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RADIOMay 05, 2022

Why Putin may be ‘MORE LIKELY’ to use nukes against Ukraine

Author and former Navy SEAL Jack Carr knows a little something about Russia. With several published thriller novels that focus on geopolitical issues, he’s certainly done his research. So, he joins Glenn to war-game possible scenarios from the current situation in Ukraine. He explains why Putin’s original drive to invade Ukraine may have been to grow his military; plus, Carr explains the reason why Putin may be ‘a little more likely’ to use nukes: ‘[Russia is] an animal in a corner and it’s fight or flight…they’re in survival.’

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GLENN: All right. Jack Carr is with us. Hello, jack, how are you?

JACK: Great. Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.

GLENN: You bet. I can't wait. How excited are you for terminal list to come out with, Pratt?

JACK: Well, I'm fired up. Because they could really take your material, and do anything they want with it, which is why they usually like to get rid of the authors right away, yelling, you've ruined my vision.

But having been involved from the get-go, and Amazon was so supportive. And I think we got what all that people talk about, being woke. All that out there. It will be very refreshing for people between New York and Los Angeles. I think we crushed it, and Chris certainly did, Glenn. Maybe Bill Sniper. James Race. Angelon Coop (all phonetic) was the director. I mean, everybody came together. And it is dark, it is gritty, it is violent, it is authentic. And they do not set the bar.

GLENN: What an endorsement. It's dark. It's gritty. It's violent. You're going to love it.

All right. So, Jack, I wanted to have you on. Because something feels wrong with this Russia/Ukraine situation. And it seems like everybody is preparing -- if I were a fiction writer, I would be looking at all of these things that are hang. And I would say, yeah. I'm just doing a little foreshadowing. They're starting to build up for war. They're letting people know. I'm letting the reader know.

It just seems like they're going places, that I don't think would be a good place to go. As a fiction writer, and somebody who lives in this world, and I -- and I love talking to fiction writers, especially about geopolitical things.

Because you can't write things that don't make sense. Because nobody would believe it.

So you have to be based in reality. As a fiction writer. Where do you think we're going?

JACK: Well, if I had written what's actually happening in the world today. Whether it's Russia. Ukraine. The girl from Afghanistan.

Whether it's our own country right here. If I had written these things ten years ago. It wouldn't be a political thriller. It would go into the dystopian category. Perhaps even the science fiction category.

GLENN: Ten years ago, I think if you would have written what's happening today, ten years ago, you would have been laughed at. I mean, nobody would buy the book. And I think people would go, that's ridiculous. It would never happen.

GLENN: Exactly. This could never happen in this country.

This is too unrealistic. That's what the reviews on Amazon would say. But these things are happening. In fact, when we look at just Ukraine and Russia, I mean, it didn't take -- you didn't have to be a genius. You didn't have to be a geopolitical strategist. To look at it.

Apply some common sense, to NATO, Ukraine, and Russia, and predict what was going to happen. My second book, True Believer, I have a -- I have a false flag type of an operation to get Russia to invade Ukraine, as part of the story line.

And I just studied the situation, and needed to figure out how to make that happen. And lo and behold, that has happened. But the research that I did, that really -- you could see that coming, because of the decline of the ethnic Russian population since the end of the Cold War. And really, they could only field an army, up to about 20 -- 2022, and then they were either going to have to invade Ukraine. But then that has the largest population of ethnic Russians, outside of Russia. So for our senior level leaders, not to come to that same conclusion, after looking at it, with a little bit of common sense, is -- it shouldn't be shocking. But it is.

Because we rely on those leaders to make those good, strategic decisions. And they've proven time and time again, they're incapable of doing so.

GLENN: So wait a minute.

So you say, the reason they're having a hard time is, they don't -- they think get more troops. And you're saying, that that's one of the reasons why you think they invaded Ukraine. So they could have ethnic Russians to fight.

JACK: That's right. So just looking at those -- at those numbers, and that's -- you really have two generations of ethnic Russians, being a population that can sustain a military, and in much smaller numbers, past 2022.

So in 2014, Peter Zeihan wrote a book, called The Accidental Superpower, which looks at geography, demographics, in world history, when it comes to the nation states and the world powers.

And that's the conclusion he came to in that book. Which is one of the things I used in that second novel. But there are, of course, supporting factors. But that's a big one.

And that also ties into the nuclear question.

Because if you have someone who believes that their population, their country is not going to be around, in two generations, and they can't even field an army, past right about now. Well, it makes using maybe a taxable nuclear weapon, at least threaten to do so.

But maybe even using it, a little more likely. Because they're an animal in a corner, and it's fight or flight, and it's survival. It's not -- they don't look at it, as an option. As we do, do this. We don't do this. Hey, if we don't do this, we're dead anyway.

So we have to put ourselves in the enemy's shoes, and to anticipate what they're going to do. And we continually do not do that in this country, for whatever reason.

GLENN: I have to tell you, that's some of the best commentary I've heard on what's happening in Ukraine, already. And we've been talking to you, in just a couple of minutes. I haven't heard any of that. I've heard about the lack of military.

But I have no idea that we knew this from the gets go.

So when you have this situation. And you have Putin. I'm sure you've done enough research, just for your own novels. On Putin. And how things work over there.

A couple of questions. First, they think he's sick. May have cancer. They're saying, that maybe he's going under the knife. And will be, you know, under. And they don't know how long he will be incapacitated. If I'm Putin, I'm wondering if I'm going to be safe when they put me out. Or if they might accidentally turn that knob up a little bit.

GLENN: Oh, yes. This was something in the Cold War, that was at the forefront of senior level Russian official's minds, when they had to go under the knife, when they had to be put under. And they had security in those rooms. Not just because of an assassination or something along those lines by doctors. And the CIA payroll. Or arrival in the political or military space. But because coming out of that anesthesia. So when they're coming out of that, there's a certain time period within where you're not lucid. You know what that feels like. You're coming out of that. And, well, maybe a doctor on the CIA payroll can ask you a few questions at that point in time. And filter that back to the CIA. So that was something in the Cold War, that was at the forefront when any of those guys would have to go under the knife for a medical procedure. So I am sure that Putin is thinking about that. And of course, he knows his history betters than we do.

History in Russia. It's not infrequent, when we look at world history.

So I'm sure that he's thinking about that. And surrounding himself with people he thinks are trustworthy, to ensure that he's either not killed during that time frame, or is not asked questions during that time frame about his strategy vis-à-vis Ukraine, or the rest of the world, or his intent to use or not use nuclear weapons.

GLENN: Could you have any idea who would replace him. Let's say he ties on the table.

Do you have any idea?

JACK: I do not. There's always a military leader waiting in the wings, it seems. But who that is, I'm not sure.

And, you know, in these situations, or just when you're looking at authoritarian dictatorships. Orthopedic -- or countries. Like that. Senior level leaders oftentimes are not getting the best information.

Because it is not healthy to bring that bad news to -- to a dictator. Because oftentimes, it's off with your head. Or off to the gulag. It's a strange position to be in. Obviously, with our war in Iraq.

Where he actually did have a capability. That he did not.

And Putin is probably in that same position.

GLENN: Do you -- what do you make of their -- the story -- it came out, I think yesterday. Pictures of what they call the Flying Kremlin. It's a plane, that they haven't seen it in the air, I think since 2010 or 2011.

And it's been flying around Russia. And it is the -- the nuclear plane. Something needs to go on.

You know, air force one. That everything can be run from that plane, in case of a nuclear war.

Do you think that's just telling that --

JACK: Yeah. That seems interesting. I didn't see that story. But oftentimes, these things are done to send a message. And they might -- just to say, hey, we have this capabilities. And to get to us take or not take a certain -- a certain action. So for Putin to say, he's moving nuclear weapons into a certain position. Well, they're probably already there. Or this plane is flying around. If the Russian military. If their capabilities are what we've seen in Ukraine, thus far.

Then we overestimate it, as did a lot of those generals, probably because they didn't want to get their heads lopped off by saying, they weren't as capable as they've been projecting or advertising. But flying a plane like that is probably the same -- the same thing as, hey, we're moving nuclear weapons into a nuclear position. Just in case we need to use them. So that sends a message to the left, to discontinue support of Ukraine, or get us to take a certain action.

GLENN: So how serious do you think this nuke thing is?

I -- you know, we've all grown up, you know, without this fear of nukes. I grew up in the time. You might have too.

Where, you know, we feared what Russia might do. And then it went away. And now, our -- are we really that close to some sort of a nuclear explosion, on -- on earth?

JACK: I mean, the first question is, and I did grow up during the time as well. We thought it was the end of the Cold War. That our main threat now is the proliferation of some of these weapons, going to rotation states. Or super empowered individuals. Or terrorist organizations, or that sort of a thing. But now we're back with a state-on-state, nation-on-nation conflict.

GLENN: Do you think it's serious?

JACK: Well, first the question would have to be, do they have the capabilities?

And the answer to that question is yes. They have about 6,000 both tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. Strategic mean they're gigantic and fly towards us.

Tactical means, they use them on the battlefield, a lot smaller. But still huge, when comparing the two. Something like Hiroshima or Nagasaki, something like that.

But we have a lot less. Nuclear weapons, it doesn't really matter. You know, 1,000 here, 1,000 there.

But when we add all of NATO's nuclear weapons and Russia's, it's about the same. Give or take. It's just shy of 6,000, when we add all of the nuclear weapons to Russia's.

But in this case, it's interesting. If they did do something like that, we have this China. That side. So it makes it a lot harder for China to support Russia, if Russia uses even a tactical nuclear weapon on the battlefield.

So that's an interesting kind of connection here. Because China is right now, Russia's greatest ally. Militarily, trade-wise. And they have -- they have a lot of incentives to stay connected. And using a nuclear weapon would make it a lot more difficult.

GLENN: We're talking to Jack Carr, the fiction writer, the author of In The Blood, which is out right now.

Also one of his other books, The Terminal List is coming out soon, on Netflix.

As a -- as a series, with Chris Pratt. We'll continue our conversation here, in 60 seconds.

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GLENN: So I just want to war game one more thing with you.

And that is China. You know, I was just reading something. I can't remember where I read it this morning.

But some analysis that -- that the American dollar is going to lose its reserve currency status. You know, in the -- in the coming days, months, years. Whenever.

And China is making a move, to basically have a -- a multi--- or bipolar-powered world.

If we -- Japan looks like it's falling apart, economically.

We're not doing so great. Europe is not doing so great. There's a war going on. If this thing spirals out of control, what's to stop China from taking Taiwan, and then just gobbling the world?

JACK: Right. So they're obviously looking very closely at what was going to happen with Ukraine and Russia. That that didn't happen as fast as most of our strategic level thinkers, leaders, talking heads, anticipated, which was about three, four days. Russia is going to roll through Ukraine. And a lot of that is due to Zelinsky. And I'm still curious as to why Russia did not decapitate that government ahead of time. Take out the leader first. And I think it's because they thought, oh, this was just an actor, like Ronald Reagan, before -- as he first started into politics.

And they just -- they just counted how he could galvanize both his country, and the world, against Russia. So I think that was a strategic level mistake. And they should have anticipated that one.

And we thought the same thing. We offered him refuge. We said, we'll take you out of the country. The way that was asked. And the way that was talked about. It was so casual. It seems as though, we thought, oh, for sure, the leader of the country, will pick up and go. And Russia probably thought the same went thing.

But that did not happen. And now we have the situation we have now. It's actually a war of attrition. And we'll see how that -- how that ends up.

But China and currency, that is a major play here. And a major component of this. That no one is talking about. So I'm glad you are. And China can look at things obviously. They look in decades. They look in centuries. We look at things in a four-year election cycle. Maybe eight years for the real deep thinkers among us. But China can take a breath. And they can see what happened in Ukraine. They can take a breath on Taiwan. And they can -- and they can look at this long-term. And that is the advantages, that they have over us. They have their problems too. They have population problems. One-child policy and coming to fruition. They have lockdowns. Mandates.

A lot of issues to deal with as well, internally. But they can deal with those issues, and take a breath on the strategic front, because we're doing a pretty good job of destroying ourselves from the inside right now. So A little strategic patience on their part really plays into their hands.

GLENN: Talking to Jack Carr.

The author of In the Blood. And The Terminal List, which is coming out on Netflix soon.

I own the Paramount Studios here in Dallas. It was an old movie lot, back in the '80s. And I have some of -- I have an old ship, that was used in a mini-series back in the '80s. And it was Winds of War. You're really now in the best time to be a writer. Because now these movies can be made in episodes. And they don't bastardize the book usually.

JACK: Wow. That's amazing that you have. And I've been there in Chad Prather's show. And I've been there. It was amazing.

GLENN: Let me know next time you're here. I'll take you on a tour. And show you the school stuff that you have.

JACK: Thank you. You have a lot of amazing things there. And that's an incredible book. And if more people read that and willing to remember that, that was their gateway into non-fiction. Studying history. Hopefully a finals lesson going forward in wisdom, we would all be in a better place.

GLENN: Jack Carr, In the Blood is out right now. And coming soon, The Terminal List to Netflix. Please, Jack, let me know next time you're in town. I would love to take you on a quick tour.

God bless you.

‘Wearable technology’ is BEYOND DANGEROUS to YOUR free will

Wearable technology is not longer a prediction for our future. It’s HERE, and a recent clip Glenn plays from a presentation done by the World Economic Forum in Davos earlier this month proves that world elite already are planning how to use it. This kind of technology and artificial intelligence can monitor your BRAINWAVES, tracking your productivity and effectively diminishing YOUR free will. Glenn explains just how dangerous this new type of technology truly is…

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GLENN: All right. Let me tell you something that is going on in the stock market right now. The stock market Buzzfeed, Inc. is going through the roof right now.

There's a feeding frenzy, for their stock. People are -- are very excited. Because Buzzfeed has said, they're going to use open AI, ChatGPT, any of these things.

And they'll -- they'll start having computers, write stories. So you -- you -- poeple -- so think of the money.

Oh, isn't that great?

This is -- this is following Microsoft investing $10 billion in open AI, which is the major ChatGPT. And Buzzfeed has announced open AI is open for business at Buzzfeed. I will tell you, that every show that we do, everything that we do, is made by hand.

It is -- we will not sell out. I'm talking about the Glenn Beck Program. We will not sell out and have our shows written by machines.

We will -- we will do our own research, and -- and dig deep.

We -- I'm not a technophobe. I believe -- you know, Google has been a good thing in research.

It's been a good thing. So I have no problem using devices, but I will not replace people with machines. AI.

Now, that's going to put anybody who does that, it's going to put them in the exact opposite position, as Buzzfeed. You'll have a harder time making money because you refuse to lose our humanity.

But I will go a step further. I am not ready for what they are now calling a brain transparency. I want to play something to you, that is hopefully eye-opening. This is a clip -- and we have the full 30-minute seminar on this.

This is just the first clip, from the World Economic Forum. It -- there was a speech on technology. And it features a video, that we'll have in here. This video is like a little cartoon.

And it shows how technology can monitor your brain waves. And make you more productive at work.

This is shocking enough. But what is said after, is even more so.

Here's a clip, again, from the World Economic Forum.

Listen.

VOICE: First off a video. It's going to make you see the future. And understand a wonderful future, where we can use brain waves to fight crime. Be more productive. And find love.

GLENN: Wonderful.

VOICE: You're in the zone. Even you can't believe how productive you've been.

Your memo is finished.

Your inbox is under control. And you're feeling sharper than you have in a decade.

Sensing your joy, your playlist shifts to your favorite song. Sending chills up your spines, the music begins to play. You glance at the program, running in the background, on your computer screen.

And notice a now familiar site, that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure. Your theta brainwave activity, decreasing in the temporal regions of your brain.

You mentally move the cursor to the left.
And scroll through your brain data, over the past few hours.

You can see your stress levels rising, as the deadline to finish your memo approached.

Causing a peak in your beta brain wave activity. Right before an alert popped up. Telling you to take a brain break.

What's that unusual change in your brain activity. When you're asleep.

It started earlier in the month. You send a text message to your doctor, with the mental swipe of your cursor. Could you take a quick look of my brain data? Anything to worry about?

Your mind starts to warned to the new colleague on your team, whom you know you shouldn't be daydreaming about. Given the policy against intraoffice romance. But you can't help fantasizing just a little. But then you start to notice, your boss notices your amorous feelings, when she checks your brain activity and shift your attention back to the present.

You breathe a sigh of relief, when the email she sends you later that day, congratulates you on your brain metrics from the past quarter, which earned you another performance bonus.

You head home jamming to the music, with your HEP issue playing something earbuds still in.

When you arrive at work the next day, a somber cloud, has fallen over the office. Along with emails, text messages, and GPS location data. The government has subpoenaed employee's brain wave data, from the past year.

They have compelling evidence, that one of your coworkers has committed massive wire fraud. Now they're looking for his coconspirators. You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity. Between your coworker and the people he has been working with.

While you know you're innocent to any crime, you have been secretly working with him, on a new startup venture. Shaking, you remove your earbuds.

GLENN: Stop for a second, please. Stop.

How many feel comfortable with this? This -- remember, it was introduced as, you know, your future.

And showing you how exciting things can happen, in your future.

You'll be able to increase your productivity. We'll be able to fight crime.

You'll be able to find love. Who is comfortable with just this?

Now, let me just play the beginning of one of the eggheads at the World Economic Forum, talking about this.

Go ahead.
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GLENN: You have the rest?

VOICE: What do you think? Is it a future you're ready for?

You may be surprised to learn, that it's a future that has been already arrived. Everything in that video, that you just saw, is based on technology, that is already here today.

Artificial intelligence has enabled advances, in decoding brain activity, in ways that we never before thought possible. You've heard a lot about AI, over the past few years.

Here at Davos, it's been the talk of the hour. But I want to talk about it in a different way. Which is, the ability to decode brain wave activity. After all, what you think, what you feel, it's all just data.

Data that in large patterns can be decoded using artificial intelligence. Consider this, the average person thinks thousands of thoughts each day. As a thought takes form, like a math calculation. You're happy. You're tired. You're hungry.

You're elated. Neurons are firing in your brain. Emitting tiny electrical discharges. As a particular thought takes form. Hundreds of thousands of neurons fire in characteristic patterns, that can be decoded with HEP electro and AI-powered devices.

In fact, what you're seeing here is my brain activity, while I'm wearing a simple device, like the one on the right.

We're not talking about implanted devices of the future. I'm talking about wearable devices that are like Fitbits for your brain.

It used to be that there was very little we could do tell from EEG activity. But already, using consumer wearable devices, these are our headbands. Or hats that have sensors that can pick up your brain wave activity, Earbuds, headphones. Tiny tattoos that you can wear between your ear. We can pick up emotional states, like are you happy or sad or angry?
We can pick up and decode faces that you're seeing in your mind. Simple shapes, numbers, your pin number to your bank account.

It's not just your brain activity here, that we can pick up. We can also pick up your brain activity in different places.

Like as your neurons fire from your brain down your arm. And send signals to your hand to tell you how to type, move. All of that could be decoded through electromyography.

That's what you're seeing here, a device now, in the form of simple wearable watch, that can pick up that activity. And one of the pivotal acquisitions of the field. Meta acquired this company, control labs in 2019, because major tech companies are investing and helping to make these devices universally applicable in the way in which we interact with the rest of our technology. In fact, the coming future.

GLENN: Okay. Stop.

We are -- we are there, gang. Everything, Stu. You remember -- you remember the -- the crazy days back in the '90s.

When I would talk about this stuff. And it was really, truly science fiction. It was science fiction. It was a prediction from people like Ray Kurzweil, of where we were headed in the very near future. And when you said very near future, it seemed like it was a long way away. You know, it was 2020, 2030, this would begin to happen.

And I've been -- I've been telling you, since 2016, I -- I started to get very, very specific.

That our jobs are going to be in danger. Our jobs are going to be in danger, because things like AI will be able to take jobs away from people.

This is why when I've ever spoken of universal basic income, I have not dismissed it out of hand as un-American.

Universal basic income, as it's been debated, has -- is wrong.

And I do not think it's an answer for anything. I think it will only cause more problems. However, what I have said is, we have to discuss something. Because what's going to happen is these tech companies, like Microsoft, Google, and others, they will start to create things that take the jobs.

You won't be able to have a job. And, you know, if you think that creative jobs. Well, I have a creative job.

We will take your creative job. It can already write and perform vocally and with instruments, any style of music, and you have no idea you're listening to an algorithm.

No idea. Humans are not involved. Try ChatGPT. Ask it anything.

And you can't tell that you're not in an interaction really, with a machine.

It is so far beyond a Google search. These things are going to impact everything. For instance, Microsoft is now working on releasing -- and I guess it's an app. Or a system.

That you say, I want to develop a website. And you tell the AI. Andly it develop it for you.

Already, images can be produced using AI.

You describe what you want to see, and it might in ten seconds, come up with hundred different images.

That could be photo realistic. And 80 of them, might suck.

Ten of them might be eh. But five of them might be really good. This is only going to get better and better and better and better.

So now, what do we do?

Are you comfortable with your brain waves being taken?

Remember, they just told you, that they can get your pin code. Your pin code.

For him it's not a bunch of useless data. They can get down into everything.

Now, if you think that -- if you think this is, you know, something on the horizon, that's not going to happen. You're sadly mistaken.

Because it is already being put to use, in factories. And I'll explain that to you, come up in 60 seconds.
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GLENN: Okay. If you remember, and I don't know how many people do. There was a story out of China, where factories are starting to force their workers to wear hats.

And these hats have this wearable technology in it, that this woman was just speaking about.

Now, this story came out two, maybe three years ago. And it monitors the brain waves. And they can see who is paying attention. And who is not.

It also can give them like a little electric shot, if they happen to not be paying attention.

And it's a little freaky. Because the corporations know everything about these people.

And remember, the corporations are in a public/private partnership with the government.

When she says to this group, at Davos, are you ready for -- you know, wearable technology? To scan brain waves?

The crowd is kind of mixed. You know, you hear kind of, no, not really.

But she's talking to the elites. They're not going to be the ones in the office. They're going to be the ones monitoring everybody's brain waves.

This is why this is so dangerous, to be discussed only with the elites.

They are deciding right now, what kind of technology they will be using to keep us in line. And to keep us productive.

And you're going to have a hard time getting a job, if you don't want this technology.

These are the things that are right here, right now.

Glenn tells the TRUTH about how BAD our economy REALLY is

The U.S. economy is struggling, and signs show the strength of the U.S. dollar is only getting worse. In this clip, Glenn explains why — thanks to Saudi Arabia — the petrodollar is in HUGE danger. And, if the petrodollar disintegrates, so will the U.S. economy. But you won’t hear this anywhere in the mainstream media, Glenn says. So, he gives you the FACTS about how dire our economic and monetary situations truly are: ‘No one is telling you the truth. No one will tell you how bad things are.’

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GLENN: I want to share something with you that comes from Branden Smith.

I think this is probably the most accurate on what is coming. I told you -- I've been telling you this for a long time. But I told you a couple of weeks ago, that you were going to start to see Saudi Arabia with the World Economic Forum, get off of the US dollar.

I have said, since 2008, show me a path where the dollar doesn't collapse. And I've been giving two answers every time from all the experts.

Glenn, the US dollar is the only way for think about in any country, to buy oil. It's called the petrodollar.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. But what happens if the petrodollar -- it's never going to go away.

Okay. Saudi Arabia is our good friend.

They know what getting off the petrodollar would do to their very friend, and protector, of the United States.

So it's not going to happen.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

And, you know, another thing, Glenn, that you don't understand, is that there's just too much out there to lose.

And these banks, and these countries, they're not just going to let the dollar collapse.

They'll lose too much.

So stop worrying your cute little head about the dollar.

Okay. All right. Well, that's what you will hear from all of the experts.

That is either head in the sand ignorance, or a blatant lie.

The thing that has kept our dollar in place, is the petro status. It means that Saudi Arabia will only trade in -- and OPEC will only trade in US dollars. So if you have a wan or a ruble or a yak, you have to buy a dollar that you can send them to OPEC. Okay?

That's why all the countries keep the US dollar on hand. They need it to buy fuel.

Well, guess what just happened at the World Economic Forum.

Something that will never, ever happen. The Saudis have now said, yeah. We'll pretty much take anything. They're not that picky. Yeah. You can buy it with other things. Sure, go ahead. Let's give that a whirl.

Well, Glenn, that will never -- it just did.

It just did.

Well, I mean, the -- the rich and the powerful, I mean, they have too much to lose, and they'll never just allow the dollar to -- hmm. Unless the rich and powerful are part of something like a great reset. Unless the rich and powerful are the ones that know what's coming, because they're the ones that screwed it up, they're the ones that have been funneling money to themselves, from our Treasuries and from our printing presses. While they're screwing the little guy. They seem to get richer. Why is that? How come the banks have received trillions of dollars, but the little people didn't even know that was happening?

It's almost as if, these people were robbing our Treasuries. Looting our countries. Knowing that it's going to collapse, and they're positioning themselves to be ready, when it collapses into the system they are building.

The only ones who don't know is you. Well, it's a conspiracy theory. Is it? Is it?

You can play that as much as you want. I'm telling you, these are the robbers. These are the guys that have been hiding in the hills.

These are the ones that are stealing you blind.
It's the golden goose. It will never -- uh-huh. Uh-huh.

They will cut the head off the golden goose. And when they actually start to get out of dollars. These countries are already selling their dollars. But it hasn't really started yet. As they start to get rid of those dollars. What happens to those dollars? They're no longer in somebody's vault. They're now pouring in all over the country. Which makes our inflation even higher.

You'll have to have a way out. I mean. Hey, what a coincidence.

We have the central bank digital currencies being approved right now.

All over the western world.

The IMF has been working on a basket of currencies for a while now.

Just in case the US dollar would ever collapse. Oh. Good thing they've done that just recently, when one of them must have figured out that, oh, all the things they've been telling us is not true.

So somebody at 2 o'clock yesterday was like, hey. I know it's Sunday, but I just figured something out.

We should do something.

Yeah. They've been planning this for a long, long, long time.

Okay. I want you to listen to Brandon Smith. 2017, he said, I published an article, the Saudi coup signals war, and the New World War reset. I noted at the time that the sudden power shift over to the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, indicated a change in Saudi Arabia's relationship to the US. To understand how drastic this coup has been. Consider this: For decades, Saudi kings maintained political balance by doing -- by doling out vital power positions to separate, carefully chosen successors.

Positions such as the Defense Minister, the Interior Minister, the head of the National Guard.

But today, Mohammed bin Salman controls all three positions. Foreign policy, defense matters, oil and economic decisions, and social changes are all in the hands of one man.

So who backed this? Well, it was backed by the public investment fund. A fund comprised of trillions of dollars.

Where did that come? From globalists. Goldman Sachs, Blackstone, BlackRock, the head of the Saudis now fell into favor with the globalists for one reason. He openly supports vision for 2030. What is the vision for 2030?

Oh. The vision for 2030.

That's the World Economic Forum.

That's the UN.

That's The Great Reset.

We're going to get all of these carbon fuels.

These fossil fuels.

And we're going to have carbon controls.

Wait. Glenn, that is the -- that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It's Saudi Arabia. Why would they ever do that?

Because the Saudis have been given assets to ESG-like funding. As well as access to AI advancements. The so-called digital economy.

Hmm. So the Saudi elites are willing to dump the dollar and even oil for access to a reimagined economy. A reimagined world. Fantastic.

Fantastic.

Here's the thing: Saudi Arabia has jumped on this bandwagon. China has bumped -- has jumped on this bandwagon.

When this really starts to kick in, our economy -- well, let me just put it this way. We outsource our inflation. Okay?

Because everybody else is running on dollars, that they have to buy from us.

Their inflation goes up. Because of what we do. So I think I told you this in 2009, the rest of the world is going to hate America. If this ever comes really out. And everybody really knows. There's a couple of heads on the chopping block.

One, America, that's just over. Because we've destroyed -- our choices, to just spend and spend and spend. Our choices are going to be used against us, by foreign leaders who can't keep their people in control and need a villain. And it will be the United States.

Then on top of that, you have the World Economic Forum. The World Economic Forum, which has orchestrated a lot of this. The Federal Reserve.

What happens when the Federal Reserve raises interest rates? Because they have to suck all that money back in.

And yet, we don't stop spending. Hmm.

That's going to be a problem. Don't you think?

And we're going to have to start spending.

Because things like Social Security. It's on the brink of collapse.

When is somebody going to stand up? A politician? A real leader?

I mean, I'm going to be 59 in a couple of weeks. Fifty-nine. I can't believe it. I don't know what happened. But all of a sudden, I'm 59 years old. I've known my whole life, I'm not getting Social Security. If I get Social Security, it's going to be worthless. It's going to be worthless. I've known this my whole life.

Okay. Why is it short?

Because at one point, we had enough people working that could pay for the older people. Okay?

We used to have a bunch of young people working, and they all contributed to the Social Security. I think it was 16:1.

So people working, and they -- their portion of their Social Security, would go to the one.

It's now two and a half to one. How are you going to keep that up? Especially when people start losing their jobs. How are you going to do that?

The -- the most logical thing to do right now: Is to begin telling everyone, when you hit 65, you've got to keep working. Unless there is, you know -- if you're 65 and you're getting it, you're 65 and you're getting it.

But you've got to keep working. And if you're 60, you get half. Now, this is going to be a real problem. Because I paid Social Security my whole life. Why don't I get it? Because it doesn't work. I fought against it, but we could never get it changed. Okay.

So for the next 15 years, 20 years, whatever it is, but it has to change. And people who are 59, need to understand, you've got to work until 72.

I don't want to work until I'm 72, but I'll work into I'll 72 or 75. Social Security was designed at a time when the average guy, who was the main worker, died at 62.

It was rare that you made it to 65. So maybe, if you want to go back to that, maybe you're working until you're 80 now.

But nobody will touch that, because no one is telling you the truth. No one will tell you how bad things are. But you know how bad things are.

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GLENN: Okay. So there's a new poll out, this is a story in TheBlaze today. Poll measured how many millennials are getting their bills paid by their parents. One-fourth of millennials get their parents to either pay their rent or help pay their rent.

Another one, is 19 percent -- 19 percent of all adults say their parents pay their rent in another poll. Another 19 percent of adults say their parents pay for their groceries. 16 percent say their parents pay for utilities. 39 percent of millennials struggle to find information and other resources to help with their finances.

Now, 69 percent of respondents in the northeast say they earn money by helping their neighbors, only 43 percent say the same in the southeast.

I'm wondering if that's because people just help their neighbors. 85 percent of respondents see themselves as financially responsible when it comes to things like credit scores and savings. But 50 percent of them struggle with unnecessary spending and unbudgeted expenses. Forty percent struggled to remember to pay the bills on time, to remember to pay the bills on time.

Not -- do you struggle to pay your bills on time? Do you struggle to remember to pay your -- when I -- I remember when I was, you know, the age of a millennial, that was the scariest time of the month. I remembered.

It was constantly there in the back of mine. Oh, my gosh. How am I going to make it? How am I going to make it? How am I going to make it? I didn't struggle to remember it. But there's also something else that is coming. So we have Social Security. It's collapsing. Nobody is going to do anything about that.

Because it's always framed as freak out, freak out. We're all going to die. We're killing grandma. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It's not going to happen. Americans care. We have -- we have -- I believe stopped caring as much because the government has just I think destroyed so much of our responsibility, that we just think, well, somebody is going to take care of it. No, we're supposed to take care of our elderly. We're supposed to be taking care of the widow. We're supposed to be doing these things. So Social Security is collapsing. Then you find that millennials are not finding jobs.

Then the last piece: The perfect storm. More Americans cannot afford their car payments today, than during the peak of the financial crisis of '08. Now, what's happening with that?

Does Pfizer employee’s MELTDOWN hint at HUGE pharma secrets?

When Jordan Trishton Walker, an alleged director with Pfizer, realized he’d been caught in a honeytrap by Project Veritas, he went into FULL MELTDOWN mode. Glenn plays the Project Veritas video in this clip, arguing that 1) This man — no matter what his position with Pfizer may be — should immediately be fired and 2) Though we don’t know if the information he provided is correct, it’s likely Pfizer IS conducting gain of function research to further vaccine development. And that MUST be stopped.

Transcript

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GLENN: All right. So let me take you back a few days ago.

Pfizer is caught honestly in a honey pot trap. Somebody from Project Veritas. You know, gets on the radar of this guy who is -- his name is Jordan Walker. He's not a nobody. This is -- this -- let me give you his title. He is the Pfizer director of research and development.

Okay. The director of research and development.

He is strategic operations. And mRNA scientific planning. So he's the top of the food chain on this.

And he's out on a date. And he's talking to this guy.

Now, the guy is not like, oh, really?

That is so cool.

You can hear him say, but is that a good idea?

All right. Listen to how flippantly he talks about this, and what he is saying. This is -- and this is only 40 seconds out of ten minutes, that need to be heard.

Okay. Listen.

VOICE: The story will not -- you know the virus keeps mutating?

VOICE: Yeah.

VOICE: Well, one of the things of your story, why don't we just mutate ourselves, so we can focus on developing new vaccines. Right?

So if we're going to do that though, there's a risk of like -- as you can imagine, no one wants to be having a Pharma company.

VOICE: Yeah.

VOICE: Do we want to do this?

That's one of the things we're considering in the future.

Like maybe -- groceries in the backseat. Things like that.

VOICE: Okay. So Pfizer is ultimately thinking about mutating COVID.

VOICE: Well, that not only saying to the public, no.

I mean, that's -- there's a thought that came up in a meeting, and we're like, why don't we not -- it's like, we're going to consider that. More discussions. And exactly, actually. We're like, wait a minute. People are like that.

GLENN: So he's not saying they are doing it. He said, they're considering it. It's one of the options.

Okay. I believe that, 100 percent. If we, again, are in a meeting, and all options are on the table. What do we do to fight this?

Somebody would say that. Why don't we get ahead of it. But he's like, yeah. Why don't we?

We still have to talk about it. No, no, no.

We don't mutate viruses to be able to come up with a vaccine that will fight that virus.

That's a really bad idea.

Stop it.

He goes on to talk about monkey testing. And how it's done with monkeys. And how all of this.

Now, this comes out. And Project Veritas. James O'Keefe confronts him like -- I don't know. In a Starbucks or someplace.

He's at a restaurant. James O'Keefe sits down. And starts to ask him questions.

What you're interest to see, is the director of research at one of the most powerful pharmaceutical companies, out there. Freaking out.

Really freaking out. Go ahead, roll it.
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VOICE: Is this seat taken?

VOICE: You work for Pfizer. My question to you is why does Pfizer want to hide from the public, the fact that they're mutating the COVID and (inaudible) viruses.

VOICE: I'm literally a liar.

VOICE: I was trying to impress a person on a date, by lying. This is absurd.

VOICE: Please, don't touch me.

VOICE: Well, this is not --

VOICE: Don't tell anybody.

VOICE: Literally he's just working and trying to --

GLENN: Stop here.

Why are you doing this?

You're just talking to a man who is literally just trying to save lives.

Okay. No. You might be trying to save lives. Mengele was trying to save lives.

STU: I don't know Mengele was trying to save lives.

GLENN: I understand that. I'm using an extreme to make the point.

STU: Right.

GLENN: There are lines that you don't want to cross. Mengele crossed a thousand-plus. Okay?

Is Pfizer crossing a pretty big line, in saying, well, you know, maybe we should mutate it?

Now, if you're also a responsible human being and you knew how much trust you had lost, and you're a director of Pfizer, you're not out on a date, lying about mutating viruses.

That shows, you have absolutely no idea how your company is being perceived. Real or not. And you are just playing into everything that people are already starting to say about you.

You should be fired just for that.

STU: I think that's true. I mean, he should definitely be fired. Even if his answer is completely true.

I mean, certainly, this is going to surprise many women in the audience. But occasionally men do lie on dates, when they're trying to sleep with the person that they're sitting across from. So it's not entirely -- what this is valuable for is it gives us a thread to pull out. Right? What is really going on?

And this gives us a direction. Which, by the way, with a Republican House, that has investigatory -- investigatory power. Which is important, right?

So this is a way you can -- you can -- something you can look for, here. It's possible, he's lying.

Maybe he was. It's a weird way, to try to sweet talk a date.

Hey, we might start another pandemic. I don't know.

GLENN: And you heard the date was not like, oh, tell me more.

STU: One thing I will tell you more about this.

GLENN: So hot with the monkey talk.

STU: With Project Veritas. As far as I know, eventually release the entire thing.

And I think there's a possibility here, in another part of the video, he's sounding super skeptical or giving some indication, that would lead you to believe maybe his excuses a little bit more valid. Like, he's trying to show that side of him. Perhaps. But that does not --

GLENN: Please make note how this show always --

STU: I'm trying.

GLENN: Gives the benefit of the doubt.

STU: I want to understand.

GLENN: All times.

STU: And look, I think your main point there is true.

Would you -- if you were Pfizer, want this guy working for you, even if what he is saying, is true?

I was just lying on a date, to sleep with some dude?

GLENN: Again, not just some guy. All right?

This is the director of research. All right.

STU: Yeah. It's bad.

GLENN: So now he starts to go a little ballistic. You're going to see someone absolutely lose their mind. And you tell me, if this is reasonable behavior from an officer in Pfizer. Watch.

VOICE: (bleep) off. You really did --

GLENN: He said, I'm feeling very safe.

And he's asking you to lock the doors. He grabs the -- he's down on his hands and knees. And he's trying to destroy this i Pad.

Look at him.

VOICE: I lock the door.

STU: Whoa. Who pushed him at the end there?

GLENN: I don't know. It was obviously some --

STU: It was a big altercation.

GLENN: He was trying to grab stuff, trying to destroy things. I mean, I don't know this. But your i Pad usually does not have all of the information alone.

STU: It's called the cloud.

GLENN: It's called the cloud.

But that guy was out of control.

STU: That -- you know, there's probably legal questions about what he did, in that -- in that video there.

I mean, certainly, taking someone else's property and smashing it. Is a legal issue, above and beyond whether you'll get fired or not.

GLENN: So now, his statement is, I'm not even a scientist. Why would anyone take me seriously?

I don't know if you've checked your card, director of research.

STU: Now, there is some skepticism on that claim.

Now, Project Veritas tried to release some documents, that indicate it's true. Some people who are super skeptical on Pfizer and the vaccine are pointing out, there's a lot of inconsistencies in this guy's bio.

And the question is whether it was actually true, that he was that high of a level there.

I don't know the answer to that. I don't know it's been determined yet.

GLENN: That he should be cleaning out his desk yesterday.

STU: A degree in neurology, I believe. Which is, again, not necessarily the person you would think, would be the director of COVID vaccine research.

It doesn't completely add up. But these are just -- again, what's valuable about this, is just like, what thread are we pulling at?

What roads are we going down? If Pfizer is doing this.

The bigger problem maybe, is that this is not illegal. Remember, the ban on gain-of-function research. Was a ban by the Obama administration, that stopped public funding for gain-of-function research.

Didn't ban it. Didn't make it illegal. Trump lifted the ban on funding, and then put it back in after COVID happened.

But that funding ban is different than saying Pfizer just can't do it. They could just do this.

Now, we don't know that they're doing it. We don't know -- he kind of says, this might happen in the future.

But this is a bigger problem. We need to stop companies from even doing this.

GLENN: And if anyone thinks that's not happening.

You're -- you're living in a dream world.

STU: Well, it's legal.

We know it's happening. That's a huge problem.

GLENN: I know that. But they denied it with EcoHealth and everything else. And EcoHealth, we now know our government was paying for research that EcoHealth was doing in Wuhan, which was the gain-of-function research.

We know it now. We know it. There's proof positive of it. Everything we said, is true.

Now, we had the documents. But nobody paid attention to it, a year or year and a half ago, whenever we did that special on COVID.

We had the documents on EcoHealth. Our government is funding it. And we know it.

And we also know that more money has gone to EcoHealth, since COVID came out, from Fauci.

So it's going on. This has got to stop. It's got to stop.

We -- we are going to wipe humanity out.

I -- I swear to you, I feel like, you know the Seed Vault up in, what? Norway, Sweden, or up at the top of the world. I feel like we should just freeze some humans and put them in the seed vault. Because of all the things that we're doing, man. It's not good.

STU: Okay. Can I pick the humans?

GLENN: Can I be in? Just freeze me, please?

Attorney: THIS is what’s DEEPLY wrong with new ATF gun rule

A new ATF ruling may turn as many as 40 MILLION Americans into felons. The rule, which concerns firearm pistol braces, doesn’t leave law-abiding gun owners with many options to obey: Either destroy the firearm, turn it in, or apply for a tax stamp that likely would take years to receive — within the next 120 days. Stephen Stamboulieh, Attorney for Gun Owners of America, joins Glenn to explain exactly what’s going on at the ATF, how YOU might avoid felony charges if affected, and specifically what it is about this new ruling makes him ‘wholly uncomfortable.’

Transcript

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GLENN: We have Stephen Stamboulieh, on the phone with us. Stephen, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?

STEPHEN: I'm doing well. It's an honor to talk to you, Glenn, and even Stu.

STU: Wow. Wow.

GLENN: And even Stu.

STU: Don't lower yourself, Stephen. It's terrible.

GLENN: I've lost so much respect for you already. Hey, I watched your YouTube show, I think it was from the shot show last week.

STEPHEN: Yes.

GLENN: And I am trying to even understand what is going on, with the pistol brace rule. Because this could make 40 million Americans felons.

STEPHEN: Right.

GLENN: Has -- has this -- is this -- is this in effect now, as the clock started to tick. Where are we on this?

STEPHEN: Okay. So on Friday the 13th, they put out this final rule. But did not publish it in the Federal Register. I got back late Friday night.

I have not even checked the Federal Register, to see if it's, quote, published in the Federal Register.

But publishing it in the Federal Register, starts the clock ticking for you to do the things you need to do, to either remain compliant with the law.
Or their new law, that they just created.

Because, well, they hate all of us. Or, you know, turn in your rifle. Your pistol, whatever.

Or just ignore it, and become a felon. And go spend some time.

GLENN: Jeez.

Okay. So it could have started? We don't know yet. We can find out.

Can you see -- how do you check the Federal Register? I don't even -- how do you do that? Can the average person do that?

STEPHEN: Yeah. And that's exactly what they say. Is the average person has -- their -- their -- I can't even remember the exact language. But once it's published in the Federal Register, everyone is just deemed to be on notice, that it's been published on the Federal Register. And have knowledge of what's in the Federal Register. Even though most people don't have this masochistic streak, where they want to punish themselves by reading thousands of pages of bureaucratic regulations.

GLENN: Correct.

STU: I'm just about -- I'm on the page to search for it.

And there's 908,512 documents, which surely, I know everything that is in those documents.

GLENN: Well, you would if you were responsible and you check it every morning, like I do.

So what do you search for in this? Do you just search for, you know, bad guns?

STU: Evil gun.

GLENN: The -- the stabilizing braces?

STEPHEN: Stabilizing braces, correct.

GLENN: Okay. Look for stabilizing braces. Okay.

So once this has been published, we have 120 days to either get rid of the gun. Let me actually read this to you. This was the way it was pushed today.

Let's see, that you can get rid of the brace. Destroy -- get the tax stamp. Which is impossible. And you can explain that later. At least in time to comply.

Or destroy the pistol brace. Or you can -- or you can turn your if one into the ATF. I don't even know where the ATF is. Or you can go to prison.

So can we destroy the pistol brace?

STEPHEN: So they say that you can destroy the pistol brace. And the ATF has various methods of how you're supposed to destroy it. I mean, the easiest thing would be to crush it up. Throw it away, right?

But, yeah. That is one of your options. You can absolutely destroy your firearm, if you're so inclined to do. And you can 100 percent turn in your firearms to the ATF. I'm sure they would appreciate free guns.

GLENN: Oh, free guns. Last thing.

STEPHEN: Right. Well, for them. Right. The other thing they tell us to do, is since they're so kind. And so gracious. They're going to allow us this one time opportunity to get a free tax stamp. And, Glenn, you spoke about how hard it was to get a tax stamp. You know, you're looking at over -- over a year wait.

I mean, it's like a year wait right now. Before they want to add --

GLENN: 40 million. Right.

STEPHEN: Right. And if you take the ATF number, it's 3 million. If you take congressional research services, you know, bipartisan. They say up to 40 million.

Let's go with 40 million, right? Or anywhere in between, it doesn't matter. They're going to over -- just completely inundate the system with people trying to comply, right?

Because most citizens want to comply with the law, so they don't get their door kicked in. Their dog shot. And their gun seized. So, yeah. It's not going to happen within a year. I mean, maybe two years.

GLENN: Maybe. And you are a felon, if you have it, in those two years. Correct?

Even if they apply.

STEPHEN: So the way they say this. And this is what gives me so much heartburn over this. They're saying, we were wrong when we told you over and over and over again, that a braced pistol is not a short-barreled rifle.

It's always been a short-barreled rifle. We just said the wrong thing. And it's our bad, sorry.

So you're a felon if you have it now. But since we're such nice people. If you go through the process of registering it, right?

So you go and you do your E form one, or your paper form. Whatever. And you submit this to the ETF, along with your photographs and your fingerprints. Your address. And a picture of a firearm.

We will deem you to be in compliance, even though you have a short-barreled rifle. Because you've said it's a short barreled rifle.

Because they said it's a short-barreled rifle, and you don't have a tax stamp for it.

You are for saying in violation of the law.

But they're going to use their enforcement discretion to not come after you, assuming you do the things they tell you to do.

GLENN: Well, the ATF has also warned, reading from the article.

Americans with Pistol Braces are likely already violating the National Firearms Act by possessing an unregistered rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches.

To they're -- they're already saying, yeah. Even if you're doing all this, you're probably already a felon. This is madness.

STEPHEN: You're already committing the crime. You've committed the crime, by having, with their new definition, a brace pistol that fits into one of their multiple subjective criteria. You are committing the felony now.

And that's why they use enforcement discretion. Because you only use enforcement discretion, if you're violating the law. There's no need to use enforcement discretion, if you're not in violation of any law.

Because there's nothing to enforce.

GLENN: So let me -- so what do we do?

Because I don't think -- I mean, this can't pass a test in the courts.

I mean, it would maybe in California or New York.

But it's not going to -- even the ninth circuit, would probably even overturn this. Do we have time -- what do you do? Do you just sit here and wait it out?

STEPHEN: You know, that's a good question. What do you do? I'm wholly uncomfortable admitting to the ATF, that I have committed a felony, even though they said, they're not going to prosecute me. And their enforcement discretion. Because that changes. You've seen from almost everything the ATF does. They constantly change their minds. Along at the bump stocks. Look at the 80 percent lowers. Now look at the pistol brace. They have a demonstrable history of being wrong, and changing their mind on everything. So what's to stop them from changing their mind on enforcement discretion or saying, well, Mr. Beck, you just didn't do it good enough, and now we're going to prosecute you.

So, I mean, to answer your question, what did you do?

I mean, there's going to be some organization that will be suing them on this. Pretty soon.

GLENN: Okay. I can't imagine what that organization would be. But...

Okay.

STEPHEN: Right. Right. It's a secret to everybody.

GLENN: Yeah. It wouldn't be the gun owners of America, I'll tell you that right now.

Okay. So some organization is going to be suing them.

And how is that -- how long is that going to take?

STEPHEN: Well, it depends on -- on -- on -- oh, gosh.

So many different things.

You know, we would -- the organization would absolutely seek a temporary restraining order in a preliminary injunction throughout the litigation. Right?

So if that organization could get the rule held in, you know, abeyance law.

The court is deciding whether or not, the ATF can willy-nilly change its mind on everything.

Within 120 days, we would expect to have some kind of answer.

And 120 days is plenty enough time for the court to decide, whether or not to hold -- hold a rule, and, you know, just enjoying it, pending litigation.

I mean, it's plenty of time for them to do that.

STEPHEN: And it gives them 120 days. And it gives you lots of opportunity, in case they go against you. Can you give -- like, for instance, I live in two different counties. And I love my sheriffs.

And, you know, until this thing is worked out. Can I just go to my sheriff and say, here take this.

You can use this.

If it turns out to be a felony to own it, you guys take it. And you guys use it.

But I -- I don't want to possess it.

Because I am -- I would be the perfect target. You know what I mean?

They're not going to throw 40 million people in prison. But they will throw maybe a couple of hundred.

And that will teach everyone else. You can do this to them. We're coming for you.

STEPHEN: Right. You can absolutely turn it into your sheriff for, quote, safekeeping. While you're paying attention to what we're doing in the courts, to see if we're successful in the courts. I don't know why we wouldn't be.

I mean, this is just so --

GLENN: Obvious.

STEPHEN: It's like the definition of arbitrary and capricious. If you open up a dictionary, it would have a picture of the ATF right there.

GLENN: Yeah. But you would also have -- if this passes, then they can say, all semiautomatics.

I mean, Joe Biden is already saying, semiautomatic handguns are a problem. There's no use for them. That's every gun sold, unless you're buying an old western gun.

STEPHEN: Right. And that's funny that you say that. It just jogged my memory. I think it was the Sixth Circuit GOA bump stock case, the senior deputy counsel for DOJ could not answer whether or not all semiautomatic firearms were machine guns. Like all AR-15s.

GLENN: Right. Right.

STEPHEN: When the court asked him, h's like, I'm not prepared to answer them. And I thought, well, by God, that's a really easy question. No. The answer is no.

GLENN: Right. Right. But if you don't answer it now, you can answer it when you do it in a rule.

I mean, is this the first time that you've seen something that hasn't had a grandfather clause in it?

STEPHEN: No. Because look at bump stocks, right? After Trump directed the DOJ and the ATF to basically strike bump stocks with a pen. You know, all of them, turn them in. Mr. and Mrs. America. You're now felons.

And you've always -- this bump stock. Even though we said, prior to this, it was legal. One hundred percent legal, not a machine gun.

I know this is a common theme with the ATF.

We were wrong. And they are actually machine guns, and we are going to use our enforcement discretion, not to come after you.

However, you can't register them, because 18 USC 9220 does not allow you to have new machine guns, just prior to 1986 machine guns.

GLENN: Okay. So --

STEPHEN: You can still own a machine gun.

GLENN: Does the fact that that wasn't challenged, or did it lose --

STU: Can we say the fact that Republicans have rolled over as Trump did this and said nothing about it.

GLENN: Right. Does that hurt us on this now?

STU: Now there's more precedent for it.

GLENN: Well, what's great about the bump stock stuff, is in the Sixth Circuit, GOA 1 at the panel.

At like the three-judge panel stage, and basically, the court really just called out the ATF. And said, you can't do this. And then when -- basically, the full court. They evenly split, and an even split say bad thing. If you lose in the trial court.

Because what it does, is it affirms the trial court ruling, because the -- the court couldn't free on how it was. However, a Fifth Circuit came in for the win a couple weeks ago in the cargo case.

And basically, involved 13-3, told the ATF, bump stocks are not machine guns.

So, you know -- you know, your move to ATF.

So the circuits are split on that because all of the different circuits can't agree. And what does that do?

It sets you up for the perfect Supreme Court case.

Because you can't have Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana, apply one federal law one way, and then the other states applying it a different way.

So the Supreme Court is going to have to step in and resolve that circuit split. Because that's a pretty big deal.

STU: Of course, all these companies that are making these things are now out of business. Right?

You know, three years down the line.

Yeah. It's like -- this is the process, which is the punishment half the time.

GLENN: So we've been talking about Stephen Stamboulieh. And he's with the Gun Owners of America.

You can follow all of the information at gunowners.org. Gunowners.org. Or you can follow Stephen on his Twitter handle @Stambo2A. I like -- Stambo2A.

Stephen, thank you so much, I appreciate it. We'll talk to you again.

STEPHEN: Yes, sir. Take care.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.