RADIOFebruary 17, 2023

Space Force Vet: China spy balloon is GREAT TIMING for Biden

Former Space Force Lt. Col. Matthew Lehmeier tells Glenn that the timing regarding the China spy balloon is ‘curious’ and that timing ‘almost always’ matters. He explains why having a balloon in the headlines likely is better for Biden than other, underreported scandals. Plus, Lehmeier tells Glenn about possible alien/intelligent life beyond Earth and our current Cold War with China…

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GLENN: Matthew Lohmeier is on with us. Hello, Matthew. How are you?

MATTHEW: Glenn, I'm well, thank you.

GLENN: Now, I should say thank you, first of all, for your courage. You had a nice position, as a lieutenant colonel, at space force.

And you came out, and started talking about the dangers of CRT. And what was being done by the Pentagon.

And they didn't like that very much.

MATTHEW: Yeah. Well, thanks for first bringing up this. I did have a good position, so to speak. And I was in command of our nation's space-based missile enterprise, which implies senior military leaders at some point, did, in fact, trust me to be a good leader.

And to make proper strategic assessments, and what not.

But the fact is, I didn't just write an exposé, or a book that I then made public, without first bringing up some of my concerns with senior military leaders themselves.

The entire chain of command of the space force, had been aware of what should properly be characterized as overt left-wing political talking points. Anti-American sentiment in the workplace.

And I was bringing that to their attention. Which included Marxist rooted Critical Race Theory.

In the form of diversion and inclusion trainings.

But they agreed with me, that it was a big problem. That the fact is, who are you going to hold accountable for it?

Are we in the proper climate, that wee created for ourselves, to hold some of these activists accountable?

And apparently, the answer was no, we weren't in a position to try and hold them accountable. And so that led to a former written inspector general complaints, which was dismissed right during the election season, in fact.

And so I wrote a book about it. That was in a unique position, in uniform, to see what was happening, within the ranks of the military. And how divisive that ideology can be.

I've often said, what Marxism does to someone in China, it will do to an American.

And CRTers were increasingly aware, destroys everything it touches.

So it was important to talk up about that, but we've got, as you've mentioned, bigger concerns on the horizon and happening in the country at the moment.

GLENN: Well, before we leave this subject, today I found out that the recruiting for the military is down 25 percent off-goal.

And I saw what the military said. They said, that's because the youth. You know, they just -- they -- they don't see the military as relevant.

Really? How come all of a sudden, after Afghanistan, and after the CRT nonsense.

Your recruiting went down the tubes. That didn't play a role?

MATTHEW: Well, yeah.

One thing, it's easy to tell at a glance, at any given moment, how our recruiting efforts are doing.

But what it's not easy to assess realtime at a glance, is how our retention efforts are doing.

And that's often left out of the headlines. But I talk to service members all the time. They reach out, both thanking me for my book, and also seeking for help, quite frankly. And how to navigate the current politicized workplace in the uniformed services. But they are telling me.

And this is anecdotal, I get it.

but it's real world on the ground Intel, that they and a bunch of people, that are currently in uniform, their active duty service commitments aren't up yet.

But when they are up, they will be getting out of the service.

And so not only do we face recruitment issues. We're going to have a really difficult time, this year and in the next year, retaining folks who have served for a very long time. It's a really tough position to be in, and it's not just COVID's fault.

And it's not, you know, pick the issues that senior defense officials want to point a finger at. And shame and blame.

It's the very policies pushed down the pipe, and hoisted upon our service members, that's hurting morale. And dis-incentivizing them from continued service.

GLENN: We're talking to former Space Force Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Lohmeier.

You can find him at MatthewLohmeier.com. Or follow him on Twitter. @MatthewLohmeier.

I want to switch to the balloons that we've had. I mean, you, as, you know -- you were in charge of our space missile defense.

Do you think we're shooting aliens out of the sky in balloons?

MATTHEW: You know, I'm open to a lot of ideas. But I will tell you, the entirety.

The timing of all of this is really interesting as well.

One of the things that's become quite clear over the last ten days, is that senior military leaders, Jim Mattis included, apparently. And White House officials have known about Chinese spy balloons for years, violating the sovereignty of countries around the globe, and potentially including our own, and apparently not informing the sitting commander-in-chief, at the time. Why we've decided to start shooting them out of the sky. Over north America now, is, in fact, curious. The timing is curious.

And perhaps the timing matters. It almost always does. And perhaps it's really convenient. This sounds like conspiracy theories. And, in fact, it's not.

The fact that we've been trained for the past couple of years, to ask important questions. Perhaps it's really convenient to have those shoot-downs in the headlines right now, instead of any number of things that have been in the headlines.

I mean, there's been a classified document scandal at Joe Biden's residence. There are more revelations about Hunter Biden's corruption with his dad, while he was the vice president, and in dealings with Middle Eastern countries and in China, than at any other time that we've known of before now.

And we've got information that's coming to light about Jim Biden's dealings with the Saudis. We've got a reporting, that came from Seymour Hersh.

GLENN: Hersh. Do you believe that?

MATTHEW: Well, I think it's entirely plausible. And that's important. The guy has done phenomenal reporting for decades. And some of the details he shares in an interview I watched yesterday, are entirely plausible.

GLENN: Right.

MATTHEW: And, in fact, you take a look back, earlier last year, and Joe Biden, because he can't help himself. Is making statements about the Nord Stream two pipeline, ceasing to exist, if Russia, in fact, invades Ukraine.

They do, and then the Nord Stream 2 pipeline ceases to exist. At least temporarily.

And then of course there's the imminent release of the Jeffrey Epstein visitor logs. Unless -- so all of that is swirling about in headlines. And then the shoot-downs come.

Now, I think that the first balloon, that we shot down, was in fact, a spy balloon from China.
They essentially admitted as much.

GLENN: What do they get, that they couldn't get a satellite.

MATTHEW: Well, altitude matters.

So every country that has a space faring capability is engaged in spying on our adversaries.

But you do that, outside of the sovereign airspace of nations. And in space. And we do that with optical capabilities. And we do it from higher up as well. But the closer you are to the earth, the fact of the matter, the better images you're able to take. But what's most concerning, not just more images.

I'm guessing -- I shouldn't say I'm guessing. There are enough images, the world over. It's like, what good does one more image do?

The fact is, depending on what capabilities were aboard that first balloon that we shot down, I think it was on the board in February.

There's any number of other signals, transmissions, code, that could have been either interfered with, tampered with, or received or retrieved by the Chinese Communist Party.

And so is this a first-time event? Likely not, apparently.

But it's totally bogus, that we were told it's the American people. That the concern was for the American people on the ground.

And that's why we weren't shooting it, out of the sky, and we're letting it traverse the entirety of the country.

I mean, any American city, who has been at the commercial airliner. Can take a look around. And tell you, that most places over the continental United States, don't have people living there.

I mean, it's just desolate. And the moment that thing left overhead, any major US city, it should have been brought down.

And it didn't need to be obliterated. I mean, we could have just brought it to its knees, and brought it down, and kept it intact, and tried to be transparent with the American people, about what it is that we think we saw.

And yet, we didn't do any of that. We shoot it down over water, send it to FBI headquarters of all things, and then complain that we can't quite recover all of the capabilities that were aboard the balloon.

I mean, and here's something that is important as a principle for your listener to keep in mind. In relative peacetime, it's difficult enough, as we've seen.

To stitch together, an accurate view of the things that are taking place in politics. But when you're talking about relative wartime. Increased and heightened wartime. It will be near impossible. Because deception is an important part of grand strategy.

GLENN: I unfortunately think that we're getting deception from our own government, to our own people.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: And, you know, one of those things is that China is the new model, which I believe they believe.

But -- but that, you know, they're -- they're -- that they're not hostile to us.

There is plenty of evidence, that they are fighting a war, that we refuse to involve ourselves, or even recognize.

And we're going to pay a high price for this. Do you think that's right or wrong?

MATTHEW: I think it is right. In fact, you almost -- okay. If I was Xi Jinping, I would try to avoid a shooting match with the United States at all costs.

In fact, I didn't see the show that you had mentioned that you had done last night.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MATTHEW: But you referenced a 1999 manual. I presume you're talking about the work you're calling unrestricted warfare.

GLENN: Yes, exactly right.

MATTHEW: By these two Chinese colonels.

Nothing -- in that book, the overarching premise of the strategy to defeat the West, and the United States in particular, is that nothing is off the table, as far as how you pursue the destruction of the United States.

It doesn't have to be direct kinetic conventional warfare and tactics.

And so, again, the American people have to ask themselves, the question.

Must military force be used to destroy a country?

And the answer is of course not.

And the Chinese are aware of that. And so to your point, Xi Jinping, more than frankly, many American people are willing to acknowledge at this point, is well aware of the fact that we're in a kind of code civil war ourselves.

So that combination in combination with the fact that we are indeed in a Cold War with China. And the Chinese Communist Party, and Xi Jinping, is a terrible combination.

And if I was him, I would sit and watch, our own disintegration, from within our own borders.

I would watch bad policy decisions being made by people like Joe Biden and the Biden administration.

And I would cheer that on, and I would influence it in every possible way, that did not involve direct kinetic operations, so that I could emerge. The benevolent superpower, we didn't need to shed a drop of blood, to rise to preeminence in the world stage.

Not only does that allow him to keep some semblance of a reputation intact, it allows him to make claims about the superiority of their worldview and ideology.

The Communist, the Marxist, the Maoist worldview, and it was superior to the capitalist worldview.

And, look, they crumbled under the weight of their own foolishness, while we emerged the -- the global hegemony, not just a regional hegemony, but the global hegemony.

GLENN: All right. Back in just a second. This is a fascinating conversation, and I want to go back to space in a minute.

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We are talking to Matthew Lohmeier, former Space Force Lieutenant Colonel, a hero in my book. About everything that's going on right now in the world.

Matthew, a quick question.

Do you see war as something we are blindly marching towards right now?

MATTHEW: That's entirely possible.

If you take a look at the national security strategy, and the national defense strategy, both documents are clear that the United States considers China a top security and defense priority.

Now, we're not the war department anymore. We're the Defense Department.

And we're very careful on how we approach a lot of these things. But the fact is, that's been true for a number of years.

We're in a Cold War with China right now.

And it's easy to look back in retrospect, at the USSR, first Cold War within and kind of paint it into a neat picture.

But the fact is, this Cold War idea, is based upon an ideological, geopolitical struggle for global influence.

And just like the Cold War, we're involved in an ideological and geopolitical struggle. For global influence, with China. And they consider themselves at war with the United States. They're just going to be careful about how they approach them.

GLENN: Right. I have about 90 seconds left.

And I just have to ask you. I've seen more stuff from UFOs come from the Pentagon than ever before.

And, you know, the people that I talked to, I strangely find myself at a place going, I think that we may be headed towards a time when we're going to be visited by somebody.

Do you believe -- do you believe that?

MATTHEW: You need to give me more time than the remaining 60 seconds for questions like that.

Here's -- it's funny, I was just chatting with some folks last night about this.

You know, we're quick to want to believe in something like alien visitors from another star system or another planet.

And slow to believe anymore even stories from the Bible, that angels, in fact, come and visited the earth. Now, did they come in balloons?

Absolutely not.

We've got an increasing global military threat from advanced nations all over.

It's far more likely that much of what people have been seeing, has to do with governments.

Now, that said, I am entirely open to the idea, that, of course, intelligent life exists out there.

But to the point you made earlier, are they going to come in their -- advanced spacecraft, just to get shot down over a field? Over the United States, and say, well, shoot, we didn't anticipate the Americans had missiles.
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I mean, so there's a lot -- a lot of easy --

GLENN: Right.

MATTHEW: Speculative conclusions we can jump to. But often the simple, realistic answer is more likely the right one. And governments are at work right now, vying for power. And so much of what we're going to see in the headlines has to do with that. And probably not aliens. But about it you want to get a visit from aliens, maybe, you know, get yours some religion and pray a little bit more.

GLENN: Good for you. Good for you. Matthew Lohmeier.

Thank you so much.

Former space force lieutenant colonel, author of the book, Irresistible Revolution. You can find him or follow him @MatthewLohmeier. And MatthewLohmeier.com.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
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GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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