RADIOOctober 11, 2022

Glenn: FBI arrest shows America is becoming a DARK COUNTRY

We’re at risk of changing from one of history’s greatest countries to one of its darkest, Glenn says. And we’re already starting to see the signs of that transformation. One of those signs, Glenn explains, is the recent weaponization of not only the Department of Justice, but more specifically the FBI. In this clip, Glenn tells the story of ANOTHER pro-life protester who recently was taken from his home by the FBI after receiving a misdemeanor from local police for his involvement in a peaceful protest. This is OUT OF CONTROL!

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GLENN: All right. I want to -- I want to play something from a podcast that I did on Friday. And we didn't really have time to promote. And I want you to watch or listen to the podcast. You can find it on YouTube. Or you can find it at Blaze TV. It's -- it's part of the subscription. And it is really, really good. We put it up on YouTube. On my YouTube page. Because you really need to hear this. It's 35 minutes. But I'm telling you, it will be the best 35 minutes you will spend probably all week. It is a professor of psychology. And he was going through covid. And he realized that -- he's from Europe. He realized that what countries were doing. Didn't make any sense.

You know, he said, everybody in Sweden was going to die. Because Sweden wouldn't about it along with the rest of the world. And he said, when that didn't happen, you would expect people to go, oh, look. What is Sweden doing? It didn't really make a difference. When he must do that, then the mask went. Then let's just try an experimental drug without anybody trying anything about it.

He said, I realized, we were at a different place as a world. So he started doing research. And it took him back, really. To authoritarianism. Which he says is very different.

Because that is something that the mass participates in. For instance, Germans. Germans weren't being held by a dictator. They were being held by an ideology.

An idea, that was running through Hitler. Listen to what he says here.

VOICE: When you're anxious and you do not know what you feel anxious for, you feel completely out of control. But if you start to believe that your anxiety is caused by something, no matter whether it's true or not, and there is a strategy to deal with that something, then you have an experience of control. You feel in control again.

And also, you have an object to direct all your frustration and aggression on. So that's the first psychological advantage. The first step of mass formation, or the first psychological advantage of mass formation.

And then a second step, something even more important happens. Because so many people participate in a strategy, for instance, lockdowns. But it could also be the concentration camps. Or crusades. Because so many people participate in the strategy to deal with the object of anxiety, they have the feeling to fight the collective heroic battle with the object of anxiety. And they feel connected again. Their loneliness disappears. And they have a feeling of a new sense making again. You could say, of course. What's the problem? People felt lonely. And now, they feel connected again. They were confronted with a lack of meaning, maybe. And now, they have the feeling that their life makes sense again.

And they felt out of control, about their anxiety. And now they feel in control again. So what is the problem? There is a problem.

First, it always has to be a scapegoat. That's whom all this frustration, aggression can be directed. And also, even more important, this new social bond.

This new connectedness is not a social bond between individuals. It's always a social bond between the individual.

Between each individual, separately, and the collective.

Meaning that in a match, the famous citizenship, the famous solidarity, that is so typical for mass formation is never a solidarity between individuals. It's always a solidarity between individuals and the collective. Meaning that, and it is even the case. That the longer the mass formation exists, lasts, the more all solidarity and love is sucked away from the bonds between individuals, and injected in the bonds between the individual and the collective.

And that makes that, in the end, solidarity with the collective, is much bigger than a solidarity with other individuals. Leading to the famous paranoid state in totalitarian systems, where every individual is willing to snitch on every other individual. To report every other individual to the state, if they have the feeling, that this other individual doesn't show enough solidarity to the collective. In the end, this leads typically, I've been talking with this woman, who lived in Iran, during the revolution there, which was a huge scale of mass formation. And she told me, how she has seen, how a mother reported her son to the state. And how this mother hung the noose around his neck when he was on the scaffold. And when he was hung, she claimed to be a heroine for doing what she did.

That is a dramatic end stage of mass formation. That's what we have to avoid, that it goes to this end stage.

GLENN: So --

PAT: What a brilliant explanation.

GLENN: He is under attack.

PAT: Wow. Oh, I bet.

GLENN: All of the elites are saying, this guy say right-wing enabler. He's not right. He's not right-wing.

I've read the book. You should read the book. It is -- it is called the psychology of totalitarianism.

It is right on the money.

And it is why I have said to a for a long time. If we go dark, if we go dark, you know, evil doesn't destroy things. It perverts things.

And twists things. Look at what's happened to the word equality.

Equality has been perverted. Freedom of speech is perverted.

PAT: Tolerance.

GLENN: Tolerance. All of it is perverted.

They don't destroy it, they pervert it.

So what do you think is going to happen to us, with all of our technology? All of the -- the weapons, alone, that we have?

We will become the darkest country that will ever be on the face of the earth. We will go from the greatest country to the most terrifying country. Mark my words, it will happen.

Because we're already starting to see signs.

We're starting to see signs of doctors. Doctors, saying, if you didn't get the COVID-19, why should I even treat you? Why should I even treat you for anything?

I saw an op-ed from -- well, it was a Medium post of a doctor in Los Angeles. That said, this person, I was working on, hated black people.

And, you know, I'm antiracist.

Do I have to help him?

Am I -- am I required to help him?

Yes.

PAT: According to the oath you took. Absolutely.

GLENN: Right. You are. You are.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: So when doctors and nurses are starting to say this. And you're also hearing this -- let me just give you the FBI story.

So the FBI, we know, has now deemed parents, who speak up against their kids being, you know,ed to go to a transgender show.

Or reading books, that are wholly inappropriate. Or having pedophilia normalized. Or have them question their gender.

All things. All of those.

We knew were bad. Five years ago. Five years ago, we knew all of those things were bad. We didn't even have to say it. Because everybody knew it.

So today, it's fine. And the FBI -- forget about Washington. I'm talking about the local FBI.

The one that is in your state or your city.

They are now being called upon, to -- to investigate parents, who stand up against this. Or, they're going after and busting with handcuffs, 84-year-old people.

The latest bust, happened last week. The pro-life father of 11 children. This is not the one, you heard at the beginning of the week. This one happened on Wednesday.

Federal Bureau of Investigation, arrested a pro-life father of 11, charging him with conspiracy. Who is the conspiracy theorist?

Conspiracy, against rights secured by the face act. And committing face act violations. Remind me, Sara, I have to come back to the word conspiracy, and how they're using it here.

He said, when I opened the door and saw the guns pointed at me, they had long rifles, I asked them what they wanted. They said, they were looking -- what they were looking for, what they said they wanted was me. I had kids in the yard, walking out to get in the car to go to school. I was about to take them to school. The other kids were in the house. So seeing that the easiest path to deescalation was me in handcuffs, I stepped outside and put an end to the ranting and the banging and the yelling.

After the FBI put him in handcuffs in the car, he said his wife came outside. She had been at the back of the house with their 18-month-old baby. She said, I want to know why you were banging on my door with a gun, she said. You're not going to tell me anything?

The agent replied -- and I've heard the tape -- no, we're not. And she said, you're not going to tell me? And he said, I tried. She said, no, you didn't. And he said -- and he just got a in the car. She talked to all the agents. None of them would even answer her. It was really horrible. Horrible.

Now, here's the interesting thing. Eleven of the advocates, they were pro-life advocates. They were charged with the violation of freedom of access to clinic entrances act, for blocking an abortion clinic, in 2021. So this is not a new thing.

By the way, nobody contacted him. Nobody -- no lawyer contacted him. It took him hours to get a lawyer. And a lawyer to figure out, what the heck was going on. After he was charged, he was just let go. He didn't have a cell phone. He didn't have a wallet. And he was in a T-shirt and pair of pants.

And he was 60 miles away from home. He said, what I told the agents that arrested me on the ride into town, since we had a nice hour of fellowship, is that this is a beautiful tactic. If you want to suppress free speech. And you want to strike fear and intimidation into opposition, you weaponize justice to go after someone to suppress. If you can get a large family, like mine, you can also get all the children. Because all the children will have a memory of growing up with the big, bad agents banging on the door and taking away their dad. I think just the opposite, quite honestly. I think the -- I think the opposite is true.

I think the family and the children grow up thinking bad things about the government. Now, he has gone into more details about what was happening. He said, his wife was still shaking and fighting back tears, as he was being carted off. The family didn't receive any official information about the cause of the raid or Vaughn's whereabouts until six hours after the arrest. He was held in a federal holding facility and brought before a judge, charged, and then released without a wallet or cell phone. For over six hours, no one knew where I was, and why I was kidnapped from my home at gun point. It took a good attorney six hours to be able to break through the bureaucracy and find somebody who knew what was going on.

Vaughn pled not guilty to the charges, and promised to fight the legal battle to the fullest. In a statement to Town Home, Vaughn called the FBI paid thugs, out of an out-of-control Justice Department that must be reined in, immediately.
Now, if this isn't bad enough --

PAT: And it is.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

If this isn't bad enough, Vaughn wasn't even at the sit-in. He wasn't even there. Out -- this will blow your mind.

I'll tell you what his participation was, in 60 seconds.
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GLENN: So this guy and ten others, were arrested for a -- a sit-in. A sit-in.

March 2021. Did you know that you could protest and be in a sit-in, that's happened all through the '60s, and you could get 11 years in prison now. Eleven years.

Vaughn, the guy I just told you about, he didn't even participate in the sit-in. So what was his role?

He acted as a mediator between the pro-life people, who participated, and law enforcement locally, to ensure the protest was safe, peaceful, and as legal as possible.

That's why, it was -- it was coordinated, as these things always are. It was coordinated. He had called the -- the look like police, and said, hey. Look, we're going to do a sit-in on this day. What do we need to do, to make sure that we're as legal as possible?

And they said, well, you have to do this, this, and this. And it would be a misdemeanor. So we will take you away, but you'll be charged with a misdemeanor. Okay. Great.

So he's the guy that mediated with the local police. They all got a misdemeanors. Which was 100 percent appropriate. And what happens? The Justice Department gets wind of yet another local misdemeanor, and decides to make it a felony.

This is out of control. Now, let me bring it back, to the psychology of totalitarianism. If this was happening to any protester that was peacefully protesting. Peacefully. Would you be for 11 years in prison, and the FBI not giving them a chance to surrender?

Now, Antifa, I'm all for it. I'm talking about somebody who has called the local cops. Doesn't want to, you know, burn anybody down. They're totally cool. They're in their '60s, '70s, '80s. And maybe they have their grandchildren with them. And they have done all of that. Do you want the FBI involved in this?

I don't. I don't.

PAT: I'm wondering how they even were. What was this, that makes this, earmarks the act is probably --

GLENN: It's federal.

PAT: The face act.

GLENN: Yeah. And they are making this. You're not supposed to be able to stop someone, from going in to an abortion clinic.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: Well, the last week, it -- it wasn't. The hallway was clear. Person could come in. They were singing and praying.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Okay? That's what they were doing. The sit-in, I'm assuming they're doing the same thing. I don't know if they actually blocked the door. But that is federal.

But is this justice in America?

You already have half the population remaining silent, on the abuse from the FBI. Remaining silent, on all of the stuff, that has gone on. And is actually sitting there, and remaining silent, when a president of the United States says, you know, anybody who voted for Trump. 90 million people. They're all terrorists.

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Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Shocking train video: Passengers wait while woman bleeds out

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.