RADIOOctober 13, 2023

INSANE: Biden tries to tie Israel aid to UKRAINE?!

The Biden administration wants to tie Israel aid to Ukraine, Taiwan, and border funding and Rep. Chip Roy is furious: "Is there a swampier friggin' thing to do?!" Rep. Roy joins Glenn to discuss the latest Israel news as well as the Speaker of the House debate. After a vote among Republicans, Rep. Steve Scalise barely beat Rep. Jim Jordan. But some Republicans, like Roy, aren't done fighting yet. Rep. He explains why he's "still gonna be advocating" for Jim Jordan and why he's furious with how his party handled the vote: "They took our good-faith effort...and man, they called in all the usual plays."

Transcript

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GLENN: Chip Roy.

CHIP: Glenn, how are you, sir?

GLENN: Well, probably about as good as you are. What are we to make -- first of all, what the hell happened?

CHIP: Well, first of all, I am good because I have my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and we're on the planet for a brief spell. Okay?

GLENN: Yes.

CHIP: Second of all, this too shall pass. This country has gone through a lot. We have to figure out, now how to change its course. You and I have talked about it repeatedly on this show. We're going to have a vote today.

Led by obviously, not just -- let's be clear. There's at least six or seven, maybe eight guys.

Who reflect the frustration of the American people.

Who believe the status quo is unacceptable. And I 100 percent agree with them.

We have a tactical difference on timing.

I don't believe if you yank the coach at the beginning of the fourth quarter -- you play the coach through the fourth quarter. To me, that's some time through December. When we continued to play on the Ukraine issue and on the spending and appropriations bill. Because we all asked to get it done. Yes. By September 30th. But in truth, that's only happened four times in 50 years, in my lifetime. I want to play this out. That being said, let me just tell you, if you'll indulge me for one minute. Maybe two.

This is the speech that I read through the Republican conference this morning.

I said that no matter what happens with the speaker at the moment. If nothing changes, we will be campaigning on March 31st, with a leading candidate be who has a number of variables, just to put it mildly.

We will be campaigning March 31st, on the following: An extension of the debt ceiling until January 25, for $4 trillion. Done with Democrats.

A Ukraine funding of an additional ex-billion dollars. That's what the Republican establishment wants unless we fight it. I believe well over 50 billion, Glenn, if we don't fight it.

Unoffset, unpaid for. 16 billion of disaster packets that was just passed on a CR, not paid for. Even if we do the appropriation bills. Go to Congress. And there's a 50/50 chance we don't get jammed and rolled with an omnibus bill.

Maybe we get the 1 percent cut in spending, the debt deal got done. Maybe. But we blow past it with 100 million of supplemental spending. Inflation Reduction Act, remains fully intact.

The IRS remains 80 percent expanded and intact. We will likely not impeach Mayorkas.

It's 50/50 at best, if we want to impeach Biden, depending on what happens with the efforts.

We will not have full COVID reckoning. We will not have passed a ten-year balanced budget. The DOD will likely still be roped, and no accountability for Afghanistan.

The DOJ will likely still be weaponized. And importantly, the Senate will try to confuse everybody with a shiny object. Crappy border security package. Linked back in the Ukraine, and say, we did it. We secured the border, and we still needed 50 billion or 80 billion in Ukraine funding. But we secured the border.

And it will be garbage. The only thing standing in the way of that being the truth, and us changing it, is a small group of us willing to try to fight.

I will not throw my friends under the bus, who want to call to question. I will -- I will stick with my tactical position, that I'm not going to currently today, agree.

I will vote to table the motion, because I would give a month, to go figure this out, headed to Thanksgiving. Because we've been talking through these things.

But we're going to proceed either way, Glenn. We're going to lock arms, and figure out how to fight, change this. Because the list I just read to you, is unacceptable.

GLENN: Okay. So here's what's going to happen. He won't be removed today.

And nothing will happen in the next 45 days. And then coincidentally, I don't know if you've done the math. Forty-five days brings us right to the holidays. So we're right there to Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Where everything, always goes -- and is buried by Congress at that time.

So, you know, if -- if you don't get it done, this next time in 45 days. It doesn't happen. And then you will have to replace them. And here's my question. With whom?

What is the game plan?

Who is it that you're going to -- not you. But the -- the good guys. That are standing up. Who is it, that they're going to get, because there are people now afraid we can get a Democrat in there?

CHIP: Well, that, of course, was the argument last January. I -- again, do not support tactic for the reason you just described. Because I believe, we need to force the conference to a reckoning. Because let's be honest, speaker reflects the conference. When I read the thing, I just read to you, this morning in a Republican conference meeting. Crickets. Crickets.

The vast majority of Republicans, are totally fine with increasing spending. Kicking the can down the road. Saying, oh. The next president will say this. Oh, we need to win the Senate. Oh, we need a bigger majority. Look, I understand the difficulty of the moment. So do you, Glenn.

Neither you now I expect us to get something we want, in this divided government. But at some point, you have to pick a major fight and mean it. Democrats do that all the time.

GLENN: All the time.

CHIP: When will we pick major fights and mean it? If we will throw down on the board, and that means accepting some Ukraine spending, and I would prefer not to.

Then let's pick that fight. If we need to kill all dollars to Ukraine. And that means, we're not going to address the border. Okay. Let's pick that fight.

I can't get -- a -- a clear signal from our leadership, as to what path we are going to choose to go win these fights. So to answer your question. Look, I'm staying focused on the policy, as we speak this morning, I'm having conversation with the senators, people here, trying to figure out, how we define the border, the way it needs to be confined.

Have meetings this morning, a case to restrain Ukraine spending. And a case for why that's not in our best -- our national interests.

Make the case for why we need to constrain spending on the appropriations package, on the rules committee last night. Holding the line. A lot of good things have occurred this year. The border bill is phenomenal. Right? The bill we put together for Limit Save Grow, was phenomenal. The National Defense Authorization Act is conservative. The DOD appropriation bill was pretty strong. But all of that goes out the window if you don't finish the job. So my position is, finish the job. And we hold accountable. If they end up vacating today, well, we will have to go find a speaker.

GLENN: So tell me what the speaker's plan is. You know, he says, 45 days, then we will pass all these things. That's such bullcrap. I wanted him to prove me wrong. But I don't believe it. We're going to come down at the end of the 45 days. Shut down the cars. And they're going to fold again. What's his plan?

CHIP: That is my problem, Glenn. This is the question I continue to force. At this point, my tactical choice would be to do what I was doing yesterday and the day before and last week, after the Saturday decision on the 45-day VR. Which is to sit down and say, Mr. Speaker, we have got to get this done before Thanksgiving.

They the Democrats want the Ukraine funding more than anything in the world. And we the Republicans want border security.

And we want to hold down spending, at a bare minimum.

So what are we going to do to make that happen? He assumes to have that -- his speakership, if he even survives this week, on accomplishing that objective.

Holding Ukraine to some level, that matches the conference perspective, spread out over time, with border security attached, and use the appropriations process.

Let me give you another example, without giving away individual names of the private meeting. An individual, who was very conservative/more populist Libertarian. Made an impassioned speech for why our processes and openness, is a massive change, compared to Boehner and Paul Ryan.

I mean, the American people don't care about that. Right? I mean, they might care a little. But they want results. But this is moving the Titanic around. The reason you all know what all is happening, is because we've opened it up. We're telling it in realtime. We're forcing votes. We're having amendments. But we're not getting the results we want. Because our conference, frankly, isn't strongly conservative enough, on the Senate side. So we're trying to manage through that process. And get to a result, where we actually cut spending. Actually hold the supplementals. Actually refuse to restrict, constrain Ukraine.

Actually secure the border. I've been giving up on that, even though you and I are both frustrated as you would expect.

GLENN: So, Chip, first of all, I don't want you to feel my frustration is pointed to you at all. Because I pray for you this weekend.

He has got to be just beside himself. Because I know how hard you're working on this.

Do you -- have you been struggling at all with, am I being duped?

Because I know I would be, if I were you.

I would probably do exactly what I would do in you. Because it seems reasonable for me. But I feel like, I would be saying, yeah. But, I mean -- why should I trust them?

CHIP: So you shouldn't. To ever and I don't. I trust no one for the most part, in this town. Particularly those who have been here for a long time. We are in a process, in my opinion, of breaking this town, and creating coalitions in which we can trust each other. I am talking right now to my colleagues I disagree with a little bit on their timing and tactics. Because I respect what they're trying to do.

There are colleagues, that I don't respect what they're trying to do.

They think it's about showboating. Or grandstanding. Or fundraising.

It's not. You know, they might raise money. That's politics.

But at the end of the day, it's because they're tired watching, the same old, same old. The status quo.

Again, Glenn, I want to reiterate. To all the listeners. Why won't you join it?

Well, I might at some point. The issue here is how we navigate from right now, to a place where we can go try to get the American people forward. Our country can't wait to keep us for Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. Or anyone else to get in and shape things up at the White House without massive damage. For me, I want a victory for the people. Not just a political victory. So that, crickets. Your conference. Your Republican conference.

I want every listener out there to know, while they're moving in the right direction, at the end of the day, their reflex is still to be totally okay with increased spending.

Totally okay. Well, we might have to deal with the border at some point.

Totally okay with more money with Ukraine to push back.

And so, I'm just telling you, you get the Speaker, that reflects the conference.

Some of us are trying to shift that.

And it doesn't happen as fast as you or I, or your listeners would like.

GLENN: Well, it doesn't sound like an extremist to me. It sounds like a constitutionalist, and someone who is trying to think it out.

When you say crickets, I just want to make sure I understand, not because they're shocked like, oh, crap. We're in trouble. But because they didn't see a problem with it.

GLENN: Well, I would state it this way.

In fact, one member got us, and said, we can't address those things. Until we have the White House.

To which I say, poppycock. That's just not true.

There are -- we can't do all. But I can't possibly say, you and I, with the 221 majority, can kill Ukraine, fully secure the border, gut spending, to the levels you and I would do it.

Fire Mayorkas. You know, I get it. But can we get one of those damn things?

One! Right? Give me an actual spending cut that I can be proud of. Don't just pour molten crap. Supplemental spending.

Actually secure the border.

Don't think, well, it has to be a bicameral, bipartisan bill to get it through. No. Kiss my ass.

You want Ukraine funding, then give me the border.

Okay? All right. You don't want to cut that deal? Fine.

Give me a win.

That we can go to the people and say, we fought for you, and we won.

That's what I'm trying to tell the conference. Some are there.

I have a whole lot of text messages, in that room saying, hey. Thank you for saying that. But you know what, that still doesn't get us there.

Because the conference has to be moved. You guys are moving them. Don't give up.

Hold the line. But don't roast everybody in a stupid social media, you know, attack. If you don't -- it's tactical, Glenn, right?

Chip Roy is a RINO. Fine. Call me a RINO. I don't give a damn. What I'm saying is, don't go after Daize (phonetic) for being a showboat. And don't go after Chip Roy for being a RINO if you disagree on the tactics. You have a block of people from the 20, and it's growing -- who are fed up.

And that doesn't give you much, but it gets you a lot. When you're talking about, we're building momentum here.

Don't lose faith. We're years into this mess in Washington.

And we don't have the White House. We don't have the Senate.

And we have 221, in the freaking House.

So we're trying to move the needle.

I'm not going to lay down on this.

I'm not going to roll over us.

With the Ukraine funding.

Without if we go to border security.

Ukraine funding. We have to offset supplements.

These are the fights, we have right now. And we have to keep fighting.

GLENN: Chip, I'm out of time. I just need a simple answer.

How many votes do they need to oust him today? What's the number?

CHIP: I don't 100 percent know. Because I don't know how many Democrats are here, that matters. I think you will get -- I don't know. Seven or eight. Who will be -- who will vote no at the table, and can we get to the motion to vacate.

We may be in a position where we're choosing the Speaker. We'll see what happens the next three hours.

GLENN: Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Chip Roy.

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

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Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.