RADIOOctober 11, 2022

Glenn: FBI arrest shows America is becoming a DARK COUNTRY

We’re at risk of changing from one of history’s greatest countries to one of its darkest, Glenn says. And we’re already starting to see the signs of that transformation. One of those signs, Glenn explains, is the recent weaponization of not only the Department of Justice, but more specifically the FBI. In this clip, Glenn tells the story of ANOTHER pro-life protester who recently was taken from his home by the FBI after receiving a misdemeanor from local police for his involvement in a peaceful protest. This is OUT OF CONTROL!

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GLENN: All right. I want to -- I want to play something from a podcast that I did on Friday. And we didn't really have time to promote. And I want you to watch or listen to the podcast. You can find it on YouTube. Or you can find it at Blaze TV. It's -- it's part of the subscription. And it is really, really good. We put it up on YouTube. On my YouTube page. Because you really need to hear this. It's 35 minutes. But I'm telling you, it will be the best 35 minutes you will spend probably all week. It is a professor of psychology. And he was going through covid. And he realized that -- he's from Europe. He realized that what countries were doing. Didn't make any sense.

You know, he said, everybody in Sweden was going to die. Because Sweden wouldn't about it along with the rest of the world. And he said, when that didn't happen, you would expect people to go, oh, look. What is Sweden doing? It didn't really make a difference. When he must do that, then the mask went. Then let's just try an experimental drug without anybody trying anything about it.

He said, I realized, we were at a different place as a world. So he started doing research. And it took him back, really. To authoritarianism. Which he says is very different.

Because that is something that the mass participates in. For instance, Germans. Germans weren't being held by a dictator. They were being held by an ideology.

An idea, that was running through Hitler. Listen to what he says here.

VOICE: When you're anxious and you do not know what you feel anxious for, you feel completely out of control. But if you start to believe that your anxiety is caused by something, no matter whether it's true or not, and there is a strategy to deal with that something, then you have an experience of control. You feel in control again.

And also, you have an object to direct all your frustration and aggression on. So that's the first psychological advantage. The first step of mass formation, or the first psychological advantage of mass formation.

And then a second step, something even more important happens. Because so many people participate in a strategy, for instance, lockdowns. But it could also be the concentration camps. Or crusades. Because so many people participate in the strategy to deal with the object of anxiety, they have the feeling to fight the collective heroic battle with the object of anxiety. And they feel connected again. Their loneliness disappears. And they have a feeling of a new sense making again. You could say, of course. What's the problem? People felt lonely. And now, they feel connected again. They were confronted with a lack of meaning, maybe. And now, they have the feeling that their life makes sense again.

And they felt out of control, about their anxiety. And now they feel in control again. So what is the problem? There is a problem.

First, it always has to be a scapegoat. That's whom all this frustration, aggression can be directed. And also, even more important, this new social bond.

This new connectedness is not a social bond between individuals. It's always a social bond between the individual.

Between each individual, separately, and the collective.

Meaning that in a match, the famous citizenship, the famous solidarity, that is so typical for mass formation is never a solidarity between individuals. It's always a solidarity between individuals and the collective. Meaning that, and it is even the case. That the longer the mass formation exists, lasts, the more all solidarity and love is sucked away from the bonds between individuals, and injected in the bonds between the individual and the collective.

And that makes that, in the end, solidarity with the collective, is much bigger than a solidarity with other individuals. Leading to the famous paranoid state in totalitarian systems, where every individual is willing to snitch on every other individual. To report every other individual to the state, if they have the feeling, that this other individual doesn't show enough solidarity to the collective. In the end, this leads typically, I've been talking with this woman, who lived in Iran, during the revolution there, which was a huge scale of mass formation. And she told me, how she has seen, how a mother reported her son to the state. And how this mother hung the noose around his neck when he was on the scaffold. And when he was hung, she claimed to be a heroine for doing what she did.

That is a dramatic end stage of mass formation. That's what we have to avoid, that it goes to this end stage.

GLENN: So --

PAT: What a brilliant explanation.

GLENN: He is under attack.

PAT: Wow. Oh, I bet.

GLENN: All of the elites are saying, this guy say right-wing enabler. He's not right. He's not right-wing.

I've read the book. You should read the book. It is -- it is called the psychology of totalitarianism.

It is right on the money.

And it is why I have said to a for a long time. If we go dark, if we go dark, you know, evil doesn't destroy things. It perverts things.

And twists things. Look at what's happened to the word equality.

Equality has been perverted. Freedom of speech is perverted.

PAT: Tolerance.

GLENN: Tolerance. All of it is perverted.

They don't destroy it, they pervert it.

So what do you think is going to happen to us, with all of our technology? All of the -- the weapons, alone, that we have?

We will become the darkest country that will ever be on the face of the earth. We will go from the greatest country to the most terrifying country. Mark my words, it will happen.

Because we're already starting to see signs.

We're starting to see signs of doctors. Doctors, saying, if you didn't get the COVID-19, why should I even treat you? Why should I even treat you for anything?

I saw an op-ed from -- well, it was a Medium post of a doctor in Los Angeles. That said, this person, I was working on, hated black people.

And, you know, I'm antiracist.

Do I have to help him?

Am I -- am I required to help him?

Yes.

PAT: According to the oath you took. Absolutely.

GLENN: Right. You are. You are.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: So when doctors and nurses are starting to say this. And you're also hearing this -- let me just give you the FBI story.

So the FBI, we know, has now deemed parents, who speak up against their kids being, you know,ed to go to a transgender show.

Or reading books, that are wholly inappropriate. Or having pedophilia normalized. Or have them question their gender.

All things. All of those.

We knew were bad. Five years ago. Five years ago, we knew all of those things were bad. We didn't even have to say it. Because everybody knew it.

So today, it's fine. And the FBI -- forget about Washington. I'm talking about the local FBI.

The one that is in your state or your city.

They are now being called upon, to -- to investigate parents, who stand up against this. Or, they're going after and busting with handcuffs, 84-year-old people.

The latest bust, happened last week. The pro-life father of 11 children. This is not the one, you heard at the beginning of the week. This one happened on Wednesday.

Federal Bureau of Investigation, arrested a pro-life father of 11, charging him with conspiracy. Who is the conspiracy theorist?

Conspiracy, against rights secured by the face act. And committing face act violations. Remind me, Sara, I have to come back to the word conspiracy, and how they're using it here.

He said, when I opened the door and saw the guns pointed at me, they had long rifles, I asked them what they wanted. They said, they were looking -- what they were looking for, what they said they wanted was me. I had kids in the yard, walking out to get in the car to go to school. I was about to take them to school. The other kids were in the house. So seeing that the easiest path to deescalation was me in handcuffs, I stepped outside and put an end to the ranting and the banging and the yelling.

After the FBI put him in handcuffs in the car, he said his wife came outside. She had been at the back of the house with their 18-month-old baby. She said, I want to know why you were banging on my door with a gun, she said. You're not going to tell me anything?

The agent replied -- and I've heard the tape -- no, we're not. And she said, you're not going to tell me? And he said, I tried. She said, no, you didn't. And he said -- and he just got a in the car. She talked to all the agents. None of them would even answer her. It was really horrible. Horrible.

Now, here's the interesting thing. Eleven of the advocates, they were pro-life advocates. They were charged with the violation of freedom of access to clinic entrances act, for blocking an abortion clinic, in 2021. So this is not a new thing.

By the way, nobody contacted him. Nobody -- no lawyer contacted him. It took him hours to get a lawyer. And a lawyer to figure out, what the heck was going on. After he was charged, he was just let go. He didn't have a cell phone. He didn't have a wallet. And he was in a T-shirt and pair of pants.

And he was 60 miles away from home. He said, what I told the agents that arrested me on the ride into town, since we had a nice hour of fellowship, is that this is a beautiful tactic. If you want to suppress free speech. And you want to strike fear and intimidation into opposition, you weaponize justice to go after someone to suppress. If you can get a large family, like mine, you can also get all the children. Because all the children will have a memory of growing up with the big, bad agents banging on the door and taking away their dad. I think just the opposite, quite honestly. I think the -- I think the opposite is true.

I think the family and the children grow up thinking bad things about the government. Now, he has gone into more details about what was happening. He said, his wife was still shaking and fighting back tears, as he was being carted off. The family didn't receive any official information about the cause of the raid or Vaughn's whereabouts until six hours after the arrest. He was held in a federal holding facility and brought before a judge, charged, and then released without a wallet or cell phone. For over six hours, no one knew where I was, and why I was kidnapped from my home at gun point. It took a good attorney six hours to be able to break through the bureaucracy and find somebody who knew what was going on.

Vaughn pled not guilty to the charges, and promised to fight the legal battle to the fullest. In a statement to Town Home, Vaughn called the FBI paid thugs, out of an out-of-control Justice Department that must be reined in, immediately.
Now, if this isn't bad enough --

PAT: And it is.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

If this isn't bad enough, Vaughn wasn't even at the sit-in. He wasn't even there. Out -- this will blow your mind.

I'll tell you what his participation was, in 60 seconds.
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GLENN: So this guy and ten others, were arrested for a -- a sit-in. A sit-in.

March 2021. Did you know that you could protest and be in a sit-in, that's happened all through the '60s, and you could get 11 years in prison now. Eleven years.

Vaughn, the guy I just told you about, he didn't even participate in the sit-in. So what was his role?

He acted as a mediator between the pro-life people, who participated, and law enforcement locally, to ensure the protest was safe, peaceful, and as legal as possible.

That's why, it was -- it was coordinated, as these things always are. It was coordinated. He had called the -- the look like police, and said, hey. Look, we're going to do a sit-in on this day. What do we need to do, to make sure that we're as legal as possible?

And they said, well, you have to do this, this, and this. And it would be a misdemeanor. So we will take you away, but you'll be charged with a misdemeanor. Okay. Great.

So he's the guy that mediated with the local police. They all got a misdemeanors. Which was 100 percent appropriate. And what happens? The Justice Department gets wind of yet another local misdemeanor, and decides to make it a felony.

This is out of control. Now, let me bring it back, to the psychology of totalitarianism. If this was happening to any protester that was peacefully protesting. Peacefully. Would you be for 11 years in prison, and the FBI not giving them a chance to surrender?

Now, Antifa, I'm all for it. I'm talking about somebody who has called the local cops. Doesn't want to, you know, burn anybody down. They're totally cool. They're in their '60s, '70s, '80s. And maybe they have their grandchildren with them. And they have done all of that. Do you want the FBI involved in this?

I don't. I don't.

PAT: I'm wondering how they even were. What was this, that makes this, earmarks the act is probably --

GLENN: It's federal.

PAT: The face act.

GLENN: Yeah. And they are making this. You're not supposed to be able to stop someone, from going in to an abortion clinic.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: Well, the last week, it -- it wasn't. The hallway was clear. Person could come in. They were singing and praying.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Okay? That's what they were doing. The sit-in, I'm assuming they're doing the same thing. I don't know if they actually blocked the door. But that is federal.

But is this justice in America?

You already have half the population remaining silent, on the abuse from the FBI. Remaining silent, on all of the stuff, that has gone on. And is actually sitting there, and remaining silent, when a president of the United States says, you know, anybody who voted for Trump. 90 million people. They're all terrorists.

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Cracker Barrel CEO speaks out about DISASTROUS logo in exclusive upcoming interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

THIS Epstein quote could PROVE Trump’s real ties to the scandal

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

What did he mean?

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

Transcript

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.