RADIOOctober 13, 2023

INSANE: Biden tries to tie Israel aid to UKRAINE?!

The Biden administration wants to tie Israel aid to Ukraine, Taiwan, and border funding and Rep. Chip Roy is furious: "Is there a swampier friggin' thing to do?!" Rep. Roy joins Glenn to discuss the latest Israel news as well as the Speaker of the House debate. After a vote among Republicans, Rep. Steve Scalise barely beat Rep. Jim Jordan. But some Republicans, like Roy, aren't done fighting yet. Rep. He explains why he's "still gonna be advocating" for Jim Jordan and why he's furious with how his party handled the vote: "They took our good-faith effort...and man, they called in all the usual plays."

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GLENN: Chip Roy.

CHIP: Glenn, how are you, sir?

GLENN: Well, probably about as good as you are. What are we to make -- first of all, what the hell happened?

CHIP: Well, first of all, I am good because I have my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and we're on the planet for a brief spell. Okay?

GLENN: Yes.

CHIP: Second of all, this too shall pass. This country has gone through a lot. We have to figure out, now how to change its course. You and I have talked about it repeatedly on this show. We're going to have a vote today.

Led by obviously, not just -- let's be clear. There's at least six or seven, maybe eight guys.

Who reflect the frustration of the American people.

Who believe the status quo is unacceptable. And I 100 percent agree with them.

We have a tactical difference on timing.

I don't believe if you yank the coach at the beginning of the fourth quarter -- you play the coach through the fourth quarter. To me, that's some time through December. When we continued to play on the Ukraine issue and on the spending and appropriations bill. Because we all asked to get it done. Yes. By September 30th. But in truth, that's only happened four times in 50 years, in my lifetime. I want to play this out. That being said, let me just tell you, if you'll indulge me for one minute. Maybe two.

This is the speech that I read through the Republican conference this morning.

I said that no matter what happens with the speaker at the moment. If nothing changes, we will be campaigning on March 31st, with a leading candidate be who has a number of variables, just to put it mildly.

We will be campaigning March 31st, on the following: An extension of the debt ceiling until January 25, for $4 trillion. Done with Democrats.

A Ukraine funding of an additional ex-billion dollars. That's what the Republican establishment wants unless we fight it. I believe well over 50 billion, Glenn, if we don't fight it.

Unoffset, unpaid for. 16 billion of disaster packets that was just passed on a CR, not paid for. Even if we do the appropriation bills. Go to Congress. And there's a 50/50 chance we don't get jammed and rolled with an omnibus bill.

Maybe we get the 1 percent cut in spending, the debt deal got done. Maybe. But we blow past it with 100 million of supplemental spending. Inflation Reduction Act, remains fully intact.

The IRS remains 80 percent expanded and intact. We will likely not impeach Mayorkas.

It's 50/50 at best, if we want to impeach Biden, depending on what happens with the efforts.

We will not have full COVID reckoning. We will not have passed a ten-year balanced budget. The DOD will likely still be roped, and no accountability for Afghanistan.

The DOJ will likely still be weaponized. And importantly, the Senate will try to confuse everybody with a shiny object. Crappy border security package. Linked back in the Ukraine, and say, we did it. We secured the border, and we still needed 50 billion or 80 billion in Ukraine funding. But we secured the border.

And it will be garbage. The only thing standing in the way of that being the truth, and us changing it, is a small group of us willing to try to fight.

I will not throw my friends under the bus, who want to call to question. I will -- I will stick with my tactical position, that I'm not going to currently today, agree.

I will vote to table the motion, because I would give a month, to go figure this out, headed to Thanksgiving. Because we've been talking through these things.

But we're going to proceed either way, Glenn. We're going to lock arms, and figure out how to fight, change this. Because the list I just read to you, is unacceptable.

GLENN: Okay. So here's what's going to happen. He won't be removed today.

And nothing will happen in the next 45 days. And then coincidentally, I don't know if you've done the math. Forty-five days brings us right to the holidays. So we're right there to Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Where everything, always goes -- and is buried by Congress at that time.

So, you know, if -- if you don't get it done, this next time in 45 days. It doesn't happen. And then you will have to replace them. And here's my question. With whom?

What is the game plan?

Who is it that you're going to -- not you. But the -- the good guys. That are standing up. Who is it, that they're going to get, because there are people now afraid we can get a Democrat in there?

CHIP: Well, that, of course, was the argument last January. I -- again, do not support tactic for the reason you just described. Because I believe, we need to force the conference to a reckoning. Because let's be honest, speaker reflects the conference. When I read the thing, I just read to you, this morning in a Republican conference meeting. Crickets. Crickets.

The vast majority of Republicans, are totally fine with increasing spending. Kicking the can down the road. Saying, oh. The next president will say this. Oh, we need to win the Senate. Oh, we need a bigger majority. Look, I understand the difficulty of the moment. So do you, Glenn.

Neither you now I expect us to get something we want, in this divided government. But at some point, you have to pick a major fight and mean it. Democrats do that all the time.

GLENN: All the time.

CHIP: When will we pick major fights and mean it? If we will throw down on the board, and that means accepting some Ukraine spending, and I would prefer not to.

Then let's pick that fight. If we need to kill all dollars to Ukraine. And that means, we're not going to address the border. Okay. Let's pick that fight.

I can't get -- a -- a clear signal from our leadership, as to what path we are going to choose to go win these fights. So to answer your question. Look, I'm staying focused on the policy, as we speak this morning, I'm having conversation with the senators, people here, trying to figure out, how we define the border, the way it needs to be confined.

Have meetings this morning, a case to restrain Ukraine spending. And a case for why that's not in our best -- our national interests.

Make the case for why we need to constrain spending on the appropriations package, on the rules committee last night. Holding the line. A lot of good things have occurred this year. The border bill is phenomenal. Right? The bill we put together for Limit Save Grow, was phenomenal. The National Defense Authorization Act is conservative. The DOD appropriation bill was pretty strong. But all of that goes out the window if you don't finish the job. So my position is, finish the job. And we hold accountable. If they end up vacating today, well, we will have to go find a speaker.

GLENN: So tell me what the speaker's plan is. You know, he says, 45 days, then we will pass all these things. That's such bullcrap. I wanted him to prove me wrong. But I don't believe it. We're going to come down at the end of the 45 days. Shut down the cars. And they're going to fold again. What's his plan?

CHIP: That is my problem, Glenn. This is the question I continue to force. At this point, my tactical choice would be to do what I was doing yesterday and the day before and last week, after the Saturday decision on the 45-day VR. Which is to sit down and say, Mr. Speaker, we have got to get this done before Thanksgiving.

They the Democrats want the Ukraine funding more than anything in the world. And we the Republicans want border security.

And we want to hold down spending, at a bare minimum.

So what are we going to do to make that happen? He assumes to have that -- his speakership, if he even survives this week, on accomplishing that objective.

Holding Ukraine to some level, that matches the conference perspective, spread out over time, with border security attached, and use the appropriations process.

Let me give you another example, without giving away individual names of the private meeting. An individual, who was very conservative/more populist Libertarian. Made an impassioned speech for why our processes and openness, is a massive change, compared to Boehner and Paul Ryan.

I mean, the American people don't care about that. Right? I mean, they might care a little. But they want results. But this is moving the Titanic around. The reason you all know what all is happening, is because we've opened it up. We're telling it in realtime. We're forcing votes. We're having amendments. But we're not getting the results we want. Because our conference, frankly, isn't strongly conservative enough, on the Senate side. So we're trying to manage through that process. And get to a result, where we actually cut spending. Actually hold the supplementals. Actually refuse to restrict, constrain Ukraine.

Actually secure the border. I've been giving up on that, even though you and I are both frustrated as you would expect.

GLENN: So, Chip, first of all, I don't want you to feel my frustration is pointed to you at all. Because I pray for you this weekend.

He has got to be just beside himself. Because I know how hard you're working on this.

Do you -- have you been struggling at all with, am I being duped?

Because I know I would be, if I were you.

I would probably do exactly what I would do in you. Because it seems reasonable for me. But I feel like, I would be saying, yeah. But, I mean -- why should I trust them?

CHIP: So you shouldn't. To ever and I don't. I trust no one for the most part, in this town. Particularly those who have been here for a long time. We are in a process, in my opinion, of breaking this town, and creating coalitions in which we can trust each other. I am talking right now to my colleagues I disagree with a little bit on their timing and tactics. Because I respect what they're trying to do.

There are colleagues, that I don't respect what they're trying to do.

They think it's about showboating. Or grandstanding. Or fundraising.

It's not. You know, they might raise money. That's politics.

But at the end of the day, it's because they're tired watching, the same old, same old. The status quo.

Again, Glenn, I want to reiterate. To all the listeners. Why won't you join it?

Well, I might at some point. The issue here is how we navigate from right now, to a place where we can go try to get the American people forward. Our country can't wait to keep us for Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. Or anyone else to get in and shape things up at the White House without massive damage. For me, I want a victory for the people. Not just a political victory. So that, crickets. Your conference. Your Republican conference.

I want every listener out there to know, while they're moving in the right direction, at the end of the day, their reflex is still to be totally okay with increased spending.

Totally okay. Well, we might have to deal with the border at some point.

Totally okay with more money with Ukraine to push back.

And so, I'm just telling you, you get the Speaker, that reflects the conference.

Some of us are trying to shift that.

And it doesn't happen as fast as you or I, or your listeners would like.

GLENN: Well, it doesn't sound like an extremist to me. It sounds like a constitutionalist, and someone who is trying to think it out.

When you say crickets, I just want to make sure I understand, not because they're shocked like, oh, crap. We're in trouble. But because they didn't see a problem with it.

GLENN: Well, I would state it this way.

In fact, one member got us, and said, we can't address those things. Until we have the White House.

To which I say, poppycock. That's just not true.

There are -- we can't do all. But I can't possibly say, you and I, with the 221 majority, can kill Ukraine, fully secure the border, gut spending, to the levels you and I would do it.

Fire Mayorkas. You know, I get it. But can we get one of those damn things?

One! Right? Give me an actual spending cut that I can be proud of. Don't just pour molten crap. Supplemental spending.

Actually secure the border.

Don't think, well, it has to be a bicameral, bipartisan bill to get it through. No. Kiss my ass.

You want Ukraine funding, then give me the border.

Okay? All right. You don't want to cut that deal? Fine.

Give me a win.

That we can go to the people and say, we fought for you, and we won.

That's what I'm trying to tell the conference. Some are there.

I have a whole lot of text messages, in that room saying, hey. Thank you for saying that. But you know what, that still doesn't get us there.

Because the conference has to be moved. You guys are moving them. Don't give up.

Hold the line. But don't roast everybody in a stupid social media, you know, attack. If you don't -- it's tactical, Glenn, right?

Chip Roy is a RINO. Fine. Call me a RINO. I don't give a damn. What I'm saying is, don't go after Daize (phonetic) for being a showboat. And don't go after Chip Roy for being a RINO if you disagree on the tactics. You have a block of people from the 20, and it's growing -- who are fed up.

And that doesn't give you much, but it gets you a lot. When you're talking about, we're building momentum here.

Don't lose faith. We're years into this mess in Washington.

And we don't have the White House. We don't have the Senate.

And we have 221, in the freaking House.

So we're trying to move the needle.

I'm not going to lay down on this.

I'm not going to roll over us.

With the Ukraine funding.

Without if we go to border security.

Ukraine funding. We have to offset supplements.

These are the fights, we have right now. And we have to keep fighting.

GLENN: Chip, I'm out of time. I just need a simple answer.

How many votes do they need to oust him today? What's the number?

CHIP: I don't 100 percent know. Because I don't know how many Democrats are here, that matters. I think you will get -- I don't know. Seven or eight. Who will be -- who will vote no at the table, and can we get to the motion to vacate.

We may be in a position where we're choosing the Speaker. We'll see what happens the next three hours.

GLENN: Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Chip Roy.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

Transcript

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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