@MegynKelly joins Glenn Beck to react to the ABC News Presidential Debate. At no point was it Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris, she argues. It was Trump vs EVERYONE. As a former presidential debate moderator herself, Megyn tears into the ABC News moderators for "fact-checking" Trump while letting Kamala get away with lie after lie: “The only time you should weigh in as a moderator is if the integrity of your question is attacked. These ABC News moderators didn’t understand that, or they just didn’t care.” Plus, Megan explains why she believes Harris' performance at the debate didn't win her any votes: "The person who’s going to be [our first female president] is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing hysteric.”
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GLENN: Megyn Kelly, welcome to the program. How are you, Megyn?
MEGYN: Enraged. Angry. Just in disbelief at what our imagery has become.
GLENN: It was state-run media.
For her to go in and say so many lies. She -- that proves, this is state-run media.
She knew she could get away with saying lie after lie after lie after lie.
I've never seen anything like it.
And no corrections.
MEGYN: I could have lived with that. Politicians lie all the time. But the one-sided, quote, fact-checking was so outrageous.
I would have been fine. They have done what CNN did. Which is just be quiet. Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did not try to fact-check the candidates. They let them do that to each other. Which is totally appropriate in a presidential debate. It's actually the way it should be. It's not our job to set the record straight.
The only time you should weigh in as a moderator, is if the integrity of your questions is attacked. Right? Like they're attacking the underlying foundation for what they're asking. But as for the answer, that's for the other candidate to do.
And these ABC news moderators didn't understand that, or they just didn't care. If CNN actually got hammered by the left for doing that, the left wanted them to get out there and criticize Donald Trump. And they said, oh, no, you said this. And that's wrong and so on. And ABC News clearly watched that and said, oh, well, that can't be us.
We've got to pander to our base. And so they only fact-checked him. Their fact-checks were incorrect and/or were opinion.
And then you had the assist by the rest of the media, and back to CNN. And its absolute credence, named Daniel Dale.
Who is fact-checked after the fact. Was that Trump lied 33 times. And she lied once!
GLENN: Once!
MEGYN: That's what we're up against. Yes!
GLENN: What was the one he picked?
Was it like a lottery? You put all the lies into a little basket, and you twirl it around, mix it up.
B17. What was the lie?
MEGYN: Yeah. He didn't make that clear. Because on Twitter, he called her out for trying to claim that she had reversed her -- her personal stance on fracking in 2020. You know, she wanted to ban it. And then in 2020, she has been claiming she didn't want to ban it, which isn't true.
In 2020, the VP debate, she said Joe Biden would not ban it. She has never put her stance on it.
But nothing about the Charlottesville, both sides lie, about the bloodbath, about the 2025 nonsense, about saying Trump is against IVF.
Nothing. No, that's fine.
GLENN: So, Megyn, what she had to do last night was assure people, that -- that hadn't seen her, act presidential, to appear to be strong, tough, and presidential.
Did she do that, for enough people?
MEGYN: Well, you added that phrase at the end. Which makes me say, no.
"For enough people." I don't think it was a game-changer last night. I think most people will say, she won the debate. But here's what I saw.
I saw somebody who engaged in nothing, but personal ad hominem attacks against Donald Trump throughout.
I mean, at every chance she could. She went low, insulted him personally. And on that, he actually didn't take the bait. He took the bait on every other thing. You know, on the subject of immigration, and suddenly, we're off topic about rally size. And he went there.
Okay. But on the personal attacks, he didn't. I saw somebody who couldn't control herself emotionally. She was on screen, right? Harrumphing. Rolling her eyes. Hands up on the chin. Like, oh, aren't you so interesting?
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. That was -- I've never seen anybody actually put their hand up on the chin, and rest their elbow on their other hand.
I mean, it was --
MEGYN: And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This country has not elected a female president in 250 years. The person who is going to be number one is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing, hysteric. And that's how she appeared in the split screen for the first half an hour of the debate. She's not a controlled leader. I cannot believe that the people sitting at home, don't forget this election is coming down at the margins to men versus women.
Men are for Trump. And women are for Kamala. That these men sitting at home, are going to say, I'm going to vote for her.
I can sit at home, on Election Day, and let her win. I just think they're going to be motivated by how extreme she is. Yes, on policy. Which Trump failed to point out last night.
But her behavior. She's not a strong leader. She's the opposite of a Margaret Thatcher. And I think her schoolgirl attacks on him personally. You know, trying to undermine the dignity of this man who served as president. And who almost was assassinated a month or two ago. And her eye rolling and so on.
Which telegraphs, I can't control myself. Were a real turnoff.
GLENN: Let me ask you.
I was personally offended. And I can't imagine that the American people weren't.
When he was talking about how people are suffering.
And you can't afford, you know, the groceries, at the grocery store.
When she laughed and rolled her eyes, at that. I saw that, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. You -- you're in, A, such denial, that that is happening.
Or you just don't care!
Do you think that -- did that play on you?
MEGYN: Yep. It was moment that she laughed. She laughed when he was raising what was happening in Springfield, Ohio.
She openly laughed. These four people, if you can accept the testimonials or not, they have not, in fact, been debunked. You have one city manager, who says he can't prove any of that.
He hasn't found the proof of it.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another totally inappropriate quote, fact checked by David Muir. What we have here is a "he said, she said" situation. It's not up to the moderators to try to fix it.
But she laughed at it. She rolled her eyes. And what is she laughing at? Immigration. What's happening in our cities, because of the minimal. This has what has been documented. 10.4 million illegals, who have come under her watch.
2.3 million under Trump's four years. 10.4, minimum, not counting gotaways, under hers.
And when the question is raised, look at what's happening to American cities, because of it. She laughed.
You know who is not laughing? The family of Laken Riley, the family of that 12-year-old little girl who was murdered by illegals down at the Southern border, who Trump went down and spent time with.
That's the kind of stuff, Trump needed to raise and didn't.
But at a minimum, his team now today, needs to be showing cackling Kamala, back at it, on the two worse issues for her: The economy and immigration.
GLENN: Yeah. Can you run for president?
You would make a really good president. You would. You would make a really good president.
MEGYN: Thank you. I'm too happy a person for that.
(laughter)
GLENN: So you agree that Trump -- she came out immediately and said, let's do another one.
I think he should say, sure. Let's do five.
MEGYN: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that would be amazing.
And you know what they should say, I'll do it. And I'll pick one moderator. And you pick the other.
Why don't we do that?
Don't give it to -- if Trump agrees to go on another mainstream -- and that's a fake term. That is just a BS term. What is mainstream about these people?
GLENN: I think we should start calling them state media. It's state media now.
MEGYN: True. This is one example. How many questions did we have on 2020 election denialism and so on? And how many questions did we have about what's being done to young girls in this country, and about the cutting off body parts of kids who are just confused, because their parents got a divorce.
Not one. They don't care. They're in favor of that. That's not mainstream. So, anyway, if he agrees to go back on the air and do a debate with another state-run media company -- NBC, CBS, obviously ABC is out -- they ought to be out forever. No Republican should ever agree to that again.
GLENN: Ever. Ever.
MEGYN: MSNBC. Then he deserves what he gets. He deserves what he gets. It should be, if they do anything at this point forward, there's no moderator. They go mono a mono. Or he picks one, and she picks one.
GLENN: But he has got to expose her, because nobody else will. And she will crumble eventually. I mean, she just -- she's arrogant now.
She came in after five days of memorizing all of these lies. Really well-prepared.
MEGYN: Yes. Uh-huh. That's what was so frustrating, Glenn.
You can see it, couldn't you.
She was like an automaton. Giving these lies. She heard this before the DNC.
Mark Halperin reported that she's been getting help -- he did it sort of tongue-in-cheek, so you had to read between the lines.
But it was CAA. And Brian Lord who was one of the heads of CAA. One of the most powerful agencies or one of them. Talent agency, in the country.
And that they were bringing in top Hollywood actors and actresses, to coach her, on delivery.
That's what she -- it takes to make her salable to the American people. But I really believe that the people sitting in Ohio, know that. They watched that. And there's just no way, they looked at her, and thought, yeah. This is the genuine person who cares about me.
She barely talked about them.
Her whole -- debate performance was to convince them -- by the way, same stance of the moderators. How terrible Trump is.
It was not, your first day in service. She tried to say, oh, I'm middle class. And I understand your problems.
It was not about them, or the economy.
GLENN: One last thing.
When she was calling him week, and remember, she said -- you're going to hear nothing, but name-calling tonight. Well, yes, from her.
But when she kept saying over and over again, you know, you're weak. You're weak. You're weak.
She was just trying to get the under his skin, the entire time. And I have to tell you, I don't know if I could have been as restrained as he was last night. You know, 90 minutes of lies.
MEGYN: I don't.
GLENN: I don't think I could have contained myself. I would have lost.
MEGYN: I agree. I agree.
I mean, my blood was boiling. His blood had to be boiling. Obviously, this was her plan. But the -- the number of personal emasculating attacks, she launched on him.
If he had done anything like that, to her. He would be getting lectured all day, about his misogyny.
GLENN: Yes.
MEGYN: But she got away with it entirely. And all I could think of when I looked at Trump, this is like a soldier in -- in a foxhole. Surrounded by enemy fire.
GLENN: Yeah.
MEGYN: Trying to return fire, you know, one by one by one. But the hits we him were uniform.
It was a pile-on. It was non-stop. And when I looked at the way ABC handled it.
100 percent as effective and strong as a competitor to him, as she was.
All I could think was, ambush.
This is an ambush. They laid a trap for him, by assuring him, they could be fair.
He fell for it. He walked in there. And all they did was ask him horrible questions for him.
If he didn't answer it. You know, he tried to bridge. Or he had his own messaging. On him, they would follow-up. The question was this. The question was this.
On her, they never did that. And then they would try to fact-check him. And nine times out of ten. Their fact-check was incorrect.
And they never once fact-checked her.
And all of the topic selection was left-wing anti-Trump. I mean, every single question they asked, maybe two were normal.
GLENN: It was. It was.
MEGYN: So he was like the soldier that was ambushed.
And now, I do have a belief.
I know it's contrarian.
But I really have a belief. That the average American at home, who watches that, gets it on a visceral level.
And I just don't expect any sort of big bounce for her.
GLENN: From your lips to God's ear. Thank you so much, Megyn.
You can hear Megyn and, you know, her whole opinion on Sirius XM, immediately following this program on Triumph.
Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Megyn.
MEGYN: My pleasure.
GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.
