How much of the January 6th "evidence" that our justice system used to convict Americans has been a lie? Investigative reporter Steve Baker has done a year-long deep dive into the CCTV footage and REAL facts of Jan. 6 and has released his first report with Blaze Media. Baker joins Glenn to reveal the evidence that former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's head of security, U.S. Capitol Police Special Agent David Lazarus, gave false testimony about his whereabouts during a key encounter with members of the Oath Keepers. If this false testimony led to the imprisonment of Americans, what else have we been lied to about?
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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: Steve baker has been on the program, a few times. And he is a -- an investigative reporter, that has been doing some work and it's now exposed on TheBlaze.com.
He has been working on the January 6th puzzle for a while now. And his efforts had been frustrated, over and over again, by the politics in Washington when he's just trying to find the truth.
The story that has just been released this morning.
Did Pelosi's security chief perjure himself in the Oath Keeper's trial? Has wide, wide consequences.
Welcome, Steve. How are you?
STEVE: Glenn, I am living proof, that a man can live on coffee alone.
GLENN: You started this a year ago, today.
STEVE: It was one year ago, yesterday.
October 3rd. During the oath keeper's trial. Was the first cent that there was something wrong.
Something happened in the trial. First thing that morning. When the lead prosecuting attorney, Jeffrey Nessler, assistant U.S. attorney, approached the lectern and the bench. And said to Judge Mehta, we have a problem. He said, we have a rogue attorney that is about to release some FBI 302s. These are interviews of one of the characters in this story, that we release this morning. And that if he does that, this is going to -- these are sealed documents, that are not publicly available, and we can't have that. And Judge Mehta did something, that I've never seen before.
And I don't know anyone in the media room where I was sitting in, had ever seen this before.
He actually directed the media pool, to put out a tweet, and threaten this particular attorney and let him know, that if he released those sealed documents, we would have him held in contempt of court.
And right then, I went, what are in those documents?
GLENN: So what was in those documents?
STEVE: They're still sealed. But I will tell you, the documents themselves were actually the FBI interviews of one of these Capitol police officers. And the primary problem that the government has with those documents, is that the testimony was changed. His testimony about his interaction with the Oath Keepers. Which in the first testimony, he revealed to be a positive interaction. That the Oath Keepers were lined up between him. And the more agitated protesters.
And assisted him in keeping them off of him.
And helping him de-escalate.
That was in May of '21, that interview.
In August of '21, this officer was brought back in, and the testimony was changed into an aggravated, contentious event with the Oath Keepers.
And as well as the creation of a second event, to explain the first FBI interview that never happened.
GLENN: So it is amazing to me.
Reading your story, it is so well laid out. However, what makes this different. It's not he said/she said. Or he said/he said.
It's because you had permission to go into the 14,000 hours, of videotape. You knew what you were looking for.
Right?
And in the story, you knew what time it even happened. Because the testimony was gunshots. You know, gunfire.
And so that marked it, at a certain time, when they -- they shot an innocent.
So tell me about what you found.
What the story was in the -- the testimony. And then what you found in the tape.
STEVE: Well, the story in the testimony from special agent. Now, this is Capitol Police special agent David Lazarus.
Is that when he heard the gunshots, at 243, 244, broadcasted over the radio, that shots had been fired.
That he was down in the tunnels, escorting senators from the Rayburn Building to the other Senate office buildings. And that's quite a long distance away from the House chamber, where allegedly these shots were fired. He said, at that moment, at 244, he began turning around and heading back. Well, because we knew what to look for, we immediately went there and we started working our way backwards.
And we found him in the tunnels, at that time.
The problem with it, is that when he emerged from the Senate building tunnels, and the subway system below the Capitol.
And, by the way, Glenn, these were videos that were never released to the defense attorneys in this trial.
GLENN: If we were living in normal times, the people that had been convicted, with any of the testimony, in -- revolving around these guys, they would be released. Any other time in American history, they would be released.
Because this is perjury. And somebody set this up. Somebody.
STEVE: And we're working on that trail as well.
GLENN: Good.
STEVE: But going back to Lazarus, so he emerges. And comes back into camera frames, on the Capitol TVs with absolute proof of the exact time, down to the second, of when he emerged back in the camera.
He even passes under an analogue clock in the subway, at exactly this moment.
And it's at 2:48 p.m.
When he finally reaches the other side of the tunnels from the Senate office buildings. And when that happens, the oath keeper Officer Dunn encounter is almost already over by then.
He's nowhere near it. And he still has a long way to go. And then we were able to triangulate. Because he will go out of camera frame for a while. Then he'll enter camera frame again from another camera.
And then he's down another hall. And then he enters another hallway. Then he goes up on the Senate side. Then by the time he reaches the bottom of the stairs, that lead up to the rotunda, and it's in a little area, variously called the mini rotunda or the Speaker's lobby. When he reaches the bottom of those stairs, it's now 2:56:45 p.m. and the Oath Keepers are long gone.
GLENN: Okay. So now, let me give you the exact verbiage from the testimony in the court case.
Lazarus, the guy you've just been talking about -- explained that one rioter asked, who are you? Who are you? Then according to the trial testimony, he testified. And, you know, one attempted to. I mean, I had my lanyard on, with my ID on it. And, one, they were videotaping, and one attempted to pull at my ID. And I kind of grabbed it back, and looked to make sure it was still there. And then I saw an opening.
So there's just kind of like -- I walked fast, to get into the office. And check on the staff again.
He then detailed description of what took place. What Lazarus described, as a very antagonistic in three or four times, that he passed by these Oath Keepers. Every time I interacted or came by, yes, it was very antagonistic. He said this under oath.
When he was then shown in court, a -- a video clip of four Oath Keepers, standing in front of Dunn, Lazarus was asked, are these the individuals you observed?
Yes. Yes.
At any point in these three or four interactions, in this space, at you observe any sort of anything, but antagonistic conversation?
No that's correct.
Here's the problem: They were already out of the building. At the time we know, them on camera, we have the videotape.
The Oath Keepers had been gone for almost ten minutes.
STEVE: It was not quite ten minutes. But when you're in the Capitol video room, viewing this.
We can put multiple cameras on the screen, at the same time. And then we hit one button, and it synced all those cameras to the exact time line. So we're able to watch Lazarus moving through the building in one quadrant of the screen. Then we can watch when the Oath Keepers leave. So as the Oath Keepers leave, and they're walking out through the Rotunda, about to exit through the Columbus doors on the east side.
It wasn't until that moment, that finally Lazarus reaches that area, where in great detail in the trial. And we have the trial transcripts, obviously.
In great detail, he describes what he saw. It just did not happen.
GLENN: So this was a -- an important part of the trial, right?
STEVE: It was a huge part of the trial. Because the one thing that the government was absolutely intent upon doing, was not allowing anything that could be exculpatory. Or anything that pointed the Oath Keepers in a positive light. And this wasn't the only positive interaction that Oath Keepers had with law enforcement that day.
You've interviewed Lieutenant Tarik Johnson. Lieutenant Tarik Johnson, used two Oath Keepers. Literally recruited them to help rescue another 16 officers out of a dangerous situation.
GLENN: Right. Right.
STEVE: That was never allowed in the trial.
GLENN: So and I learned something from the article. Let me see if I can find it here.
I had no idea. Oath Keepers. Seditious.
Blah, blah. Federal prosecutors claimed, while they were inside the Capitol, members of the group were involved in contentious interaction.
I don't know where it is now. But you talk about the Oath Keepers. How they've never -- they've never had to hear.
Thirty-five thousand due's paying members, had more than a decade's worth of spotless record, providing disaster relief and security during riots and other large events.
They have never once been accused or charged with a crime. In thousands of operations.
I had no idea.
STEVE: One of the things that the government could not do in that trial. They could not counter that little piece of information. And, of course, it didn't matter in front of a DC jury.
The DC jury, it was fait accompli, for day one and in terms of what the outcome of that trial was going to be.
But one of the things that the defense did successfully present is the fact that in years and years and years of disaster relief operations, security details, and all kinds of -- other times when they actually went and were recruited and hired by minority businesses, like in Ferguson.
Like in Louisville, Kentucky. And those rights. Where they were recruited by minority businesses. To come help us to protect our businesses.
The defense was rather able to show some of those videos.
But the one thing that the government could not prove. That at any time, since 2009, when the Oath Keepers were founded, that there had ever been a single time where an Oath Keeper had committed violence in any of those operations, or ever had committed a crime. Or any charges had ever been filed.
GLENN: And when you think of the Oath Keepers.
You think, oh, they're just really bad.
Isn't that remarkable? How that has been portrayed and carried by the press?
Okay. So there's obviously some sort of conspiracy here.
Because these guys, they don't -- they're both saying the same story.
But it seems to switch, where one is saying, no. I saw them at the top of the stairs.
And the other guy is saying, no. I saw them at the top of the stairs.
They couldn't even get their story right.
STEVE: Yeah. It's inexplicable, that the editor of Harry Dunn's forthcoming book did not check the trial transcripts. Because when Lazarus -- special agent. Nancy Pelosi's head of security. Tells his version of events. He says, when he runs to the top of the stairs, that he sees this large, imposing figure.
Because Dunn is six-seven. Three hundred pounds, plus all the gear he had on. And he sees this large opposing -- imposing figure in a contentious -- yeah. Moment with these Oath Keepers that were giving him the business. All right?
And that's his testimony. In Dunn's book, he explains, that when he ran to the top of that stairs and reached that stairwell landing at the top, that Lazarus was already there.
And he was being confronted by protesters.
GLENN: Okay. So the questions that we need to ask, and what this actually means. I'm afraid. Stu was talking about it this morning. That at any other time. Any other time, in American history, this case would be thrown out now.
They would -- they would file a charge. Got to throw this case out.
And it would be done. And people would care.
I'm not sure people care. I mean, that's where our justice system is.
It only moves because somebody says something. Somebody -- the American people just won't take it.
I wonder what the -- I wonder what the real fallout of this will be. And you probably have a good idea.
GLENN: Okay. What is next in this?
And I know you talked to people in Congress. But is this going to move anything in DC?
STEVE: I can tell you, that not only working with weaponization committee investigators on this story, as well as the high-ranking staffers, I can't get into specific on the record details.
That there will be talks about hearings. And we know what hearings result in. Far too often.
GLENN: Yeah.
STEVE: But there has to be something next.
Because, Glenn, this is -- this is literally an existential threat to our republic. What is taking place, in our courts right now. In DC.
GLENN: This is our government not getting it wrong.
This is our government setting American citizens up. Withholding evidence, that is exculpatory.
Sentencing them to long sentences.
And apparently, several people are involved in this.
This is -- this is as bad as it gets.
STEVE: Even in one of the specific Oath Keeper's cases, during his sentencing hearing. This is the Oath Keeper, Ken Harrelson, who you can see in video, holding the crowd back from Officer Dunn. He literally has his hands extended, and he's holding them back. As they were agitating and trying to get it done.
And there's four Oath Keepers lined up, with their backs turned to Dunn. He's at the top of the stairwell, holding an M4 rifle. And these guys are holding them back.
And -- and his case, particularly, Judge Mehta and his sentencing hearing, actually said these words.
Mr. Harrelson, I do not believe you're the man that the government has made you out to be. If I could speak to Mehta right now -- Judge Mehta, I would tell them, now we know that he is not the man who the government made him out to be. And you need to send him home.
GLENN: Have you talked to their attorneys yet? The Oath Keepers?
STEVE: I talk to them every day.
GLENN: And now that this is out and you're able to prove this, are they going to move?
STEVE: Obviously, they're in transition from their trial representation to their different legal teams. That will be representing them in appeal.
GLENN: Right.
STEVE: But these guys are -- are --
GLENN: Hot.
STEVE: They're hot. And, of course, they -- they -- they all know how this was set up. And this is where the next part of this story is going. Is that, look, we know -- we know that there was the equivalent of a star chamber set up, like, how will we get these guys?
And we see the process and the pattern of events of how they led to that, as well as here. Absolute proof of the creation and manipulation of testimony. And of something that never happened. And presented in that trial.
GLENN: This story, is a year's worth of a man's life.
You must read it by Steve Baker. Did Pelosi's Security Chief perjure himself in the Oath Keeper's trial. It's only part one of a series, that Steve is working on.
And you'll find it from Blaze Media, at TheBlaze.com.
