RADIOFebruary 15, 2024

WE NEED ANSWERS: Why did Capitol Police MOVE Cameras Away from the Jan. 6 Pipe Bomb Scene?

Blaze Media has released exclusive footage that makes the Capitol Police’s actions after the discovery of a pipe bomb outside the DNC on Jan. 6, 2021, even more suspicious. Investigative journalist and Blaze Media correspondent Steve Baker joins Glenn to review the footage, which reveals that the Capitol Police moved CCTV security cameras AWAY from the crime scene as it was unfolding. Baker also reviews other oddities he has discovered related to bomb-sniffing dogs and the water cannon used to destroy the bomb that make him wonder if this whole thing was a diversionary tactic meant to remove Capitol Police officers from the Capitol before the riot. “It just screams, ‘setup,’” Glenn says. So, how much more info will come out before the DoJ arrests Baker, as it has promised to?

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Investigative idealist and Blaze media correspondent, Steve Baker joins us now.

Hi, Steve.

STEVE: Hey, good morning, Glenn.

GLENN: Weren't I supposed to be in jail now?

STEVE: Yeah. That's where I planned to spend the first quarter of this year.

GLENN: The last we spoke to you, the FBI had just notified, I think your attorney, that they were going to come pick you up for crimes unknown, yet.

They haven't told you what it's -- why they are going to arrest you.

But they said, they would be doing it in January, did they not?

STEVE: Yeah. Crimes against humanity. That's what I'm calling it now. But, yeah. It's one of those things yet again, where the DOJ has left me hanging the first time after their first threat.

They left me alone, for 20 months. Then they showed up again, with the grand jury subpoena. Then they left me alone for five months. And then they showed up again here, just before Christmas. And we backed them off, I think, with the media offensive that we did. A response.

And then they talked to my attorney, just before New Year's. And said that my self-surrender would be required, sometime in mid-January.

It would give me seven to ten days notice of that.

And then they went silent again. So we haven't heard from them. Here we are mid-February. And we know nothing.

GLENN: I mean, just so people understand, what the government is doing to people. This is happening all over with regular people. The DOJ is screwing with people's lives.

And, quite honestly, their sanity. Imagine you're being told by the FBI, with an unlimited amount of money, to convict, or to harass, or to build a case against you.

You have to think, oh, my gosh. At any time, I may be going to jail. I may have to be fighting this, and none of this is true.

And then they just leave. So that just -- that just hangs in your life, forever.

And then they call back, just as you're getting comfortable, I guess they forgot.

They call back. It's honestly, like a cancer center calling you and saying, hey, we have your results, and it looks like you have cancer. We'll let you know next week. And then you don't hear from them. And you can't get them on the phone.

Do I have cancer or not?

It's really cruel. Really cruel.

All right. So, Steve.

You have brought us footage now. This is never before seen. You released it earlier this week on Blaze TV media.

And it's footage of the January 6th pipe bomb. And the -- well, I would say the elimination of it.

But we don't, actually, see that. Set this clip up, will you?

STEVE: Yeah. The first clip that we have, that we released two days ago was the actual and most important cameras that were used in the investigation, saying -- we're talking about a camera that had been in a fixed position. We were able to go on the CCTV camera, a viewing room. And go as far back as December 28th, 2020.

And we see that that one camera number, called number 3173 had not moved for at least eight days prior to January 6th.

And then, the bomb was called in, by the Capitol police plainclothes officer.

Remember, we reported that about three weeks ago. And then when that officer made that report, and then we saw the very lackadaisical response by the Secret Service.

GLENN: Letting kids walk by the pipe bomb, within feet of the pipe bomb, and they didn't do anything.

STEVE: Yeah, Glenn, they were literally finishing their sandwiches before they got of the car to respond to a bomb with the vice president elect 15 feet away inside that building.

I mean, this is how absurd this situation is.

But nevertheless, on this camera, we see, suddenly, it is taken control of by the Capitol Police Command Center. They have an area where their big viewing room is and camera operators are, it's called The Pit. And when that was called in four minutes after the that plainclothes officer reported that, the camera starts zooming for the first time, and it starts scanning.

And it's panning around. And it's looking for the bomb. And then it pulls back. And it does this. And it moves around for about 20 or 30 minutes. Before finally somebody told that camera operator to move that camera off of the investigative scene. And it was pitched to a hard right, 90 degrees away from that.

And it remained there, until at least midnight of January 6th. Because I went and looked at all of those videos. All the way until the end of the day.

GLENN: So it is -- it is amazing to me.

Because the -- if I'm not mistaken, the -- well, let's watch the report.

Here it is.

VOICE: Capital CCTV camera, number 3173 was the most important camera covering the DNC pipe bomb story, event.

You've probably already seen Thomas Massie's release of the video in which it appears, that a capital police, plainclothes officer has discovered the bomb, and alerted the Secret Service and the metro police officers on the scene. You probably also seen, the bomb sniffing bomb.

And you may have already also seen the arrival of then vice president elect, Kamala Harris' motorcade.

What you haven't seen, is, well, what somebody in the Capitol Police command center, didn't want us to see.

And that's the actual investigation of the bomb scene.

What we're going to show you now, is how they hid that from us.
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What we were able to access, from the Capitol CCTV viewing room, is how long that camera, number 3173, had remained in that fixed position. We were able to go back as far as December 28th of 2020. Just eight days or so before the events of January 6th. And from that review, we can see that the camera's positioning was in that fixed position, days, weeks, months. But ultimately, it was only just these very few minutes after the bomb's discovery, that that camera began to move.
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The camera then the ban to move, pan, zoom in, looking for the bomb itself.

The one thing that we know for sure, camera 3173. Was the most crucial of all the cameras. It had the closest and the clearest view of what law enforcement's response, what their investigation and ultimately, the destruction and detonation, or the attempted detonation of the bomb would be, by the bomb squad, robot.

But inexplicably, and I'm getting tired of using that word, every single time, we do one of these investigations.

But that seems to be the key word, when it's related to January 6th.

Is that at approximately 1:30 p.m. camera number, 173 was remotely directed away from the scene, at about a 90-degree angle.

And then remained in this newly fixed position, away from the investigation, for the rest of the day. Or at least until midnight, on January 6th.
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Now, it might be assumed that this was an error, an accident. An oversight. Maybe somebody bumped the joystick, on camera number 3173.

Until we then review camera number 8020.

As we're seeing, the robot deployed, down the street. Headed towards the bomb.

Someone again, directs camera 8020, away from the investigation scene, and then fixes it, once again. And it seems like, at a hard right, 1900-degree angle. Away from the investigation. Once again.
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GLENN: It's incredible. Absolutely incredible.

STU: Why would they turn those cameras away from the investigative scene. Who ordered those cameras to be turned away?

What were we not allowed to see?

All right. So, Steve, give us some updates on what else we have found.

I know I read today, that there were bomb-sniffing dogs in the area.

And there's -- they gave no indication.

And I know, because I've had a bomb-sniffing dog before.

They -- they are relentless. And they would have found it, had it had any explosives in it, don't you think?

PAT: I would think so. Especially as haphazard as this particular device was put together.

And this is -- this is even more important, Glenn.

This is really the latest and most developing part of that story. We did, in fact, acquire the images of the destruction of this bomb, by the bomb robot.

In fact, we now have it up.

It's up on YouTube right now. It's about to be distributed across TheBlaze platforms today.

It's now up. But this is the story behind that.

Is that as late as 9 o'clock on Wednesday night.

When I was supposed to have these videos in my Dropbox from Congress.

I received a call from a senior congressional aid, who said, sorry. We can't give you these scenes and these images.

Why? We are being told that the technology is classified. And it's sensitive. And what has -- was used to destroy the pipe bomb, at the DNC headquarters. To which I responded, Glenn. I said, BS.

Because I said, you can go look on the department of Homeland Security's website and read the destruction of the -- or read the information with images and video, of the exact type of water disrupter cannon that was used to blow apart that bomb. And it's available freely to the public. As a matter of fact, you can buy this system yourself online.

And the patent holder has given it away for free.

Anybody can use it.

And yet they were -- the powers that be were telling me, we could not have it. Actually, they were lying to the Congress members. And telling them, that they couldn't give it to me.

And then what ended up happening, and thank goodness, you had it on here, a week or so ago. Representative Barry Loudermilk intervened.

And we want to -- look, him and his staff have just been absolutely invaluable to our investigations and our research.

But they intervened.

And by 7 o'clock, yesterday morning, we had the video.

GLENN: And that's available right now, and it will be on Blaze TV.

STEVE: Right now.

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So, Steve, where does this go from here?

This seems to me, to be a -- a diversion, because the -- they were both discovered about five minutes before the Capitol was stormed.

It was -- do you think this was to pull Capitol Police off of the Capitol?

And bring them here?

What do you think this was supposed to do.

STEVE: There were diversions. And they were meant to diminish the force. That was available, to protect the Capitol that day.

There's just no other way. There's no other reasonable explanation. Because the first bomb, the RNC bomb was founded about 10 or 15 minutes before that first barricade breach. The famous Ray Epps barricade breach line happened.

That happened at 12:52 p.m.

The bomb was founded about 10 minutes before that. Then the bomb -- or the breach happens at 12:52.

This group of people storm up to the west terrorists.

They begin to form another line up there.

And they already had to divert dozens of officers away from the Capitol. And already diminished police force anyway.

Because of the COVID protocols.

And because they did not want the -- as they said, they did not want the -- the optics of extra security there at the Capitol that day. And particularly, guys wearing the hard units. Or the National Guard.

The Robocop looking guys.

They didn't want any of the optics that take.

So what does it tell you, that the investigators, weren't really allowed to investigate.

They tracked one guy, to I think a home in Virginia.

And then they were told, go away, by the FBI. Just leave it alone.

There's nothing to see here.

What would the motivation be for a government, that is trying to track down every grandmother, who was anywhere near the Capitol? To not pay attention to this.

STEVE: Why would they issue a 500,000-dollar reward for information leading to the arrest of this bomber, and then take the extra step of hiding all the evidence from us.

I told them, when they did it. I said, make it 5 million. You're not planning on giving it away anyway.

GLENN: You know, it's -- it's just so clear, you know, that there may have been, you know, bad guys, you know, that were Trump supporters. Or not Trump supporters.

But there was this group of people. And all of the real leaders, the ones who like Ray Epps. Were causing people to go in, and encouraging them to go in.

You've got the guy on the tower. The scaffolding, that they can't find. They've got the two pipe bomb people. You can't find them.

It -- it just screams, setup.

PAT: Almost to a man, every single Capitol police officer, retired, who left the job. Who are still active with the force.

They all believe that they were set up that day.

The only ones who won't admit that, are the existing leadership.

But that's another story, and we're working on that as well.

GLENN: Hmm.

Steve, thank you so much.

I hope you stay out of jail.

You know, we're with you.

Steve baker. Investigative journalist.

Blaze media correspondent.

You can find his work at Blaze.com.

TheBlaze.com. Or on Blaze TV.

More footage, as he just said.

Exclusive. Now being released by Blaze media. More in a minute.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
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GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

Transcript

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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