Maybe that can go.

GLENN: And I don't know. The IRS. That wouldn't be a bad thing.

PAT: Yeah. Department of Education. Yeah. Get rid of all the nonessential nonsense.

GLENN: Yeah. Kevin McCarthy says, we're not going to default.

We have a number of days until funding runs out.

Do you know what we didn't have until -- until 1980.

Government shutdowns?

We never had them.

If -- you know, if the budget wasn't done, and it happened many times, you know, since 1776.

The budget wasn't done. They just went on, and no big deal. The budget will be finished soon.

But now, after 1980, I wonder what changed.

PAT: Huh.

GLENN: I wonder what changed. Because now we have to shut it down.

No. We really don't. We really don't. It's all funny money in the first place, you know.

PAT: That's for sure.

GLENN: So the -- the House Republicans are working hard today, to get everybody on the same page.

And that is, yeah. We should stop spending all of this -- this money.

You know.

And what do you say? We start with a few things. Like, no. The taxpayer shouldn't pay for abortions.

And send people on a vacation. At our expense.

And then at the end of that vacation, they have an abortion. No. Uh-uh.

No. No. I don't think so. Uh-uh.

PAT: How do you feel about the money going to Ukraine though? You love this for small business loans?

GLENN: Well, now, hold on just a second.

We're trying to help them win a war. Let me -- let me give you a couple of clips, from CBS.

When was the last time 60 Minutes actually did something where, he cared about.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Well, they did this weekend. Listen to this from 60 Minutes. Cut one.

VOICE: What Americans have to pay is financing more than just weapons. We've discovered the US governments are buying seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers, and covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders.

VOICE: Yeah. Yeah, 57,000 of them. That includes between the trains. This rescue dog named, Joy, to comb through the wreckage of Russian strikes and looking for survivors.

GLENN: Okay. I don't mind helping that one.

VOICE: And the US also funds the divers who we saw clearing unexploded ammunition from the country --

GLENN: Maybe that. Maybe.

VOICE: To make them safe again. The swimming and fishing. Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third. We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the US government is subsidizing small businesses.

GLENN: Wait. What. Hold it. Now, the dog thing. Okay. If we can help out on the dog thing, fine.

PAT: And it seems to be connected to the war.

GLENN: Yeah. And finding the unexploded bombs in the rivers.

Okay. Okay. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Paying 56,000 firefighters to show up.

You know we're also paying the government salaries. And we're paying the people's Social Security. Okay?

We're not even paying it here.

And every dollar that we print to send over there, is causing inflation, here.

So while our -- while we're getting poorer and poorer, it's almost like he designed it to be this way.

While we're getting poorer and poorer, they're -- they're getting bailed out by our government. And every time we send a dollar over there, you get poorer.

And it's not because it's taking money.

It's because we're printing money. Inflation.

So now we find out, that they're also, they're not helping small businesses here.

No. No. No.

When we had COVID. No. Home Depot.

Sure. Home Depot. I mean, they're safe.

But the Ma and pop stores, they're completely unsafe.

Huh! And now we're paying.

But wait, there's more. Cut two.

VOICE: Russia's invasion shrank Ukraine's economy by about a third. We were surprised to find that to keep it afloat, the US government is subsidizing small businesses, like Tatiana's mid-ware company.

PAT: Oh.

VOICE: That's cute.

GLENN: Oh, that is very nice.

VOICE: This fashion is a condition of war. We have to work. We have to pay taxes. We have to pay --

GLENN: Taxes. Oh, no.

VOICE: To our employees. We have to work. Don't stop.

VOICE: Why does that help Ukraine win the war?

VOICE: Because economy, it's a foundation of advocacy.

It's an aid from government, but it's an aid, say, from their heart of every ordinary American person.

GLENN: Okay. So wait. Hang on just a second. I'm not sure all that aid is from the heart of every American. Because we didn't know. If they would have asked us to help out, we would have been -- we would have been great. We are the most charitable nation in the history of the world.

PAT: And we would. We do give charitably.

GLENN: Correct.

PAT: More than the rest of the world, combined.

GLENN: Correct. But instead, they went through our government. And our government didn't tell us what they're doing. And they are doing things that are causing us pain. And not just pain.

What's happening here is, we are destroying ourselves. We're giving them all of our tanks and ammunition, that we are now dangerously low.

Dangerously low.

We don't have enough howitzer shells in you, to do any kind of war.

And we can only make 25,000 of those, a month.

Russia is using 60,000 a day.

A day. So I don't know.

I don't feel comfortable with this.

We've also destroyed our own oil supply. Our strategic oil reserve, almost gone.

We're destroying our ability to make oil, to find oil. To find oil. To refine it into gasoline. And yet, we're sending stuff over there.

We're letting everybody have whatever they want over there.

Including fertilizer.

Which our farmers are being told, we can't use any more, because of global warming.

Huh. Now, that's weird. How come it's okay for Ukraine. But not for us.

You haven't even passed a farm bill over here, to help our farmers.

But we're buying their grain over there. Which, by the way, because they're getting free grain.

They're planting crops. They can now sell it at such a low cost. That Poland has said, you're killing our farmers.

We can't support you anymore, Ukraine.

See what happens when man starts to get involved in ways that he shouldn't get involved?

See what happens? All of the unexpected consequences that come from this?

Or maybe they are expected.

So now, the Biden administration is requesting over $20 billion more. We wondered how they were paying for it.

We wondered where it was going.

Well, there are some things that you should probably know.

There is -- there is some questioning of some of the people that were in the administration over there.

And part of the group that was getting the money, and divvying it out. I think about 60 of them now, are actually being investigated.

Or going to jail. Or have lost their jobs.

Because they were corrupt. And taking and using our money for other things.

I just didn't know we were paying for everything over there.

Things that we wouldn't pay for us, over here.

Didn't know that. Just --

PAT: Nobody did.

Except the administration.

Until Sunday, with 60 Minutes.

GLENN: Yeah. And USAID. Which is now run by Cass Sunstein's wife.

Remember her?

She's in charge of USAID. And that's where all this money is coming from. And being distributed through.

Now, one last thing.

You know, that lady at least sounded grateful.

I want you to listen to the Ukrainian's -- hmm. Tell us how they really feel about our money. Your money. Listen.

VOICE: The country is fighting formal its survival. Bankrolled in large part by US taxpayers.

The outcome may be decided by America's willingness to keep paying.

VOICE: Some Americans say, we're very sympathetic to you, Americans. But we're going through tough times at home, and we just can't afford to keep supporting you.

VOICE: Ukrainians pay with their lives.

GLENN: Ukrainians pay with their lives. And...

VOICE: And I believe all their lives are much more than money. Much more than taxpayer's money.

GLENN: Their lives count much more than taxpayer's money. Yeah. It does. It does.

Although, nobody asked us. Now, this is what Joe Biden is talking about, when he calls for -- when he's saying, it's going to be a government shutdown.

You don't have to shut it down. Just agree to send any more money to Congress.

And then propose exactly what you want. And exactly where it's going.

Go through the proper channels for it. But you don't want to do that. Because you know.

I mean, I find it amazing. That CBS and 60 Minutes. Ran this right at the beginning of the budget stuff.

STU: Yeah. Incredible.

GLENN: That says something.

STU: Yeah. It does. It says, even they are getting fed up now with the shenanigans of this administration.

GLENN: Hopefully.

PAT: I hope so.

And I think, you know, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. But I think even the liberals in the media, are disgusted with this president.

And they see the fact.

And even if they're not disgusted. They understand he's a problem. And he might not win.

Because people are seeing, how compromised he is, mentally and physically. And so this might be part of encouraging him to exit.

GLENN: By the way, we now have photos of the ambassador -- the American ambassador, that was over in Ukraine.

Meeting twice with the Burisma official. After being told the firm was corrupt.

So we were told, that they didn't know anything. It's impossible to not know that Burisma and the head of Burisma was a total oligarch, that literally beheads the people, that -- that are in his way. And our American ambassador was told, as was Joe Biden, don't meet with these guys.

Don't. They're really, really bad. But the Burisma official, who worked closely with Hunter Biden was invited to two separate events, by the US ambassador.

For what reason? For what reason?

After she was told, have no contact with this person.

What was going on? What is still going on?

Why are we bankrupt America. This isn't America 1960, 1940. We have lost our manufacturing base. We are now in the midst of losing our cheap energy. And we have lost our cheap labor.

So what made America, America, in the 1940s, '50s, and '60s was, we had cheap labor. We had abundant, cheap energy. We had all of our natural resources. And nobody else had anything.

Well, now we don't have those things. Because they've been taken off the table.

And now when we do a marshal plan, by the way, in inflation-aged numbers, we are only about $50 billion away, and Joe Biden wants another 20 billion today. We're about $50 billion away, from the cost of the entire marshal plan.

Which rebuilt Europe.

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Where is all that money? Where is all that money?

And had you --

PAT: And what you want to bet, we're past that already. In reality. We don't have any idea.

GLENN: Correct.

So when they say, we have some extremists, that want to shut the government down.

I don't think it's extremist.

I really don't. With all the corruption, which we'll get into here in a second.

All the corruption that seems to be everywhere now.

Everywhere. All these deals being made with foreign countries by our senators. And our House members.

On top of that, the incredible spending!

I think it would be a good idea to shut it down.

Top 10 'Dark Future' predictions that have come TRUE

Top 10 'Dark Future' predictions that have come TRUE

World leaders recently gathered in India for this year's G20 Summit and produced a document that is practically the Great Reset on steroids. Glenn reviews the G20 New Delhi Leaders' Declaration, which outlines policy plans and priorities for member nations, and reveals the 10 biggest predictions from his book "Dark Future" that the document now proposes. For instance, global elites are now openly calling for the scaling back of private and public land use, the embedding of elitist priorities into AI, and the introduction and adoption of CBDCs. So much for so-called "conspiracy theories."

Does THIS prove the Left is DONE with Biden?

Does THIS prove the Left is DONE with Biden?

President Biden's disapproval rating has hit a new record high and the media is starting to talk about it. Meanwhile, former president Donald Trump still has a comfortable lead in the Republican primary polling. Glenn reads a new opinion piece in Newsweek from a progressive who is BEGGING Biden to step out of the 2024 race. Does this prove the Left done with Biden? Will the Democrats soon replace him with someone like California Gov. Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama? Glenn and Pat discuss.


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GLENN: President Biden's disapproval rating hit the highest mark of his presidency in a new poll.

PAT: What a surprise.

GLENN: Also showed his support by essential voting blocs, is slipping. Biden's disapproval rating ticked up to 56 percent. And I am shocked that it is that low. Think of it. I mean, honestly.

PAT: With the way things are. With the way he is.

GLENN: Honestly, can you think of anything that his voting base could say, well, he did this?

PAT: Yeah, they will tell you, he has created 13 million jobs, which is BS, of course. That's what they'll tell you.

But what I'm saying, somebody -- is there any way to actually have a real --

PAT: No. Absolutely -- not unless you're a total moron. A real buffoon.

You have to be -- you would have to have all the intelligence of a bathroom bulb brush, to think this guy is doing a good job.

PAT: No.

GLENN: No. Nothing at all. Wow.

PAT: Well, that's why he trails in the Washington Post/ABC poll.

Did you see the results of that? Fifty-two, 42 percent.

Fifty-two to 42, Trump leads!

GLENN: Yeah. You think that's reliable?

PAT: It's Washington Post/ABC News. It's certainly not slanted toward Trump.

I mean, they have been wrong in the past, but all polls have been.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe this is -- let's see it happen again.

PAT: Yes.

I mean, it probably is an outlier. He's probably not up by ten.

But I think that Biden is in trouble, and that's why you're hearing the scuttlebutt in the Democrat Party.

GLENN: Right. You're also slipping with voters 18 to 24. He only has a 46 percent approval rating. Latinos, 43 percent.

Independents, who are going to decide the general election, at 36 percent.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Trump's lead in the G.O.P. primary, has surged ahead. He is now leading by 43 points.

PAT: That's incredible.

GLENN: That is incredible. Incredible.

He's the first choice among national Republican voters. At 59 percent.

So now, this is what you're starting to see, from people who love Joe Biden.

Because, you know, he was just out, the Congressional Black Caucus, which he thought he was at last week.

PAT: Yeah. He did.

GLENN: But it was the Congressional Latino caucus, right?

Hispanic Congress.

PAT: Yes, but he called them the black Congress.

GLENN: Black Congress. So I don't know if he thought he was at the Hispanic Conference this time.

But he was talking about LL Cool J.

PAT: He's brilliant. He's brilliant too. I think he will get a lot of support.

GLENN: You have heard it?

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Oh, I haven't heard it. I just read about it.

PAT: Yes. We do have it.

It is...

BIDEN: One of the greatest artist of our time. A legacy of hip-hop in America.

LL J Cool J. By the way, that boy has got -- that man has got biceps bigger than my thighs. I think he's --

GLENN: Wait. What?

BIDEN: Both of you, thank you.

GLENN: Okay. So LL Cool J. He knows him. He loves him.

PAT: He's got all his earlier works.

GLENN: And can I ask, when he sees somebody, a man in particular.

PAT: Yes. This is the thing now.

GLENN: Does he always --

PAT: Always. Every time, he has to mention their biceps. Or feel them.

Or say, that I wish I had you as my lock for me.

Because you're really hot.

GLENN: Really hot. Wow. I haven't heard the really hot part.

PAT: Well, they'll find it and play it for you. Because it's incredible.

GLENN: And then, again, with the boy.

PAT: Yeah. And he does that all the time.

But he caught himself this time, did you notice that? Man.

GLENN: I'm not a racist.

PAT: Wait a minute. I just showed my racist tendencies over there.

Man, I meant -- it's amazing. It's amazing.

GLENN: Wow. Wow.

PAT: And to screw up his name, when it's in front of him, in the teleprompter.

I don't understand it.

You know they went over this. Because -- and his aides have prepared him for this stuff.


PAT: Not that kind.

GLENN: Oh, I was like, he's more secretive than I thought.

PAT: Yeah. I know.

He does not have AIDS. So far as I know, he does not.

But then to screw up the name, what is the deal?

How big do they have to make the font for this guy?

GLENN: I mean, as a guy who screws up names all the time. But LL Cool J is not hard. Is not hard.

PAT: Not that hard.

GLENN: Well, he's in.

Anyway, there's -- there's an opinion now, from Newsweek. Mr. President, you're going to lose to Trump.

We're begging you to step down. This is Newsweek.

Listen to this. The old news about incumbents. If they're under 50 points in approval. They're toast.

President Joe Biden is under 40.

There's almost no chance, he will win. I've never heard of an incumbent polling under 40 points, who went to win the reelection. When it comes to Joe Biden. Three and six recent polls had him in the 30s.

In one recent poll, President Biden was an abysmal 32 percent.

Sorry, but that's unrecoverable. You're just telling yourself, sweet little lies, if you think he can win with those numbers.

I know what everyone in Washington is going to say next.

But that's not fair. He passed so many bills.

No one has passed this much legislation since Grover Cleveland, or something.

He passed the semi conductor bill.

I have bad news for you, if you're a Democrat. No one cares about the semi conductor bill or any of the other bills, that helped his donors so much. And coincidentally, a couple of other Americans as well.

Even if you love those bills, no American even knows about them. On the other hand, if you're a Republican, Biden is a godsend.

Especially if you're MAGA. There is no way Trump can beat anyone else. Another poll found that 59 percent of Americans, think Trump should end his campaign immediately, and quit life.

And quit life?

Or quit for life? What do you mean quit life?

PAT: Wow.

GLENN: Okay. They didn't say the last part. No. That's what they meant.

But they might have well meant. I've never seen a number that bad.

At the same poll, Trump came in at an abysmal 33 percent approval.

And how did Biden do at that poll?

Worse! At 32. MAGA should be doing everything they can, to keep Biden in the race.

He's their only hope. President Biden needs to step down immediately.

This is news weak.

Needs to step down immediately.

And give someone else a chance to do what they will.

And certainly, they will be able to accomplish a trounce of Trump in 2024.

I am a progressive. So even if I get my wish, and President Biden were to step down. I'm not overly fond of any of the corporate Democrats we have to choose from.

But if you're being honest, they would at least all beat Trump with a stick.

Not because they're so great. But because Trump is infinitely worse. And the American people know it.

Trump is also polling at 33 percent. And six out of ten Americans despise him.

And yet, Biden is still losing to him.

If you spend any time listening to people of power and media.

You'll have heard some version of the talking point, that Joe Biden is the only one that can beat Trump.

It's nonsense.

Based on what the data is.

And I don't understand how they're making this claim.

The truth is the exact opposite.

Biden is the only person who can't beat Trump. My left foot could beat Trump.

An open Dumpster fire can beat Trump.

This is when the DC establishment will handcuff. He beat him last time. Yes. Joe Biden won the electoral college by 44,000 votes in three swing states.

You know what that means? It means he almost lost to a complete buffoon who said we should inject disinfectants into our bodies to kill COVID. This is maddening.

PAT: It is.

GLENN: Biden won by the skin much his teeth to the ignoramus. And that is when he was ten to 15 points higher in approval. Let that sink in.

He was at least ten points higher, and he barely won last time. Spare me the useless talking point, of how he won by seven million votes.

That's true. But you wanted that to matter. Maybe you should have passed the freedom to vote act.


PAT: Jeez.

GLENN: But President Biden barely tried.

His donors apparently didn't press on that one. And God help the Democrats, if the nominee isn't Donald Trump. Then Biden has mathematically, a 0 percent chance of winning. Not even close.

Not within miles of choice. Joe Biden sees the same numbers we see. His team puts out talking points about how this is the most important election of our lifetime. How ten months is on the line. They're right. Yet, Biden sees the same devastating polling results we see, and concludes -- his ego concludes that he is more important than the election. And according to his own logic, democracy itself. I'm putting forward a petition, asking Joe Biden to drop out of the race, because unlike the president, I actually do believe democracy is on the line.

I don't want to go into that fateful election with a hobbled candidate, whose chances of winning are so low.

Why would we voluntarily make that mistake?

You can hate the messenger.

And you can think that an incumbent can win, even though they're in the 30s in approval. But that isn't going to change the inevitable.

Joe Biden is going to lose this election. We need a new candidate.

STU: When are people going to understand, we're not a democracy.

GLENN: That's what you pulled out of it.

That's what you pulled out of it.

PAT: That's part of what I pulled out.

It drives me out of my mind, out of my mind.

GLENN: I know it does.

Drives me crazy too. I'm with you.

PAT: Adults should understand that. But the other thing is --

GLENN: I got it. I got it.

PAT: I think -- I think Biden is the best chance, even though he's so compromised.

I -- if -- if Gavin Newsom gets into this race, I think he is fighting more than Biden. Because you have California as an example. California. Talk about a Dumpster fire.

That's the very definition of a Dumpster fire.

Show the city. Show Los Angeles. And San Francisco. And what these cities have become under this guy.

I think a Republican crushes Gavin Newsom.

GLENN: So what do you say about Michelle Obama?

PAT: Oh, that's the one problem spot. Where, if she decides to run, she wins.

That's my fear.

And she's maybe worse than Joe Biden. Not even maybe. She is --

GLENN: Oh, no. She is.

PAT: Except for the fact, that she has a faculty.

But those faculties are frightening. Because she hates America.

GLENN: Yeah. And she's a Marxist.

PAT: For sure.

GLENN: She's much more hard-core than her husband. She's Hillary Clinton on steroids.

PAT: She's a nightmare.

Yeah, I'm very much hopeful, she still isn't interested on running for office.

GLENN: I'm with you on that hope. We can dream.